NBA Trade Deadline: Kirk Hinrich traded to Hawks for Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, first-round pick
by Mike Prada on Feb 23, 2011 7:19 PM EST
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PrintIt looks like Kirk Hinrich is indeed on his way out the door. The Wizards' guard has been in trade rumors all season, and now it looks like he's heading to the Atlanta Hawks.
Michael Lee says that it's Jordan Crawford, not Jamal Crawford, that is coming back to the Wizards.
Kirk Hinrich not playing tonight. #wizards in talks with ATL (for Jordan Crawford), but no deal yet. Could happen soon, according to source ...
A lot of players would obviously have to be involved because of salaries, but I heard Jordan, not Jamal Crawford. #wizards
Meanwhile, David Aldridge of NBA.com has the specific trade.
Wiz trading Hinrich/Hilton Armstrong 2 ATL 4 Jordan Crawford, Bibby, Mo Evans, first
If this is the Hawks' pick this year, it will likely be in the early- to mid-20s. The Wizards only save about $500,000 next season, as Bibby and Crawford combine to make about $7.5 million in 2012, whereas Hinrich makes $8 million.
My first reaction is that I don't really like this trade, though the first-round pick is kind of nice.
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LOVE jordan crawford
and the pick is nice of course…anyone think chris singleton from florida state will be available during that hawks pick??? dude can play some D
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With the broken foot...
maybe
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah - he was shooting up the draft boards - then he broke his foot....
He’s a terrific perimeter defender – and good in transition… finishes well… good in the post… but needs to work on his jump shot.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I love this guy from the jump start
Was DYING for the Wiz to somehow land him in the draft. I think he is going to be a STAR.
I am ecstatic because I just have a feeling about the guy.
by returnofswagger on Feb 23, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
my sentiments EXACTLY
big Jordan Crawford fan from last year in college
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And showed the world what a spoiled brat Lebron is
Dunk in his face and then Lebrons Nike goons trying to confiscate all evidence. Now he gets a chance to do it again with real cameras rolling. Next time we’re in Miami I predict Jordan, Nick and Javale will all dunk square on Lebrons head. It will make another 20 point defeat bearable
Can we flip Bibby?
I loved Jordan Crawford in the tournament, of course. Don’t know if he’s any good though.
Yeah he did
He was great in Vegas.
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly the pick makes this ok.
Kinda meh if its this years pick, but hey, another pick in the draft.
by DCeee on Feb 23, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
On a qualitative level
definitely agree Bibby for Hinrich is not in our favor
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Are you serious??
for what? Hinrich wasn’t taking the Wiz anywhere. They didn’t play with any more poise because he was on the court. For all the good things he might do in a game he loved to turn the ball over too. Hinrich or Bibby aren’t the future. If you take Leonsis at his word, and there is no reason for us not to, they are rebuilding through the draft. Crawford has talent. And who knows what a first round pick will turn into. It might not be a superstar, but it can be a good player who contributes. So you get two young players with upside for a veteran who wouldn’t be around that much longer anyway. Bibby will be gone at some point. No reason not to like this trade. If they are going young, then go young and get young guys with potential.
i heard the 2012 draft is deep n the 2011 draft is thin. rook would know more but if true, ernie should have waited.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 23, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
Jordan + 1st?? Great trade
How long is Bibby’s contract??
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
Through next year
Same as Kirk’s, I think
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
do you think it will be higher or lower next year?
I kind of like it though because it spreads out our picks a bit….makes rebuilding a bit more spread out, providing flexibility
I'd rather have 2012
because the Hawks might be on the way down.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
yes...with stars migrating east...it could be a lottery
pick when all is said and done….stranger things have happened..
I actually like this trade
We get a first round pick, and a young player in Jordan Crawford whom I really like.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions
wait i think we're forgetting to ask an important question
does that mean wjb1492 will no longer be on BF?
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
Most likely
I’m a Hinrich fan.
The Bulls, D.C., Atlanta –
Where he goes, I go.
So we have one more evening together, my dear friends….
I’ll still check in on the Wizards, and you all by extension. Or actually, it’s more like I’ll check in on you all, and the Wizards by extension. But it’s hard to make time to seriously follow two teams, and it’s never been a secret that my loyalties lie with the player in this case.
