Kelly Dwyer on the Craziness of Gilbert Arenas
Gilbert saying Gilbert things...
about 1 year ago
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He still thinks he is a superstar...
He did have ONE good night against the Hawks. But even during that game, what stood out most to me was a drive to the hoop with 12 seconds left…Gilbert has really lost a step…He couldn’t get past Josh Smith and threw up an ugly layup attempt that Dwight Howard cleaned up….It took him 18 shots to get that 20 points.
Is Jameer Nelson that much better? No, not really. But at least Jameer doesn’t think that he can put up 25 ppg…
I usually think people are too harsh on Arenas, and I also think that you have to believe in YOURSELF, but Gilbert is taking things a step too far.
So here's my thought on this
And I told Kelly this on Twitter.
Kelly lays it thick on Arenas, somewhat justifiably, I guess. Gil hasn’t earned more than the role he’s been given. But other than bad PR and his team ultimately winning in the end, what separates Gil from what Brandon Roy did after Game 2 in Portland? Both are former superstars. Both were given huge contracts despite the organization knowing the injury risks. Both are a shell of themselves. Both have been awful when playing. And yet Roy’s comments — which happened before he broke out, mind you — are excused as a frustrated player going through an inner struggle, whereas Gilbert’s are him being delusional.
I think it’s a bit of a double-standard.
Thats a good comparison...however...
Brandon has never been suspended or in legal trouble like Gilbert has, so I wouldn’t call it a double-standard.
I’ve always thought that what Gilbert did was blown WAY out of proportion and his suspension for the “finger guns” incident was absurd…but still, there’s a difference between what he said and what Roy said.
Roy’s comments were right after a playoff game-a game the Blazers lost-and he was understandably emotional…he thought he could contribute to help his team win.
Im not sure when “Slam” did their interview with Gillie, but he wasn’t just lobbying for more playing time…he thinks he can still put up the same numbers with more PT.
And to be honest Roy’s 18 point-4th quarter was much more exciting…his team won, and he was carried off the hero…Gil’s 20 point game was pretty ordinary. he took 18 shots, and half went in. He was on for one night…and if Orlando had a capable PG he would’ve probably logged another DNP-coach’s decision
The suspension for finger guns wasn't absurd
Who knows what else could have happened if he wasn’t suspended before he was convicted?
But otherwise I agree, there is no double standard on former All Stars who break out one game in the playoffs, because Roy didn’t do anything stupid off the court (that we know of) and his team won the game.
Well, I'm throwing that aside
I’m saying if you just focus on his comments, and ignore the other baggage, there’s a bit of a double standard.
whups..........We can agree to disagree i guess...I dont think im gonna be able to change your mind about this
but still…I think the context is important. I don’t think that SLAM interview was right after a game….when a player is emotional…especially after not having gotten any PT in a big game. Gil has gotten many chances to prove himself and earn more PT…its not like Jameer is an all-star. Plus, Roy apologized for what he said.
Thoughts on Gilbert's bragging
I think sportswriters, and really writers in general, are very particular about words because it’s their job. If a sportswriter pens a story that is less than truthful, his reputation will likely suffer.
In contrast, I think he’s underestimating the need athletes have to feel a certain way. Kobe is Kobe in part because he thinks he’s unstoppable. Ankle injury? Who cares? He’s Kobe Bryant. That’s his mentality.
Athletes at the end of their careers need that ego to keep playing through the pain that develops over playing. Athletes, like Gilbert, who have gone through extensive rehab need to believe “it’s the same knee.” to keep themselves motivated. If Gilbert starting thinking to himself, “I’ll never been the same” and started admitting it openly, maybe sportswriters would cheer his honesty, but would he have the same drive? the same passion?
I have not watched enough games of the Orlando Magic to determine if he what he’s saying about Gilbert’s inability to play within a system is true. I do know that he struggled at times to play within the system in Washington. I’d say that he’s less selfish than some writers are making him out to be, but more selfish than he thinks he is.
In the end, I found Gilbert’s comments pretty human, and Dwyer’s assessment a bit harsh.
Logical fallacy
but pro-rated over 36 minutes of action per contest with the Magic this season, Arenas is averaging 13.2 points, 5.3 assists and four rebounds per game. It’s entirely possible that Arenas could make up that 12-point, five-rebound, and one-assist gulf in two more minutes per game, as he predicts, but you’d have to be under the influence of crazy to do so.
