Kawhi Leonard Vs. Chris Singleton Vs. Tristan Thompson Vs. Markieff Morris
The Wizards need to emphasize defense at the 2011 NBA Draft, because they have always been bad on defense, according to Jason Reid. That's pretty much his whole point, and there isn't very much that is actually done to advance it any further, though I guess you could argue that the very fact a point so elementary needs to be made indicates the Wizards need to emphasize defense. Thankfully, we have the capacity to actually apply Reid's overarching point to the specifics of the 2011 NBA Draft. (I guess Reid had the capacity to do the same, but instead chose to compare the Wizards to the two teams in the Eastern Conference Finals, neither of which are in the Wizards' zip code. But that's neither here nor there).
When Reid says the Wizards need to emphasize defense, to me, it's like saying the Wizards need to choose between four different guys. We're going to assume for a second that Enes Kanter isn't going to be around at No. 6 and that the Wizards won't orchestrate a trade to get him. We're also going to rule out Jan Vesely, because one-on-one defense is his biggest weakness, and Jonas Valanciunas, because he's such an unknown either way at age 19 having just recently grown into his frame. I'm also not going to talk about Bismack Biyombo, though he might be a better option than anyone, mostly because he can't be compared to these four. Finally, we're going to ignore Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker because they are point guards.
That leaves us with four men: Kawhi Leonard, Chris Singleton, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris. All four show some very good indicators that they could be defensive forces in the NBA in however limited a capacity. All are combo forwards, though Thompson's more of a true 4. A look at each below the jump:
First thing's first, let's establish what we're looking for. This is just me, but when I think about forward prospects that can help a team's defense, here are some things I weigh (stats via Draft Express and KenPom)
- Two-point shooting percentage. This is a big one, because it determines whether you're a complete self-check on offense. While defense is very important, it's not completely a functional skill if you are a complete zero on offense. You need to be able to cut and hit layups, and/or you need to show me some capability to hit a mid-range jumper. A decent two-point percentage for me shows you can do one or the other. Any figure under 50% is a big red flag for me.
- Wingspan/Reach: Height is unimportant, because you don't play basketball from the top of your head to your shoes. You have arms, and you use them to alter shots, block shots, deflect passes and play sound post defense. So if you are short, it can be forgiven if you have a good wingspan.
- TS%: Goes along with two-point shooting percentage. It gives you an idea of whether the players' offensive game is refined or whether it still needs room to grow. Very much tied into usage.
- Defensive Rebound Rate: Moreso than offensive rebound rate, because we're talking about defense here.
- FT%/3PT%: Depending on the player, this gives me a better idea of whether someone is a self-check. Three-point percentage is big for projected wings; FT% is big for projected bigs.
Kawhi Leonard
- Two-point percentage: 47.8%. That's just dreadful. Some of it can be explained by increased usage (Leonard's rate went from 25.6% to 27.5% from his first to his second year), but no lottery pick should ever be that low without a good reason.
- Wingspan/Reach: This is Leonard's biggest asset. His 7'3'' wingspan is freakish and his 8'10'' standing reach is very good too. He also has insanely big hands.
- TS%: 51.2%. Again, that's dreadful for a top prospect. It was only 51.5% the year before, so this isn't simply a function of increased usage.
- Defensive Rebound Rate: 26.6%, 13th in the country. That's phenomenal, but...
- 3PT%: 29.1%.
- Conclusion: And therein lies the problem. Leonard will have to become a passable three-point shooter, because he is so dreadfully inefficient as a two-point shooter. To do that, he will have to play further away from the basket, which negates his rebounding advantage. This is why I'm down on Leonard as a prospect. He's a great workout guy and has great measurables, but he doesn't have enough scoring ability to be anything more than a self-check as a 4, and even if he develops a three-point shot and becomes a 3/D type, it takes away his biggest on-court asset (rebounding). There are a lot of interesting things to the Leonard package, but they just don't add up to me.
Chris Singleton
- Two-point percentage: 46.6%, which is dreadful. However, at least it was a little better the year before (49.4%). Still, red flag.
- Wingspan/Reach: 7'1'', which isn't Leonard-good, but is still excellent for a guy who may project as a 3 on the next level. (He's a 3/4 type). His standing reach is 8'7.5'', which is strangely low -- not sure how to explain a long wingspan with a shortish reach. But I don't think it's that big of a deal.
- TS%: 53%. Which is still pretty bad, but is at least better than Leonard. Also worth noting: Florida State had much less talent around Singleton than San Diego State had around Leonard. I feel better about Singleton's low scoring efficiency number than Leonard's for that reason.
- Defensive Rebound Rate: 17.1%, which is OK. Not great, but not a red flag.
- 3PT%: 36.8%.
- Conclusion: The latter figure is what gives Singleton some hope for me. I think he will much more easily transition into a 3/D role than Leonard. He improved his three-point shot from last year to this year, and I think he could develop into a three-point shooter in the pros. That allows me to excuse his similarly dreadful 2PT%, because if he's a 3/D guy, he's not taking a ton of 2s anyway. Leonard is younger, but I'd rather take Singleton than him.
Tristan Thompson
- Two-point percentage: 54.6%, which is somewhat encouraging for someone without much offensive skills.
- Wingspan/Reach: 7'1.25'' for the wingspan, which is very solid for someone who might be a bit undersized height-wise as a 4. That tells me he can play the position. So to does the stand-and-reach of 9'0.5''. Dude's a 4 in this league.
- TS%: 54%. For someone who uses so few possessions, that's not particularly great. He'll need to diversify his offensive game in the pros.
- Defensive Rebound Rate: 13.7%. Big red flag. He sort of makes up for it by having one of the best block rates in the country, but that's not a good sign.
- FT%: 48.7%. Another red flag because it shows he may not have the stroke to develop a jumper.
- Conclusion: In the end, I see flaws with Thompson, but I love his defensive potential and think his offensive game can grow a bit. He's still so young and Texas had two guards who kept wanting to shoot. I think he immediately becomes the Wizards' best one-on-one defender (he shut down Derrick Williams in the NCAA Tournament), and he's a great weakside shot-blocker. His offensive and rebounding limitations make him a reserve, but you could say the same for lots of guys in this draft.
Markieff Morris
- Two-point percentage: 62.5%, which is obviously phenomenal and blows everyone else away on this list.