So, I’m happy for all of you who are happy about the trade. A pick and another kid – not bad. This does mean the org got 2 picks and a player for taking on Kirk’s contract. I will always believe keeping Kirk was the better short-term move, but I know that’s not the true concern here. I hope you can either flip Bibby or buy him out, because I don’t think him off the bench is a great situation for anyone.
AND, I’m really rather happy to have Kirk going to a primary PG position – I’ve been wanting this for him since the Bulls drafter Derrick Rose. He’s much better at PG than SG.
Now I’m going to enjoy my last game 100% with the Wizards. Send us off with a victory.
Thanks - and good luck to you all, too
Who knows, maybe Kirk will retire as the Wiz hit their stride, and I can come slinking back in like a bandwagon fan.
You leavin? sorry to here that
I liked your contributions, so tnx! And good luck to you and kirk!
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
you will be missed my friend
your post were always insightful
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
haha thanks i appreciate that
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
boooooo
I disagree with this decision. But I wish you the best with Atlanta.
It’s just sad to see you taking your talents to a southeast conference rival.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I wonder if they're cool enough to haiku?
I do wish you guys well. In spite of the lousy record, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my half season at BF. You guys are among the very best. And who knows, maybe Peachtree Hoops will buy me out and I’ll end up back here anyway.
Heck, maybe Bibby will surprise the heck out of me and be a great Wall mentor and locker room leader.
i'm gonna find you and talk smack after Nick lights Kirk up
;-)
in my short time here you were amongst the best contributors for sure…dont be a stranger!
Wait
So you’re not actually Flip? Guess I was wrong. :)
by imperialme on Feb 23, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sadly enough, WJB is going to be long gone
His loyalty is to Kirk so it doesn’t really make sense for him to stick around here. He will be missed though.
I'm female, yes. Some would say lady is pushing it. ;)
No harm – I’m used to it. I actually picked a gender neutral name for SBNation – I’ve had issues at other sites with people dismissing me outright because a girl couldn’t possibly know something about sports.
We like to consider ourselves classy gentlemen here at BF
and we had some great female commenters come and go.
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Could we have done better?
Plus Atlanta is not a bad landing spot for Hinrich. I would have loved to see him go to better contender. A young guard and a pick, hard to argue with that.
Very good trade
Crawford and a first for the rebuild, Bibby to be a mentor to Wall, and I like Mo Evans. Since I can’t say this often — nice job, Ernie! No downside to this that I see.
Yeah finally a move from ernie where i instantly feel good about
mostly i have to come here and see if the BF community can talk some sense into it hahaha
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Crawford
Anyone who made LeBron look like a fool is welcome in my book. If Mo Evans is indeed in the deal, he’s a hustle kinda guy as well as a vet so i’m cool with that.
I’m still super-shocked that Utah got rid of D-will.
I don't see how anyone can dislike this trade
We get a young player in Crawford and a 1st round pick, while we exchange an old point guard for an old point guard. Hilton Armstrong doesnt even matter.
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
Thats kinda the way I look at it
Except Hinrich is exponentially better than Bibby at this point in their respective careers. He knocks down the 3 and play great defense as a point guard, not much more you can ask more.
Its not like having Kirk helped us in anyway
Remember we arnt making the playoffs until around 2013.
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
i dont even think Kirk is very good
but i’m still not sure i like this trade.
Or more accurately, I dont think it accomplishes much tho surely doesnt hurt us. Guess we could get lucky and see Crawford explode
bibby is a poor defender...
… but he knocks down the 3 at a much better clip than kirk
I guess I just don't like Jordan Crawford very much
And the first is nice, but realistically, many of those in that range may be available for $3M cash next year.
I've read your thoughts about the trade
Just wondering, what would you have classified as a good trade for Kirk?
Why dont you like crawford?
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
who would have thought
we’d end up with an instant offense guy off the bench behind Nick!
which is why im fairly meh
i mean, at least its not Jamal. Also, we are now a defensive sieve.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
exactly
i’m assuming crawford is athletic enough to play good D if someone makes him…bibby i’d rather not watch play
What evidence do we have
that the Wizards have any desire to play good defense unless they are self motivated?
