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2011 Draft Prospect Profile - Derrick Williams

A kid that has been rocketing up the draft boards all year is Derrick Williams, Sophomore at Arizona. Early in the year, he was mentioned as a "possible" late-first round pick. I was like, eh.... Yawn... Wizards will be bad enough to get a top 6 pick, so this guy doesn't interest me. By the time half the season had elapsed, I was hearing about this player from Arizona putting up very nice numbers. 20 points a game. 8 rebounds and shooting 61% from the field. I decided I better set my DVR to record some Arizona games. I haven't been disappointed.

The first game I watched (against Cal), Williams put up 31 points and 12 rebounds. Cal had no one that could stop him... Williams shot 22 free throws and almost single-handed fouled out two of Cal's front line players and had several others in foul trouble. Williams shot 7-12 (58%) in that game and his overall shooting percentage for this year went DOWN. Derrick Williams was all over the court... doing his very best impression of the cartoon Tasmanian devil. High energy. Constant motion. There was everyone else playing basketball, and then there was Derrick Williams playing at a faster speed....

The next game I watched was the Stanford game. Williams looked distinctly less energetic in this game than in the Cal game. He had 6 turn overs, some on mistakes because he looked unfocused. He did show off a nice touch from beyond the College 3-point line, hitting both of his shots from there - and he hit the defensive boards hard... But again, he simply looked unfocused and inattentive. He was frequently caught out of position and got into foul trouble. This was a weird game in the fact that I didn't see the Derrick Williams I was expecting to see. He looked distracted and, well, definitely NOT Tasmanian devil-like.

The following game against Arizona State, Williams dominated again. He scored 31 points on 8-12 shooting, and was continually being fouled by the Sun Devils - making 15 of 16 free throws. Defensively he looked much more energetic, snagging 10 boards and generally wrecking havoc on defense. He got his hands on a number of balls and disrupted the AZ State offense more than a few times with terrific defensive plays. In general Williams looked more like what I expected to see: A player that played hard on every possession, giving everything he had for the entire game.

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Derrick Williams is a 6'8" 240 pound Sophomore combo forward with a classic "tweener" body. And although Williams is long (7-plus foot wingspan) he possesses just average athleticism and quickness. What separates Williams from others is his unrelenting motor, polished and diverse offensive repertoire, remarkable instincts and his high basketball IQ. So while some NBA General Managers are drooling over high fliers with raw basketball skills and low basketball IQ's, Derrick Williams is quietly becoming a well rounded basketball player and flying under the radar the whole time.

Offensively, Williams has a wide ranging arsenal at his disposal. As with most promising young players, he loves to get out in transition, usually finishing with a thundering two-handed dunk. He has average ball handling skills.... and that's OK for a Power Forward, but he'll need to improve in that area if he wants to play on the wing. He's got a very quick first step, and he can dribble in a straight line to the basket - but if he meets resistance, or has to change directions, he can get into trouble. Once he receives the ball, he makes quick decisive movements - you don't see any Blatche-like hesitation, or holding the ball for any length of time. Milliseconds, and Williams is doing something with the ball.

His jump shot is a bit slow on the release, but his mechanics are otherwise sound. He's got a nice high release with good rotation and puts good arc on the ball. He's extremely accurate to the College 3-point line with nice touch on his shot - and he's very effective in catch-and-shoot situations. He is shooting a fabulous 62.2% from the College 3-point line, although it's on only 49 shots; so with time, he should become a better than average NBA 3-point threat. Arizona ran the pick-and-roll frequently with Williams, and he shows nice potential for the play at the next level, with great hands and good timing. He sets good solid picks, (obviously getting, and more importantly listening to good coaching). Although I didn't see any actual pick-and-pop plays run, Williams' improving jump shot bodes well in that area as well.

He has the ability to create his own shot off the dribble. Defenders have to respect his terrific first step and the fact that he is a tremendous finisher at the rim - so it gives Williams the opportunity to use a jab step and step back to give all the room he needs to get his shot off. That ability to go one-on-one and either get off a clean jump shot, or drive to the rim will be his bread and butter in the NBA.

