2010/11 Washington Wizards Player Evaluation: Jordan Crawford
Over the next few weeks, we will be evaluating the 2010/11 seasons of all the players who ended the year on the Wizards' roster. We'll offer our quick thoughts, then ask you to grade their season on a 1-10 scale in the comments. For the purposes of this exercise, we'll start with the key players and work our way down. Next in line: Jordan Crawford.
Key advanced stat: Only 25 percent of Crawford' baskets with the Wizards were assisted. Remarkably, that's a lower figure than John Wall, who had the ball in his hands seemingly all the time.
Jordan Crawford passed the honeymoon period in his new home with flying colors. In his 26 games with the Wizards after the trade from Atlanta, Crawford demonstrated that he's capable of being an NBA-quality player. He scored in double figures for 17 straight games, which is a pretty neat feat for a rookie. He also dropped 39 on Miami (a non-Blake Griffin rookie high) and had over 20 points in 10 of those 17 games. Clearly, Crawford took advantage of the opportunity afforded to him.
And yes, it was a major opportunity. Crawford didn't hide his feelings about being buried on the bench in Atlanta. I remember talking to Crawford right after he got his first real playing time against Dallas, and I remember him telling me very strongly how he felt he didn't develop at all in Atlanta. I remember him telling me how, throughout his career, he only really made strides in a "five on five" situation. So when he finally got the chance to play, he attacked it with a level of enthusiasm that you don't see from enough players in this league. This is the quality of Crawford that Ernie Grunfeld and the rest of the Wizards' management has loved about him even dating back to last June's draft. It's commonly misconstrued as "fight," but really, it's that he never needs second chances to show his skills. He's going to show you what he can do no matter what.
Alas, the concern I have is that Crawford won't be afforded this opportunity again. Few players ever will. How many rookies selected with the 27th pick overall and with Crawford's ability/propensity (depending on how you look at it) to hoist shots will get 36 minutes a game, which is what he got in March and April? How many players with Crawford's kind of game ever have the leeway to get his minutes and fire away? How many teams have so little offensive talent that a Crawford forced shot is better than giving it to someone else? The answer is none, and that includes next year's Wizards, who will have a return to health, a lottery pick to work in and developing frontcourt players who will need more shots.
This is Crawford's challenge, and it's a big one. Strip away the gaudy per-game numbers, and Crawford was still a tremendously inefficient scorer that used a lot of possessions. He got more leeway to do so because of the team surrounding him. Going forward, he will not be afforded the same leeway in the same number of minutes, so he must adjust, significantly. He needs to take better shots. He needs to take shots in different, more efficient locations. He needs to take shots off plays created by others. If he cannot do that, his scoring skill loses its utility. Guys like Crawford are not good enough to just be afforded the opportunity to play their game. They have to adjust to the team around them, and only then can the coach potentially meet him halfway.
The good news is that Crawford's contract is cheap and there is time for him to develop. John Wall seems to have taken to him, and that can only be good news for Crawford's future. But for Crawford to advance past the honeymoon stage, he needs to apply his determined attitude toward fitting into a defined, limited role with this team. He now should know that he is capable of playing in this league, and I can live with him doing what he did this year because he needed to prove that to himself. Now, he needs to show that he can actually be a valuable cog in a machine.
A LIMERICK ABOUT JORDAN CRAWFORD'S SEASON, BY JAKE WHITACRE
A folk hero due to his dunk
He scored a significant chunk
Gave Wiz a perk
Passing needs work
Made Watson look like a punk
FAVORITE JORDAN CRAWFORD QUOTE, BY MIKE PRADA
"It's just like, you're a man at the end of the day. You don't want to just go out there and lose. It ain't what nobody is about, and it ain't what I'm about." -Crawford on the thought of tanking
DISCUSSION QUESTION
If you had to pick one player in the entire league for Crawford to study to improve his game, who would it be?
Rate Crawford's season on a scale of 1-10, given the expectations you feel he should have been given heading into the season.
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His weaknesses are..
Shot selection and defense
hopefully he will work on both during the off season. Improving his range on his shot will also help as the team doesn’t have many 3 point shooters… his mid range shot is pretty good and he should stick to that and driving to the basket because he is a quick guard himself
I think he can adjust because he can play off the ball and he can run the 2nd unit because he has play making abilities… he will be a great guy to have on board moving forward. When Wall was ejected from the MIA game, Crawford took charge and you need players like that for this team to change the culture and go back to winning
Crawford's greatest asset is that he is not afraid.
