ive been thinken
by back_to_the_future on Feb 17, 2011 6:04 PM EST
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Projects, for the most part never pan out to be better then role players. I will explain in the following why the wizards are far behind the curve then people think and why the clippers are far ahead of the curve then people are willing to admit:
SUPER SUPER-STARS
1. The draft rarely gives you a super-super star. There only 5 super-superstars in the league right now and they are the following: dwade, melo, james, D12, and kobe. They were either instant stars or a year later was their breakout year. All the above have 1) that "it" factor, 2) single handedly puts their team in the playoffs early because they knew how to win early 3) and may be the most, managment does whatever it takes develop their individual talents and surround them with complimentary players. these guys can be on any team and not only dominate, but win!
We all can admit that we have a star in J-wall. (1) he has that "it" factor. However (2), he/the team/managment all have a losing mentality. Jwall may not have it completely, but he is losing very badly and for those that played a sport, it can be very contagious. (3) if he is the core, he is surrounded by players that does not compliment him one bit. ball movement is key to his development. The teams #1 scorer is Nyoung and ball movement makes his game obsolete.
Now look at the clipps. The have Blake grff. (1) he is a superstar in his 1st actual playing season (2) he single handedly keeps his team in games (3) he has players that compliments his game. and gordan is still young!!!!
SUPER-STARS
2. In the NBA, the superstar is born during their 3rd year. It is the breakout year. Look at all the superstars in the past and present. It was during their 3rd year that they became household names. the doubled their stats form the 1st year to the 2nd, and then trancended their game to the next level in the 3rd year. the thing is with the super star, the role players play a vital role in their success. look at derrick rose, rondo, deron williams, and chris paul. they have role players that not only compliments them, but they contribute. rose is a slasher: so you have a qucik pf that can shoot and rebound effeciently and a blue collar center.....rondo has the big 3....deron williams always had versitile bigs that can rebound and push...and cris paul has another all star caliber pf with catch and shoot players that play scrappy defense.
the wizards has a rondo-rose palyer in wall. his right hand man is young. a one on one player that doesnt pass. option 2 is a pf that thinks he is scottie piipen and forgets he lacks athleticism. everybody on the team besides booker and mcgee are anti-wall
the clipps....they have a d12 at pf with soft hands..a savy vet pg that looks to pass...a young sg that can score....an all star center and vet in chris kaman......are you startiong to see my point?
to sum this up, the wizards projects are not worth the PT. how do we have a team full of projects? what sense does that make? this will never work!!!!!
we need a savy vet that knows how to play and teach mcgee how to position himself....kirk is fine for jwall, but he is not a winner..he is a scrapper. mcgee reminds me so much of samuel dalembert....not good. we should have never got rid of seun livingston....yi is an asian blatche...terrrible..
i suggest we trade young and blacthe for robyn lopez , pietrus and jared dudley........and draft the bpa all the time.
BASKETBALL IS THE ONLY TEAM SPORT THAT THE TEAM WITH THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT WINS. forget about projects...a teasm should have 2-3 at the most...the other players need to be compitent
Projects, for the most part never pan out to be better then role players. I will explain in the following why the wizards are far behind the curve then people think and why the clippers are far ahead of the curve then people are willing to admit:
SUPER SUPER-STARS
1. The draft rarely gives you a super-super star. There only 5 super-superstars in the league right now and they are the following: dwade, melo, james, D12, and kobe. They were either instant stars or a year later was their breakout year. All the above have 1) that "it" factor, 2) single handedly puts their team in the playoffs early because they knew how to win early 3) and may be the most, managment does whatever it takes develop their individual talents and surround them with complimentary players. these guys can be on any team and not only dominate, but win!
We all can admit that we have a star in J-wall. (1) he has that "it" factor. However (2), he/the team/managment all have a losing mentality. Jwall may not have it completely, but he is losing very badly and for those that played a sport, it can be very contagious. (3) if he is the core, he is surrounded by players that does not compliment him one bit. ball movement is key to his development. The teams #1 scorer is Nyoung and ball movement makes his game obsolete.
Now look at the clipps. The have Blake grff. (1) he is a superstar in his 1st actual playing season (2) he single handedly keeps his team in games (3) he has players that compliments his game. and gordan is still young!!!!
SUPER-STARS
2. In the NBA, the superstar is born during their 3rd year. It is the breakout year. Look at all the superstars in the past and present. It was during their 3rd year that they became household names. the doubled their stats form the 1st year to the 2nd, and then trancended their game to the next level in the 3rd year. the thing is with the super star, the role players play a vital role in their success. look at derrick rose, rondo, deron williams, and chris paul. they have role players that not only compliments them, but they contribute. rose is a slasher: so you have a qucik pf that can shoot and rebound effeciently and a blue collar center.....rondo has the big 3....deron williams always had versitile bigs that can rebound and push...and cris paul has another all star caliber pf with catch and shoot players that play scrappy defense.
the wizards has a rondo-rose palyer in wall. his right hand man is young. a one on one player that doesnt pass. option 2 is a pf that thinks he is scottie piipen and forgets he lacks athleticism. everybody on the team besides booker and mcgee are anti-wall
the clipps....they have a d12 at pf with soft hands..a savy vet pg that looks to pass...a young sg that can score....an all star center and vet in chris kaman......are you startiong to see my point?
to sum this up, the wizards projects are not worth the PT. how do we have a team full of projects? what sense does that make? this will never work!!!!!
we need a savy vet that knows how to play and teach mcgee how to position himself....kirk is fine for jwall, but he is not a winner..he is a scrapper. mcgee reminds me so much of samuel dalembert....not good. we should have never got rid of seun livingston....yi is an asian blatche...terrrible..
i suggest we trade young and blacthe for robyn lopez , pietrus and jared dudley........and draft the bpa all the time.