That’s my issue.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
but but but
he dunked in LeBron’s face!
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 23, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
which is my primary concern
and why I am lukewarm on the trade. I’m not confident of our ability to draft in that range.
But hey – a pick is better than no pick.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I agree
Most of the time it seems like there is no sustained thought involved and therefore the Wiz don’t usually pick up gems like a team like San Antonio does (then again, most dont). It seems like they just go strictly for ‘projects’ in that range
yes
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Next year?
That may be even better. Atlanta is currently sitting at the 22nd pick.
They will get worse every yr from now
so next yr is fine. The draft might be better next yr as well.
plus its a trade asset for draft trades this yr
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
He's played 160 minutes
And why not get the pick and save $2.5 million rather than pay $3.0 million?
Defensive downgrade is the downside..
but if ATL somehow missed playoffs next year due to eastern conference renaissance, it could look like a steal….otherwise, I am basically neutral..I see the point…
If I were Ernie
I’d be calling that nut in Minny.
Kahn has taken advantage of us before.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 23, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what's not to like
Not sure what the point of keeping Hinrich would be. It’s not like the team has been performing with veteran poise with him.
Jordan Crawford = cheap Nick Young replacement?
the vet talk all rings hollow, it's just coach speak
and at least now KH can get to the postseason
I don't think Crawford is starting material, but he could be a good combo G off the bench.
Reminds me of Lou Williams
or Utah
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
(and we take a PF)
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by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN Trade Machine ... sobering experience
I gotta say, when I go play around with the ESPN trade machine, and put the Wizards in, it’s really shocking how little we have to offer any other team. Don’t waste your time on it.
Mo is an upgrade over Thornton....
Crawford is a good combo gaurd prospect, and Bibby is fine as a backup. Plus we got a FIRST…those are way overvalued these days.
Whats not to love about what we got for a guy who was overpaid and only going to be here another year anyway???
does thorton become expandable now?
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
I think he always is expendable
along with the rest of the players not named Seraphin/Booker on the bench.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
true but does that mean he will see even less pt going his way?
Mo is clearly an upgrade and we are congested at SF, so are all of thortons minutes just gonna go to Mo?
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
I think Al is going to be ticked
and his performance is going to dip since he needs to start to be effective.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Well even booker and seraphin are tradable for the right deal
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
or Howard!
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by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
is there any talk of maybe moving bibby after we get him?
is he going to enjoy being a back up? i really don’t want a moody mike bibby on this team
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
Not really sure there is a mraket for Bibby
Hasn’t been for quite some time now, how we thought we were stuck with Kirk, we’re STUCK with Bibby
stuck with bibby
i dont even know how to react to that
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
i hope it doesn't come to that
but i think all roads point to that option. maybe we can flip him for something if Ernie goes begging to a couple teams, but there is probably zero market for him
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
Am I the only one who will be looking at Jordan Crawford highlights at halftime??
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
haha no
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Kirk wins this trade
Atlanta continues their all in move for a possible shot at an Eastern Conference championship if they get some luck, though I don’t think they’ll get past the 2nd round.
It’s nice that we get a second first rounder here, but it remains to be seen if Bibby’s gonna like playing for us or not (if at all)
i thought his second 10 day expired
did we give him another one?
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
I wonder if Boston might be interested in Maurice Evans....
M. Evans + Ndiaye FOR Semih Erden + Marquis Daniels + first round pick
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Never mind
Can’t trade evans with any other players
Trade still works without Ndiaye
Marquis Daniels + Erden + first FOR M. Evans
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
shouldnt we want bradley instead?
wall/bradley,, young/crawford makes our draft much easier than being stockpiled at the SF spot.
Erden is better
and thats why they wouldn’t move him. Bradley is more likely to be in such a deal. Evans for Bradley is an easy win for the Wizards.
Yes.
I think they offered him the max extension possible with the CBA expiring and he refused knowing he could get more on the open market, even with a smaller salary cap.
I hope in a good way
Perkins is exactly what we don’t have in the frontcourt.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
we love players who have reconstructive surgery
since another team oversaw the rehab, maybe things will be better
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
i would love to have Erden
he rebounds, hustles and plays D..3 things are starting bigs do not do.