He’s not afraid to take a big shot, he’s not afraid to challenge, he’s not afraid to lose. The guy has a real competitive and nasty streak in a way that I don’t think many players have. If he can harness that and avoid being a selfish player then I think he could really be something.
same here
he should be completely off the table for any pre-draft trades EG considers. In this increasingly guard-centric league, there is no way you trade a kid like him after his rookie year
by DCrez on May 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt he is anywhere near the table...especially with no clue
about the CBA and NY status….it isn’t even a conversation…the dude modeled our uniforms…I doubt they plan on dumping him…
Forced shots
When there are very few other options a forced shot is all there is. I think with better players around him that the forced shots will lessen and his effectiveness will get better. He bailed the team out many times this past season.
He at least seems to care about winning and gives great effort.
i agree. circumstances dictate a guy deciding to be that much of a gunner at times.
i like what he brings, but don’t over value him either. the only untouchable on this roster is Wall.
One person to study...
Manu Ginobli – circa 2007
by DavidDunn on May 23, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You can't teach what Manu does
For catching & shooting, I’d suggest vintage Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller. For defense, I’d suggest Shane Battier.
I think he needs to do more as 6th man than
Catch and shoot. Which is why I suggest Manu…
by DavidDunn on May 23, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can see the comparison
He has a herky jerk style that creates opportunities for himself and his teammates.
Wally's World
by forthepeople on May 23, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently you did not get the memo…JC is one of the new “big three” lol great writeup! maybe they will just let him do what he wants when wall is not in there
by les boulez bomber on May 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
i think it is…so far…happy to give him the freedom to develop more, but backup combo guard is where i see him right now. but nolan in the second round is interesting.
by les boulez bomber on May 23, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We haven't had a guy like Crawford since Juan Dixon.
Luckily we have an assistant coach who also had no fear when he was a guard in the league. Maybe Sam is someone Jordan could emulate.
I hope that Juan Dixon is NOT Crawford's ceiling....
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
its not…JC handles the better…that was one of JD’s biggest weaknesses
by les boulez bomber on May 23, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on hoping the ceiling is higher than Juan
Without looking at stats, both are inefficient, shot jacking point guards. Crawford needs to move beyond that – which I know everyone is already saying.
Crawford doesn't take bad shots
only good shots he misses. Crawford helped turn the team around and win games. Crawford is versatile. He can play off the ball in catch and shoot. He can create his own shot and shots for others. He can defer his shooting all together. He can score inside, outside, knock down 3s and he makes passing look easy. He came for next to nothing. Lets complain about him.
Looks like Grunfeld scored a rookie who won’t take 10 years to become average. He should be locked up in a vault with Wall and Booker as precious commodities for Grunfeld as the only 3 rookies he has ever acquired who know how to play basketball.
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Wait a minute
You’re saying that Crawford is taking GOOD shots?
If that were the case, then he’d be a TERRIBLE shooter and should stop shooting because he’s missing 62% of those “good” shots.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Actually
most shots he takes are open shots, but in Crawfords head all the shots he takes are good shots. In fact, he can improve on his accuracy. He missed some easy shots. Those fall away jumpers didn’t thrill me because he isn’t very long. I though some of the 3’s he took were out of his range, and then he started to hit some and I thought, maybe not. I can’t down on a player who doesn’t know the offense and played 29 games. I think its a little premature to judge him. I want to see how he does next season. In fact a full season.
by hambonejackson on May 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a huge Crawford supporter
but even I think he had among the worst shot selections in the league last year.
Given that there weren’t many more options on offense, that he is just learning, and that he just got out of Hawks jail I’m willing to give him a pass for last year. But I’m not willing to call them good shots.
by MR on May 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see him turn into a Jason Terry type player
Great 6th man with energy and scoring off the bench.
by jeffco01 on May 23, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That was my first thought
Terry is a great model for Crawford to emulate. However, I think Jason Terry has quietly been one of the league’s best all around shooters. I can’t assume Crawford can become that type of player. I still think that’s a great goal though.