Williams loves to mix it up inside and is a very special post up player, shooting a terrific 79% in the immediate basket area this year. He utilizes a number of advanced post moves to get his shots off over bigger and taller players. He uses angles and pump fakes effectively. He's got good footwork and great hands. He's got a real nice soft touch inside, able to spin the ball off the backboard from odd angles - and he can finish effectively with either hand. Williams is much stronger than he looks at first glance, and he can finish inside even through excessively heavy contact; as evidenced by the fact that he shoots an almost unheard of 11.7 free throws per game. He converts those free shots at a very good 76% clip too.

Williams has been nothing short of fantastic as an inside presence for Arizona - But at 6'8" I expect he'll get his shot blocked more, and he may not be as efficient (79%) inside at the next level. The fact that he can move the ball around, has great footwork, utilizes good fakes and is strong inside - means that he sould still be able to post up smaller players effectively in the NBA - just not at 79%; AND he makes his Free Throws, which is always a huge plus.

As a rebounder, Williams is only adequate, averaging 10.9 per 40 pace adjusted. That's a terrific number for a Small Forward - unfortunately, he's playing PF at Arizona, and those numbers are just so-so. This is where his size and average athleticism hurts him the most. He displays good fundamentals (blocking out, etc..), but frequently loses the battle for the basketball to taller or more athletic players. That trend should continue in the NBA.

On defense, Williams displays great instincts and awareness. He shows off a good fundamental stance, keeping low and centered. He is able to keep most College forwards in front of him - and keep them out of the middle. He is an aggressive defender - and although he doesn't get a lot of steals (1.2 per 40PA) or blocks (1.1 per 40PA) he is able to bother and disrupt his opponent and contest shots. Because of his lack of size, he may be at a disadvantage on defense as a PF at the next level, and because of his only average quickness, it may be hard for him to stay in front of quicker Small Forwards. This is where his high basketball IQ, solid fundamentals, aggressiveness, awareness and instincts should help; and even if he doesn't project to be a top defender - those qualities should make him at least an adequate defender in the NBA. Don't look for that to happen right away... he should be a below average defender with a propensity to foul in his first year or two (remember, I said he is aggressive).

Overall a terrific offensive player, and a mixed bag defensively. Derrick Williams possesses some skills that will immediately translate well to the NBA - such as his ability to create his own shot and his aggressive inside play. If he can continue to improve on his long range shots, especially from the NBA 3-point line, and his ball handling abilities, he could greatly improve his value. Although I don't think he's a top 6 pick, any team that wants to add a hard working, aggressive player that gives 100% on every possession can't do wrong drafting Derrick Williams anywhere in the 7th through 14th range.

 

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I am so happy that you have no opinion of him

Is he worth drafting? You really think at 6’8" he is a 4? TJones is that tall and he can play the 3. Where do you see DWiliams fitting in on this team?

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

I will add, Sullinger is bigger

is there is any thing about DWilliams that is unique so that the Wiz will benefit by having him on the team?

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Derrick Williams' all around game

I like his energy and his intangibles… He seems to be a really smart player.
My concerns are that he doesn’t have a defined position… He’s not a Small Forward, and he’s not a Power Forward… Not that it’s necessarily such a huge bad thing… but I’d rather take a player that fits a specific need (like Small Forward – Harrison Barnes is starting to heat up!!! or a player that can create offense in the post: Sullinger)…

On this team, Williams would have to be a 3…….. But then how does he stay in front of the quicker SF’s in the League (Gay, Durant, etc…)? AND – he needs to be more consistent on his jump shot from distance…

Right now, drafting for Small Forward – Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, Harrison….
Right now, drafting for inside scoring/rebounding – Jarred Sullnger, Enes Kanter (the Turkish Bull), Jonas Valanciunas

By the way, Valanciunas has been slowly creeping up my list…. He sets great screens… very energetic.. Huge (almost 7-ft, with 7’6" wingspan). Excellent quickness. Great rebounder. Needs to get stronger, but he definitely looks like an NBA player.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

"but I’d rather take a player that fits a specific need "

The way I look at it, the Wizards have needs at every starting position, except point guard.