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
To look at this another way
Kirk Hinrich has netted us two 1st rounders and Jordan Crawford. So hey, not such a bad haul for one dude who is gone after 2012.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
by Sean Fagan on Feb 23, 2011 8:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Still don't love it though
I’ll probably have to explain why I’m lukewarm in a longer post, but it’s definitely not a bad trade.
And bibby costs 2.5 mil less than Hinrich next season
by hambonejackson on Feb 23, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
True
but Crawford is a long term player and Bibby is, at best, a 1 season player.
by hambonejackson on Feb 23, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
He is the 4th first rounder for the Wiz last seaso
Quite a haul. And if he is a bust, c’est la vie
by hambonejackson on Feb 23, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
We might be able to flip Bibby
Remember, we didn’t expect to be able to trade Hinrich this year.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 23, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but we werent going to spend that $$ in free agency anyway
the only way that this trade sucks is if there was a better out there.
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the difference is that big - more like $1.5M?
Remember, Kirk goes down to $8M next season.
Yup
Spinning one guy out for multiple assets is the OKC move. So hey, I’m coming around.
Still not super enthused as I don’t like Crawford much or our ability to draft late first, but I’m up on this more than I was on the Yi trade.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Maybe part of my issue is that I'm feeling worse and worse about the OKC model with each passing day
thank you, i didnt want to be debbie downer alone
but a move like this is irrelevant until it is spun into acquiring a 1A
It might not be the solution I thought it was
and defensively we are going to be terrible. But Crawford and the first at least give us more assets to play with.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
The problem is not the OKC model...
The problem is Ernie Grunfeld and Flip Saunders are given a chance to execute it.
Or another way
Quinton Ross netted us Crawford, Seraphim, a 1st, and hopefully whatever Bibby and Evans can be traded for.
You're right
Should have said, “The rights to Vladimir Veremeenko”
I almost want a t-shirt with this on it
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
There was also cash that came with Kirk from Chicago
I think this has to go down as a net positive for Grunfeld. I hope he can turn some of these assets into something in the off season.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Feb 23, 2011 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Initial Reaction Is Strongly Positive
I never bought the Hinrich-as-mentor argument, thought it was another way to justify the Seraphin trade for those who were upset at the comparative price the Wiz paid versus what OKC paid a few days earlier. So as long as Bibbee isn’t a disgruntled employee, I am not all that concerned about the downgrade from Hinrich to Bibbee, because neither is a factor in the long-term plans and a couple fewer wins and less vet PT isn’t a bad thing for a rebuild-through-the-draft team.
Now that for taking on Hinrich’s contract we have essentially gotten a 17th, a 22nd, and a 27th draft pick in 2010 and 2011, I feel really good about the original summer 2010 trade and this trade. So long as Bibbee isn’t a disgruntled employee a la Starbury
Why not?
So far I’m not seeing many reasons not to do this deal.
-We could have purchased a pick instead. Sure we could have but the Wizards are not exactly flush with cash. We are one of the teams asking for cash in every deal.
Otherwise, we’ve added 2 more first round prospects just for accepting Hinrich’s salary. And we could still turn Bibby into something.
Evans for Bradley doesn’t work. Celtics would have to include Wafer or Delonte West.
Were they?
I was never convinced that they wanted to spend for a pick, even though Ted talked a good game in that regard. We received 3M from Chicago and 3M from NJ for taking Yi. I never heard of a team turning down our offer.
If they were, they didn't look hard
As I’ve repeated ad nauseam, we traded the 30+35 picks to take Booker with the 23rd, even though Memphis was selling their 25th for a max of $3mill and surely would have preferred to sell to an Eastern Conference lottery team rather than a Western Conference playoff foe
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Jordan interview on that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hEfPabOilw&feature=related
comes across like a good kid to me. A shockingly ordinary kid too, damn i mean he could have been the young cat on the corner of any street! i like that.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Also funny is Lebron's response at 1:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoE4gGZxE1Y&feature=related
“it can happen, Jordan is a really good player” “if you do the ratio of me getting dunked on and me dunking on people…” whahaha lol, and true
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 23, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Now JC needs to learn the "I Can't Feel My Face"
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Yes he does.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
Who knew that Vladimir Veremeenko could be worth so much.....