I understand concerns about a volume shooter with low percentages. On the other hand, the kid was a rookie, and he’s been in the mix for less than 1/3 of a season for the Washington Wes Unselds (hey, it’s better than the Seadogs). Plus his contract is cheap and locked through 2014, and he seems motivated to improve. Give him time, he has not yet wasted his opportunities like some.
by Jim America on May 24, 2011 7:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the next major step for Crawford is getting to the free throw line more
He only averaged 3 foul shots per game as a Wizard, which is awful for someone with his usage rates and minutes on the floor. Particularly for someone already so adept at slashing to the basket, he needs to learn to draw more contact, so 20ish shots can turn into 15 field goal attempts + foul shots. And he did shoot an impressive .885 from the free throw line, albeit in a small sample size.
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah that's a good goal for him
Shooting 89 percent from the line is meaningless if you don’t get there.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Getting to the line more
Would make him a legitimate rotation player and put a lot of pressure on Nick to play well. Because getting to the FT line has got to be the most efficient way to score, and IMO getting fouled more means getting to the hoop more and getting to the hoop only leads to good things; especially with a player with a questionable jumpshot and above average passing ability.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
26 games can be misleading.
Alot of his game this year looked “on the fly”. Flip didn’t have alot of time to really develop some plays for him.
We’ve got a full off-season and a lockout looming. I’m sure flip is working on a gameplan to utilize his play-making ability ala james harden.
Geting it done.
Agreed
Although might be the funniest play-making i’ve ever seen.
LOL
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by Dutch Hoopfan on May 25, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
For every one of those
There are one of these.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should be watching videos of Dwayne Wade
Wade’s first instinct is usually to attack rather than settle for the mid-range shot. Crawford has the ability to get to the rim, though certainly nothing close to Wade’s ability. I think in reality, he’s more likely to be in the mold of Jamal Crawford, which is probably why Atlanta didn’t fight too hard to keep him. I’m hoping that Jordan can learn to be more efficient, but
I’m pretty sure his killer instinct is bound up with his high-volume approach to scoring, so he may always be a bit of a mixed bag. Everyone here seems to be much higher on his long-term prospects than I am, so I hope I’m wrong.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on May 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
I’m pretty sure his killer instinct is bound up with his high-volume approach to scoring, so he may always be a bit of a mixed bag
This is why he should be our 6th man. When he’s on, he can be an X-factor. When he’s off, you can pull him without damaging the chemistry off the starting 5. Let him do that against Chalmers, James Jones and CJ Watson instead of Wade, LeBron, and Rose.
I feel the same way about Blatche. They are both high usage, low efficiency guys that can light it up at any given time. Let them be 6 and 7 and ride the hand when it’s hot. You get in trouble when you start having to count on their hand being hot consistently.
So according to this community
Crawford had a more successful season than JaVale McGee?! Seriously? He had an abysmal 45.6 TS%, he shot 25% from three yet he took almost 5 threes per 36 minutes. To put it mildly, he was a terrible scorer. I’m really at a loss for words. It’s like fans just pick certain players they like and certain players they don’t like no matter what happens. Or just whoever scores the most points.
by zl on May 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mcgee ran away with the "most potential" poll
Folks have extremely high expectations of him based upon what it appears he should be able to do….thus he gets severely hated upon for not being as good as people think he could “easily” be
by DCrez on May 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seems like he may always be the recipient of the "it's never good enough" disapproval
Even when he made strides near the end of the year, had that stellar rebounding west-coast trip, looked like he was more disciplined, finished better, displayed a greater array of offensive moves then we’ve seen before, etc. etc… His accomplishments are generally neutralized with an “yeah, but” he didn’t do soandso, he still had his bonehead dribbling exhibition, whathaveyou. Which are usually valid criticisms, but I think the big picture is too often lost. And improvements are too generally ignored or invalidated.
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well the competitive nature alone
That Jordan has, and that Javale lacks, is the difference for me. Jordan Crawford is not going to fail in this league. I can see that when he is on the court. If he has to improve shot selection and play distributor, if he has to work on his jumpshot, work on his defense, he will do these things. I really struggle, still, to say Javale is willing to do everything that it takes. And that makes me uneasy about calling him a future star.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The grading is relative to expectations
So people probably expected more out of JaVale than they got.
by Mike Prada on May 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pierre doesn't have to worry about that with me
I don’t believe he will come in to this next season knowing how to play basketball. He’s a monster on the court. Block shots and dunk the ball, thats all he needs to do and then get traded.
by hambonejackson on May 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a good point
but i think balanced by the fact that we had mcgee all season, while crawford came out of nowhere to join the club and brought some excitement. so lack of expectation and being surprised by what there was, vs. expectation and impatience (probably unfairly) with someone we hope will be a superstar already. at least, that’s why i gave crawford an 8. give him another season of shooting so inefficiently, and it would be a 2 or a 3.
