2011 Draft Prospect Profile - Jonas Valanciunas
Editor's note: I was able to purchase a season pass for EuroLeague.TV - The pass allows me to watch most EuroLeague games live, and I can watch highlights and recorded full games for selected match ups. One thing I've noticed about EuroLeague play is that the referees allow bit more physical play. The games seems to feature many fewer isolation plays and much more cutting and passing. The Pick and Roll play is a staple of many teams, but the pick-and-pop is not. Also, there is much less questioning of the referees, and never any outward reactions that would show up the referees at all... and a more deferential treatment of the referees in general by both players and Coaches. Players raise their hand when a foul is called. Generally speaking, the players themselves aren't nearly as athletic as NBA players - but they play a more "team" oriented brand of basketball.
Some other things I like about the European brand of my favorite game. The fans are absolutely nuts. Frequently chanting and swaying, or clapping in unison. I'm still not sure whether all the whistling is their equivalent of booing, or if they're acknowledging a good play. You don't see players tripping over photographers inches away from the court - because there's plenty of sideline and end line room for players to come down without falling into cameras, cords, microphones tables, TV equipment, computers and bodies - so as a result, the fans sit a bit farther away from the action on the court.
I will be taking a look at some of the more highly ranked International players, like Jan Vesely (6'11" SF/PF for KK Partizan Belgrade) , Donatas Motiejunas (7-foot Center playing for Benetton Treviso) and the subject of this draft profile:
Jonas Valanciunas, 18 years old, 6'11" 240 pounds
Team: Lietuvos Rytas in the Turkish League
Projected NBA Position: Center
Valandiunas is listed at 6'11", but I would be surprised if he doesn't measure out a bit less - perhaps 6'10". He also doesn't look anywhere near the listed 240 pounds. It's difficult to tell from the EuroLeague.TV camera shots (they seem to shoot their games from the cheap seats) - but he looks more like 225 pounds to me. He's got a good frame, and wide shoulders, so he should be able to add weight. He's got excellent length, with tremendously long arms. He's got really big hands that allow him to catch just about anything thrown his way. From reading other draft reports about him, I was expecting to see a superior athlete. But like Enes Kanter, Valanciunas is probably just a "good" athlete. He runs the floor, and is very fluid with his overall movements running up and down the court. He's quick enough to guard on the perimeter and has adequate jumping abilities. He can get off the floor and wow you in transition, or if he has a dribble or two towards the rim.... but from a stand still, he lacks the explosiveness that some of the elite NBA big men have. There were times when I expected him to explode to the rim for a dunk, but he instead he just rose up and laid the ball in the basket. That's probably the difference (athletically) between an Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas and say Dwight Howard or JaVale McGee; that explosive jumping ability. All of them run the floor. All look fluid and smooth in their movements. They're all fast, up and down the court; but Howard and McGee look like they take off from a trampoline when they jump - while Kanter and Valanciunas jump like regular human beings. Jonas Valanciunas reminds me, physically, like 6'10" 225 pound Cole Aldrich as a Freshman at Kansas.
I was able to watch 6 Lietuvos Rytas EuroLeague games; three regular season games and three Top-16 playoff games. Valanciunas only started one game (at Unicaja), and usually played between 15-20 minutes a game. He looks to be in the regular rotation for L-Rytas, and provides a lot of energy and some production while he's in. His per 40 minute number are very good: 20.4 points, 14.6 rebounds and 1.7 blocks. But probably the biggest reason he doesn't play more minutes for L-Rytas is his foul rate, which is an astronomically high 8.3 fouls per 40 minutes. Part of the problem is his aggressiveness on defense, and part is probably that the game is moving very fast for him. You'd hope that he can keep his aggressiveness, while still getting the game to slow down a bit.
On Offense, Valanciunas has little in the way of a post game. He lacks the lower body strength to establish and hold low post position. When he does get the ball down low, his only post move that I've seen is to try to turn and bank the ball off the glass. I haven't seen any indication of a drop step, turn to the middle, jump hook, fall away jumper, or any other post moves at all. He's got excellent footwork inside, but rarely does anything to merit using his feet. When he does make a move, it's always left - so he can use his right hand. He does draw his fair share of fouls inside, but since he lacks upper body strength, he rarely finishes through contact. Adding some upper body strength would turn those 2-shot fouls into And-Ones.
