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2011 Draft Prospect Profile - Jan Vesely

Editor's note: I was able to purchase a season pass for EuroLeague.TV - The pass allows me to watch most EuroLeague games live, and I can watch highlights and recorded full games for selected match ups. One thing I've noticed about EuroLeague play is that the referees allow bit more physical play. The games seems to feature many fewer isolation plays and much more cutting and passing. The Pick and Roll play is a staple of many teams, but the pick-and-pop is rare. Also, there is much less questioning of the referees... and a more deferential treatment of the referees by both players and Coaches. Players raise their hand when a foul is called. Generally speaking, the players themselves aren't nearly as athletic as NBA players - but they play a more "team" oriented brand of basketball.


Here is my second draft prospect profile for International players.

Jan Vesely (6'11" SF/PF for KK Partizan Belgrade)

Jan (pronounced Yon) Vesely burst onto the scene in his 2008-2009 EuroLeague Rookie season as a rail-thin 18-year-old, where he averaged almost five points and more than three rebounds per game. But those 5 points and 3 rebounds came with tremendous energy and activity, but more importantly, with a combination of size, speed, explosiveness and athleticism not usually seen in EuroLeague play. He quickly became a huge fan favorite.

During his second year, Partizan Coach Dusko Vujosevic decided to develop Vesely as a small forward, because of his quickness, speed and obvious perimeter skills. Vesely blossomed in his second year, becoming a star, and helping Partizan make it to the Final 4 In EuroLeague play in the 2009-2010 season. In the Final 16, playoffs and final four (the equivalent of the NBA Playoffs), Vesely averaged 10 points (57% shooting, 41% from three), 6.3 rebounds and 1.6 assists.

Even though he was considered by many to be a sure Lottery pick, Vesely decided not to enter the 2010 NBA draft. Instead he decided to play another year for Partizan; probably a smart decision - given his weaknesses at the time (shooting, defending). He went back to Europe and worked on his deficiencies.

This year, even though there is not a huge increase in his scoring or rebounding numbers, we see a more complete player. He is no longer limited to scoring on the break or on alley oops. His individual and help defense, a weakness in the past, has greatly improved. While he may not have increased his draft stock that much, he will be a much better player in the NBA for having stayed the extra year playing at the highest level of European competition.


More after the jump.

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Vesely is NOT your typical tall, perimeter oriented Euro player. He is instead a dynamic, explosive athlete with size, length and an incredible motor. Standing every bit of 6'11", with long arms and a solid frame, Vesely does not look like your typical NBA Small Forward. He's quick enough to switch off on Guards on the perimeter, yet his length gives him an advantage in the post against smaller players. He's got large hands that allow him to be sure handed and catch nearly everything thrown his way. Vesely has put on weight since his Rookie season, but he's still slim at 230 pounds; but despite that he's relentless and tough. Willing to throw his body around in the paint, he's  a high energy type player who dives after loose balls and plays the game with intensity and a high level of competitiveness.

In one game, against Efes Pilsen (Group 6, Top 16, Week 6), Vesely put on an exhibition you rarely see from anyone except a guy like Blake Griffin. The first play of the game, he was in the lane, and jumped from a stand still to block a dunk attempt (help defense). His head very near the rim. I had to watch the replay to believe what I saw. A play or two later, on a pick-and-roll play he rolled to the basket, took the pass and finished with a vicious 2-handed dunk. The next offensive play, he scored on a soaring one handed tomahawk dunk on a delayed break. Even the partisan Efes Pilsen crowd reacted to that one. Once more on the fast break, Vesely had an incredible one handed catch and dunk taking off from the wing well beyond the paint. A couple plays later, he slashed to the middle, did a quick spin and made a baby hook from 7 feet. Then, as the half was coming to a close, he drove baseline and rose up and dunked OVER and THROUGH the opposing center. He ended the half by splashing a 3-pointer from the wing. For the game he wound up with 23 points on 7 of 8 shooting, 3 of 6 from three point line, 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 blocks.  Not every game has been like that one, but he brings the same energy, determination and intensity.