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Ernie turned a 2006 second round pick (Veremeenko)
into 2 First round picks and Jordan Crawford (a 2010 First round pick)
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Can't believe anyone wouldn't like this trade.
A prospect and pick for flotsam? C’mon! Great trade. Where, exactly, was Hinrich leading us?
How much PT do we see Bibby getting?
With JC and NY at SG, won’t be any there. Leaving Wall’s 10 mpg leftovers, right? Yikes
Will he even try?
Or will Hinrich’s hurt calf become infectious?
My only problem
Is that no Bibby = J. Howard as our backup PG for the rest of this season. I know the season is lost and everything but that is a disaster.
He's 33
I imagine he will be unhappy to spend his last two semi-productive years playing 10 mpg on a lottery team. He may very well have only a year or two in the pros after this contract.
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
We are missing the crucial footage
of Hilton Armstrong getting into Hinrich’s Maybach and driving off into the night.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
They should have flown him out on Air Force One with the big final photo-op of walking up the steps of Air Force One with the big wave at the top of the stairs
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
EG does covet him some players he didn’t get to draft.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Has someone brought up Blatche's jersey?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Am I crazy or did it read "Baltche"?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
How can you not be a fan of this trade?
What’s to stop Ernie from flipping Bibby at the trade deadline next year for another mid level prospect?
But it follows with the new CBA
contenders making a play over the new cap will likely be desperate to shed salary
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
One more screwed up jersey is begging for a Wizard's jersey malfunction montage
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
negative...newsteam, assemble!
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
certainly
he could have showed porrly on that screen and allowed a layup just as well as Yi.
There are whispers that his PT is forced on Flip.
LOOOOOKS TERRRRRRRIBLE
BUTTT NOTTTTT ASSSS BAAAAAD ASSSS BAAAAAALTCHE
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mo Evans cannot be packaged before the break.
He can only be traded individually.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Right
So trade Blatche for Greg Oden straightup. Mannix is reporting the Blazers are trying to include him in talks.
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Feb 23, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly- what's there really to lose
This would be fab.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
i wish phil would have said instead..
“blatche heads to the locker room with a leg problem…” 5 Mins Later.. “reports are coming out blatche is being traded to the d-league for a promising rebounding PF”
I don't quite get the negative opinion on the trade here guys.
“What did you expect” to get for Hinrich? We got a prospect(one that happened to be my favorite player in the draft last year) and a first-rounder. Plus Bibby who will carry some value next year as an expiring contract. Plus Evans, who I read(maybe here) that Boston was even more interested in than Josh Howard.
In other words I <3 this trade. We might even wind up trading the two pieces that are baggage on this trade. Props to Ernie on this one(that feels good to say for once).
by returnofswagger on Feb 23, 2011 8:42 PM EST reply actions
It's not quite negative as it is trepidation at bringing in yet another unknown to an already unstable, and possibly imploding, mix
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I get that but its not like Kirk was really helping the whole thing. If you say you are all in on rebuilding, you have to go all in.
And this was close to an all in move. I don’t see Crawford hurting anything, and he is some insurance in case Nick is demanding an unrealistic contract. Plus some pressure for Nick to not get complacent.
by returnofswagger on Feb 23, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
i feel the same way.
im almost glad we eat some salary. this prevents us from making some boneheaded free agency move this summer ala the Nets with Travis Outlaw
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think the fear is that it is a low 1st rounder
where our track record isn’t that great.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
hello??? oleksiy pecherov??? never doubt Ernie's evaluation of talent
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it is next year's pick
Then you had a good point, I can see ATL declining and it being an even better pick. I mean they are a Johnson or Horford injury away from maybe missing the playoffs, in my opinion.
On second thought though, we should have demanded another first rounder for wjb!
by returnofswagger on Feb 23, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I would be jumping for joy if this was a 2012 pick. As such, a low first for a playoff team in a weak draft. Not as good.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I've come around a bit
My issue is that I think Kirk actually helped, and I think we could have easily gotten a comparable pick by just paying $3 million to some team. So then it sort of turns into Kirk for Crawford, and I’m not a huge Crawford believer.