- Wingspan/Reach: 6'10.75''/8'10.5''. The stand and reach is fine, but the wingspan is a bit short for my liking for an inside player. It's not horrible -- that's essentially what Darrell Arthur was, and he's a rotation player -- but I'm a little skeptical of his ability to guard NBA power forwards. I'd be very curious when DX posts their Synergy numbers to see how he fares in isolation situations.
- TS%: 64.2%. Again, phenomenal.
- Defensive Rebound Rate: 25%. Phenomenal.
- FT%/3PT%: 62.5%/42.4%. I'm a little concerned about his defense, but his offensive measurables are off the charts. I feel like he might be one of the steals of the draft, and I definitely like him more than his brother.
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Leonard is not the fit for this team
He may just be a good player. But he wouldn’t be for the Wiz.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
Why?
Leonard looks like he’d be a major improvement over our current SFs. It’s not like we’re so deep and talented in that position that we can’t find room for him.
Because in my opinion
We need another star. A guy with that can take the pressure off of John Wall every once in a while. Preferably at SF. I just watched Derrick Rose get manhandled by the Miami Heat defense because he just didn’t have another guy that could create their own shot. We need a Durant to our Westbrook(although the dynamics will be obviously a little different).
Guys like Leonard are necessary, but shouldn’t be taken in the first half of the lottery on a team with SO MANY weaknesses. And we probably are going to need another guy that is scrappy, and tough, and a defensive mastermind. But until we are competitive, hopefully with another star, guys like Leonard can only have so much of an impact.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 24, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Durant is great
Sure, if a Durant-like star player is available at #6, then that’s who we should pick. But who do you see fitting that role? At #6, I don’t see that kind of player being available. We have to go with what’s there, not some ideal fantasy we wish was there.
What Star?
There’s no star at #6 in this draft.
Exactly
No Durants will be there.
So due to this draft
We should just lower our expectations for this team? No. But we take Leonard this year and Erni is not going to take a SF top 5 next year. So I say try for a star at SF(Vesely) or get a solid, if not star player, at another position.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically
Why do we have to take a SF?
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I am for taking a role player at the 3
But not a guy that we will have to wait on to the point that we pass up a star caliber player next year or in the future.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Leonard is Ronnie Brewer at the 3
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is exactly why I'm leaning towrad passing
I think Singleton>Leonard, though Leonard would fit in well with a team that already has scoring options at at least 2 spots in the starting lineup (Wiz have 1 with either Crawford or possibly Young)
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
4 unexciting guys
Singleton: I know he gets a lot of love around here, but I’m pretty worried that he doesn’t have the offensive skills to be anything besides an end-of-quarter stopper. So much hangs on that 37% 3 point shooting, and it’s only 95 attempts. Given that he’s a bad FT shooter, he reminds me too much of Dom.
Leonard: Given his athleticism, his shooting numbers are mystifying to me. I remember him being way too tentative in the post during the tournament and that’s not the kind of thing that’s easily improved. Having said that, he’s supposedly shown an improved stroke in workouts and it’s not impossible to imagine him becoming a solid finisher around the basket with Wall feeding him.
Morris: I don’t know. I can’t seeing him being a bust since he can hit a jump shot and plays hard on defense. He just isn’t that big and isn’t that athletic. He screams 3rd big man to me, which isn’t bad, but isn’t much different from Booker. I’d rather take a chance on whichever Euro falls to us.
Thompson: Bad rebounder and has no offensive skills. I do love his defense, but he just seems to have no offensive instincts whatsoever.
So, I see Leonard as being a step above everyone else, especially when it comes to ceiling. I’d much prefer taking a higher risk European guy, regardless.
by Scizzy on May 24, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So, I wrote all that
and really, it just made me realize what you mentioned in passing: Biyombo is just seems like a vastly better prospect than all these guys. A much better athlete, has played at a high level, and is (hopefully), the youngest of the group.
Yeah - but talk about a ZERO on offense...
Sure , he brings defense, rebounding and shot blocking…. similar to Ben Wallace in that regard
When Big Ben first came to Washington… (undrafted).. He was a role player… It wasn’t until he was in the league for about 3-4 years, AFTER he was traded from Orlando to Detroit that he became good enough on defense to offset his terrible offense…. And even then, it only worked because he had 4 good scorers around him (Billups, Rasheed, Rip and Tayshawn Prince)…
You put Biyombo on the Wizards, and he just duplicates a lot of what JaVale McGee already does – and puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the Wizards to score…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Yeah
the team can’t draft Biyombo because he blocks shot, rebounds and plays defense. I can certainly understand why the Wiz would not want that type of player as a backup 5. No Kanter or Valanciunas, grab Biyombo and start working with him. He is 18. There is no reason to believe he can’t score points. i am going to bet that he can.
by hambonejackson on May 25, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
if he makes it to six and kanter is gone, i agree
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the wingspan really concerned me because i've been looking
at Markieef as just the guy we need due to the belief he would check 4s and board….but I had no idea he could shoot THAT well. Allays fears, even if he has trouble with long 4s he is going to be able to knock down open 10-15ft Js…..absolute backbreakers that Udonis has thrived on for years.
But my question is….what would drafting him mean for Booker/Seraphin?
Singleton !!
1. Best defender in the draft – including perimeter defense….
2. His 3-point shooting improved, as did his Free Throw percentage and his TS%
If you watched Florida State this year, you know that they relied on Singleton on Offense to create shots. They had really no one on the team that could create… and that is NOT Singleton’s strength. He is much better playing off the ball – shooting from the perimeter. He’s a decent OPEN catch-and-shoot guy with excellent mechanics on his shot…
His problem this year is that they asked him to be a high usage, shot creator – and because of his limited ball handling capabilities, he struggled at times… Shooting contested shots, and generally trying to create with the ball in his hands, when he’s better as an off-ball cutter and shooter..
I’ll bet that his catch-and-shoot numbers from Synergy are good… He’s great in transition…. and although he may be a “tweener” on Offense.. he’s a pure wing on defense.
He guarded everyone from Point Guards to Power Forwards… I especially loved watching the BYU games – where they asked Singleton to guard Jimmer Fredette… and he did a very good job. He has the physical tools, and skills, along with the defensive mind set to become a true lock down defender – with the ability to defend anyone from Joe Johnson to Dwyane Wade to LeBron James to Kevin Garnett.
On a team that includes some good offensive players like John Wall (shot creator), Jordan Crawford (shot creator), Nick Young, and Andray Blatche (shot creator); the Wizards should be looking for a low usage wing that can defend, rebound, get out in transition and hit the occasional open shot created by Wall or Crawford.
