NBA Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Mike Prada on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 AM EST
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PrintDiscuss all the rumors here, and also follow SBNation.com for the latest. Here's what's gone down so far:
- Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks
- Deron Williams to the Nets
- Troy Murphy to Golden State for Brandan Wright and Dan Gadzuric, with Murphy to be bought out.
- Carl Landry to the Hornets for Marcus Thornton and cash.
- James Johnson to the Raptors for the first-round pick Toronto got from Miami this summer.
- The Hinrich trade
- Baron Davis and an unprotected 2011 first-round pick to the Cavaliers for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
- Gerald Wallace was headed to Portland, but that deal is off the table.
- Oklahoma City gets Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson from Boston for Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic and the Clippers' 2012 first-round pick (top-10 protected).
- Memphis gets Shane Battier for Hasheem Thabeet and a first.
- Phoenix gets Aaron Brooks for Goran Dragic and a first.
- Portland gets Gerald Wallace after all for Dante Cunningham, Joel Przybilla and two first-round picks.
- Indiana was about to acquire O.J. Mayo for Josh McRoberts and a first-round pick ... but they missed the deadline! Hilarious.
- Boston trades Semih Erden and Luke Harangody to Cleveland for a 2013 second-round pick, clearing roster space to get Troy Murphy after he's bought out.
- Oklahoma City gets Nazr Mohammed for Morris Peterson and D.J. White.
- Detroit nearly traded Rip Hamilton to Cleveland, but Rip didn't want it.
- Sacramento gets Marquis Daniels for cash to get above the minimum salary floor.
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I'm surprised I haven't seen any "we could have traded Hinrich for the Clippers' pick" posts yet
That’s a great deal for Cleveland, too. Late first round picks are easy to get, but a lottery pick is usually almost impossible to snag without giving up a star or a great young player.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 24, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Also, what is LA thinking?
Is Jamario Moon the missing piece? Is Mo Williams going to be better in three years when Griffin is peaking than the eighth pick in the draft? They need another piece, doesn’t even matter that they technically have good young players at 5 positions, they can always use another, even if it’s just as trade bait.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
that is unreal trade for cleveland!! wtf!
did the clippers really value Mo Williams that much!!??
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Where are all the "addition by subtraction" posters now?
Perhaps it was more important to get Baron Davis away from Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon, Eric Bledsoe, Al-Farouq Aminu and Andre Jordan – than to keep him around and poison the well…. They’ve got their future starting 5 – - – Cap flexibility – - – now they need to add veteran role players – guys like Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
Besides, did the Clippers really need to add another mid-first round pick (Jimmer Fredette, Mason Plumlee type player) in a so-so draft?
I don’t think it’s that bad a trade for the Clippers – especially considering this draft… Of course, if the ping pong balls fall wrong, and that turns out to be a top-3 pick = then all bets are off , and Cleveland got a steal…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Feb 24, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a lottery pick they're giving up, potentially top 3
And to not protect it at all is really dangerous.
Yeah - but remember, the Clippers have Minnesota's pick...
top 10 protected this year (in a so-so draft) , but UNPROTECTED next year in what is shaping up to be a strong draft…. Potentially #1 pick next year…
The Clips traded away their pick this year because they don’t see anyone in this year’s draft they want…. I get it… They already have their Center, PF, and SG (and potentially their future PG in Bledsoe and their SF in Aminu)…
They’ve already got their “Big 2” (Griffin, Gordon) – and can add a potential 3rd star in next year’s draft – - – all while getting rid of Baron Davis’ cancerous personality – and saving some long term cap room.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
it just seems like they could have gotten more for the pick
either now or after the season
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
would the Cavaliers have turned that deal down in June, after the lottery??
no, of course not.
there was no reason to make this trade now. unless, you know, baron is sleeping with blake griffin’s mom or something.
if you dont want baron davis around, then just StephonMarbury his a$$ and tell him to stay home. But, to trade an unprotected 1st round pick right now, for two players on one of the worst teams in NBA history is asinine.
And I don’t buy all this talk of “weak drafts.” I don’t watch college basketball, but every other year people claim that its a “weak draft.” The 2001 high school class was supposed to be the best class ever, thus making the draft very strong. Well, Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, and Dasagana Diop all proved everyone wrong.
When you have the 7th worst record in the NBA, you cannot trade your upcoming 1st round pick for Mo Williams/Jamario Moon. Two players who suck. I am sorry.