Sure, they have some players who might develop, but other than Wall, I don’t see anyone else who is more likely than not capable of being a starter on a Finals team. This is where I think rebuilding teams make mistakes. They have a young SG, for example, who they think will develop, so in the draft they pass on a very good SG to pick a player who plays another position, only to find that the SG they had didn’t develop as they had hoped and the SG they passed on turned out to be great. Granted, you don’t want to pull a Kahn and draft three point guards, but with all their picks, I think the Wizards should be picking best player available. Said another way, other than point guard, every position is a need.

by disgrunted on Mar 4, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps I should rephrase

Everything else being equal, I’d rather take a player that fits a specific need….

In other words, DON’T pass up drafting a better player to draft for a need….

Having said all that, the differences between Sullinger and Kanter (in my mind) are too slim to call…. They both score inside. They both rebound. They both are extremely strong. Kanter is bigger – Sullinger has more actual production to look at…. but BOTH fit a specific need for the Wizards ….

If there were a Shooting Guard in the top 5, and in the same talent bracket as Sullinger and Kanter – why would the Wizards draft the SG? They already have Nick Young and Jordan Crawford…

So even if you think Derrick Williams belongs in the same tier with Kanter and Sullinger…. (and he’s certainly NOT in a tier above them)… You have to go with drafting either Kanter or Sullinger over Williams…. The Wizards already have their “tweener” energy, inside scoring, rebounding, defensive 3/4 guy in Booker….

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Booker

Exactly who screamed off the read at me…great guy to have…but we’ve already got him

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Mar 4, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

same exact thing here

Booker probably a better rebounder/defender, Williams more skilled offensively

by koop1122 on Mar 4, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah got to love Barnes game right now

Wouldn’t mind seeing a write up on him and Perry Jones (starting to warm up alittle more to the possibilty of taking a SF early) when you get the chance. Seen a good bit of Barnes but only a couple games of Jones.

by koop1122 on Mar 4, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

don't disagree, we need players everywhere.

i think rook’s point, and mine as well since i have seen Williams play a lot, is that he doesn’t fill either the SF need or the PF need because he’s a tweener. he’s a more athletic version of the forward from Wake that just got traded from Chicago to Toronto. (Johnson?)

by Jheiser3 on Mar 4, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what are our needs, anyway?

SF: Three point shooting, passing, defensive rebounding, man defense, help defense, high b-ball IQ, high energy

PF: Post scoring, post defense, defensive rebounding, toughness/physicality, help defense, midrange shooting, high b-ball IQ, high energy

Anything else?

by yop32 on Mar 4, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

My point, though, is that there is pretty much a blank slate. So, if you conclude that this Williams kid will be a star, you take him, whether he is a tweener, whether he will play SF or PF, and regardless of who the Wizards currently have.

by disgrunted on Mar 4, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He won't be a star

His ceiling is as a starter on a Playoff team (perhaps one All-Star invitation)…

But he won’t be a perennial All-Star or continually mentioned as one of the top 15 or 20 players in the League….

But most of the Lottery this year are like that…. No Super Stars (multiple All-Star nods)….

Perry Jones has the most upside – potential to be a Super Star, top 10 player in the League – but he also has shown the least productivity of anyone projected to go in the Lottery…. In other words, with Perry Jones, it’s all about upside, and not productivity.

Kanter could be very good players (think upside of a bigger, stronger Al Horford, or Jeff Ruland type player)

Sullinger also could be very good (Similar to Kevin Love, Carlos Boozer, ….)

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm

Jones could also be the next Anthony Randolph. He’s always gotten by being the most athletic guy on the court. Still is. The concern with those guys is whether or not he will put in the work to be great. Its the coasting that scres me more than anything.

Van Gundy mentioned this @ ssac in regards to Tracy McGrady. He never could get McGrady to put in superior effort to improve because he was so good naturally.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams has been so good recently

and so physically dominant, I care less and less about fit.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 6, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Watched the vids, and

I do think he could help us a lot. First off, he would be, along with Booker, the only really aggressive and forceful player underneath for us. He has much better scoring instincts inside than either Blatche or McGee. He looks like he could play both the three and also be useful at the 4 spot. He can obviously stretch the floor more than anybody we’ve had, like Dom Mcguire or Al Thornton could, for example. People couldn’t pack the middle to keep him out, they’d have to run out at him, and he obviously knows what to do when that happens.