On offense, it's fair to say that Vesely still relies on his athleticism. He still scores most of his points in transition (usually ending with a thunderous dunk), on alley-oop plays, and on offensive rebound put backs. He's still, even after 3 years playing professionally, fairly raw offensively - but he's showing steady improvement in his slashing ability - and more importantly improvement in his jump shot. Vesely is terrific moving without the ball. He makes hard cuts and frequently uses screens to try to get himself free going towards the basket (rarely trying to get free for a jump shot). The ball does not stick in his hands, he quickly makes a move or rotates the ball but it's not rare to see him make bad decisions with the ball too, especially in the form of unforced turnovers. His 16% turn over ratio is a pretty high number considering his usage rate is only 18%. Fortunately, Turn Overs are one of the things that naturally decline as a young player develops.

His ball handling skills, although huge leaps and bounds better than last year, are still only average. He can take a dribble or two towards the rim. He has very long strides, so two dribbles can take him from the top of the key to the rim. Lately he's looked much less helter skelter with his ball handling - and more in control; especially during the Top 16 games. He's not the focus of the Offense, and as such is not required to create shots - but he has shown the ability (occasionally) to get into the lane and create. He's shown the ability to pull up in the lane for a baby hook, or the occasional floater. And of course, if he has any room at all, he's going to try to get right to the rim and dunk. His improvement in this area from last year bodes well.

His jump shot has improved as well, although still not where it should be to be an efficient scorer. Overall, Vesely has improved his jump shot tremendously from last year. When he gets his feet set, and his shoulders square, his mechanics look very good. He gets good lift from his legs; his elbow is square to the basket, and he gets a nice high release with good rotation on the ball. In these situations, he has a nice touch, so that even if he is a bit off on the shot - he is rewarded with that "shooter's bounce" on the rim. As a result, he is pretty good as a catch-and-shoot player, even out to the NBA 3-point line; but not so good off the dribble. Unfortunately, those are the times when he doesn't square his shoulders - and you can just about count on a miss in those situations. Time spent in the off-season with a good shooting coach would be a great idea. As for Free Throw shooting, he's terrible (45%) - but the problem is not in his upper body mechanics or release... but rather in his legs. He shoots the ball without enough bend in his knees. Again, a good shooting coach can correct that flaw.

This year, Partisan has started occasionally posting Vesely up against smaller opponents, with excellent results. He seems to like physical contact - and his energy and activity level somewhat compensate for his lack of bulk. He is frequently able to hold deep position, even against shorter, but stronger opponents simply because he wants it more and fights for it. Once in the post, he has a number of moves, but his favorite is to just turn around, rise up and bank the ball off the glass. There are very few opponents in the EuroLeague at Small Forward that can contest that shot. I'm not sure his post work will translate well in the NBA, where he will be going against bigger and stronger opponents than he's used to... I'm thinking of guys like LeBron, Melo, Durantula, Paul Pierce, Wilson Chandler, etc...

Although still a work in progress on Offense, if Vesely's improvement remains on it's current upward track, and he's able to continue developing his ball handling skills and (more importantly) his jump shot - it will go a long way to making him a much more dangerous player - and not just a fast break, highlight reel dunker.


On defense, Vesely's intensity and activity level really helps overcome some of his shortcomings. First of all, he's very competitive, and hates to get beat. He contests everything at the rim, which can occasionally get him into foul trouble. Thanks to his length, and pretty good lateral quickness (for his size), he has the ability to guard several positions when switching off on screens. He does a solid job moving his feet - can generally stay in front of his opponent - and takes a fair number of charges. He does get beaten occasionally by some of the quicker forwards, but he is still sometimes able to block the shot from behind. He's an excellent Pick-and-Roll defender, able to go under a screen but, with his terrific length and athleticism, still contest the shot. On the perimeter, he seems to know just how much room to give to take away the drive, but still be in a position to contest the jump shot.