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It was about money
Whether Sterling hoards it or uses it to resign Gordon and/or DeAndre Jordan is another thing.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and I think that would be a great market if only Sterling wasn't so loathsome
Normal fans are completely priced out of the Lakers so I think if people didn’t expect Sterling to mess it up that city could really rally around the Clippers.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
So how does Cleveland get better with this proposed trade?
They don’t. They secure the worst record and the most ping pong balls.
That is HUGE for them
Now Cleveland could land Sullinger + Jones/Jones/Williams/Irving/Williams/Kanter. Instantly they skipped a yr in their rebuild compared to ours.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Our FO is telling Ted the rebuilds over in June
“But I am happy that we have loaded up on picks and prospects. That part of the rebuild after we pick twice in the next draft is over. We have enough young assets now.”
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sure Ted
Nothing has convinced me less of the truth of that statement than this trade. I see nothing at all that will prevent them from doing exactly the same thing next draft.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Nets are the Big Winners so far
Dwill at the Point with Lopez at the Center is a tough combo next year.
I think they got better than if they would have gotten Carmelo.
yes he does
one of the most overrated players in the nba
by zl on Feb 24, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics looking to move Daniels for wing help
http://twitter.com/#!/KBerg_CBS/status/40806990913617920
I think we should get in on this, offering Howard or Mo Evans.
I expect Evans to be moved today- free agent coming up
I wouldn’t mind moving Bibby also and signing Shakur for the rest of the year.
I'd love to get Semih Erden out of any trade with Boston
Howard to Boston for Marquis Daniels and Semih Erden (Howard would have to waive his Bird rights)…. Getting Boston’s 1st round pick would be gravy…
The same trade works with Maurice Evans to Boston….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
what about getting some future-future picks from Boston
if we take back MarquisDaniels&JermaineO’neal. Say, give them AThornton+JoshHoward and we get 2014 & 2016 picks.
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Those future future picks are the ones Boston will need
because the team they have now will soon be on its last legs and they will be in rebuilding mode.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I meant that Boston isn't going to do it
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well if they think that a Josh Howard is what they need to compete for a title...
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
this seasons 1st
The team is still a contender and the pick is low. In a few seasons those picks will rise in the draft because Boston will no longer be a contender and they know it.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well this is the name of the game
We aren’t giving up crap for this years pick. We already got our mid 1st-rd pick.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cavs 2013 2nd for Erden&Harangody
And we weren’t in on that because…?
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well one reason comes to mind
Ernie Grunfeld is hopeless.
But that trade is pretty inexplicable.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which is better
Wizards trade 2013 2nd for Erden&Harangody
Buy 20-25 pick
Trade Hinrich before next year’s deadline
OR
Hinrich&Hilton for JC&Bibby&Mo
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
U think daniels is an upgrade over howard?
I don’t think so at all. Not like he is young either
They'd buy him out I'd think
It’d only be for the purpose of getting a pick for an impending free agent.
Boston might even throw in enough cash to buy out Daniels....
They like him and would probably like to sign him back this Summer.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Howard has zero value
There’s 30 games left in the season, and after that why in the world would he stay with this team unless he has continued to struggle with injuries to the point that contenders are scared off, in which case we shouldn’t want him.
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope another deal is in the works
Howard is an asset. I guess a couple teams are looking at him and Anthony Parker from the Cavs. Maybe Howard goes to whichever team misses on Parker. If we were to obtain Boston’s pick for Howard (anywhere from 25- 30) that would be a bonus. If ATL’s pick ends up being #19 or somewhere around there and we end up being able to pick up another pick in the late teens (which sounds like could be very doable with teams selling their picks), lets say #16, then do you think packaging # 16, #19, and maybe even #27 (if we were to do a trade with Boston) would allow us to move up to another top 10 pick? I know in the NFL it is easy to package picks and move up but the NBA can be tricky. Do you think it could be possible?
How are all the following players related?
Royal Ivey
Anthony Johnson
Tyronn Lue
Joe Johnson
Speedy Claxton
Acie Law
Jeff Teague
(and now) Kirk Hinrich
they drafted Marvin Williams even though they already Josh Childress & Josh Smith.
and then they traded for Joe Johnson. absolutely unbelievable.
especially cause marvin williams just wasn’t any good at carolina either
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
no
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Where did that idea come from?