As to this lack of athleticism, I don’t really see it. Maybe that’s because I don’t have the experience that Rook does. It looks to me like the guy is a relentless force inside, and is very adept at getting shots off through bodies (doubleteams) in a way that nobody else we have looks able to do. He looks to me like he could force either Blatch or Booker to the bench if he were here.

His 6 – 8 looks like a big strong 6-8, with no backdown, not a wimpy 6-8 that would disappear underneath when we need boards.

I cannot see this guy being anything but a legit starter in this league, and if there are players who could help us more – I wait with bated breath to see profiles on them too, but this guy looks like a freaking beast to me.

"Jesus got a sweet jumper!"

by Tom deSabla on Mar 4, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks - You are right...

I’ll change that.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Derrick Williams but I hate to pass up on Sullinger.

I just think Sullinger has the potential to be a Kevin Love type of player for us.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 1:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

We shoul get Sullinger first then a wing like Kyle Singler or CJ Leslie for the pick we got from ATL

Although I don’t like Dukies.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 1:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Been my philosophy all along

Draft a big with their top pick:
1)Sullinger, Kanter, D. Williams (or either H. Barnes or P. Jones)

Then dip back for a solid wing:
2)Kyle Singler is really the only guy that comes to mind because I haven’t watched enough college ball yet (or PF Jordan Williams from Maryland if Wiz select a wing first).

The whole thing is starting to seem really tricky actually.

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah my ideal scenarios:

1st pick: Sullinger/Kanter 2nd pick: Singler/Singelton

or

1st pick: Barnes/P. Jones 2nd pick: Jordan Williams.. there’s some other big men projected around that pick I need to see more of (Mark. Morris, Tristan Thompson, Jeremy Tyler, etc.)

by koop1122 on Mar 4, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its insane for this team not to pick up Kanter

There is that one player who is over looked in the draft and I think its Kanter. There is that special player and its Kanter. He has it all. He has the size. He has the skills. He has the intelligence. He has the experience. He was brought in by Calipari. He is so scary, the NCAA denies him the right to play. He is a slam dunk. If Grunfeld has a brain and Kanter is there, draft him.

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

I second this

I think Sullinger is the typical great college player, not so great NBA player like Turner this yr. Montijunas is a typical euro but Kanter is a different bread.

A pressence down low is our most glaring need, Kanter is a beast and tnx to the NCAA the top three or four picks will sleep on him and he should be their waiting for us at 5 or 6

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 4, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I was very high on Sullinger and the Wiz drafting him

until you mentioned Evan Turner…..that scared me thoroughly. Although from watching Evan Turner I never was as high on him as everyone else, Adam Morrison 2.0. I’ve watched Sullinger and he seems like he’s the real deal, may not be a superstar but will be a solid piece at least.

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Last two high draft pix from OSU?

That would be Evan Turner and Greg Oden…. The Wizards need a big time SF maybe even MORE than they need a 4… The team now has the chance to give Seraphin and Booker both long hard looks over next 22 games.. Maybe we are deeper than we thought at 4… let us find out.

I think P Jones, T Jones, Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes may fill the 3 need with higher upside than Sullinger or Kanter would fill the 4/5 needs. Let’s keep an open mind on this.

by khrabb on Mar 4, 2011 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Wiz only have Wall as an unquestioned piece, so getting the best player would be best.

Just an aside, but Greg Oden was a pretty good player in college and was pretty much what people thought he would be in the league. I think he was and still may be a very good player, just injuries tore him up.

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, thats why i was kinda hoping we might trade for him at the deadline

Blatche for Oden or something. His team option is 8million for one yr. As a former #1 pick we could have a great big if he stays healthy and if not its a one yr experiment like yi but with a higher risk-reward ratio.

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 4, 2011 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

We need the best player available

That isn’t a point guard. We’ll be in the lottery again next year and that’s the strategy we should follow again next year. We’re not good enough to do it any other way.

by mogoman on Mar 4, 2011 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this.

And would like to see a gifted SF playing alongside a defensive/reb PF rather than us draft a defensively-challenged PF because we want a big. If there’s not one there, you cant pick whomever is available just because you want one.