Because of his size, he has difficulty getting in a good, fundamental low stance. That can sometimes lead to him being flat-footed, and causes him to occasionally get beat. He may have trouble with extremely quick and aggressive Small Forwards in the NBA - especially those few excellent jump shooters who are also great slashers (Melo, Paul Pierce, Kevin Durant) - but everyone has trouble with them. He also occasionally loses focus, doesn't see the ball and as a result, is caught out of position. Vesely has quick hands, and anticipates well. Although he doesn't gamble unnecessarily, he still gets about 2 steals per 40 minutes (pace adjusted). He's also a very good help defender, sliding over to take charges and blocking shots on the weak side.

As for rebounding, the numbers would indicate that he's a fairly good rebounder for a wing (7.3 per 40 pace adjusted) - however in the games I saw, his lack of strength and his inability to hold position belied the numbers. He frequently was pushed aside by bigger (read heavier), stronger opponents. Most of the rebounds I saw him corral were of the chase-down variety, or the fall in his hands variety. Again, the rebounds he gets are usually a result of his energy, intensity and hustle, rather than strength, positioning and fundamentals. Very rarely did I see him go up in a crowd and come down with the rebound; on the other hand if there was a loose ball, he was the one diving on the floor for it. His defensive rebounding especially could be better, but the team's need for him to get out on the break probably has something to do with depressing that number. Conversely on offense, he was usually the one tasked with quickly getting back on defense (rather than crashing the offensive boards).

Overall, although right now he's just OK as a defender, his length, quickness, athleticism and most especially his desire, intensity and competitiveness could help to make him much, much better.  He'd be terrific right away in a Flip Saunders style match-up zone; and I think he could be an excellent one-on-one defender eventually.

So to sum everything up, Jan Vesely definitely has some upside. He is a competitive player that hustles on every play. He brings energy and toughness. He plays with a lot of emotion. In order to contribute right away, he needs to be drafted by fast paced team because he could be a solid contributor right away on an up-tempo team.  I question whether he will eventually morph into a more traditional face the basket Power Forward - or whether he'll be a tall, athletic 3. I hope the latter, because as a 6'11" small forward, I think he has a better chance of being special. And by special, I don't mean Kevin Durant special - but more like Andrei Kirilenko special. Vesely has a long way to go to reach the level of an Andrei Kirilenko, but it's not completely out of the question.

 

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Europeans are so much cooler

I mean, Linkin Park. Not that club electronic music. I think the Wiz should draft all Euros just to annoy the arising cult of DWill crowd formerly known as the cult of Harrison Barnes crowd who will take over the posts tomorrow. Vesely looks a 3 to me. Something tells me he will struggle in the NBA for a couple of seasons to learn the 3 and that he is not a top 10 pick. I don’t see all those Kirilenko skills but I have not watched enough of him. I need to watch at least 1 game. I am sure all the DWillists will be thoroughly unimpressed with Vesely.

by hambonejackson on Mar 25, 2011 5:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Why do you hate America?

seriously though….Williams was an absolute beast last night, looked like Melo2.0. It’s a big deal when a draft prospect plays like that against a #1 seed deep in the Tourney, it’s arguably the best proving ground for us to judge how these guys will perform as pros. Blurry youtube footage of a guy dunking in Croatia aside of course.

by DCrez on Mar 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, if you have never heard the tra la la song

and you would like to die laughing…not sure if it’s entirely safe for work.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Mar 25, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gunther and the Sunshine girls make Abba sound like Bach.

I had to listen to it.How does any one get away with pedophiling this crap? And how drunk do you have to be to think it rocks? Or would alcohol be enough?

by hambonejackson on Mar 26, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have your cake and eat it too....

I am definitely a Derrick Williams believer especially so after what he did to Duke.

But Vesely is no slouch and his team Partizan Belgrade would give the current version of the Wizards a hard game…. especialy on thier home court, where I suspect they would win.