As for an outside shot, Valanciunas has one, but he rarely gets to feature it. When he does shoot, it's usually from 14-feet in - never from farther out. I've read interviews where he says he's a very good 3-point shooter, but I have yet to see him shoot even one 3-pointer in a game. He has good form on his jumper, with excellent mechanics and good lift from his legs. He hits a decent percentage of his outside shots. He is a terrific Free Throw shooter as well, shooting over 91% from the line. Seeing as how he's got a pretty decent outside shot (and his Free Throw percentages confirm that fact), his jump shot could be a starting point for his offensive development.
As for other offensive capabilities, he's still very raw. His screens are terrible, so he rarely frees up the Guard for any pick-and-roll opportunities. It's a shame too, with his hands, his footwork, and the budding jump shot, he could be a very dangerous option in the pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop game. But until someone teaches him how to set a proper screen, that part of his offensive capabilities will remain untapped. He moves well without the ball, and most of his points come in transition and from cuts to the basket.
He's a willing passer and extremely unselfish - I have seen him make some great passes from the high post, hitting cutters to the basket. He seems to know how to make the right play at the right time - indicating a high basketball IQ. At this point, his ball handling skills are very rudimentary. He can take a dribble in the post... or a dribble or two driving straight to the rim, but anything else and he's in trouble. Any time he has to dribble the basketball is the only time he looks awkward on the basketball court. He's also very active on the offensive boards, getting his hands on a decent number of balls, and able to tip others to teammates. But right now, Valanciunas is limited to scoring in transition, on cuts to the basket, Free Throws and the occasional (and I mean rare) jump shot.
Defensively, Valanciunas is a mixed bag. He playes with intensity and a high activity level. He's got decent lateral quickness, and can generally stay in front of big men on the perimeter. He boxes out on the defensive boards and plays a good fundamental brand of defense, showing a good stance, active hands and feet, and excellent awareness. As a rebounder, he is extremely active; able to rebound well outside his immediate area. He hustles and chases down balls that others give up on. He's a tremendous help defender, getting lots of blocks coming from the weak side. He shows the potential to be very, very good. On one possession in the game with Panathinaikos, against a bigger and much heavier opponent, he was (somehow) able to hold his ground in the post, and ended up blocking a fade away jump shot.
The problem is that Valanciunas is just not strong enough to hold his position down low in a half court situation. He is frequently pushed around in the paint, and although it's difficult to score OVER him, it's not so hard to score through him. A good example was against Panathinaikos on a free throw attempt; when the larger (read: heavier) opponent bumped Valanciunas twice, and was able to grab the missed free throw because Valanciunas had ended up underneath the rim. From there, Valanciunas was unable to stop the easy put-back.
Overall, Jonas Valanciunas looks like he's still a season or two away. He has some intriguing physical assets and skills. (High basketball IQ. Strong motor. Plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. He plays with a lot of energy. Good rebounder. Active on defense). But the fact remains that he's still very raw, and needs to add strength before he will be able to really help an NBA team. Right now, he's all shoulder blades and elbows. If there is a lock-out this Summer, and the high end draft prospects (Barnes, Jones, Sullinger, etc.) all decide to go back to school, Valanciunas could be a guy that a team could draft-and-stash for a year - to let him develop some more; but otherwise, I don't see him as a top-10 pick.
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The intriguing thing
Is that he’s already very good at some of the things that are hardest to develop in the NBA. Nose for rebounding, bball IQ, free throw shooting, intensity, motor.
His biggest weaknesses are in areas that young players almost always quickly improve on. Lack of weight and strength, excessive fouling, game moves too fast for him.
The stuff that is middle of the road in terms of difficulty to develop, he has at least shown very high potential. Post defense, pick and roll, post footwork, outside shot.
Most of all, I like the fact that his accomplishments have come against very high level competition, both athletically and in terms of team schemes. There are no sure things in this draft, especially with the bigs, but out of all of them, Valanciunas is probably the least likely to be a bust.
This year’s measurements will be very interesting.
Thanks for this, Rook!
Agreed
But then I am a sucker for guys with potential (as opposed to polished, but lower ceiling guys).