If so, I would do it in a heartbeat. If he has anything like his daddy’s motor and commitment he will be a rebounding machine and decent inside scorer for many years to come.
just something that came up in my head..
the few games i have seen him since he came back from injury looks like he is going to be very good by next season. and he likes to rebound and get physical.
Blatche has almost ZERO trade value
Long term contract with recent episodes (fight-suspension and refusal to play).
No rumors since he has been on the market since December.
My opinion.
Why would they??
Because they’re a shitty franchise they will just take our carbage and give a us an asset for it?
no.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
toronto looked really damn good yesterday against the bulls
i have a feeling that team is not that far off. Amir Johnson & Demar DeRozan have improved by leaps and bounds this year.
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics shoping Daniels and a pick around for wing
http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS/status/40806990913617920#
Move now Ernie!!!!
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
Unfortunately
Daniels has the right of 1st refusal. Will he consent to a trade to the Wiz and miss out on the playoffs?
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
the old Devean George rule.
i dont think so. too bad for us
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
but he wouldn't be able to go back to Boston for 30 days
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but he is injured now,so he would be back for the playoffs!
So we get Daniels + buyout money + pick (possibly Erden but that might be a bit to much for the C’s) and Celtics get Howard.
Win-Win in my book
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Daniels is worried about missing the playoffs
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6154074&source=NBAHeadlines
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
damn i didnt know this was that serious. thats terrible
i saw the injury. it looked like nothing.
i hope he is all right. spinal cord injuries of any kind are awful.
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he won't worry about the play- offs
Just his playing career
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
well, thats just fan bloggers like us right?
not really a source
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
If I were the Celts I would much prefer Parker
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah , Parker would be my first choice too....
But Cleveland might want too much for him….. I wouldn’t be surprised if Danny Ainge doesn’t have a back-up plan already in place….. A trade ready to pull the trigger on , if he can’t get Parker.
They simply cannot go into the rest of the year with Paul Pierce as the only SF on their roster….. They have 15 players on their roster (maximum)… so a Trade is the best option for them…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Rockets are looking for a big man in exchange for courtney lee
Any chance we could do Blatche + Mo Evans for Lee + Jared Jeffries?? Salaries match. Houston probably wouldn’t go for it
And for people here who don't like Lee
who cares? we get rid of Blatche. I actually like Lee and feel like he could be a great 3rd guard. Also could be an insurance policy if we don’t resign Young. I don’t care if acquiring him would create a logjam now that we just got Bibby and Crawford, anything to get rid of blatche. But once again, Houston wouldn’t go for it. Maybe if we didn’t give him that extension things would be different
I'd do that, but doubt Houston would
Honestly, I think the best chance to deal Blatche is to see if Cleveland or Toronto will use their trade exceptions to take him for free
I agree I doubt Houston would
We would really just have to hope they love his potential and the fact that he is still very young. One thing that is interesting to me is hearing from my buddies who are fans from other teams who all tell me they think blatche is a decent player. Obviously they don’t see him as much as we do and notice the stat line and remember him from the end of last year. It leads me to the pipe dream GMs might think the same too. Obviously they do a little more homework though
Maybe Denver
might be willing to take him to unload Al Harrington around draft time. Maybe Harrington/Gallinari for Blatche/Thornton/ATL’s 1st in June.
I would assume Gallo is playing better than Dray
but his stats would seem to indicate he’s actually worse
IMO he fits our needs better
Blatche probably wouldn’t be so disgusting to watch if you have a brute in the middle like Nene. Let’s them hold onto Chandler and start Afflalo and Lawson. They’re much better off with that money tied into 24 year old Blatche instead of Harrington being 31.
It’s a win for them cause they get a more productive young player that’s a big, they get a 1st and dump Al. Their own pick will likely be in the late lottery so that pick plus the early 20s ATL pick gives them a lot of young players to evaluate next year as they determine what to target with their 2012 pick which will likely be in the early lottery.
We get a big shooter to complement a penetrator like Wall. I’d especially like to make that move at the draft if we can land Kanter.
What about...