IMHO, the combine isnt going to help Sullinger at all, he may very well be available when we pick. Interesting decisions…

by DCrez on Mar 4, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

We shouldn't base who we are drafting because of the other OSU prospects from the past.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree i'm not huge on Turner

but its still really early.. don’t think we can write him off yet and mention him with Morrison or Oden.

by koop1122 on Mar 4, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

based on what?

No one having seen him play, aside from one Nike Hoops Summit game?

by DCrez on Mar 4, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I have

In euro ball, actually i still have not seen the Nike game…

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 4, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I've watched some of Kanter's euro games as well...

Turkish Bull is a perfect nickname and also a description of how he plays…. I think his eventual position in the NBA will be Center… where his lack of lateral quickness won’t hurt him… Besides, he seems rather tentative guarding guys on the perimeter.

But as a Center, he’s got a lot going for him… He’s strong… really strong; especially his base (legs)… But he’s also got a soft touch around the rim. I like his fundamentals (footwork, post moves, boxing out, setting screens)… I also think that because of his play in the EuroLeagues – he’s farther along in his development that say Seraphin or any of the high picks in the coming draft (Perry Jones, Sullinger, etc…)…

As one of the few people that has actually seen him in action (other than the Nike game) I’d like your opinion of Kanter – what did you like when you watched him? What did you see as his weaknesses?

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, here is my take on Kanter (sorry for the lengthy post in advance)

Game type
he is a banger, looking for contact, looking to dominate the inside.

Strenghts
Has very polished back to the basket game already, up n unders, step through, spinmove, baseline turnaround J and a nice soft touch to go with that, really impressive. He is a relentless rebounder who would rather punch you in the face than lose a rebound to you. Has consistantly showed range to about 14ft or so to mix it up and seems to recognize what the defense is giving him. The best thing imo about him though is his increadibly high motor. He wants to dominate you and will stop at nothing untill he does.

Weaknesses
he has average passing skills and runs into trouble when double teamed. Resaonable latteral quickness but not great so he cant guard quick 4’s like Thad Young who take him off the dribble or stretch bigs like Bargnani witch was a little problamatic going against those typical euro bigs sometimes. No problems though against NBA 5’s like bogut or 4’s like Brand especially with his strenght and low center of gravity.

Comment
he held his own going against grown man in the turkish league and in euroleage against international opponents while beeing a teenager, a highschool kid really. He then completely flatout dominated the european championships under 18 at age 17. He wasnt just good, he destroyed his matchup’s and won MVP there.

What does this mean for the Wiz?
In my opinion this dude is exactly what we need in every way. I think he can ancor the middle and both play with blatche and mcgee but blatche’s game compliments his better imo.

Kanter versus Sullinger
I prefer him over Sullinger because Kanter has legitimate size for his position (6’11/260 center) in the NBA and he will be a very very solid defender in the league in time. Two things i really question with Sullinger although i have only seen two of his games. Sullinger is really good at the college level but i cant help but wondering if he is the typical great college player who fails to translate to the NBA. With Kanter i dont have that feeling at all.

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 4, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey - wow... thanks

I had the same feelings about Kanter when I saw him play – such a tough guy inside… and he never stops fighting… The only thing I could think of when I watched him in Euro play was – “Jeez, he sure doesn’t look like the typical soft Euro big man…. more like a bull in a china shop”… the way he just moved grown men around in the paint…

I was also really impressed by his jump shot… accurate out to the free-throw line extended… He’s got a smooth high release, and he has s “shooter’s touch” … Good free throw shooter as well…

Fundamentally – both on Offense and Defense – you really cannot find much wrong with his game. He’s got great footwork. His mechanics are solid. He defends with his body AND his feet. He blocks out on rebounds. He sets solid screens. Much more polished and ready for the NBA than almost any of the kids coming out of the NCAA after one or two years ….

My only problem with Kanter is that I haven’t seen anything on him THIS year…. Because of his problems with the NCAA, he’s not playing – - – so I still have to give the slight edge to Sullinger, simply because he is doing it right now…

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking into the long-term, I see Kanter being another Marc Gasol and Jared being a Kevin Love.

If they live up to their comparisons. I would be satisfied with either one though.