I wonder if you see a scenario where the Wizards pick him in the draft? And how he would fit in on this team (Will his long term position be PF?)? Would the goal be to eventually replace Blatche and/or Mcgee (even though I am still a big Mcgee fan)?
by SidVicious25 on Mar 18, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Potential
Everybody in the draft has potential. the difference between those who make it and those who don’t are those other things listed: bball IQ and motor. 6’11 with an attitude, motor and high IQ sounds good to me. i can work with that.
Less flopping and whining
I see Valanciunas as almost a lock to be at least another Anderson Varejao, but with less flopping and whining.
At least. That’s his floor. I think he might have less bust potential than any of the other top draft prospects this year.
From that starting point, he has tons of upside potential.
He’s still growing, so who knows how tall/long he ends up.
He’s already the best rebounder in Europe, despite being an 18-year-old kid being banged around by full grown men. He’ll only get better as he gets stronger, taller, and more polished.
He’s a great FT shooter and supposedly an excellent perimeter shooter in practice. Will that shooting touch develop into a real weapon in the NBA?
Varejao with JaVale’s length and Kevin Love’s rebounding and shooting touch- how’s that sound?
Thanks, great stuff
In looking at his draftexpress profile, I find it a red flag they say he has very little in the way of offensive skills but relies on length and athleticism. He almost sounds like a Euo-Javale from their description….great offensive rebounder with no real moves who makes his living finishing around the rim
Priorities, in order:
1. Rebounding – check
2. B-ball IQ – check
3. Post defense – probable check
4. Motor, attitude – check
5. Pick and roll defense – check
6. Help defense – check
7. Pick and roll offense – probable check
8. Spot up shooting – probable check
9. Pick and pop offense – probable check
10. Low post offense – questionable
11. Everything else – questionable
What makes you think his defens is a check?
Javale has 25 pounds on this guy
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Mar 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Pau Gasol weighed 227 #s when he came into the league
so JV is bigger than Gasol and Gasol is a pretty good defender
by hambonejackson on Mar 18, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I said "probable check" for post defense
He will probably be able to put on the necessary weight. How many players, or people in general, fail to gain weight after turning 18? He shows good technique and a willingness to bang. He needs to add weight and learn a little more control.
Adding the toughness this organization needs-No Check
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Concerns
as to why he never shoots yet his FT avg is 91%?
shine like bald head, smoke trees call me log head
You don't want the best rebounder on the continent (per minute) shooting outside J's
Also, he’s only 18, playing with full grown men. Kid needs to pay his dues first.
The thing about JV
is that he will grow or has grown another inch. I have seen to heights listed for JV: 210 and 215 cms. So he is listed as either 6’11" or 7’. This might be because ha was 210 and now he is 215. He could be reaching Gasol proportions. His long arms and the quickness he has getting up is a reason he grabs so many boards. McGee gets up higher, but JV gets up faster.
by hambonejackson on Mar 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
JV gets up faster
I’ve noticed this, too. Valanciunas pops up and down really quickly. Other players might contest for a rebound when it first comes down off the hoop, but they better get 12+ feet up in the air and grab it cleanly with two hands, because otherwise JV will volleyball it and get it with his quick second and third jump ability. If he can learn to combine that ability with his bball IQ and awareness, I can see him not just getting a lot of rebounds himself, but also tipping even more to his teammates.
fine write up
if we can get jonas with the atlanta pick, i am all for it.
the top pick has to be one of the hi upside sfs
I'm kinda torn
I like the idea of a rebounding big who can play D with the late pick, personally a fan of Markieff Morris but a guy like Valuncieunas is fine too.
However what would than mean for Seraphin? We JUST picked the guy on “potential” and now we’re going to bring in a similar player (skills wise) right behind him? And Seraphin’s shorter than most of the interesting PFs that will be available towards the end of the 1st and certainly nowhere near JVs height…not sure what the plan should be
I will tell what will happen
We take the SF and Utah will be drafting behind us and they never miss a pick. They draft Kanter and we can watch Utah go to the WC finals for the next ten or so years while the Wiz are mired in the middle of the draft gain unable to get the big man we will need. We should take Kanter and get
JV, tank next season and go for a player like Oliver Miller. Then we can trade Blatche and/or McGee because the team wont need them anymore.
by hambonejackson on Mar 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They never miss a pick?
Do you think Gordon Hayward will be a better player than Paul George?