If he could be gotten for the Atlanta pick, I would say do it in a heartbeat… I would even trade the Atlanta pick and Blatche to move up to get him at 9-10-11.

by khrabb on Mar 25, 2011 6:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think I'm with you on Derrick Williams

I was a huge Kanter fan for a year now; but ,after seeing Williams against Duke…(ehhhh, Idunno).Personally, many say he’s another Beasley, but I think he’s better.A scoring 4 that creates inside-outside is very rare.It also fits well in Flip’s system.As for Vesely, I wonder, if his shot is developed enough to create the spacing that a dishing point needs. Wall needs either a 3 or 4 that can shoot a consistent outside “j”.

by Kevin Biscoe on Mar 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fits very well on your strategy of Kanter and wing

If Vesely is available at #19/#20 I don’t see how we fail to take him.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Mar 25, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Very intreresting profile

I like the idea of the guy, but I am not sure he is a lottery pick. I think an explosive player that does not need the ball in his hands, yet is not a catch and shoot guy, could be great with John Wall.

He might take a few years to come around to the NBA game, so if Chris Singleton is around when Vessely is, I would rather take Singleton.

Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.

by returnofswagger on Mar 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

another guy who may struggle defending either position

bouncy, thin, tweener, mediocre at best defensively, handle needs a lot of work to play on perimeter, strength needs a lot of work to play inside. opponents run plays to get him matched up on their best wing to take advantage of him.

then there’s the looming lockout. he has a deadline to buyout his contract. If the NBA is locked out the wizards/NBA cannot put 500K toward his buyout. does he risk buying out his contract and then not play?

by Jheiser3 on Mar 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He needs to enroll at Duke and become a Plumlee, wait 2 years on the NBA.

As-is he has no chance in the nba. Hate to be a hater but this kid has glaring issues. If he came over now he’d be overwhelmed and never get the chance to develop the skillset he’ll need to be a successful pro.

by DCrez on Mar 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of questions

and if he was a sophomore named Steven Franklin coming out of the WAC he wouldn’t be talked about in the lottery. Scouts would be destroying him for not having a position in the NBA. Flip said it, your position is defined by who you can defend. who does this young man defend?

by Jheiser3 on Mar 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fact kids here are busting their butts and getting ignored annoys me a little

because here’s a rail thin guy who cant dribble, shoot, rebound, nor defend at near an nba level and he’ll be a top10 pick…while Chandler Parson cant get onto anybody’s 1st round board. I really dont understand that.

by DCrez on Mar 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

absence makes the heart grow fonder

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Mar 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

He looks like a slightly taller Singler. But you are totally right.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Mar 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huge fan of Vesely

Yes, he would be a typical EG pick, high upside but still somewhat raw. The difference is his attitude. Dude hates losing. Competes every play.That type of desire is what develops those raw skills.

 Plus, you love the fact that he’s improved every season. He is already working hard.

AK47 is a good, best case comparison. Vesley will fill up the stat sheet but won’t dominate a game. Great complimentary player. I think his floor is chris anderson.

Sadly, I doubt the Wizards will be in position to draft him. Their first pick will be too high, second pick too low. Somehow need to obtain a pick in the 10-14 range.

It would be risky but a Kanter/Vesley draft could go a long way to solving our problems.

by zeke5123 on Mar 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Draft Express currently has him going 10th

If that’s the case, then I would be happy with him if we somehow slipped down the draft order to spot 7 or 8.

Prior to his injuries, AK-47 was a beast.

Obviously his hustle, determination and euro-type of fundamental coaching will be an asset for us. Not to mention the obvious speed and athleticism. He’s rail thin but I worry less about that then the mental aspect, and it seems like he has it.

by formula0 on Mar 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff Rook

2000+ words. Any chance you are going to do a mock draft article?

by edubz on Mar 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I had a lot to say....

By mock draft article – you mean who I think will be drafted and in what order?

I suppose I could do something like that…. but not for the entire draft… Perhaps just for the first round…

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 25, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want no part of anyone who shows even a hint of a lack of the necessary quickness to defend their position

NBA athleticism is on an entirely different level, and NBA perimeter D is much more dependent on being able to move your feet than the Euro or NCAA game. Unlike Europe and the NCAA, there’s no hand checking in the NBA.