Read the question:
Rate Crawford’s season on a scale of 1-10, given the expectations you feel he should have been given heading into the season.
by MR on May 23, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Grading on a curve . . .
Personally, I discount the fact that Crawford is a rookie. The bench-mark is “rookie performance”. Against that standard Wall looks very good. Crawford looks promising in some respects, but he’s still got a ways to go (e.g. a nice way to put it is that he’s a “volume shooter” — but he’s also a competitor who does more than just shoot the ball).
In McGee’s case, I guess if he’s judged as a rookie, then he really did have a great season.
If he’s a rookie though, why is he going into the 4th year of his contract? Also what slot was he selected in in the 2010 draft? Why didn’t he get any PT during the rookie challenge this year?
I understand this point
but IMO McGee had a great season by any standards, and Crawford had a bad season even by rookie standards. That’s my point
by zl on May 23, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
McGee had a great season by any standard?
I definitely wouldn’t go that far. He had a good season based on the standard that he set the previous year. McGee year 3 was an improved version of McGee year 2. That much is true.
Was he great based on a Dwight Howard standard or even Gortat, Gasol, Okafur, Bogut, Bynum, Chandler, or Hilario standard? (We aren’t even going into the Hall of Fame standard).
Maybe he’s in the conversation with Hibbert and Monroe at this point — one of those guys though is a rookie.
As far as Crawford goes, if you take his minutes and stats and cut them in half to a level typical of most rookies, he fits right in the middle of the pack. He arguably had average rookie production accounting for minutes, but he didn’t have a “bad” season based on rookie standards. He had a handful of very good games — especially towards the tail end of the season — and even more games that were “learning experiences”. Overall, not bad.
FYI
Dwight Howard is the Hall of Fame standard. In my view, McGee has not lived up to crazy expectations. The team desperately needs to improve at every aspect of interior play, but McGee will be difficult to replace regardless should they go that route.
by Jim America on May 24, 2011 7:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well when you say
“Great by any standards…”
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwight Howard standard?
How can the expectations of a third year center at 22 years old be at the level of Dwight Howard, Gortat, Gasol, Okafor, etc? The fact is that his numbers per36 (13 and 10 on 55% shooting with 3 blocks) are well above average for an NBA center. He was a better rebounder than Gasol and Nene and he shot better than Bogut. The fact that he can even be compared to the top tier centers of the league that you listed is incredible and a testament to the strength of his season.
by zl on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what you should have said
Was he was great by third year project player(and your) standards.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 24, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He was great by any standards. Just a tier below the top centers in the league.
by zl on May 24, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he is "a tier below the top" then how is that "great by any standards"?
By the standards of one of the good centers in the league he had a lousy year.
Such a short post but you manage to completely contradict yourself.
...
Good by ‘any’ standards includes good by Dwight Howard standards. And by Dwight Howard standards, we agree he was not good. Is this a riddle that I am missing?
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 25, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ
If you want to get into the technicalities, go ahead. He was one of the best centers in the league and if he puts up the same numbers for the rest of his career he’ll be an above average starting center. Technically it wasn’t “any standards”… it’s a figure of speech. He was great by NBA center standards
Also has to drastically cut down on his turnovers
Particularly as a shooting guard. A quick glance at his turnovers in the month of Februrary: 5… 4… 5… 6… 7… 5… Unacceptable really.
All in all, I suppose it’s safe to say that he just needs to become an all-around smarter basketball player. Higher-percentage shots, fewer off-balance shots, finding his spots, not trying to do too much, not turning the ball over, getting the ball back to his PG quicker, getting to the foul line more, becoming more aware on defense. Just becoming more aware in all facets.
Thankfully, it seems like most of Crawford’s biggest issues can be coached up, and it’s hard to truly gauge the level that he can reach. I remember being really impressed by that end-of-season Atlanta game, where we all thought he was gonna come out blazing, but he mostly focused on passing the ball, getting teammates open looks, I think he may have finished with 8 assists in the first half but I’m not certain. He’s end-of-game line was ugly, 3-9 for 6 points, 0 free throw attempts — but he displayed a different side of his game, the playmaking-without-scoring side, which will be crucial in those games where NY or Blatche is particularly on fire.