But you do have to admit
that getting TWO first round picks and Jordan Crawford for Vladimir Veremeenko is a pretty good exchange….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
And who knows....
Ernie might not be done…..
Maurice Evans (expiring contract) might be moved before tomorrow (To Boston for Erden? To Dallas for a pick?)…
Bibby becomes a trade chip next year………
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
exactly
I always saw one of the biggest benefits of Hinrich was being an expiring deal in the 1st year of the new CBA. So now with Bibby, the contract isn’t as big, but is still an excellent chip to pick up another 1st, move up in the draft or package with another player for an upgrade.
I wonder if we could trade Evans for Daniels and Boston’s 1st. That there would be four 1st round picks we’ve acquired for Vremeenko. Trading Bibby for another 1st could bring the total to 5, but that’d be a bit of overkill. Point is that we should have plenty of ammo to make a move at the draft, next summer, or next trade deadline, though I think Bibby’s expiring is dealt before he has to be a backup next season.
what's bad about this trade?
the wiz stink this year, the wiz will stink next year, kirk isn’t part of the future so basically you get a first for nothing
it all depends on what other offers were out there
but yeah i agree, the trade looks good from my vantage point.
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
the opportunity costs are the main consideration in evaluating this trade. What other potential Hinrich trades did we lose out on, either this year or before next year’s trade deadline? I like the trade but I honestly have no idea what the opportunity costs are/would be so there is a convincing argument either way depending on what you think Kirk’s max trade value was.
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
CHEAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good efffin Job Ernie…good effin job
WE DA BEST…ALL WE DO IS LOSE NOW..NOT ONE DAY WE WILL WIN
DJ KHAAAAALID
ALL WE DO IS LOSE LOSE LOSE NO MATTER WHAT
GOT THE LOTTERY ON THE MIND THATS WHATS UP
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
by MadDog21 on Feb 23, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FLIP IS ABSOLUTELY FREAKING HILARIOUS..
now seraphin enters the game with a 30 point deficit?? wow. do what needs to be done please ted. im begging you.
The only better trade was none - hold Hinrich until next year and deal him then
(Presumably his expiring contract and experience would be a reasonably valuable trade commodity). However, there’s always uncertainty (injury, his jumper could totally desert him next year), therefore, this trade makes sense and removes the risk from hanging on to him solely as a trade asset (I mean, he wasn’t going to “get us over the hump”).
It’s a financial wash and gives us a little bit of upside that didn’t exist with Hinrich. B for now, A- if we use the pick right next year (i.e., don’t pass up the next Blair).
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 23, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions
If the wiz use all 3 draft picks next season
That will be 7 players drafted in 2 seasons. They certainly will be young.
I think the Wiz will try to trade up in the 1st.
We have enough assets to
I’d love to see us move all the way back up near the top 5. Maybe come away with Kanter and Harrison Barnes. Maybe Jordan Hamilton if we can only get a pick near 10. I think Detroit makes a nice target for us to use Blatche, Bibby’s expiring, Atlanta’s 1st, and maybe another one of our prospects to help them shed salary.
So we acquired a young Nick Young...
Maybe Ernie has a plan to hire Mike Dantoni when he is fired…
Chandler is streaky...with injury problems...AND a SF
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Or a stretch 4...but...
I’m too shocked to mount a proper rebuttal
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 23, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
the nets signed Travis outlaw last summer and now cant give him away
same with Al Harrington.
singing mediocre players who dont play Defense is a deathblow
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Since Leonsis got on board...
we got Wall and Booker…Jordan Crawford, another lottery coming up and another pick in the 20s…add McGee and emergence of Young to the list. Plus we have tradable pieces in Blatche and Howard so i expect more picks on the way…hopefully its a lottery pick
Just wish we had a top 5 or top 10 drafter making those draft picks
by Emmet O'Neal on Feb 23, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
This wins the contest for
“Most hilarious sincere question asked tonight.”
by malharden on Feb 23, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bibby, Josh Howard and Rashard Lewis
is a nice trio — in 2006.