I might take a flier on Vesely (or Derrick Williams) at the SF position if there was a chance he could become a Melo-type scorer, but I don’t think anyone is forecasting that.

Alternatively, I might take a flier on a player who has demonstrated elite bball IQ, like Shane Battier. Again, I don’t think Vesely or Derrick Williams are in that category.

If we’re just taking a role player, he needs to be able to defend his position. Otherwise, we’ll be doomed to mediocrity and seeing lots more of the hyperbolic trapezoidal floating zone.

by yop32 on Mar 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I didnt realize how athletic DWilliams was before last night.

He did appear to be Melo2.0….we’ll see how he goes the rest of the way.

by DCrez on Mar 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

How?

What similarities does he have to Melo?

I have no good signature ideas.

by Juice over Whine on Mar 25, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Euro players

my thing with Euro players is their lack or production in their leagues to me doesn’t bold well for great productive NBA careers. Pau Gasol was a very productive player in Euro hoops and came to the NBA and contiuned his productivity Vesely being a 10 ppg player would scare me away from him as a player you are looking at reaching for a project based on potential then,

Yao was destroying China hoops came to the league and was a dominant center. I know he’s not a Euro but its an impression I have about foreign players, Give me the ones who were highly productive displayed very high motors and those guys seem to translate well into NBA level play.

I don’t get too hyped about watching guys play international tourney’s either they are deceiving as well trying to predict NBA success different games,

I think Kanter is the best thing going as far as Euro’s this season and based on what I have seen he looks alot like a Tiago Splitter type and he is very stiff so far in his NBA career. Not certain he’s worth the reach either very high though some teams will surely take him that high.

by jazzy1 on Mar 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Kanter was the most dominent under 17 player in Europe

Stoneridge Prep School (CA) center Enes Kanter has been on nearly every school’s radar since coming over from Turkey this summer.

“This week, Kanter, a 6-9 senior, picked Washington over heavy interest from Southern Cal and UCLA, according to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Kanter was named MVP of the U18 European Championships this summer, averaging 18.6 points, 16.4 rebounds and 1.8 blocks. That production made him a hot commodity in Turkey, drawing multiple million-dollar offers from pro teams."
http://highschoolhoop.com/recruiting-news/2009/11/enes-kanter-headed-to-the-pac-10/#more-1868

Nowitzki held the scoring record at the Nike Hoops Summit until this stiff Kanter came off the bench and broke it. He is not some Euro freak player.

by hambonejackson on Mar 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy looks like Big Oily

2.0

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Mar 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're talking about Pech

Pecherov NEVER had this guy’s hops…. The ONE thing that this kid has is elite athleticism. That can translate well to the NBA. He’s fast. He’s got good lateral quickness, a great first step, and his sneakers must contain some of Medfield College Professor Brainard’s secret flubber formula – because he absolutely bounds off the floor like he’s attached to strings.

He’s not as “skinny” as last year – it looks like he’s put on about 10 pounds….so rather than being “rail-thin”, now he’s just thin. He’s got a good frame and wide shoulders, so a couple years in the weight room and he’ll be able to put on 20-30 pounds of muscle without hindering his athleticism. (6’11" 245 pound, Small Forward – talk about a mismatch).

He’s competitive. He hustles on every play. He’s tough. He’s active and energetic. He doesn’t disappear in games – you know he’s on the court.

He needs to become a more consistent outside shooter. He needs to work on his ball handling skills. And he needs to work on his post moves (in other words, basketball wise he’s raw and he needs to do some work)… His offense is still a couple years away….so he would have to be a “garbage” man, until his jump shot and dribble-drive game are up to snuff.

As for defense, as I said in my article, his deficiencies are NOT physical… and can be corrected with coaching and practice. I think he could become a very good defender in the Kirilenko mold in a year or two.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 25, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzUjdChqEQ

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 25, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know I'm with you on Kanter all the way

But someone (I think Sean Fegan) said something a few games ago that really shook me to my foundation. Two words: Darko Milicic.