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
He is a heck of a passer
I, for one, was very impressed with his passing ability and his court vision. He would zip passes to Mcgee and Blatche deep in the paint where they could score easily. Truthfully, JC is an extremely talented young guard, but he needs to find a medium of everything; package all his skills into a controlled punch off of the bench.
He can definitely be a championship piece for this young squad. Plus, im about to buy his jersey when they come out! ;)
by jsuh0 on May 23, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Folks scoffed when I asked if JC was as good as Wall
but seriously, wasnt joking at the time. Isnt he more like DRose than Wall is? Score first PG vs setup PG
I mean, if no one knew who either player was- are we positive Wall would win a straight competition for the starting PG spot over Crawford?
Maybe he would…but Crawford is that talented that at least it’s a debate. Gotta keep that kid around another year…
More like Arenas . . .
than Young would be my comparison point. Unfortunately, he’s much closer to Arenas after the injury than before. If he can get the shooting percentage up, he could be a great asset. He’s able to distribute a little and can collect rebounds, and he’s a better defender than Arenas ever was (which isn’t saying a ton). He’s got a scorers mentality.
There’s no comparison though between Wall and Crawford. Wall can run the floor and push the ball like few athletes in the NBA. In at least one and perhaps two areas he’s already in an elite class (e.g. fastest point guards, good vision). Crawford isn’t exceptional in any one area by NBA standards. Truth is he’s not really even average in any one area — at least not measured against veterans at his position. Against rookies though he shows promise. He’s a great competitor too, which suggests he’s got what it takes to improve his game to a level where he can find a place and stick around.
by Vegas010 on May 23, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didnt think Wall's court vision was that special this season
Crawford may have had more “wow” passes than Wall, or at least a comparable amount. No doubt Wall is as fast as anybody in the league though, and that’s a special asset in today’s nba
strongly disagree
After watching them in college Wall was a consensus number one pick while Crawford, though undervalued, was still a late round pick. Wall went ahead of him precisely because he is by far the better long term prospect. He is younger , far superior athletically, and significantly more raw. He Is much earlier in his developmental progression than Crawford. Hence why he starts, despite the lack of polish.
I think Jordan Crawford is a monster. He is an absolute competitor, and that is what maximizes skill.
by spotless on May 23, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i didnt realize JCraw was 2yrs older than Wall, that's huge.
However I do think last season he was right there with Wall in what they could do…while in 2yrs hopefully Wall is an MVP candidate
All in all, I suppose it’s safe to say that he just needs to become an all-around smarter basketball player. Higher-percentage shots, fewer off-balance shots, finding his spots, not trying to do too much, not turning the ball over, getting the ball back to his PG quicker, getting to the foul line more, becoming more aware on defense. Just becoming more aware in all facets.
You mean, he has to play more like Nick Young?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Every SG does not need to be Nick Young
Every PG does not need to be John Wall.
Every PF/C does not need to be a 7+ foot monster rebounder with astounding post defense.
Right now I am watching a PF whose game is mid range to three point range jumpers and who has defense has mostly been questioned intensely. I am watching a shoot first-PG that scraps on the boards and is definitely not the prototype.
I understand your ‘thing’ for a prototype 6’ 5" SG and so on. I understand the idea of sufficient size is required to play D, but I saw a more successful team when Wall and Crawford started together this year.
My point Rook, and to all, is that you really need to be creative in today’s NBA. John Wall is a start, but Miami is going to be a force to be reckoned with throughout the John Wall era, and Ernie is going to have to be really creative if we are going to be successful. If a 6’ 4"(?) 195 lb. SG has the heart to compete with the Miami Heat, if a guy shows he really wants to and can compete, then he measures up for me.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah - I was just pulling your chain....
You said he had to shoot better, defend better, etc… Things that Young has started to understand that HE has to do….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
As long as he understands
What he needs to improve, and improves it, he will be good. And I am very confident that he can do that. Something I absolutely can not sat about Javale.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
agree 100%
which is exactly why we dont need to give up a lot to move up and get Kanter. If he falls to 6th great….but a traditional, low-post scoring Big is no longer needed to win an nba title. Not at all really, the game has completely changed. Great if you have that guy if he can also defend, but now it’s just as legit to look for your scoring 1-3 and rely on 4-5 to be defensive oriented guys who control the paint.