Local teams love pretending its the early Aughts
Mike Bibby
Vlad Guerrero
Donovan McNabb
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
like the trade, now trade Blache and Mcgee
I dislike both of these guys. They are both talented and knuckle heads.
No defense, no effort.
Dagger
I think you have to make a coaching change
after this one.
by g zeller on Feb 23, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Roster overhaul is one thing
But if Flip can’t get these guys to play with any type of intensity, we’ll have a coaching overhaul in the off-season, if not sooner.
Tonight’s game does not reflect well on Flip. We were down 5 at halftime. Doug Collins made adjustments; Flip did not.
last night it was "the all-star game did it"
tonight the trade did it?
how fragile are these guys?
Please.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Hoopshype
Alex Kennedy: The trade has been completed. Hinrich and Armstrong for Bibby, Evans, Crawford and a first-round pick. Players have been informed of deal.
Is this the bottom?
3rd game in a row we’ve been down by 30
We’ve lost 14 out of 15 or something like that
Our only win in that span is against a horrendous team
Our players are showing ZERO improvement
And now they appear to be quitting
Yuck
Tristan Thompson with that ATL 1st rounder...
or a Morris brother from Kansas would be cool. We should be able to get a stud SF in T.Jones or Barnes with our 1st pick..
We should continue to bring in Booker off the bench..
I prefer my power forward to be really soft and jack a lot of 18 foot jumpers.
by Oldbuckwilder on Feb 23, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
btw Mr. Prada
I just noticed the new slogan on the top of the page.
Good Call.
"McGee is running the transition? I'll stop him..." - James Jones
Too lazy to go through the whole thread
But doesn’t this basically turn Hinrich into 3 first round picks? He was the tax for Seraphin’s spot, and now we flip him for Crawford and another pick. Between this and the Gil trade, I’m not sure how I feel about Ernie anymore. I feel lost.
what the hell
i like hinrich, but he’s useless on this team. a first rounder for him and a young guy who could get better, even though it’s probably an outside shot. and i don’t have to watch armstrong anymore. lots of good stuff there. now trade mcgee while somebody might still might want him. i wanted to believe, but he’s just an knucklehead i guess. draft a center.
spurs game
flip on the spurs…this is a real game!
I love this trade
Saw Jordan Crawford torch us in the preseason and NY hasn’t really been a factor lately.
Flip please play him so we know what we have.
Are you there Mae Jude?
by g zeller on Feb 23, 2011 9:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just saw Chauncey teaching Jennings a thing or two.
NYK v MIL
"McGee is running the transition? I'll stop him..." - James Jones
Ernie asked me to draft his press release -- please read and comment
“We are very excited to add Mike Bibby to the Wizards organization. I really liked him coming out of college and wanted to draft him, but have kept my eye on him his whole career, knowing that someday I would acquire him and we would make sweet music together. I know I said the same thing about Kirk, but ever since he started wearing those goggles, he hasn’t put the same motion in my ocean that he once did.
Oh, and I got Jordan Crawford and a pick because Ted told me to. Good night!"
by disgrunted on Feb 23, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
In Ernie's defense
Sactown era Bibby was just dreamy
But that was the golden age of NBA ball
So it’s okay.
disgrunted strikes again.
Lol.
But it won’t be so funny when he actually says something along these lines tomorrow.
by returnofswagger on Feb 23, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'opotamus
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
Watching the postgame
Is Falk even allowed to discuss the Bullets? Isn’t he banned or something?
I think Flip's about to cry
It’s painful to watch
I feel Grunfeld is quickly replacing this roster which just replaced the last one this season with a new one
One more draft and they may start encroaching on the starters this season
McGee
Blatche
Seraphin
Booker
Lewis
Young
Wall
Crawford
Bibby
Lottery pick
other first rounder
Which leaves 1 spot open on the active roster for next season.
What, our second rounder won't make the team?
Neither will Yi or Thornton?
Omigosh, these Wizards are deep!
(snort!)