The implication (as always with that particular family of stats) is that per-36 numbers reliably translate. In other words, that you should expect 1/2 of the per-36 production if the player plays 18 minutes per game. That you should expect 4/3 of the per-36 production if the player plays 48 minutes per game. On face, its not an entirely unreasonable expectation, but can be proven by countless examples not to be a reliable indicator of what to expect when a player does start (or stop) getting 36 minutes per game.
No word on how an increase in minutes would significantly help Arenas’ ungodly 34.4 percent shooting mark from the field,
That’s easy. Among other things, a steady flow of minutes is an indication of the coach’s confidence in the player. He’s on a short leash. Coach’s confidence, or lack thereof, can be (and has been) effective in influencing a player’s effectiveness. That can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
In addition, lack of steady minutes means lack of an opportunity to get into the flow of the game, create expectations from game to game, understand your role on the team, gain confidence from contributing, and so on. Yeah, I hear you, he should be ready whenever his number is called, but that’s not a realist’s outlook on the world (in other words, should is a nice word for politicans and dreamers).
or the brain that tells him to shoot over six 3-pointers for every 36 minutes he plays despite managing just a 27.5 percent mark from long range,
Its Orlando. They’re Dwight Howard and three point shooters. Aside from that, Gil’s best chance to stay on the floor is for him to hit some threes. Can’t fault him for trying to stay on the floor. In addition, he’s a career 35% three point shooter. Can’t fault him for trying to reinstate a once effective element of his game.
I’m really surprised to read this from you, Kelley. You’re one of my most respected national bball writers, but I think you’re way off this time.
Career 3pt shooter but shooting 27% this year.
How can the coach keep him on the floor while he shoots like that? Plus, teams don’t play Gil the way they used too. He doesn’t get extra attention…Playing with Dwight and with a plethora of good shooters like JJ Redick, Ryan Anderson, Turk, J-Rich, gives Gil more driving lanes..Shouldn’t it be easier for him in Orlando than it was with the Wizards?
jones-y, maybe Kelly was a bit harsh, but mostly he was right. I think your Gilbert fandom is blinding you from seeing the player he has become.
How can the coach keep him on the floor while he shoots like that?
How does he get his shooting touch back without minutes and shots? I see your chicken and raise you an egg.
jones-y, maybe Kelly was a bit harsh, but mostly he was right. I think your Gilbert fandom is blinding you from seeing the player he has become.
I’m not the type to be a fanboi, so that line of reasoning doesn’t fit. Perhaps your bias is preventing you from seeing the player he was in his first action upon return from the knee surgery.
He is, at the very least, the guy that averaged 22/7 the first half of last year. There’s no good reason to believe that that player is somehow still sitting in a halfway house in DC. There’s every good reason to believe that confidence and situation are huge factors.
In a playoff series, and when competing for seeding
you can’t play a 3-pt shooter, shooting 27% from three, in hopes of him finding his shot again, especially in Gil’s case, where SVG couldn’t be sure there was even anything there anymore.
Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.
Stress fractures are inevitable when you kick as much ass as Trevor Booker does.
by returnofswagger on Apr 30, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You can play him if no one else is hitting a damn thing either.
Simply by virtue of his past accomplishments. Note, that SVG stuck with the Turk…
There’s every good reason to believe that confidence and situation are huge factors.
Very true. Confidence is a big factor that affects how player performs….buuuuut in Orlando he has better shooters and Dwight F**king Howard to pass off to in pick-and-roll situations…Orlando’s style of play should’ve helped Gil…instead, Gil did worse. And I don’t think you can blame his shooting all on his confidence.
Plus, from those comments, does he really sound like he’s lacking in confidence? Maybe he’s just saying those things because he doubts his own game…but then again he could really believe he can perform at that level if given the chance. And I dont see that as being possible.
No worries, like I say, I'm not the type to develop emotional attachments to players
So the same applies to discussions about those players!
Plus, from those comments, does he really sound like he’s lacking in confidence?
That’s exactly what he sounds like. Like he’s trying to pump his own confidence up.
This is just another case of
Gil being Gil. Placing the blame on someone else’s shoulders.
When he got hurt, it was the training staff’s fault. When he play’s bad, it’s the coache’s fault. Give me more minutes and I will play the way you want me to play.
And I’m sorry but giving him more minutes is not going to improve his shooting percentage much. he was shooting 40% here. The difference was he was getting to the line, due to his fearlessness, something he doesn’t seem to have anymore (as he is worried about his knee).
He can put the blame on other people as long as he wants, but until he starts taking responsibility for his faults, they aren’t going to get any better.
