Dray for Paul Millsap? I’m too lazy to try it out on the Trade Machine, but I think Millsap’s contract was around the same for Dray’s, no? I mean, Utah now has 3 PF’s with Favors, Millsap and Jefferson. You don’t think Utah would want a “stretch” 4 like Dray to offset the similarities they have in their current PF’s? I think both teams could easily benefit from this trade.
by geechy_suede on Feb 24, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason
That sentence makes me think of Karl Malone slapping the phone out of Grunfeld’s hands, and giving him the Mutumbo finger wag.
by Alpha_Snail on Feb 24, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think Millsap is a building block for them still
Although they do have three developing PF’s now so it will be interesting to see how they approach it
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Guessing they'll move Al first if they can
And if they have to move Paul, they’ll want contracts that expire sooner plus higher picks and/or better prospects.
If they are interested in just getting rid of him for expirings and a "prospect"?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4o4pxxb
Only problem is Baltche isn’t mush for trade bait.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
We get production
They dump salaries and get Blatche to top it off.
Too bad its 2:15 and I don’t have time to look up Ernie’s phone number.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we don't have enough expirings this year
to take Okur, expiring next year, off their hands. This team only has so many assets these days.
It’s tough because you don’t how close to all in on rebuilding they are either.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
John Hollinger, via twitter:
“Here’s an anti-rumor for you: Wizards say nothing whatsoever cooking with them.”
stupid
Apparently the hot SG candidates of Mayo, Lee, and Parker don’t look like they’re moving according to Bucher (just said it on ESPN). Mostly seems like because teams aren’t getting what they want in return. Moving Howard is a great opportunity that we’d be missing.
Avery and another 1st
would be fine to me. Better than just letting Howard’s contract expire. Avery and Jordan give us a couple of combo guards to choose from either as backups to Wall/Young or trade assets. The extra 1st is just more ammo to allow us to make moves at the draft.
Well if John Hollinger says nothing's happening - I guess that's gospel
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Plus there is no guarantee that moving Howard is even a possibility
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Because of the "no trade"?
I’m sure he’d waive it to play for Boston and compete for a ring.
Why?
He had a choice between going to a contender for the minimum and coming here for more money so clearly money and/or location is more important than being on a contender to him. So I’m not sure it’s a slam dunk that he’ll waive it.
If there was no CBA concerns I would say he would be crazy to waive his rights as this is probably his last chance to get a muilt-year contract and the best shot at that is a sign and trade to a contender. So I guess it depends on what Howard thinks with the upcoming CBA. If he thinks waiving his rights diminishes his chance at getting that last contract well….. I’m just saying none of us know what he thinks and playing for a contender is clearly not his #1 concern so the “Of course he’ll waive it” thought might be a bit of a leap IMHO.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't look for Howard to get more than a one year offer again next year from someone
He just rehabbed again. Super risky.
Boston wasn't an option for him last offseason
They used their money to bring in Shaq and Jermaine O’Neal. Howard stayed here cause we had cap space and were willing to pay him more than anyone else. This trade lets Howard get his cake and eat it too. He plays for a contender for $3M instead of the vet min. This summer the Celtics have the same ability to re-sign him that we would’ve had. I don’t see why Josh turns it down. Same money, better team.
Celtics have the same ability to re-sign him that we would’ve had. I don’t see why Josh turns it down. Same money, better team.
Actually no… If we keep Josh Howard, we retain his Bird rights and can go over the cap to resign him…. (More money)….
If he gets traded, he must first waive his Bird rights – so the team he gets traded to cannot go over the cap to resign him… they can only resign him by using an exception (MLE, Minimum contract, etc…)
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I don't see the Wiz keeping Howard, Lewis and Evans
I see them keeping Lewis and Evans.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
How do we have his Bird Rights?
We haven’t had him for two seasons to be eligible for the Early Bird Rights.
The Biggest Pickup would be if we can move Rashard Lewis?
Getting rid of that contract would be like having Christmas in February
Charlotte really wants to deal Gerald Wallace. They have contacted Cleveland and Houston.
I would love for him to be in a Wizards uni.
I wish we could've offered a small forward to Boston...but I understand they are looking at Anthony Parker.
Then again, I heard that we were going to be quiet at the trade deadline…and we ended up trading Kirk.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
So I know this is off topic, but...
Now that reports are saying we’re done for the day, what will our plan be this offseason (assuming the season ends as you could imagine it should from whats happened so far)?
I also see Howard gone
I think they will keep Evans and Lewis at the 3. I will guess that they may want a player like Kantor to play the 4/5 position, unless they have another player in mind. with armstrong and Yi gone they are going to need another 5 guy.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
“Boston has agreed to send Kendrick Perkins to OKC for package that includes Jeff Green, sources tell Y!”