Draftexpress says:
This is a big reason why he projects as more of an off-the-ball role player than someone expected to carry a heavy offensive load in the NBA. Clearly he would be best suited playing on an up-tempo team that likes to get out in transition, alongside a point guard who can get him the ball in a position to score.
Does that sound like John Wall and the Wizards, or what?
And the best thing? They can probably get Singleton with pick #18…..
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on May 24, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
In love?
I love this post more than Pau loves Steve Blakes wife
by Wizards Khalifa on May 24, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Singleton will not be around at # 18
We can always buy a pick in the high lottery or BOYD one if we really see a talent we want. (and i agree Singleton is very much in play for that)
If we still keep #18 we have a chance to land Vucevic as well. But anything short of Kanter/Dwillams (and actually really only Kanter since i have my doubts, big doubts on Williams) is a fail to me.
Kanter + Singleton + Vucevic + a backup pg at #34 would be my best scenario. Just Kanter would be a great succes too. Trading down would be my 2nd best scenario if trading up is not possible.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on May 25, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah Singleton's stock keeps going up
from film review, to measuring out well, to drills, to athletic testing. after each step his stock seems to get bumped up a little higher. i could see him being a james jones like 3 point specialist that also is a lock down defender to boot.
I was at the MD-FSU (no Singleton) game and I remember thinking how awful their offense really was. Derwin Kitchen was ok, but literally no one who could create their own shot and not many shooters either.
The problem is I don’t think James lasts to 18 after how he has tested. If we can’t trade up for Kanter, trade down for Singleton (anywhere from 8-13 probably works) and hope Markief falls to 18.
Its fun
Its fun when detailed statistical analysis backs up what I see with my eyes. I like Markieff Morris as a fit for this team. I see him becoming our best interior defender upon arrival. His jump shot continues to develop. I’m interested to see the other stats from the combine because he is suppose to be a pretty good athlete for his size too.
Issues may remain regarding his energy and urgency. He seemed real-real laid back in his interview. I don’t like that he only really lit a fire under himself when Marcus was getting ink. He wanted to be as good as Marcus, instead of as good as he could possibly be. Oddly enough, that leaves even more room for improvement.
I don t see Leonard as fitting a real need of the Wiz
The team has Booker. Assuming Kanter and Valanciunas are off the board and Biyombo really is 18, thats who I would draft. I don’t think he will be be a bust, because physically he is strong and he is long and he will most likely get longer and bigger. He knows how to pick and roll and put the ball on the floor. he has a shooting stroke. He is active. I just would just take my chances with him. At least he can push McGee.
you mean this valanciunas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_-RMKoX9Y&feature=player_embedded
by les boulez bomber on May 24, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But I watch his games
and his length does impact games and so does his ability to come off the pick and roll and the number of times he gets fouled doing it. He is also very aggressive going to the rim. Whats really unfair is to show video of an 18 year old player going against players a lot older than he is. Lets just start putting some of these 1sr year college players in the euroleague and see how they look.
by hambonejackson on May 24, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
can he shoot at all? all i see are dunks and layups
by les boulez bomber on May 24, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
and he has post moves. He doesn’t shoot much yet. He is a rookie. He defers to the older players and he never tries to do more than he can do. He is tall and gangly and so he doesn’t look the part yet, but he is clearly teachable and he is very active and he is going to get taller. I think he is wrong about the 6’10. I have seen measurements as high as 7’0". I think he is closer to that right now. Vesely is supposed to be at least 6’ 10" and he doesn’t stand out at all in height the way Valanciunas does. If Vesely is 6’10", then Valanciunas is easily 7’0".
by hambonejackson on May 24, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
remember
Euros usually tell the truth about their heights, the Amrican players all lie.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on May 25, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're judging him assuming he won't improve
Dwight Howard had NO offensive game when he came to the NBA. If you had looked at video of the 18 year-old Howard, all you would have seen were dunks and layups. From what I’ve seen, Valanciunas has a fair grasp of the pick-and-roll which puts him ahead of both Howard and Shaq when they entered the league. And he can rebound and block shots. I’m not saying Valanciunas will be another Howard or Shaq. I hugely doubt it. But you can’t judge his potential as an offensive player by looking at how he plays as an 18 year-old.
Is anyone willing to trade up to 6th though?
I’d be fine with Marikeff (who I still also believe will be better than Marcus in the long term), Singleton or Thompson but I think the issue is:
1) At the position we are picking, they all seem like reaches. Most other players arent far and away better than them though and are mostly projected as projects so this really isn’t a huge issue.
People say that our first pick has to be that “star” or has to be a starter right away and I disagree. In order to build this team into a championship contender, you need solid rotational players anyway, and this draft is full of them. What’s the difference in getting that “star” next year? Especially since THAT draft will be full of them.
2) What position do the Wiz draft? If they go for wing players instead of a big man, that would leave the team in an awkward spot, being as they’d get a solid wing this year, but the great wings come out next year, do they draft a big? For example, the Wiz draft Singleton and {insert wing here} at 18. Then next year they are in a position to pick up the like of a Harrison Barnes, or Perry or Terrance Jones, etc (won’t mention Jeremy Lamb because I have him as a SG and if he’s available the Wiz shouldn’t even blink).
Obviously you shouldn’t let scenario’s that are that far away affect what you’re doing now, but this is a rebuilding effort and those are things you have to take into consideration.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
There is no next year
1, 6 is too high for all of them.
2, Enough with this idea that a team makes their decision based on who they guess might be around to maybe pick next year. It is NOT something you take into consideration, at all, no. Get the best fit for this franchise’s future.
There is no next year?
Jheiser3 = Harold Camping?
by disgrunted on May 24, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think that is a very short sighted viewpoint. u also need to know what will be around the next year- have an idea of the strengths and weaknesses of the draft at least.
by les boulez bomber on May 24, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Excatly
Obviously you shouldn’t let scenario’s that are that far away affect what you’re doing now, but this is a rebuilding effort and those are things you have to take into consideration.
I acknowledged already that you cant dictate what you are doing this year from what may unfold next year. But, this is a rebuilding effort and the point I was making is that you have to consider it at the least.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
and then
you said you have to take them into consideration. Can’t have it both ways. Terrible-terrible idea to let a million variables from a year from now color your thinking in this moment. Did you ask for Christmas presents based on what was going to be out the next year?