I personally think that the only player out of this draft with SUPERSTAR potential is Perry Jones, and I pray to God that we have the balls go our way.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Kanter/Sullinger first overall if we couldn't trade down

Sure, it’s likely that neither will be dominant scorers on the nba level, but they will be dominant rebounders and efficient scorers. That’s far more valuable than it’s made out to be, and it’s just what this team needs. There’s no way I’d take a high risk pick like Perry or Harrison over a virtually guaranteed 10 and 10 post presence.

by zl on Mar 4, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Perry will have to be the number one pick man.

I don’t see us passing on that type of superstar potential.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep hearing this and am lost

I need to start watching some Baylor games…

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see the superstar potential

I think people see Kevin Durant in players like Jones and Quincy Miller because they’re all long, athletic, and skinny. But Perry is nowhere near the level Durant was on in college. He is a mediocre at best jump shooter and hasn’t been able to finish at the rim. His points come from mostly dunks and alleyoops. He’s also been a poor defender and rebounder…why is this kid going number 1?

by zl on Mar 4, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

he looks the part

and scouts dream up the rest.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm I don't think it is the most obvious pick.

There is a lot of talent for Sullinger also.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Mar 4, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Kanter

the more i read the more I like. i’ve seen him at the Hoops summit game. I don’t want to overplay that one game though. He was more physically mature than the 17 and 18 year olds he was playing against. The grown ass men in the NBA won’t be so easy to push around.

Why I like Kanter for this team:
tough/physical
good finisher, skilled
jump shot with good range, not quite okur range but could get there.
good motor and high basketball IQ

Why i don’t:
6’10 in shoes, although LBJ camp measured him at 6’11.
Not an elite athlete.
nbadraft.net does mention a history of knee problems.
His “floor” may be a more skilled Zaza Pachulia

by Jheiser3 on Mar 4, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He was more physically mature than the 17 and 18 year olds he was playing against. The grown ass men in the NBA won’t be so easy to push around.

He was playing against grown ass men in the EuroLeagues as a 6’9" 240 pound 15 and 16 year old…. and pushing them around….

Now he’s a 6’11" 260 pounds, and strong as an Ox… (and tremendously strong legs and lower body)… He’ll be able to push around even some of the biggest NBA players….

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah...

and that “history” of knee problems is ONE injury… a MCL sprain two and a half years ago….. It forced him to sit out a couple months… but did NOT require surgery, just rest and rehab.

Probably similar to the knee injury that Kevin Seraphin had when the Wizards drafted him……

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

no way of knowing

i have no way of knowing more about the knee injury. i did find a popular site which raised it as an issue so we can’t just throw it out.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 4, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

we deperately need someone to anchor the middle. jvm is a backup. blatche should be traded for a draft pick- any draft pick we can get

by les boulez bomber on Mar 4, 2011 7:15 AM EST reply actions  

whats the depth at center look like for 2012?

by les boulez bomber on Mar 4, 2011 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Why do some want Enes Kanter...

…When he has lingerign injury issues and bad knees?

by Delonte Mckinley on Mar 4, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

he has had a knee injury yes but what makes you say its lingerign??

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 4, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny - one injury to a joint

In 2008, he fell hard on his back, and was out several weeks with “back spasms”

In 2009, Kanter suffered a sprained MCL – it didn’t require surgery, only rest and rehab. By the time of the 2011 draft, it will have been OVER 2 1/2 years since the injury. Since his injury played in, and dominated, the Nike Hoop Summit, and was recruited by Kentucky (and half a dozen other high profile schools)…

No further complications…. end of story…

I fail to see any “lingering” injury issues……. Unless you deem one injury to a body part “Lingering” – if so, Kevin Seraphin has a “lingering knee issue”…. and John Wall has a “lingering foot issue”….

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I am

But that’s the point. We have enough tweeners. I would like a true Power Forward or center who can bang, please. If he’s not in this draft, go with a scorer at the 3 spot. Prerequisites for bigs are at least 270 pounds and 6’10 or taller. I like the thought of Kanter, because he makes our existing bigs better as role players. However, I have never seen him play, so that kind of sucks.