@sam_amick: Boston has agreed to send Nate Robinson and K. Perkins to Oklahoma City in exchange for Jeff Green and other pieces, sour …
According to Justin Phan from yahoo sports
Bibby will look for a buyout
I hope he's willing to leave alot of money on the table
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
How would this effect our cap?
I know if we bought him out then next his $ for next year would count against the cap, but how does this work if he leaves money on the table?
My understanding is that any money they give back comes off the cap
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong. I am super underwhelmed about having him on our team but if we only save like a million over the 2 years I’m not sure what that would do for us. If we wanted a 50/50 Split well then……
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
from: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q63
The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 62) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract. If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary. For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million. The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million. The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
So
Bibby is owed $5,564,767 for this year and $6,217,616 for next year (total = $11,782,383) – Let’s just call it $11.8 Million…
If Bibby agrees to a $9 Million buy out, leaving say $2.8 Million on the table…. He could sign a veteran minimum contract with another team in time for the playoffs (vet minimum is $1.4 Million)…
the Wizards would be charged $4.5 Million this year and next year for Bibby’s salary for cap purposes.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Bibby
Bibby has already been paid more than half his 2010-11 salary while with ATL. So 9M is quite high. He’s owed less than 2.5M for the rest of this season.
I never understood how guys get bought out for sooo much
when they are the ones that don’t want to play for a team. We need a backup PG. If Bibby wants out, he should have to agree to a way smaller buyout.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well Perkins is expiring anyway and I guess they feel like they’ve been fine without him all season. He’s only played a handful of games. They’ll still have a solid backup in Kristic. They need a backup SF and Green is a good one and a young one to boot.
It’s the backup PG position I’d worry about for them. i guess they feel safe with West.
by MR on Feb 24, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well Green is also a FA
And while I think he’s pretty mediocre I’m sure some team will offer him something that will make Boston blink about paying to a bench guy. Who is Boston’s center next year? Erden? Shaq? Kristic?…..I’d rather have a great post defender at C then a backup SF myself but maybe they doubted Perkins long-term health. I see what your getting at but I think this trade is baffling myself. We will see I guess.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Danny Ainge may have lost his marbles or he made some more deals we haven't heard about.
Boston has traded Semih Erdan and Luke Harangody to Cleveland for a second-round pick, source tells Y!
West is fine
they know Rondo will play lots of minute in playoffs…they probably figure they just need 5-10 out of West.
What a flurry of deals.
Portland will send Joel Przybilla and a 2nd round draft pick to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace, source says.
Rockets trade guard Aaron Brooks to Suns for guard Goran Dragic, source tells Y! (+ 1st rounder)
Also heard JR Smith going to the Bulls, I’m sure we’ll know a lot more in about an hour or so.
bizarre:
@WojYahooNBA: Boston has traded Semih Erdan and Luke Harangody to Cleveland for a second-round pick, source tells Y!
Yeah but imagine what our jersey-sewing staff would do with those two names.
by MR on Feb 24, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
MR, you have been hilarious of late
I feel like you are encroaching on my turf.
by disgrunted on Feb 24, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't the deadline end at 3 pm??? Yet there are still so many trades haha
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Young pieces
Thabeet, Mayo, Erden, Harangody, LAC’s +- 8th pick in draft all get moved, wow
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like teams have been very generous to Cleveland this year
This is why the Wiz should have let Cleveland blow them out and Wall should have played like a bozo. Now, every one says the Wiz have Wall and don’t need help. So its a big Cleveland rescue operation, instead.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
apparently NOT!
apparently it missed the deadline
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/feb/24/grizzlies-trade-thabeet-battier-mayo-goes-pacers-m/
Surprised no one has mentioned the opportunity for Mayo
The Griz were gonna move Mayo for McRoberts and a non-lottery 1st. With Z-Bo looking for a payday, the Griz might be interested in trading Mayo for Blatche and ATLs 1st. The Griz are stocked with players on the wing with Gay, Allen, Young, Henry, and maybe an opportunity to re-sign Battier. Shifting that salary from Mayo over to fill PF also helps them manage their money to extend Gasol.
On our end, we can go with a slightly smaller, but fast and highly skilled lineup with Mayo and Nick both starting at the wings and Lewis at PF. I’d imagine this deal would take place after we’re able to secure Kanter or Sully to work their way into the lineup. Mayo is also insurance in case Nick gets a much larger than expected contract offer this summer.