Are you ever awake? Because you are dreaming all day every day.
Utah just traded their franchise point guard and now they are going to the WC finals for the next 10 years? They never make a pick? Koufas? Fesenko? Hayward?
And a plan that involves tanking in order to get the best player in next year’s draft is such a pipe dream. You don’t tank because you want one player. Very little logic to your reasoning in my opinion. I also do not want us to draft these flag pole shaped euro-bigs. I’d rather not waste a high draft pick on a freshman version of Cole Aldrich.
by PhenomenalSwag on Mar 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being somewhat colloquial with the phrase "never miss a pick"
Every team misses picks, if its a top pick, they won’t miss this one. They do have Harris who is pretty good point guard himself. Kanter will do well in the NBA because of his size and skill as a player. He may well become a dominant player and if he does, there is no reason Utah can’t start heading back to the top in 2 seasons. Kanter just turned 20 and he will become bigger and stronger and a better player as time goes by.
JV may be a flag pole shaped Euro, but so was Pau Gasol. Thats the potential I see in JV. He has the same wingspan as McGee. In fact, JV weighs 240 #s at the age !8. McGee weighed 237 #s when he came into the league.
by hambonejackson on Mar 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a minor point of contention....
Valanciunas is listed at 240 pounds… and he very well may be… but he looks considerably lighter than that to me. As I said in my write up – he looks more like 225-230 to me.
I will be very interested to see if he attends the pre-Draft combine and takes part in the measurements. I think he’ll measure out at 6’10.5" (with shoes), 230 pounds, and a 7’4" wingspan, with a 28 inch max vertical, a 9’2" vertical reach, and a sprint time somewhere around 3.35 (faster than Andrew Bogut, slower than JaVale McGee)… These are not “scientific” measurements, just my guesses based on what I’ve seen from his EuroLeague games this year.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
ATL Pick Foreign Prospects
Nikola Mirotic
Bismack Biyombo
What do you guys think of Nikola Vucevic from USC ?
I really want Kanter w/ the first pick , but we will still need another low post player. Considering Kanter murdered Sullinger at the PF position, what about Vucevic as center ( opposed to gambling on a FA)? [Or flip their positions] ?….Or, is that just overkill ? As for round 2 , pick up a backup pg like a Kalin Lucas of Michigan State, or someone similar.
I've seen Vucevic a couple times this year...
He looks considerably bigger than the 6’10" they list him at… and he’s got a very long wingspan. Huge, wide shoulders… solid torso and big legs. He’s gotta weigh in at 260 or more, but he looks fit and strong (no baby fat on this kid)… And he looks strong as an ox inside. He’s got a nice jump shot with perfect mechanics; nice touch around the rim. He’s got a few post moves…. including a nice hook shot – but he needs to work on his left hand.
The games I saw, he dominated the defensive boards.. I think it was the Washington game he got 28 points and 15 rebounds, with most of them on the Defensive glass… He scarfed up almost everything even close. I also saw one of his games against Arizona where he again dominated the boards.
I just cannot believe he’s not a true 7-footer…. I think he has a chance to sneak into the first round – but if the Wizards draft a SF with their first pick, Vucevic might be someone to look at in the second round….if he’s still there.
USC did not make the tournament – Big, strong guys like Vucevic don’t show well in individual workouts…. I’d say he should still be there in the second round when the Wizards pick.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Derrick Williams just had a huge game
Fixed, but what else is new? Guy is a stud. Torn between him, Kanter and Barnes
Agreed
Also it depends what is the make up of the team you’re looking for.
1. Williams (plays better D, always in the mix down low)
2. Barnes (steady climb in college, he looks more solid compared to Williams)
3. Kanter he’s pretty much an unknown in the North American circuit, but he’s intriguing b/c of his size that he could bring on the blocks
Knew nothing about this guy, thanks Rook!
I really love how JV catches the ball high and puts it back up or in without lowering the ball, ala Andrew Bynum. Very impressive.
Last week Grunfeld was in Lithuania to scout J.Valanciunas
There is a clip from the match he watched: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E90K5sj2P4I&feature=player_embedded . Also Rockets GM D.Morey arrived today and will watch 3 next Valanciunas games. And wtf with ‘’Team: Lietuvos Rytas in the Turkish League’’?

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