That said, we have a real need for scoring, so as many have said it’s a tough call. If you think Barnes or Jones could be like Kevin Durant (on the court, I mean), you have to take him high.

by Unselds on Mar 4, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

NO - I think I understand where Unselds is coming from

We already have some “tweeners” on the roster…

Booker is an undersized PF, or under-quick SF without a good jump shot…. a tweener
Crawford is an undersized SG, or non-passing shoot first PG….. a tweener
Rashard Lewis – is he a 6’10" SF? or a Stretch-4? ….
Is Seraphin an undersized Center? or a Power Forward with no outside game? ….

It might be nice to draft guys with the size, talent, tools and skills to actually play a set position for the team….

It’s one of the reasons I keep wavering between Kanter and Sullinger…

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Could Booker become our full time SF?

What if he tried following the Bruce Bowen pathway to success? Focus on D and hustle, and only learn to shoot one shot, the corner three. Remember the year that Bowen shot better on threes than on FTs? San Antonio won it all that year.

by yop32 on Mar 4, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

another way of saying it

no players who can’t defend their position. Booker’s athleticism allows him to defend players of different sizes. Some tweeners are too small to defend the post and too slow to play on the perimeter.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 4, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You can't say "No tweeners"

Unless we are going to pass on people like Glenn Rice, who was only 6-8, and no quicker than this Williams fellow.

Shoot, wasn’t Barkley a tweener too? (Too small to play the 4, or even the three by some people’s estimation) And Joe Dumars, who was only 6-3, and wasn’t super quick or athletic, so he was a tweener too. And Dave Cowens, who was too small to play the 5, and what about Kevin Love? I was surprised to see that he isn’t even that big, doesn’t have a superman-type body, and doesn’t he play the 4? He dominates because of his skills – period. What about Rodman? Wasn’t he a tweener too? He defended 3’s for years in Detriot, and then ended up playing the 4 almost exclusively later in his career. Yes, Rodman was a leaper and very quick, but you have to get the guys who can play.

Note that we passed on Blair too – wasn’t he only 6-7 or 6-8? He dominates inside like nobody we have. And he was another tweener.

"Jesus got a sweet jumper!"

by Tom deSabla on Mar 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Well, I didn't mean you couldn't say it

Just that you shouldn’t really mean it.

And it looks like you don’t.

I think we all know that the point is that we need some serious grade A prime basketball players on this team – and the only place we really don’t need a guy is at the point. Every other spot should be up for grabs and we should get the best possible player available, without becoming overly focused on whether that guy fits an exact prototypical size at a position.

"Jesus got a sweet jumper!"

by Tom deSabla on Mar 4, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

LJ

Was a beast of a tweener who dominated inside like none other early in his career. Then effectively developed his outside shot later in his career for the Knicks. My favorite player of all time!

by Wyler98 on Mar 4, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

See - you like tweeners after all!

Grandmamma was nasty, but you could see how strong he was from just looking at him.

"Jesus got a sweet jumper!"

by Tom deSabla on Mar 4, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

I was a bit iffy on this guy at first, but he has definitely grown on me

He dosen’t look like much, but seems to find a way to get the job done every game.

by TheRealBigMike on Mar 4, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Got to think Chemistry

DW plays for an average UofA team with a below average PG. He has got drive, energy and plays 100% almost all the time (JW plays 100% almost all the time as well). If you bring people who have that type of energy/drive to play/win, then we build strong Team chemistry. Booker has that type of energy as well…

Would love to see what DW can do with JW!!!

by ChainHess on Mar 4, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Kanter has that kind of drive/energy/intensity as well....

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Perry Jones does NOT

Neither does Harrison Barnes, IMO

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 4, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

notsofast

Barnes’ drive is well chronicled. my favorite story is that the day after he won the state title he was at the gym at 6AM. Had to call his coach to get someone there to open up for him.

He’s not much of a chest thumper, thats a different kind of energy. Mile wide/inch deep.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 4, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my sense too

I just think he’s not a star and never will be – reminds me more of O.J. Mayo than Durant. Which is fine – I think we could use that, especially if he can play small forward. Of course, I wouldn’t pick him 1.

by Mike Prada on Mar 4, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the more i watch

the more i see room to grow. That’s big because he’s been painted as a nearly finished product. He looks polished offensively but he doesn’t yet understand how to move off the ball. His strength is his ability to get his shot off. Still needs a lot of work on his driving too. Kicks at least one ball off his foot per game.