Typing that made me feel perhaps Bismack is a better prospect than I’ve given him credit to be…
If we get Kanter great, but if we dont and instead get a defensive big then grab a big time SF in next year’s draft…that’s really just as likely a successful route nowadays. Gotta play the hand you are dealt, if trading the 18th means getting Kanter then it’s not such big deal….but if teams are looking to get JC or Mcgee or future picks…no thanks
But you're overlooking
that Anter has inside and outside game. He is a very well rounded, highly skilled big. And if I recall the last 6 or so titles have been won with bigs that are a presence in the paint and stretch out defenses with their jumper (Gasol, KG, Duncan, Rasheed).
KG and Duncan are just as much defense as offense
Rasheed was very good defensively for that Pistons team. Pau played with a league MVP.
IMHO, if Kanter cant defend very well than he’s not worth as much as stats would indicate. Look at KLove, ZBo, Al Jeff….what’s the winning% between them on their careers? Relatively high usage Bigs who score and rebound but dont defend, players like that are kind of a mirage. We saw that with AJ and his near 20/10 seasons firsthand….imo our Bigs have to be defensive stalwarts or they are probably not worth having despite how good they may look on paper. That doesnt mean Kanter has to be terrific defensively or anything, but if he’s similar to KLove or AJ I just dont think it would equate to success for us.
Say What??
No way that’s right! Kevin Love is a baller! Zack Randolph is one of the main reasons Memphis almost made the conference finals! And truth be told Antawn Jamison was a hell of a stretch 4. I wish we had someone like him now! Bigs have to score too…and especially rebound. I would they’d be fine defenders. However, for some big talents, some defense is good. Is Carlos
Boozer a great defender. Would you want him on your team?
No and no. Boozer looks past his prime.
Boozer now looks like a PF who has trouble scoring and definitely cant guard anyone. Note to Carlos: dont talk smack about Chris Bosh, you are not Kevin Durant.
You can make the case that Dirk is a very bad defensive PF….but he’s one of the greatest scorers in the history of the league. I’ll take it.
But overall I don’t want primary Bigs who are slow footed….just my opinion on how we should build the team
couple difference between Kanter and the guys listed
he’s a couple inches taller than jefferson and love. and he’s in way better shape than love, jefferson, and ZBO. they all probably have double the body fat. that’s their main problem on defense – being slow cause their weight/shape. i have no clue how he’ll play defense, although i’d guess he’ll struggle at first just cause most players new to the league do, but wouldn’t be deterred by potential issues that we really have nothing to indicate that those are potential issues. his athleticism is good enough to be solid on defense. ultimately his mentality will probably decide if he’s good at it or not. does he have the desire to be good on defense or is he just going to be happy getting his?
oh and i'm not saying dont draft Kanter
just dont give up Crawford or Mcgee to do it. Or next year’s 1st rounder
I agree to keep JC and McGee
That would be a very steep price. We have enough other assets that we should be able to move up without sending one of them. We have 6, 18, 34, Seraphin, cash, and cap space at our disposal. We certainly shouldn’t give them all up, but we should do what’s necessary to trade up for Kanter without sacrificing from the 6 players that have the strong potential to be a part of our future core (Wall, Youn, Crawford, Booker, Blatche, McGee).
If a 6’ 4"(?) 195 lb. SG has the heart to compete with the Miami Heat, if a guy shows he really wants to and can compete, then he measures up for me.
I assume you’re talking about D-Wade there…. who is actually 6-5 (actually 6’ 4.75", which the NBA rounds up to 6’5") , but he has an incredible 6-11 wingspan, which of course allows him to play like a guy 6’7" or bigger….
Jordan Crawford has a more pedestrian 6’7" wingspan, which allows him to play like a guy….. well……..6’4"
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Height, in and of itself, is not the ONLY criteria that I value in a “prototypical” Shooting Guard….
For instance, a 6’7" player with alligator arms wouldn’t meet with my approval either….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I just meant that Crawford may be small
But he poured it on against Miami. And he has it in him to compete with whomever, wherever, whenever.
For example, as a highschooler, on Lebron, at Lebron’s skills academy…
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is a really big asset in basketball
When Andray Blatche can step on a court with KG and think “Damn, I am bout to get bent over and spanked again,” you see the difference. You see him take a step back. When Javale gets on the court and thinks, “Well I won’t be having that great a game tonight. I mean, its Dwight Howard. I am supposed to lose this battle.” Then we really don’t have a chance. We lost before the tip. That is basketball.