Aware? Sure you’re aware of what might be. You’re also aware that a year from now we could have a 2 or 3 year post HS requirement. You’re aware that some kids that HS scouts love don’t translate to the NBA. You’re aware that some kids will go thinking they only need a year, so they won’t progress as much as you expected. Some will just choose to go back to school. Also have to decide on your midseason deals, know who is available then too…
And then, you know all that so you know who to draft now?
by Jheiser3 on May 24, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Did you ask for Christmas presents based on what was going to be out the next year?"
Yes. I wanted a green T-rex toy like Reptar from Rugrats, then I heard they were coming out with a new revolutionary basketball called the Infusion. And what do you think I did?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
where are we picking?
Who is going back to school?
Who is going to struggle more than you thought they would?
Who will be eligible for the draft?
What trades will we make in between then and now?
Letting any of that effect your scouting and drafting process right now is a huge blunder. Get the best players for your franchise. Prep for the draft next year when you have some of those answers.
Watch out for Rapture: Part III on draft night somewhere around pick 5!
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by WorldWiEdWard on May 25, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't know how funny that is to me.
Working at Echostar, video freeze alarms go off for that guy’s show alllllllllllll day. The man literally looks dead and will stare at the camera for long periods doing nothing…creepy.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 25, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
To an extent, all of these players strengths we already have
When I read analysis of Chris Singleton and Bismack Biyombo, I just see Booker and Seraphin respectively.
Booker was a leading if not THE leading defender in college basketball and he has the ability to develop into an Artest-like stopper. He also has a high motor and passable offensive skills although his jumpshot is in need of work. Do we really need Singleton if he’s just more of the same?
Biyombo is admittedly a more athletic and polished version of Seraphin. He is a banger with excellent speed and rebounding. Taking Biyombo would mean moving Seraphin at this point as he does nothing better than him and Seraphin would just be buried even further on the bench. That would seem a waste of his potential.
by BballBrit on May 24, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Singleton has more of a natural 3 in him though
Booker is a 4 all the way. His jumper is not very good, his game is around the basket cleaning up and not at all perimeter orientated. And I don’t think he has ball handle to speak of. Ideally, I wouldn’t want Booker playing the 3 spot.
As for Biyombo I also disagree. Seraphin is raw on both ends but shows signs of developing a nice post game. Biyombo already has good defensive instincts but lacks much of an offensive game. Biyombo also plays above the rim, while Seraphin does not; or that maybe was a product of him being out of shape —> Seraphin highlight below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxUkGYbKjU
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Booker was what?
just in his conference you’ve got Aminu, Davis, Favors, Mosley, Singleton, Alabi. Booker was an undersized 5 who could out-muscle college freshmen for boards, show a passable jumper, and was pretty athletic.
Singleton is a true 3 with the foot speed and strength to guard 1-4, while rebounding well enough and possessing decent range on his shot.
Seraphin was also garbage last year and showed no NBA skills other than being 6 10. If Biyombo is more polished than you, that says something right there.
Seraphin showed NBA skills
It’s silly to say that Biyombo is “more polished” than Seraphin. Kevin’s minutes were limited, but he was becoming more efficient. I’d like to see more of that hook shot next season. I suspect that Kevin’s limited English skills impaired him in his first year in the league – there seemed to be communication problems going on. But again, he was markedly improved by the end of the season.
communication and weight problems
seraphin looked like he wasn’t in as good of shape as he looked from pictures and video from when he was in europe. i like his physicality and touch around the basket. but he’s still a project. i see upside.
from the little we know, it seems seraphin is more polished offensively for sure but biyombo is more polished defensively. they will play different positions is biyombo measures out like they say
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
To an extent, all of these players strengths we already have
When I read analysis of Chris Singleton and Bismack Biyombo, I just see Booker and Seraphin respectively.
Booker was a leading if not THE leading defender in college basketball and he has the ability to develop into an Artest-like stopper. He also has a high motor and passable offensive skills although his jumpshot is in need of work. Do we really need Singleton if he’s just more of the same?
Biyombo is admittedly a more athletic and polished version of Seraphin. He is a banger with excellent speed and rebounding. Taking Biyombo would mean moving Seraphin at this point as he does nothing better than him and Seraphin would just be buried even further on the bench. That would seem a waste of his potential.
by BballBrit on May 24, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry for the double post..
Stupid blackberry.
by BballBrit on May 24, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How many blocks and boards does Seraphin get?
He is not nearly as long and tall as Biyombo and Seraphin does not put the ball on the floor like Biyombo does. He won’t push McGee like Biyombo potentially can. Biyombo looks like the much better prospect at 5.
by hambonejackson on May 24, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's true with Leonard for sure
Singleton is more of a 3 to me, and Thompson brings some different things to the table. But it’s definitely a worthwhile point. I think Booker is a lottery pick in this draft for sure.
Trevor Booker would?
I’m interested as to why you think this? Also, thinking that, where would you place Seraphin in this draft?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
don't see it
I don’t think taking Bismack means moving Seraphin. Bismack has zero offensive game. He is far less polished than even Seraphin offensively. Kevin showed a smooth stroke from outside, hooks, and some power. There’s plenty to refine there. Bismack is Ben Wallace. He’d play the back up C spot and Seraphin the reserve 4. Booker and Lewis share time at 3.
Great analysis . . .
Hopefully one of those players is still around when the 18th selection comes around. Landing a quality rotation player at that slot would be a good find. With the #6 you really want to land a starter — not sure if that kind of player will be available when the Wizards number comes up, but fingers crossed.
The thing about Vesley's defense, though...
Is that he actually has some potential to be a good defensive player. He’s so young, so it’s hard to tell, but in every video I’ve watched (actual videos, not highlight reels), he moves his feet well, slides, stays with guys through screens and has a knack for blocking shots when it seems like he shouldn’t be able to reach the ball in the first place. He’s relatively quick with his feet (I’ve read that he has slow foot speed, but I didn’t see that at all), even sticking with smaller, much faster guys.
I think he could be a good defensive player. Maybe I’m watching videos where he’s playing against bad players or something.
Aztec Alum here
and I just wanted to chime in on Leonard. Thats a great way to break down the prospects but Leonard can do way more than that.
SDSU played at a snail’s pace. They never really ran any plays for him. Really, it was feed it in the post to White or Thomas and if they miss, Leonard will get the board. He is relentless on the offensive glass; almost like Nick Collison attacking the boards.
His form on his jumpshot is consistent and solid. He has good mechanics and he will become a passable 3pt shooter.