I tend to agree that he’s not a superstar. More likely a star/“3rd guy”. So not at 1 but 3-6 is fine by me.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kanter

I need to do my homework on Kanter…have seen way to many good looking college centers with huge potential get drafted early and never go anywhere in the NBA (was kinda hoping we were going to make a move/attempt to get a young project center like Hasheem Thabeet before the trade deadline).

by ChainHess on Mar 4, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

My thinking on Kanter

is that Grunfeld will grab him if he is there. He has been looking for a big man for awhile now and its resulted in Pecherov, Blatche, McGee, Ramos, Seraphin, N’Diaye, Armstrong and Yi.. These types of players. He has been looking for that man in the middle. Now that he has Wall, I think he will draft Kanter if he is there.

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

After constant scanning of this thread

I’ve changed my stance. I believe WiZ should grab Kanter if he’s available. Its just the big unknown that I don’t like. Also, Derrick Williams seems like he is going to be a very good pro and Sullinger will be at least a solid PF

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I've watches a lot of video of the players including the worlds last year

that included Kanter and Sullinger and Irving. Kanter simply dominated. He was the one always coming down with the ball and he can drive and shoot. He has Bird like qualities in that he is not the most athletic but he always ends up with the ball and always finds ways to score. He is tall, big and intelligent. He is as big as Blatche right now and he is only 19. He has that “it” factor. He dominated Sullinger in the paint last year and he will again in the NBA. My hope is that everyone will get all googley-eyed about other players so that Kanter slides to the Wiz. If Grunfeld picks a 3 over Kanter, he deserves to be fired.

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That seems to be the biggest argument

Do the WiZ draft a big first or a wing. I figure, you have to go either Kanter, Sullinger or D. Williams with their first pick, depending on who’s available. If they are all gone, then you look to the wing, most likely Harrison Barnes (with all I’m hearing, Perry Jones will be gone and I’m just not a big fan of Terrance Jones).

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a believer that if the Wiz have a top 5 pick and there is a big there

who is skilled and talented, you take him. Wing players are easier to get. Most are not top 5 players. I certainly would not take Barnes over Kanter., Especially considering the needs of this team. I think this team needs a player in the middle for Wall. Point guard-dominant big man combos works in the league and I think the Wiz front court needs serious upgrading.

by hambonejackson on Mar 4, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You also have to size up the competition and figure out how to beat them

And if the Heat is the primary competition in the East in the near future, the way to beat those bamas is not at the 2 and 3 spots, where it’s going to be virtually impossible to get better players than the Heat have, but at the 1 and 5 spots, where they are weakest. The Wizards have the 1, and now need the dominant 5.

by disgrunted on Mar 4, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree and agree at the same time

The Wizards don’t play 82 games against the Heat and aren’t even close to contending for a playoff spot , so a head to head match-up strategy isn’t really important.

I agree with needing a big man primarily because the biggest weakness I see from watching games is giving up so many easy buckets inside the paint, being out-rebounded and giving up too many 2nd chance points.

by qthaballa on Mar 4, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

The need for a very good big man seems to be in agreement. Right or wrong, I think that is what the Wiz need. They just don’t have that dominant big man. Blatche is a nice complimentary player when he plays well. McGee is awful. A 3 guy is like the 3rd wheel. I have nothing against the 3 guy, but it still leaves open the problem of the dominant big man. Picking up a player like Harrison Barnes does nothing for my excitement level. Whoopee, now we can have all our scoring from the back court, as if that has worked well for this team. When will this team have a dominant front court? That seems to work well enough for championship teams. Trying to win from the back court has not worked for any team in this league. They all win from the front court, unless the Wiz believe differently.

by hambonejackson on Mar 5, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Rook- Do you have an opinion on the 2012 draft?

I think this is where I lean more towards going after a PF/C then a SF. We are atleast 3 years away from being a potential contender so what we don’t solve this year we will more than likely address with a lottery pick next year. But i’ve seen a couple of these high school players and looked at the boards and 2012 looks more guard heavy with a lack of low post presence players.

by koop1122 on Mar 4, 2011 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

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