But when Crawford(or Nick for that matter) play against Wade or Bryant, with the mind set of, “I might just get the better of this guy tonight,” then we are going to be competitive at the very least.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly -- that competitive mindset
Which we were lacking for much of the year, causing Wall to call the team out. I think Booker has that same competitive fire. Enes Kanter seems to have it; regardless of whether we can get him or not, we need to find two of those players in this draft. We need to continue revamp the mentality of this lockerroom. Thankfully, we’ve got the ideal leader on and off the court in John Wall. And thankfully, that mentality seems to be infectious.
I do believe though that once McGee puts forth a more consistent effort night in and night out, dominates the centers that he should and puts up a better showing against those that are better than he is, a more positive mentality will snowball. The more success he has, particularly against the Dwight Howards’ of the NBA, the more likely he is to realize that, ‘hey, I can play with these guys and I can beat them.’
I think McGee is too often lumped with Blatche in that lack-of-trying-lack-of-caring mold. I think the major difference is that McGee wants to be great, while Blatche just doesn’t care all that much to be great, to be an NBA leading man. To win the dunk contest. etc. He’s a guy that will settle for being good, settling on perhaps taking a discount instead of trying to earn as much as he can in a contract year. Settling to be the #1 go-to guy that can put up numbers on a bad team. This, of course, is just my sideline analysis and I’m an overly harsh critic of a guy I’ve never met before.
For the most part of McGee’s career, being great meant dunking on and blocking NBA stars. Getting on sportscenter. I think that’s still a goal of his, he’ll always have a bit of that Hollywood showtime, but I think his ultimate goal is to be recognized as among the best centers in all of the NBA. Which he’s nowhere close (though he surely thinks he’s closer than we do). But I think the better we become as a team, the more success he has against the better bigs in the NBA, and the more recognition he receives in the press, the more he will continue to develop. I think it will all snowball, until everyone discusses that season where “the light switch went on” and he began to “get it.” Because the day he puts up 20 and 15 on Dwight Howard is the day that he will be identified as a premier center. That could be 3 years off, who knows, but I do think that’s McGee’s ultimate goal. It just may continue to take a while to get there as he commits to learning and performing the nuances of the game that will ultimately allow him to do so.
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry for the tangent!
but yes, um, Crawford! His competitive nature can only be an asset, and seems to bode well in terms of fulfilling his potential.
Crawford going against Young in practice every day should be a major benefit for both. Especially considering that, by many accounts, Young routinely dominates practice
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. But Year 4 of Crawford will almost undoubtedly be the better player than Year 4 of Young
And of course, a lot of that will have to do with playing time — NY was never given the early benefit of minutes that Crawford already has been (and will continue to be) exposed to.
Crawford doesn’t have the size, wingspan or the insane vertical to contest shots that Young has (though, interestingly enough, even though he’s smaller Crawford has a higher standing reach), and so his potential as a perimeter defender probably won’t reach Young’s. And Young will always be a better jump shooter. But as a rookie, Crawford displayed an aptitude for various skills that Young still doesn’t possess — he’s a much better passer, a more active rebounder, grabs twice as many steals, is a better slasher, and is better with his left.
As returnofswagger mentions, Crawford doesn’t have to be — and really shouldn’t be — Nick Young. He provides a different skillset, a greater variance of strengths, then Young. Which, of course, keeps NY relevant as an important asset and hopefully one that we keep (even if we have to overpay him with a 4 year contract).
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it keeps them both relevant
Gives them both their role. And gives them both a reason to play for their lives. And also puts the coach and front office in a good position.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That's right
So keep them both. And honestly, I’m of the opinion that I’d take a year 7 Nick Young over a year 4 Jordan Crawford. I’m very impressed at what Young was able to do with his first chance to start. He revamped his whole style of play and now has a game that can be an element within a well balanced offense. I think JC can develop to be a real asset and key cog in our success, but don’t feel his strengths would complement our starting unit as well as Nick’s strengths.
Definitely agree with this.
Nick Young on Chicago right now could very well be the difference in that series. Jordan Crawford on the other hand…
by Max Zamphirescu on May 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not counting the Bulls out
But they could really use another wing guy. Desperately. It is disgusting to watch, whoever the one guy is on offense, or when they throw Korver in and he is engulfed by Wade or James.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick's injury might have been a blessing in disguise
Out of sight, out of mind. His breakout was really only for a couple of months. Not to say a team like Chicago won’t make an offer, but it’s not like they have cap space for a max deal. Are they really going to use their last cap room for the next 3-4 years and have their fate hinge on Nick Young?