Everyone knows about his length, but his shoulders are big meaning he will add good weight to his frame. He definitely has NBA athleticism and is NBA ready (body-wise).
When he decided to come out this year, I looked at the teams in the lottery and thought the Wizards would be the best fit for him. He may not be the shooter your looking for right now, but he will improve. The 2 things that stand out for him that I know will make him successful is that he has NBA athleticism and he loves basketball. He has improved every year since his junior year in high school. He was Mr. California his senior season but he committed to SDSU as a junior; schools were trying to pry him away but he stayed loyal. No one here knew he was going to be this good but he just kept working and improving. I don’t think he will be a star, but he will be a Ron Artest/Battier/Ariza type of player.
Best of luck to the Wizards this season except against the Magic. I’m a Magic fan so I’ve been lurking on this site since the Arenas trade. You guys do a great job. Love the new unis too.
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by L Magico on May 24, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Leonard had the highest usage on the team
Not sure where you’re getting the idea that they ran no plays for him.
by Mike Prada on May 25, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
True
he lead the team in FGA but its more than that; unless he had a clear matchup advantage over a player, they didn’t play through him.
He lead the team in steals and his handles are good enough to lead the break and finish himself. He lead the team in offensive rebounds which, I can’t look this up, he would then go for the put back.
This is where its murkier using advanced stats in college bball; too many outside factors. But Mr Prada, I gotta ask: where did you get the usage stat in college bball? I can’t find it on college bball referance. Gracias!
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
My sense is they had a balanced team and ran plays for a lot of different guys, including him
He just got slightly more plays than the others.
Great post, Mike.
Why doesn’t this kind of writing/analysis work in print journalism?
by ArvydasEnvy on May 24, 2011 8:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kawhi
You’re using 2 point percentage to say drafting him isn’t a good idea. You’ll need more than that. How many times have you seen him play? I’ve probably seen about 12 of his games. He’s built for the NBA. Surefire 10 rebounds per game player. He’s tough, and he’s just recently started to develop his mid-range game this past year. It will only get better. But he’s not a 3P shooter. Never will be. He’s got a big upside on his midrange game. I haven’t seen a whole lot of some of the others at this #6 spot, but Leonard is at least a guaranteed role player, whereas others could be busts. He is a safe pick. He’s tough, gets just about every rebound, plays D. I highly approve this pick.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on May 24, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i don't know enough about any of the four guys to offer any sort of intelligent analysis
but i watched kansas play a few times, and the Morris twins suck
by John Park Williams on May 24, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
Will Kawhi's enormous hands render him incapable of ever developing a consistent jump shot?
A la a Rajon Rondo?
by Max Zamphirescu on May 24, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
He was also MJ
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nobody available at 6 will be good at everything
Sometimes (usually) you have to go with a player who does one or two things well. I don’t expect Kawhi Leonard to become the next Reggie Miller – I expect him to do what he did in college: get boards, and play defense. As Mike often remarks, rebounding is a skill that translates well from college to the pros. More rebounds will mean more second chance opportunities, which means more points for the Wizards and fewer for opponents.
I have my doubts, though, about whether the Wizards’ defense will be improved simply by adding players who are good at defense. I don’t think the team really values defense. I guess it’s a chicken & egg scenario – does it start with the players, or does it start with the coaches and the culture?
i agree…the team does not value defense which is a shame because the sideline snapshots in these conf finals, the coach is constantly talking defense- not offense. and both those teams will be good for the next five years
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Flip will never put together a team that beats them.
But that’s ok. He just needs to develop our young players and get us into the postseason, back to respectability. One step at a time…
I generally think these four guys are pretty even
Who you like of the four depends on your preference. I like Leonard the least because I’m not sure how you can be an elite rebounding/crappy shooting SF in this league, especially with this kind of team. But you’re right: each of these guys have their faults. Thompson has no offensive game; Morris shies away from contact and Singleton isn’t that much better a scorer than Leonard.
My only point is to say that I am kind of shocked that Leonard is going way higher than the other three in most mocks.
Mike
Would love to see a similar breakdown for:
Marshon Brooks vs Tyler Honeycutt vs Klay Thompson vs Alec Burks
by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm contemplating over whether Brooks or Thompson will be better for the team.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Jordan Hamilton
I’d like to see him thrown in that mix as well if you do it Mike.
How about a breakdown of Biyombo?
Is that even possible? Or is it like asking for a postcard from Narnia?
by ryasch on May 25, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Insane is all you can say about his hands???
THE MAN CAN SPAN A FREAKING TOILET SEAT! HE COULD PICK ME UP LIKE A DAMN BABY!
Question, Vesely or Leonard?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
oddly
Some are suggesting its these same hands that will be a problem with his jump shot, similar to Rondo.
It hasn't bothere others with freakishly large hands
C-Webb for instance
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by lietothegirls on May 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nodding wisely
Much like my issues with beer pong. This seems to be one of those scenarios where a stretch 4/5 would complement a rebounding 3 nicely.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant believe im writing this
But at 6 i feel like Leonard is a reach. Vesely is too, but IMO he has more upside than a lot of he lotto picks. I also hate talking about upside which makes this particular draft really tough
Fine analysis...
If accurate (and I must admit prior passive support for picking Leonard) then the option of trading up or trading down becomes more important!
How does shooting 3's...
effect Leonard’s ability to get defensive boards?
Yes, shooting threes will mean he gets less offensive boards. So what?
So it negates his rebounding prowess, which is what makes him great
Also, unless the Wizards want to live with crossmatches, Leonard has to guard 3s and not 4s, so he’s not under the basket as much.
live with cross matches…what does that mean?
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Power forward guarding a small forward/vice versa
It can be confusing in transition to find your man this way, though some teams with particularly smart players like to force crossmatches to take advantage and get easy layups. Phoenix used to do this all the time to hide Steve Nash on defense.
gotcha thx…know it…didnt know the official term
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but you emphasized defensive rebounding specifically in your article
… which won’t be affected by shooting threes.
Being matched up to a three on defense — what, you think he’s going to play the four at 6’7", 227 lbs? No no no. He’s going to defend the 3 position on this team. No matter what his role on offense is.
Interesting comment from Chad Ford in his chat today:
craig (texas)
who would you draft between valaciunas, Vesely and kanter? Why?