They have to move Mayo now that this trade fell through
this might be the best deal they can get for him.
I understand the sentiments
but this is a potentially major talent upgrade. One thing I know is that OJ is at least gonna compete hard. OJ Mayo could potentially become a ridiculous partner for Wall. His contract also has two fewer years than Blatche. If he’s a complete failure we can decline his restricted tender. If we get a steal, we extend him. If we need more time to determine, we have two seasons before we commit.
We’ve been talking about how Blatche has no trade value, well then why not trade him for another zero value player, but one who’s considered to have talent comparable to Westbrook, Love and Rose.
I know we’ve had our own “Boo-Ray” scar, but Tony Allen was the one that took it to violence even if Mayo was being jerk. That incident isn’t enough for me to pass up an opportunity to upgrade from Blatche to Mayo and dumping $15M on the back end of his salary for a pick worth $3M.
Who thinks he has talent comparable to Westbrook, Love and Rose?
That seems kinda silly. In fact I’d say in terms of pure talent AB has a much higher ceiling than Mayo. Mayo is just a guy.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that
but he’s not playing well, either…..
Although, I’d jump at the chance to trade Blatche to Memphis
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
It still amazes me that, with all the griping about the team during actual games
- selfish players, dumb players, immature players, etc. – we still wander around in trade threads bemoaning the org’s failure to pick up more guys with talent over character.
I think we need to get the character turned around first. Swapping our problem players for someone else’s is not my idea of the best way to do that.
by wjb1492 on Feb 24, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh yeah....
and Hinrich!
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
like i said.. we are OFFICIALLY.. the WORST team...
The Detroit Pistons and Cleveland Cavaliers had a deal in the works that would have sent Richard Hamilton to Cleveland, however Hamilton would not accept a contract buyout after arriving. No deal was submitted.
OKC is killing them
Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Thabo, Ibaka, Perkins, Nazr Mohammed, Collison, Nate Robinson…
Spurs and Lakers → 
Nope
We didn’t have any cap room…. that’s the only reason that deal worked….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If we hadn't traded for Yi and signed Ho
We would have
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 24, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
THAT was the point...
The only way that works for Boston is if they don’t have to get back any players….
Either by trade exception, or by trading to a team with cap room – they could open up roster spots…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I had outside meetings all day
and logged onto the computer at 4 p.m. to see that (1) Danny Ainge done lost his mind; and (2) 1/2 the NBA is switching jerseys. Crazy.
yeah i didnt have internet for the past 2 hours and i no longer know where half the league plays
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
The Celtics moves seem insane to me
But what do I know.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
im hoping this puts the thunder over the top
ibaka will get more minutes by default.
addition by subtraction by getting rid of jeff green. better rebounding/interior d with kendrick perkins.
by John Park Williams on Feb 24, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention he's gotta be one of the best screeners in the game off or on the ball.
For a guy like Durant that can be very comforting.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t thought that they had talked to Perkins agent, felt that he wouldn’t resign with him for what they were willing to pay, and decided to cash out for what they could get that has more enduring value?
Now this year, I don’t see how they have enough bigs to play with anybody likely coming out of the Western Conference, though.
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
Yes, that's the thinking
But shouldn’t the Celts, with such an old team, be focused on just this year, and winning one more?
Where would any team play him at?
Horrible defender and awful rebounder at the 4. No great shakes offensively at the 3. Shot selection of Antoine Walker.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
We'd probably give Semeh Erden 5yrs to prove he can play
Boston dumps him for a 2nd rounder while he’s playing well….amazing
How good can he possibly be?
Boston just moved him for less than a 2nd round pick. You gotta believe their personnel people saw him every day for months and decided they knew his ceiling. Gotta respect that type of decisiveness imo, hell they had just drafted Harangody this year.
True but I would still make the trade
Just to see how good he can possibly become. He is a banger something we really need and if he does not turn out as we hoped we can dump him. He is worth about a second round pick as of now anyway.
by greatWALLofDC on Feb 24, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they really liked him and had plans for him.
Guess they were talkin shit behind his back!
Dude... With al this crazy deals going i really feel we misser out...
JHo, Yi, Al, Evans, Blatche or even Bibby and his buy out?
I mean in a market THIS volatile we should have capitalized. O, and i am flat out jalous at OKC….What a brilliant franchise!
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
One thing will remain the same
we can always envy OKC.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
WTF?