BASKETBALL IS THE ONLY TEAM SPORT THAT THE TEAM WITH THE BEST PLAYER ON THE COURT WINS. forget about projects...a teasm should have 2-3 at the most...the other players need to be compitent
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So you are saying Durant is a loser?
He won 20 games in his rookie yr and 23 in his second year.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
I agreed with the draft rarely yielding super-superstars (perhaps why there are only "5")
I’ll go one step further and suggest we should combine stem-cell research, gene therapy, and orphans to create a renewable source of super-superstars for the next generation.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 18, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been grading papers
And I keep having this insane urge to take a red marker to my computer screen…
by wjb1492 on Feb 18, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
painful to read
but more painful to comprehend.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
What the hell?
Rondo wasn’t ever expected to be a star in the NBA when he got drafted. He got really lucky to have the Three Party lead him to the 2008 championship and as they age and wither, Rondo at the same time has found ways to keep them effective and mask any decline in their games. It was a mutual process at the end of the day, but the Big Three developed Rondo in my opinion, more than vice versa.
Rose was a PG who was drafted to a good team that just had one bad year where they missed the playoffs rather narrowly and lucked out in the draft. Most 1st picks in the draft go to really bad teams.
KD not a superstar?
B-Diddy a savvy PG vet? I guess he has become that way this year, but he hasn’t had a sexy reputation overall in his career.
What’s the point of keeping Livingston? He’d be sitting at the end of the bench playing one or two minutes a game, and last year, he showed that he still deserves a shot to be a rotation PG on offense/SG on defense
many points of note
-BGriffin is 2 years older than JWall
-when Kobe was JWall’s age, he averaged 15 points on a team with Shaq, Eddie Jones, & Nick Van Exel. But Kobe only averaged 8 points in 13 playoff games, on 40% shooting.
-you can’t compare JWall & D12 on any level
-Chris Paul played 2 years of college; Deron Williams played 3. JWAll is a lot better at 20 than Deron Williams was at 23
-Gary Payton, one of the 5 best players of the 1990’s, only averaged 6 points per game as a rookie on a bad team, even though he was 22 years old.
bottom line, the WIZ/JWall are in a good spot. I knew he wasn’t a good shooter, and he has proved me correct, which he needs to improve. I have been surprised by his high/sloppy dribble, and hopefully he can improve his handle.
The idea that JWall has suddenly acquired the Shareef Abdur-Rahim loserdom disease is crazy.
by John Park Williams on Feb 18, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions
I agree with the point in the article
The Wiz have a self perpetuated habit of loading the team up with sub-par talent, project players, and aging superstars. This year is no different. The only difference from past years is that we have a talented #1 pick to throw in the mix, but its not going to change the fate of their season. This is the culture that needs to change within the organization. Everybody can see the talent that Wall has, but playing him with sub-par talent will only hurt his development in the long run. We need to find a GM who knows how to bring in top-level talent.
what exactly would you have done differently over the last year?
all this hating on EG, but I have only ever gotten angry at one move, and one move only: the Arenas extension.
Other than that, every other move at the time it was made made some sense.
The recent Arenas for Rashard trade will go done as one of the better trades in Wiz history. Arenas brings nothing to the table other than being a drama queen. We get a catch&shoot player who allows the ball to stay in JWall’s hands.
by John Park Williams on Feb 19, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Even if moves make some sense
that doesnt absolve a GM when they turn out to be dead wrong. Trading the 5th pick for Miller/Foye is one of the worst moves you’ll ever see.
Agreed, but everything happens for a reason...
If we had that #5 pick on draft night, we may have drafted Rubio ourselves. He would’ve stayed over in Spain and we’d never have drafted John Wall since we’d still be holding out for Rubio. Not to mention probably would’ve drafted Even Turner with our #1 pick this year and had not one, but two #1 picks go bust.
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 22, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Catch and shoot with a busted knee
He might not even play again this year. But honestly, I would like to see management be a little more agressive in trying to acquire young talent. Not just draft a bunch of players and hope for the best. I mean make an agressive, but honest effort to acquire young, top-level talent.
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 22, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I stopped reading after like the first few paragraphs
I mean come on, d-rose is clearly the best player this season so far
I think it's best
if we read “thinken” not as the misspelling of “thinking”, but as an entirely new adjective meaning ‘speaking in tongues’. This then restores the poster back to at least the perception of sanity.
Otherwise, I got nothing.
I think you all get the point of what the original poster is saying
He would like to see the Wiz try to acquire superstar talent rather than a bunch of lesser knowns…
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