For us, though we may not want to, Nick Young not living up to his contract isn’t the same gamble as it would be for Chicago because we have financial flexibility and Crawford. I don’t see them breaking the bank to gamble on Young and if they make a reasonable offer, we can match it.
Now if Nick had stayed healthy and kept playing at his MIP award level through the whole season, we might have been in trouble.
I don't think it is THAT risky for anybody to sign Nick
And whoever gives him the contract will not see it as that risky either. Unless somebody offers something outrageous, which I doubt.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 24, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
No one will make an outrageous offer. His injury helped that. CBA helps even more. I think we’ll likely match his offers, if he gets any.
3 months of production
In a 4 year career isn’t gonna make a team back up the Brinks truck.
He looks invaluable to the Bulls right now.
Korver cant get a shot off against the Heat defense AND he cant guard anyone. Brewer can guard but he’s never going to score. Nick can get his shot off 20x/game vs the Heat (if that’s what Thibs wanted) AND he can guard Wade and even Lebron for stretches. He looks like a player that could potentially have been the difference in winning/losing the series for the Bulls. Who knows what they may offer him, if they believe he can buy in to Thibs ways
IMO
Theyre more likely to sign Jason Richardson for cheap and maybe package their picks to move up for Marshon Brooks. Get both those guys for the price of Nick.
Richardson could be a target of Chicago’s – but he’s not a very good defender as a Shooting Guard – he’s a better defender when playing SF… He rebounds and assists better than Nick… but Nick is the better perimeter defender…
Richardson made $14.4 million last year and was greatly overpaid – but he’s still a valuable player and can still score…. I doubt he’ll be on the market on the “cheap”… I can see him being offered a MLE type deal… Which is exactly the kind of deal that most here on BF are balking at giving Nick.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If he learned from this season----
and works on his shot and improves his shooting % he can be a quality asset off the bench or starting at the 2.
I like what I saw so far. No chest thumping when he makes it and no whining when he misses or thinks a foul should be called. (Pay attention Nick & Dray)
He's earned a warm place in my heart.
Started with him dunking on Lebron and getting the tape confiscated. Next he torched us in summer league. Finally, he arrives for the 1/3 of the season when we have nothing to play for and gives us a reason to watch. Yeah he had some ugly games, but he was sure to turn my head at least once. I hope he can become a great 6th man for years to come.
Wally's World
not sure why Wizards fans dump on Mcgee.
Mcgee had a very good season was a high fg% scorer, great shot bloker interior defensive presence, and solid rebounder.
I think his ceiling is ridiculous high based on the development of his post game which is improving.
Mcgee gets knocked for playing around awful defenders at pf,pg, sf and sg in that order just alittle resistance would aid Mcgee tremendously.
as for Crawfod I voted 7 based on his talent he has real pg skills as well as spurt scoring skills gotta eliminate the bad shots but he’s a willing passer unlike Blackhole Nick Young.
by jazzy1 on May 24, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't understand why
Wiz fans dump on Nick or McGee. You gotta support one and not the other. You gotta hate Young if you like Crawford. I see Nick and JaVale as very likely long term starters. JC can emerge as a 6th man of the year candidate.
Blatche is the biggest question mark in my opinion because of his attitude, conditioning, off court decision making, on court decision making, lack of defense, lack of effort and inefficient offense. Stop hating on everyone else and focus on Blatche. Lol. Sad thing is that he’s probably the most talented of all of them.
To me, the most impressive thing...
… is that Crawford landed a triple double in the very first start at PG in his career. I can’t think of anyone who’s done this. And that was a night after the 39 points.
Also, I guess advanced metrics says that JC has worse shot selection than NY, but my eyeball test says otherwise (though it is limited). I saw Nick throw up a lot more ridiculous shots IMO.
by Kenny Sky Walker on May 26, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
McGee Needs to Add Weight
If McGee adds about 20 pounds, he wouldn’t get pushed around so much. Adding weight may limit his jumping ability but should improve his rebounding ability as well as his ability to hold his defensive positions. Thus, his overall defense should improve and his contribution to the team would be considerably enhanced. That’s my take.
Wild Bill
by William C Harrison on May 27, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions

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