We got 3 first rounders in exchange for carrying $7mil ish salary for two years. How did WE miss out?
by MR on Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im not unhappy about that deal its just
that i feel we could have done more.
Howard, Bibby, Evans, Thorton, Yi, Lewis are not in our future plans and even Blatche could have been possibly moved if you look at the crazy deals going on today. It leaves me with the feeling we could have done more
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 24, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you feel all those guys could be moved?
Not sure where that belief comes from.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
OKC had assets....
They have their core guys (Durant, Westbrook, Harden) and a bunch of nice assets
So they uses those assets to fill in where they needed help (Center)….
As long as they draft well, in 2 or 3 years, the Wizards will be in the same situation… lots of young assets, with a couple years experience…. They will know their core guys (Wall, ?, ???? ) … and they can use some of the other assets to go out and get what they need….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
The Clippers are about 1 year behind OKC
They’re starting to get the hang of winning… getting to know what it takes…
They know SOME of their core guys (Griffin, Eric Gordon) and are still thinking about others (DeAndre Jordan, Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe)…. And they have a bunch of nice assets (2012 unprotected Minnesota First ; Chris Kaman’s expiring contract next year) and tons of cap flexibility..
This time next year, we may be talking about how the Clippers just put themselves smack in the middle of the Championship discussion because of the trades they made at the deadline…….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I think it depends on Sterling
If he uses the money saved to invest in Gordon and others it’s brilliant but you never know with that guy.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 24, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
So far, they've done things the right way....
Even the trade of their pick to get rid of Baron Davis – - – really sounds like a Ted Leonsis move (no Jerks allowed)….. get rid of the malcontents…..at any cost.
I’m just hoping the Wizards can follow in OKC’s and LAC’s footsteps – and draft the right guys…. (not in Portland’s footsteps)….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Where is that Clippers pick likely to end up?
I am making multiple assumptions there that I am forgetting about.
1) Mo Williams is not the waste of humanity he has been for my fantasy team.
2) The Clippers are so bad that that pick is likely to be a Top 5 pick.
We are now officially way, way behind the Clippers. [shudder]
John Carlson: A real American hero taking names and settling scores.
Souldrummer: A regular guy trying to join Adam Dunn, Jordan Zimmermann, and Garrett Mock as one of RobBobS' guys.
saving money is a Sterling move.
and whatever wins is the right way!
And how about the Suns moving Dragic?
That’s another guy who 80% of fans in the league assume is some soon-to-be amazing player they wish they had. Suns watch him 2 seasons and decide his talent is a mile wide and an inch deep.
That’s impressive imo, making surprising decisions on young players relatively quickly rather than waiting a few years just cause
It could turn out to be a horrible mistake
by greatWALLofDC on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt.
But I like the idea of professional coaches and scouts not needing 4yrs to determine if a guy they see practice and play every day is a keeper or not. I havent seen Dragic much, but I’m guessing he has some flaw they think precludes him from being the Nash2.0 many people expected
Makes you wonder how the jury could still be out on Blatche, Mcgee, and even Nick Young
In most franchises, they have accepted that their players aren’t what they drafted them for. But here, we let them stick around until they have a hot streak(in a contract year), give them an extension, and then are pissed when they still are as good as they were two years ago.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do think Nick has turned the corner.
The other night against Indiana he shot horribly but still ended with 16pts on 15FGAs, 5 rebs, and a few assists. That’s what a legit starting 2 should look like on an off night….and I suspect they plan on him being our starter.
But wouldnt it be hilarious if they re-up him and he goes Baltche on us next year?
Hilarious... uh-uh.
But that thought is out there for me. I honestly can’t have faith in a Wiz player right now, after I had sooooooooooooo much hope invested in Dray after last year, and then this.
by returnofswagger on Feb 24, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone want a peanut?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Feb 24, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you trust....
If Darryl Morey preferred Dragic to Aaron Brooks… I would tend to accept his judgment.
But what is he gonna do with Thabeet? Private lessons from Olajuwon and Dikembe?
Are you sure a pick was involved?
on nba.com it just reads Kendrick and Robinson for Krstic and Green.
by zl on Feb 24, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
They still have Minnesota's pick
top 10 protected this year, UNPROTECTED next year….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
48 players changed teams....
That’s more than 11% of the entire League….
That was one busy trade deadline….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
is it too late to offer the Clippers
Blatche for Blake Griffin?
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