Please give me some reassurance

by qthaballa on Mar 26, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

They cannot be compared

Milicic at Kanters age was not nearly as good. Their resumes are vastly different. What stood out most about Kanter in last years Hoop Summit was not as much his agility and strength, but how advanced his game is for a player his age. He was making veteran like moves out there.He played like a pro and I think it must have spooked the NCAA. " He sure doesn’t look like a kid out of high school to us" must have gone through their minds watching him. And he will play in this years Nike Hoops summit April 9. Now everyone can watch him play and make up their own mind about him, except DCrez." Its just an exhibition game"

by hambonejackson on Mar 26, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like he's maxed out.

and the Nike Hoop Summit IS an exhibition game. But no matter what it is…it’s ONE GAME played by high school kids. That’s supposed to be enough to merit drafting a guy #1 overall?? Maybe if he looks like Lebron or Dwight Howard…but not when he’s a run-of-the-mill athlete who has yet to face high level competition.

by DCrez on Mar 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maxed out?

at 19 years old?

He burst onto the scene three years ago as a 16 year old playing against players two years older than him in the Under 18 championships. He played for Fenerbach for two years: one year on their U18 team, 5 games the next year on the big club, before transferring to the US and enrolling at one of the best prep schools in the Country…. facing some of the best High School competition this country has to offer….

It’s unfortunate (or possibly fortunate, for which ever team drafts him) that he couldn’t play for Kentucky this year… he would have been great – and if he had played, in my opinion, there would now be no question about who the #1 draft pick would be….

We’ll get another chance to see him on April 9th. We’ll see then.

And yes, it’s just one game (played against the BEST the World has to offer as far as Under 18 talent) – but ESPN believes he’s a top 5 talent….

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/news?id=19524&slug=enes-kanter

(insider required)

Scouts said they thought he was more NBA-ready than Greg Monroe, Ed Davis or Cole Aldrich … all of whom went in the lottery in a stronger draft.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading these comments, specifically this one

pretty much sold me on Kanter.

You said he would probably be the #1 overall pick this year, had he been playing, and that’s what I have been wondering. I have been wondering what the cap was on what he could be.

I, and surely others, have been missing the fact that the guy was recruited by John Calipari. Kentucky thought the world of him coming into this year, and I might trust their head coach, as much as anybody, in looking for the best young players. Do you really think a coach like Calipari at a program like Kentucky would be willing to give the guy a scholarship, and then hype him up, if they thought he was a mystery?

It is not fair to pro scouts, to John Calipari, or even Rook, to pretend like we know absolutely nothing about this guy. EG and co. will do their due diligence before making this pick. And if Ernie decides to take a guy that is not an elite athlete, a guy that doesn’t exactly fit the mold that he usually drafts from, then I think that means he has done tons of research. If Grunfeld actually decides to choose Kanter, then it is because he has done his homework and feels that Kanter is not a risky pick at all. That is the only way Ernie takes a guy that does not suit the typical Ernie profile.

Dcrez, lets stop looking at they guy as a giant Turkish mystery for a second(I am as guilty of holding the ?‘s against him as anybody, but it feels good to change the perspective for a second), because that is not a good reason to pass on someone who could change the entire makeup of our team for the better. There are question marks on every player(excluding the John Wall’s), why are Kanter’s any different?

Screw rational basketball analysis. I <3 Jordan Crawford.

by returnofswagger on Mar 26, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not against drafting Kanter

because of course you are right, everybody but the true elite have obvious questions around them.

However I just dont think U18 eurogames or a Nike Summit establish a player is going to be ROY and an immediate impact big man.

by DCrez on Mar 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't thinking about ROYS

I am thinking of team needs and the fact that Kanter is the real top pick of the draft and if he slides to the Wiz, take him.

by hambonejackson on Mar 27, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It bothers me that DraftExpress has Kanter at #9 on their list of prospects

Even behind Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight. Way behind Derrick Williams, Valanciunas, and Jared Sullinger (#2, #3, and #4, respectively). DraftExpress is by far the best site when it comes to scouting European players. It makes me question whether the pro-Kanter crowd has really seen him play, or if they really remember their teens and twenties and how the biggest and strongest guys at 16 and 17 are not necessarily the biggest and strongest at 24.

by yop32 on Mar 27, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

their rank

Kanter has been sitting near or in the top 5 without playing. I think their ranking makes sense of it a bit. These other kids have played and have earned their ranking. Kanter has a chance to move up if he works out well.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This should put your mind at ease

“At 17, Darko Milicic is busy developing his low-post skills to go with his long-range J.

