Can the Wizards Save Cleveland?
For most teams outside of the lucky few that get a chance to draft ultra elite players like MJ, Kobe (draft day trade), Timmy, and LeBron, winning in the NBA can be short lived at best. Even sometimes when you do draft a player of that elite 1%, they might make a "decision" to leave your franchise. Winning is tough and no two franchises have had their chairs pulled out from underneath them quicker then the Wizards and Cavs have. Luckily for the Wizards their transition to rebuilding mode has been easier to swallow with the arrival of John Wall, while for Cleveland the pain and wounds are very much still raw. I find it hard to imagine, thinking back as to how heated the rivalry was between these two franchises not all that long ago, what with the "crab dribble", Soulja Boy, hand waving, and more, that perhaps now it's the Wizards that could save the Cavs future.
Outside of the two lottery picks the Cavs have in their pocket, there's little else steering their franchise into better weather, in fact the Cavs have positioned themselves to be in a very precarious spot, since their roster is filled with inferior players, but also the Cavs have basically no cap room. Currently the Cavs have 12 players under contract for next season at $55 mil. You can easily point to the contracts that come along with Baron Davis, Antawn Jamison, and Anderson Varejao and their nearly $37 million combined price tag as serious weights holding back the Cavs progress.
This is where I believe the Wizards can use the cap room they've created and space on their roster to throw the Cavs a life raft by taking some of those lofty contracts off of Cleveland's books in exchange for one extremely large contract.
In a dream scenario for Cleveland they land the top overall pick and select Kyrie Irving, but with Baron Davis already under contract, few available dollars, and absolutely nothing at SF, the Cavs hand could be forced to take Derrick Williams. This is how the Wizards can help the Cavs, by taking Baron Davis off of their hands and allowing them to begin their rebuilding process with Irving, much like the Wizards did with Wall last year.
Washington acquires Baron Davis, Antawn Jamison, and the Cavs 2nd 1st rd pick
in exchange for
Rashard Lewis and the Wizards 18th pick.
Basically as I see it, the Wizards are swapping out one awful contract for another awful contract (Davis') and one year stuck paying AJ $15 mil, but get them out of paying Lewis $22 mil next season and because they're still going to have buy him out in the off season and be stuck paying him another $10 mil in the process. Most importantly the Wizards add another top 10 pick this year.
For Cleveland they save over $6 million in cap room, while it gives them freedom to start over with Irving, yet still add a second quality player with the 18th pick...perhaps that SF.
For Washington, a team with at least $15 mil in available cap space no matter how the new CBA shakes out, takes on two high dollar vets for one extremely high contract, but with so much roster space available and needing some veteran presence the Wizards kill two birds with one stone, while only costing them an extra $6 mill this season and $5 mil next season.
Obviously the reason for this trade is to acquire another top 10 pick. This would allow them to draft either Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter, or Kawhi Leonard with their lottery pick and either Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo, or Alec Burks depending on who slips with the pick acquired from Cleveland in this deal
Could you imagine Jamison coming back to DC for that $15 mil EG inked the deal for? Could Baron co-exist with Wall? Could Baron slide to the SG at times? Isn't this the BOYD strategy we discuss? What do you think?
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First off, I have absolutely no sympathy for Cleveland
LBJ didn’t suddenly become a jackass on The Decision. He was always a douchebag. Amazing player, and probably the best athlete alive, but terrible person. Cleveland’s obsession with him and years of defending his complaining, traveling and whining made me sick. I remember Brian Windhorst wrote that Darius Songaila should have been suspended for multiple games for “punching” LBJ. Cleveland got what it deserved.
As for the trade you proposed, I am against it just because this is such a weak draft.
Also, Cleveland Cavaliers’ cap space is pretty irrelevant. No free agent is going to sign there. The Cavs are better off holding all these bad contracts, and the trading them as expirings. If Gilbert is willing to pay them, which he seems willing to do, then they should keep stockpiling these contracts to use in the future.
I think both the Wiz and Cavs would be well-suited to tank next year for the 2012 draft.
by John Park Williams on May 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Exactly
Excellent comment, you summed up both teams’ situations perfectly.
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by pantslessyoda1 on May 13, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This
He was always a douchebag. Amazing player, and probably the best athlete alive, but terrible person.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on May 13, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow JPW
You said the words my heart has felt since Lebron left and pity was almost expected by all other sports fans for the city and fans of Cleveland.
But it’s funny because I would imagine they are kind of fans of ours now because they know we hate their guy nearly as much as they now do.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
by returnofswagger on May 16, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A trade will happen only if Wiz ends up with the top pick
While I understand your thinking, i believe the cavs will reserve what little ammunition they have left to secure the top pick, if they were not lucky enough to win the lottery. They want Kyrie Irving. Derrick Williams will be more successful at the 4 initially (debatable), which can be a problem with Hickson being the lone bright spot on the Cavs roster.
by DThorn on May 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting idea . . .
There’s been some talk that Jamison might retire though. I agree with the idea in principle though of looking at moving up with the 18th pick to get into the late lottery.
Still very early in the process though. Things will become a little more clear once the lottery slots get drawn.