Chad Ford (1:46 PM)
Vesely because he’s a NBA athlete, has played well at the highest level. Has good upside and not a lot of risk. Kanter and Valanciunas both have bigger upsides because of their position … but both offer more risks as well.
but but but...
I thought Enes Kanter was the safest pick in this draft!??!?
/sarcasm
Though I’m not sure I agree that Vesely is that much “safer” than Valanciunas or Kanter, I hope a dash of realism thrown into the Kanter-Kool helps kill some of these horribly balanced trade scenarios that as South Park would call it have the Wizards getting repeatedly “F-ed in the A”
by Jeremiah Hewitt on May 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
caught my eye
in that chat: best picks are 10-25. Weak at the top and bottom (duh) but there is a sweet spot. Thats where we should be trying to use all 3 of our picks.
Not sure I agree
That’s like trading a dollar (Carmelo) for four quarters. Yes, the depth is in the middle of this draft. The best players are not available in the middle, however. If the Wiz voluntarily move back, they’re taking an inferior prospect then they can get at 6. They make get more quantity, but not quality. And drafting 3 7th men isn’t a great strategy towards winning games.
well said, esp the last line. i wish you would have said that last year bec that is what we have on our roster- three #20-30 prospects.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It is?
Carmelo is there for us at 6? There isn’t a Carmelo at 1 and I am a big fan of Derrick Williams. To me this draft has players that will be very high picks, but not a lot of players that deserve to go that high. Its been said by a couple different analysts that the players taken in that range could be as good or better than those in the second half of the lottery. Quality versus quantity is relative to each draft. It happens that this draft provides a great chance to strengthen our 9-10 man rotation. Those are better odds than swinging wildly for a kid because thats where you ended up. These rookies might not start immediately, or in their first year, but never? You’re closing that door way too quickly.
So instead of giving up Carmelo, its more like we’re giving up a Yi (taken 6th in 2007) and moving back hoping to find a Noah (9), Nick Young (16) and Wilson Chandler (23). In our case we may get them in the shape of Singleton, Klay Thompson and JaJuan Johnson. Or Markieff, Marshon and Tyler… Thats my argument for moving down should the trading partner materialize.
Filling out this roster with young inexpensive players with NBA skills like rebounding, 3pt shooting and defense is a flipping great strategy for winning. We’re better with those guys than we were with Cartier Martin, Yi, Armstrong and Al Thornton.
This is one draft I think you cant zoom in on a strategy, and you need to stay flexible. For all the reasons you mentioned above…the few top talents are above us and there is not a huge difference behind us. We dont know the real costs of trading up or what we would receive trading back. We can have fun and pass time speculating, but we dont know. Stay flexible.
This draft will be a success if we can parley our three picks into one true starter. We dont need depth guys. Ernie got that last year. That is all he got after JW- three backups. And I know it is hard to imagine, but once we are better- near or in the playoffs, we will probably only have a shot at depth guys because we will be picking later in the lottery or out of it completely.
Personally, I would trade up and grab what appears to me to be the better odds true starters- williams or kanter. but i have not seen anyone else play enough to feel confident they are a diamond in the rough. For me, only JW and future 1st round picks are off the table. But it would be a wasted year if we cant pull a legitimate playoff team starter out of this draft.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing happens until draft anyway
and when we’re on the clock and know who’s left. So I’m not sure how much more flexible that can be. Although, there is some irony to you saying stay flexible then saying we have to trade all 3 picks for a higher pick to consider this draft a success. Then finish saying the whole draft is a waste if we can’t pull a playoff starter out of it… Sounds like you say one thing and do the opposite. You also seem to have this idea that playoff starters only come from high in the lottery. Not the case.
The 2009 draft had more playoff starters outside of the lottery than in it. The 08 draft had 3 in each. 07 lottery had 4 playoff starters, 5 other playoff starters went later. Trading up doesn’t even guarantee us a starter, let alone playoff starter, not in this draft.
Last year we got Wall and rotation players picked in the high teens to high twenties counting Crawford after the fact. That was an obvious success. Booker and Crawford have already shown their worth and could become starters. They are locked up for 4 more years for a paltry 9.6M combined! Oh what a problem to have, or duplicate in this draft. Who needs young productive players who make less than 2M a year that can become starters with development… not us certainly.
can you support your statements on those drafts and compare the legitimate starters inside the lottery versus outside for 09, 08, 07? that statement does not pass the smell test. or will that just be a blanket statement you expect people to believe at face value?
i never said we have to trade all three picks for a higher pick to consider this draft a success.
however, i think the draft is a waste if we can not pull one starter out of it, absolutely. last year heading into the draft, we had three players. this year we have 7 players to build around. but of those 7, only one is a true starter. so we need 4 more starters, and that will give us 11. add in seraphin, another back up guard, another true backup front court player/project (if you do not consider ndaye that guy) and that fills the roster until we upgrade.
but i completely disagree with you unless your goal is respectability. it sounds like you would be happy with a 35-45 win team topping out in the second round of the playoffs. that is what your advocating by obtaining more developmental/backup/maybe one day start talent. personally, i dont follow WAS hoping they become respectable. i expect that. i follow them to compete and win championships. and to do that, they need to upgrade their starting lineup at every position except point guard. hence, my position that we need to do what we have to do to pull out a starter from this draft- save obviously giving up the entire farm. but we have some young players that could be included, numerous draft picks to bundle, and the ability to absorb salary. i dont know what the asking price will be. hence my stay flexible comment, which they will likely do as you noted.
kanter is a double double guy in the nba barring injuries. he is probably not an all star. there are other starters for sure. we dont have the draft record for me to believe we can uncover them. the last true starter this franchise drafted was ben wallace. and ernie has been here ten years (consensus #1 JW excepted of course). so given this franchise’s long, established track record of drafting talent, it should be no surprise that i advocate being a little more aggressive and going for someone that is thought to be more of a sure thing, with no guarantees accepted.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
its all there on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Draft for starters. I’m happy to show you how your smell test is defective but I’m off to see the Hangover 2 to kick start the long weekend. I’ll try to find this later if you won’t look it up yourself.
BTW, There’s nothing about this idea that indicates being happy about mediocrity. How did Boston come upon Ray Allen and KG? They didn’t draft them. They drafted several young promising players in unexceptional drafts like this one, then packaged them for stars. This scenario is bout building a depth of players with NBA skills that cn help s in the short term, long term or help as assets in the future.
they gave up the #5 pick for allen. and no, i am not going to research to disprove your statement. it is incumbent on you to support yourself, not me. enjoy the movie. let me know if you recommend it!
by les boulez bomber on May 27, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
PaIt II was quantity
some quality too.