Its not that the 2nd rounder won't make the team
Its more like who will? They now have 5 players from the last draft on this team. Thats 1/3 of the entire roster from 1 draft. At minimum, they have 3 picks and if they keep them, that will be over half the team in 2 drafts. 8 players from 2 drafts. That will be remarkable if you think about it. If they did another draft of 3 players and kept them, that will be 11 players and nearly the entire active roster and they are all on rookie contracts. What payroll?
by hambonejackson on Feb 23, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Listening to Wall's postgame
Off topic, but I love this kid. Love him. I think he needs to be more vocal directly with people, personally, but he basically just said the whole team is soft.
What's not to like about this trade exactly?
We basically picked up two late first round draft picks for the difference between Hinrich and Bibby. Granted, Hinrich has more value than Bibby (both now and next year), but I don’t think we were going to find a team willing to give us two first rounders for Hinrich next year.
Also, Jordan Crawford is a promising player at a position of need who I think this fanbase wished we could have drafted. This really seems like a win to me.
Starting to cool to this trade
JC’s undersized and a poor defender, for starters. If JC is a non-entity, then this trade amounts to trading Hinrich for 3.5 million in savings. Bibby and Evans arent assets, they were pieces necessary to get the deal done. So if the Wizards could have bought a 20-25 for $3 million and instead got the Hawks pick and $500K in savings, then this its Hinrich for $3.5 million. This trade hinges on Crawford, the more I learn the less I like but still overall positive-to-ambivalent.
Hollinger gives the Wizards a B+ for this trade
Washington walks away with three first-round picks (counting Crawford) merely for having Hinrich on its roster for two-thirds of a season.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
And Hinrich played well and helped Wall along as well
So i suppose he actually cost the team about 4 mil if his money is pro-rated. But don’t forget Veremeenko.I always knew he is worth a couple of 1st rounders himself (Seraphin and Hinrich).
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Also gives the Hawks a B
So pretty much a win-win in his eyes, but Wiz can still say they won the win-win.
Liked this line:
Also, I’m looking forward to watching Hinrich squirm with his goggles in person every night. I may need to create a goggle-adjustments-per-minute stat just for him.
I have to say, it's really rather nice to have you say Kirk has been good for the Wiz,
even if it’s on the way out the door.
I think the issue comes down to how well people expect Kirk to play. On paper he’s an upgrade over Bibby, but personally I think he’ll be even more effective there just because Atlanta’s a better team so the little things he does will make more of a difference.
Also, I’m hearing that Bibby’s a decent screen setter, so maybe he’ll improve that aspect? And he does shoot 3s better and at a higher volume – however that translates into limited minutes, assuming he’s even willing to come be a good citizen for 1/3 a season.
I for one was a huge Captain Kirk fan
Mike and I had many arguments about it on blogger row.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I'm late to the party
I’m shocked we got so much for Kirk and Hilton. I like Kirk, but he’s not worth all that. Perfect time for a trade with Atlanta. They seem even more desperate than we are.
I think it was a good trade
Hinrich was good for 1 more season and Armstrong was good for about 27 more games. in return, they get a late 1st rounder, receive a back up point guard who can knock down 3’s and a player who is 22 and makes about 1.2 mil and is still on the 1st year of his rookie contract. How much does Al Thorton make? What if Crawford is no good. So what? He will be making 1.2 mil for 2 more seasons and the team does not have to pick up his option. On the other hand, what if he turns out to be very good? The downside is negligible, the upside is great. If he is better than Al Thorton he only costs half as much and you are already seeing a return. Its a good trade.
by hambonejackson on Feb 24, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
To Do:
Fire Flip
Give AS MUCH PT AS POSSIBLE to the young guys:
Wall
Seraphin
Booker
McGee
Crawford
Play the Vets who have been beneficial:
Jo Howard
Nick Young
Sit the Vets who have contributed next to nothing:
Yi
Thornton
Lewis (cant shoot for Sheet no more)
Blatche (you get nothing…offense Graveyard meaning the offense Dies when the ball touches your hand)
And finally, give Bibby and Evans a little run to see how they fit in.
PZ
This isnt the NFL
Just because a player is picked in the first round means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as to whether he will pan out or not.
Being picked in the first round of the NFL draft actually means something, it reallys means almost nothing in the NBA.
I’m just saying.
Hope that these new guys work out though.
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