Milicic had just dropped one his most impressive performances of the year against a Euroleague team.

Milicic scored 14 points, grabbed 10 rebounds, blocked five shots and handed out three uncredited assists (they don’t count assists the same way in Europe as they do in the U.S.) in just 15 minutes.

But what really excites them is his mature low-post play. “More than Nowitzki, Gasol or even Divac, Darko has a nasty streak in him that will help him succeed in the post,” a league executive said. “A lot of the Europeans are really threes in the pros. He’ll be a true low-post player. His coach is doing us a huge favor by forcing him to develop those skills now. He already has moves that remind me of (Hakeem) Olajuwon in the post. Once we get a hold of him, the sky’s the limit.”"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1490974

by DCrez on Mar 26, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You see Darko

I see Jeff Ruland.

I guess we’ll revisit our discussion in 2 or 3 years to see who is correct.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Mar 26, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be pretty clear his rookie year.

And I dont see Darko or Jeff Ruland, I see an unknown because I couldnt care less what someone does in the euro U18 games (didnt rubio drop 50?) or if they competed against men in a euroleague (so did Darko and Zaza). My point is NOT that I think Kanter will be a bust, it’s that he is a risky pick that high in the draft.

by DCrez on Mar 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only comparison I see between Kanter and Ruland

is they are both big and can play in the paint. Otherwise, Kanter does a lot more with the ball than Ruland. He is a lot more athletic than Ruland.He might be stronger than Ruland. Wikipedia lists Kanter at 6’11" 272 #s. If that is true, he is now bigger than Blatche. This guy will end up being in the 280s somewhere.

by hambonejackson on Mar 26, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets compare Milicic and Kanter

From Wikipedia:
Kanter initially tried to enroll at Findley Prep in Nevada and then at Mountain State in West Virginia, but both attempts were abandoned, reportedly because other schools would not play against a team with Kanter on it. Ultimately, Kanter played for Stoneridge Preparatory School in Simi Valley, California for the 2009-10 high school basketball season. At the 2010 Nike Hoop Summit, Kanter played for the international team, scoring 34 points and grabbing 13 rebounds.8 His point total was a record for the event, breaking Dirk Nowitzki’s record set in the 1998 game. Both Rivals.com and Scout.com rated Kanter as a five-star prospect, the highest possible rating.
He was named the Most Valuable Player in the 2009 FIBA Europe Under-18 Championship, averaging 18.6 points and 16.4 rebounds while leading Turkey’s junior national team to the bronze medal.
Remember, this is the best talent in Europe.
So what is the conclusion here. He goes against the best players in Europe his own age and he is the best player. He goes against some of the best US players and he is the best player and he is at UK, the best college basketball program in the US. Kanter is presently a member of Fenerbahçe Ülker, one of the best teams in Europe. Milicic played for Serbia and Montenegro. Thats what he did and he had a repectable game against Gasol.
Kanter was a top 5 high school recruit here in the US. UCLA,USC,Washington, Indiana, they all wanted him. Their histories don’t compare.

by hambonejackson on Mar 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

best talent in europe= tallest midget

ok i’m being a bit facetious…but personally i find the euroleagues fairly unimpressive. Sean May plays for that Turkish team and he appears to be 350 pounds now. And like I said, I think Yi would be the best Big in europe and you could see it at the FIBA games.

by DCrez on Mar 26, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't only writing of Europe

He played High School in the US. He was recruited by Calipari here. Not in Europe. Here.

by hambonejackson on Mar 26, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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