We both want starters out of this draft. Have to get Wall more help and continue to build team culture. Those guys don’t have to be top 3 picks. Here’s the research.
2007
L: Durant, Horford, Conley, Noah.
N/L: Marc Gasol, Afflalo, W Chandler, C Landry.
2008
L: DRose, Westbrook, and Gallinari.
NL: Hibbert, Ibaka, and Batum.
2009
L: Harden
NL: J Holiday, Ty Lawson, Collison, and Sam Young.
Right- they do not have to be top 3 picks. But it requires good drafting, which has not been a strong point of ours.
Right now, I am of the opinion to see what it takes to put us in position for Kanter or Valanciunas. We dont even have a back up center right now and JVM is on the last year of his contract- basically…yada yada yada. My current thoughts are all out there in multiple posts.
I agree, if we did not do that, then Singleton seems like a good consolation prize. But we wont know until draft day probably. I think the likeliest scenario for us is to stay at #6 and draft Leonard, Vesely, or Singleton. Ernie is not on strong enough ground to do something bold, probably!
by les boulez bomber on May 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
trading #6 (and change) straight up for Wes Johnson is interesting to me. But I have not watched him play enough to really know how sound that idea is. He played out of position alot last year, but he was a well rounded prospect last year. Minn could then get a center and Burks too, and they REALLY need a SG. They are likely in better position to trade for a vet when the new CBA is out.
by les boulez bomber on May 30, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Kawhi or Morris
Preferably Kawhi. I am definitely sold on this guy. Mike, you failed to mention that he improved his 3 point shooting by 9% last season. He is a good defender, he is ripped, and his mid range game is good. Even if he won’t be an effective scorer immediately, we still have scorers in Wall, Crawford, and Young. Great rebounder too.
After watching King James play defense in playoffs
I too prefer Kawhi, a guy who can defend 3 positions, handle the ball, and drop in a 3 pointer from time to time. He is the safest pick in the top of the draft and would feel a great need for Wizards in terms of toughness and leadership. Leonard and Wall on the fast break and as defensive stoppers will be the backbone of this team for the next 10 – 12 years! Potentially a poor man’s James.
i think the point is that one of these four will be available at 18 when we pick. and is there such a difference in their talents that we need to use the #6 pick on one? i prefer biyombo at #6 and select our favorite from this group at #18
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so
Chad Ford is very in-tune with the NBA draft and from what I have read in his articles and on DraftExpress, no way Kawhi Leonard gets out of the top ten picks. Biyombo is such an unknown (age) that he may possibly drop to the mid first round, but even Leonard and his camp knows he is going high, which is why he did not do any of the drills at the combine.
by one of the four, i did not think leonard would be there. i think he is going top 10. but at least one of the other three should be there. and i think leonard is the most likely pick for us at #6. if biyombo has the wingspan and standing reach he is not going mid 1st round (15)- no way- because he is a solid rebounder and shot blocker today- and very athletic. this isnt thabeet who moves like a klunker- and thabeet went #2. so even if you drop some spots bec thabeet is a total bust, it is not out of the lottery
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My only problem with Biyomobo
and the Euros are that you don’t really know what you are getting. I am not talking about basketball skills, I mean like with Biyombo it is the age question. Not really a big deal unless we draft him and find out months from now he is really 28 or something. And with the Euros it is always ARE THEY COMING OVER HERE this century? I don’t see this as a “weak” draft like many are saying but those two factors have a great influence on this draft because a lot of the top players in this draft are Euros and there is a feeling of the unknown. Biyombo has the tools we need to take the next step also, rugged rebounder and shot blocker. He also can run the floor very well and play the 5 when we go small.
yeah i agree. i heard people are confident he is under 22 so there is no concern about age. but 28 would def be a problem lol
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Splitter was every bit the prospect Valunciunas is now
and he didnt come over here for years….they pay well in Europe too. Definitely a tricky situation
hmmm collect a check and play vs. collect a check and ride the pine??? not a hard choice for most
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He also improved his freshman year 3pt% to 20% up from 0 when he was in high school. It’s still awful, and no, he does not have a good mid range game.
do they have three pointers in HS? if not, then everyone who made one three point shot their freshman year improved. twenty percent is not good, you know?
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my point
neither is 29%. Singleton is the one that actually improved to a good level at ~38%
I am sick of the 2011 draft
I think Perry Jones will be the player I am leaning towards next season to pair him up with Kanter and Blatche. I don’t know what to do with the Mcgee pick yet.
by hambonejackson on May 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Reasons to consider Valanciunas
While most will agree I think that Valanciunas has interesting potential, there’s understandable reluctance to draft a project who is, in the best case scenario, several years away from being an effective center in the league. But there are two compelling facts that the Wizards should consider in evaluating the wisdom of drafting Valanciunas. First, this coming season is very likely to be disrupted, perhaps even eliminated, by a lockout. If that happens – and does anyone here doubt that the NBA is heading in the same direction as the NFL – no rookie is going to make much of a contribution. (I’m not sure if Valanciunas is still able to play in Europe if he’s drafted and then then there’s a lockout, but, if he can, then he’ll gain the advantage of his added international play.) Second, let’s be realistic – even if we were to land Kanter or Derrick Williams, we’re still probably looking at a return to the lottery next year while our young core develops and gains experience. And our #6 pick, no matter who he is, will probably make less of a contribution that Kanter or Williams. Meantime, when the league returns to normalcy in 2012-13, Valaciunas will be more experienced than he is today and, almost certainly, will have added muscle and weight to his thin frame. Also, we’ll have added another key piece to our lineup in next year’s draft. If we’re willing to be patient through next season, we could have a very solid lineup ready to compete with the top teams of the NBA.
good points! same applies to biyombo
by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
here is a game clip, not a highlight reel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEfuAddCMpg&feature=related
he doesnt impact this game at all. runs around setting picks, rolls, then they never pass it to him. grabs a couple open boards, a blocked shot, gets his shot blocked, no points. he is not a top 10 pick in this clip.
it’s painful to watch- 8-5 at the end of the quarter. an eye opener if this is european basketball. no wonder so many are duds. highlight of the tape for me was former terp terrance morris making a cameo!
you have to seriously consider if he would come over if drafted by us. i heard him interviewed and he said he wants to come to the nba when he is ready to play. he does not want to ride the pine. and he would with us- seraphin minutes.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
did you notice how useless Ricky Rubio is in that game?