Not really sure how the Wizards had the chairs pulled out from underneath them. Three straight finishes in the worst 5 teams isn’t exactly the mark of a good team. Even at the team’s height, they were basically a .500 squad. Also, I feel the Cleveland-Washington “rivalry” was overstated. I know Washington fans did not like Cleveland, but there was no real rivalry with Cleveland (the Cavs were way better and always won) and Cleveland’s real rival was win good teams like the Magic or Celtics.
That said, the trade doesn’t make much sense on either side. Taking on several bad contracts for a lottery pick in a terrible draft isn’t worth it. for Washington. Nor is it really good for Cleveland to lose a young player simply for salary relief. their owner has deep enough pockets.
Like DThorn said, the trade is most enticing if we have the 1st pick
but if we also have the 4th or 5th pick, this is also a possible trade opportunity, depending on what picks the Cavs have.
As with the pieces from Cleveland that could end up here in the trade you mention:
1. Baron Davis – I don’t think it’s worth our while getting him because we have Crawford and Wall at the guard positions. If Wall really has grown to 6’5" in shoes, then if Baron did come here, we could have Davis as the defensive PG.
2. Antawn Jamison – He could be a stopgap measure for one of the forward positions at the very least and is a consistent force on offense and on the boards. His man to man defense is suspect, but his deficiencies can be masked when put with a Booker or hopefully another player we can pick up. Every team masks deficiencies as much as they can.
The issue with him coming back is that this team is a completely different one than the one for the 2009-2010 season. He was one of the franchise players two years ago and a clear leader of the team. At least on the leadership front, will he be fine as a sage?
Yeah...
Bringing Jamison back into a locker room with Andray is begging for trouble…Baron Davis at SHOOTING GUARD? WHAT IF HE STARTS SHOOTING???
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 14, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
no need to bring in re-tread Jamison (yes he was a good guy) but again let’s move on continue to move forward.
And plus he's just not that good at this point
Hopefully he can relive some of that 6th man effectiveness somewhere as his career comes to an end.
AJ will be a Wizard again eventually.
But just as a formality so he can retire as a Wizard.
by MR on May 15, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Cleveland took on Davis’ contract in exchange for the Clippers’ lottery pick. What you’re proposing is for them to simply undo that trade – give up that pick to get Davis off the books. They did it in the first place to buy an extra lottery pick – what has changed? They still need lots more pieces more so than cap space. They wouldn’t do this deal.
it still amazes that the Clippers traded their 2011 1st round pick
just to get Baron Davis off the team. I mean, the guy can’t be that bad! If he really did present a problem to the young players, then they should have just Keyshauned his ass and told him to stay away.
by John Park Williams on May 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You are failing to see the long term picture
The Clippers have a great young nucleus…. Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon, Al-Farouq Aminu, DeAndre Jordan, Eric Bledsoe, etc…
They added a good veteran in Mo Williams (an upgrade over Baron in my opinion – especially in the locker room)…
Now they have room for at least ONE max contract this off-season…. and even more cap room than than that if they wait until 2012…
Would that trade look look different to you if the Clippers were able to land Yao Ming, Nene or Tayshawn Prince this off season?
What if Dwight Howard gets the itch to play next to a young group of players in Los Angeles on a team NOT named the Lakers in 2012? Howard and Griffin could become an almost unstoppable front court….
Or how about if Chris Paul decides L.A. might be a nice city to live in?
Would that change your mind about the trade of a top 5 pick in a very suspect draft to get rid of a locker room cancer?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
my understanding is that it saved the Clips slightly less than $5 million next season, and $5 million in 2012
factoring in cap holds, that puts them around $52 million next season (assuming they decline the option on Jamario Moon). If the cap is set at $59 million, that is only $7 million this summer. (Please correct me if my numbers are way off).
If they do somehow get Nene, then yes, INCREDIBLE trade. But Nene would have to sign to essentially an identical contract that he is currently under. Furthermore, the Nuggets have given all indications that they will match most offers.
I don’t think that Yao Ming would give them anything.
Tayshaun Prince is intriguing, but Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu & Jordan are all three years away from being intelligent NBA players (Gordon is obviously much, much closer than the other three). I would be worried that Prince would be pretty worthless by the time they become serious contenders.
As for Dwight Howard, I don’t think the Clippers have any shot at him. And even if they did, there are far too many variables that could happen that you shouldn’t be sending out 1st round picks this far in advance. Wait til next trading deadline to maneuver yourself for Howard.
Furthermore, the Clippers have Randy Foye and Kaman coming off the books in 2012 anyway, amounting to $17 million. Assuming they pick 8th, that would be $3 million in 2012, plus BD’s $5 million, that would still give the Clips at least $9 million to pursue DH (and they could easily trade away some pieces).
Also, if you are the Clippers, why make that deal at the deadline? Why not wait until after the lottery? Do the Cavaliers really say no to that trade in June?
How would you feel if the Wizards traded AB and their 2011 #1 for Francisco Garcia? Granted, the Wizards pick was worth more than the Clippers, but, you see my point.
I just look at the way the Thunder have stockpiled lottery picks, and I don’t see how turning down a Top-10-pick-role-player makes sense? Wouldn’t Biyombo look great backing up Griffen/Jordan?
by John Park Williams on May 15, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You like apples?
How do you like this idea now? Things look a little differently after the lottery. Taking on Davis and Jamison to get the 4th pick (Kanter), while keeping the 6th (Leonard or Vesely) sounds pretty good and it begins to fill out their roster.

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