Valunciaunas is going to be over 7ft for sure….that’s about all I can say
was that rubio in there. ugh, his stock has dropped lol. val has a long way to go that is what i am saying. he will not be the biggest guy on the court in the nba. and he needs a lot more strength. i would have to know who else was avail at #6 to have an opinion whether he would be a good pickup for us at that spot. he may or may not be. i am not against him. i really think you have to consider if he would come over bec he does not start over mcgee right now. and he wants to come over to play not sit; he said it specifically.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
His agent wants him to stay another season
but Valanciunas is choosing to be in the draft. My thinking is that he is discouraging some teams from drafting him. I think he wants teams that say to him that he is going to be their starting center. A team like Cleveland knows Varajao is at the end of his days and some one has to take over. So Cleveland can say he will.
From the Wiz point of view, drafting Valanciunas is insurance against McGee and a way to trade in to next years lottery. His stock will rise over the next 2 seasons. To own a future starting NBA center is a nice thing to own. He won’t cost anything, you are skipping this lottery and if they want to get in to next seasons lottery, you have the best center prospect and he will be even better. He will be taller and stronger and more skilled and he will be all of just turned 20. He may be worth more than any player they can take 6th. They can flip him next draft if they want to. There won’t be any Kanters in that draft and Valanciunas might be the best player outside the wing position.
by hambonejackson on May 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats an old clip
6 months may not seem old, but for him it is. This is his 1st pro year, so he is evolving fast. Try getting something within the last month.
by hambonejackson on May 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i posted what i found. nothing filtered. if you have something more recent, can you post it?
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I will look around
I will try to post one of his more recent games. Sometimes it takes a little digging around, but I usually find them.
by hambonejackson on May 26, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
why should we be in the lottery next year if we land Kanter or DWilliams?
Isnt Kanter supposed to be Mr.NBA who should come in and play well from the get go? Wall will be in his 2nd year….Rose was league MVP in his 3rd year! We should be expecting a huge leap from Wall, as in enough of a leap to start winning a grip of games on his own.
I’m not saying we should be really good next year…..but the lotto again? I dont know, that would seem to be a very bad sign re: the rebuild when you consider how bad the Eastern Conf is
are you watching the playoffs? we are a lottery team next year with anyone in this draft. we are not a good basketball team. everybody else has players that will improve too.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
we are nowhere in reach of philly or indiana?
even after we added kanter or dwilliams AND john wall was a full year better? what is the point of “doing we everything we can” to trade up and get kanter if he doesnt even make us in the realm of 37 win EasternConf teams?
There may be some fluffery going on.
Kanter has gone from “good fitting piece of the puzzle” to Karl Malone in the last month. Mostly because many of the top players are staying in school.
by MR on May 26, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have Kanter top 50 all time
and at worst the 2nd greatest power forward in Bullets/Wizards history
by hambonejackson on May 26, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Above Jared Sullinger
Harrison Barnes, AND Anthony Davis???
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
unless you are advocating trading our lottery pick this year for another lottery pick in 2012 (which i would support), then those players coming out next year have no relevance on this year’s draft. you have to compare this year’s crop amongst themselves. we will have a pick in next year’s lottery and should pick up a better player than this year.
i dont feel he has been inflated at all. barring injury, he is a double double guy, prob not an all star. that has been and is where he is projected. what is being screamed about is to land a legitimate starting quality player in this draft and stop accepting backup prospects who may develop into starters is acceptable. it isn’t. maybe the pull being felt is a resistance to stop accepting mediocrity to this franchise now that we have one legitimate building block to form a team around.
people talk about the OKC model- well OKC picked solid starters with the #2, #3, #4, #5, and #24 pick. all in three consecutive drafts. the core of their team came from those five picks. they hit on all of them. you have to land a starter when you are a 23 win team with one true starter.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I left this out
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr331/guitar_guy723/sarcasmbutton.jpg
Or just read the conversation. I think you will get my point.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
because you first need starting talent not depth. you are only as good as your best players and if all but one of your best players are role players then you will forever be in the lottery
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Ford, his latest tweet on Leonard was interesting...
Kawhi Leonard surprised me with poor testing. 32" vert is not very good for a guy who has a rep as a great athlete. Only benched bar 3 time
then:
Clarification on bench press. The bench is 185 lbs.
Jimmer Fredette’s vertical was 33".
by dgackey on May 25, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
... and for context,
Derrick Williams & Justin Harper had the most 185 lb bench press reps (19).
by dgackey on May 25, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Derrick Williams is a monster!!!
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on May 25, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that is impressive
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that would help explain why he was such a poor 2PT% guy
I still think the bench-press for wings isn’t that important though.
Probably Much Ado About Nothing
I agree that the Wizards could really use a defensive stopper. But this draft isn’t so deep that one bends over backwards to find a need. It’s a take the best player available kind of scenario. Also, unless said player turns into a Bruce Bowen type, it’s like any players drafted will only see back-up minutes anyway. It’s great to draft a defensive guy. It would be better if said guy actually played. Other than Wall, not sure who will be starting for the Wizards in three years. And I’m not sure anyone drafted now will be included in said group.
who said said group was said in stone? ;-) but if we get one solid starter from this draft, id consider it a success. you really want a starter drafting #6. i know people clamor for depth, but that is what u get when u are already off the bottom and near playoff/in the playoffs and drafting 10-20. cant get excited about adding depth and no starters now. hence, my willingness to trade up under a good scenario for us.
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
We should really be talking about trading up in draft
and take Kanter or D. Williams. These players are only worth discussing with 2nd 1st round pick, not at #6.
Kanter's shooting
A look at the shooting number from the combine and Kanter didnt do so well in spot up shooting compared to the other PF’s and C’s. Neither did Markieff, so not sure if either of them will really help space the floor.
check draftexpress.com for teh results from shooting
he placed near the bottom in some tests and near the top in others. overall, it was mixed. it is also one moment in testing and draft express states that one test does not a player make. dirk didnt shoot so well in game 2. he may be good, he may be inconsistent. i think you can take away there is something to build upon. exactly what that is still needs to be determined .
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
also i noticed leonard did not shoot at all which is not good considering it is a concern with him and he has supposedly been working hard on his shot..
by les boulez bomber on May 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
My bold predition: Chris Singleton will go #5 or #6
He has started to move up and I think he is going to move up drastically as the draft approaches.

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