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Washington Wizards Defeat Milwaukee Bucks Despite Dribbling Exhibition

One would think that having a 16 point, 17 rebound game would leave you free from criticism for the evening. Alas, you are not JaVale McGee and you do not play center for the Washington Wizards, so the mistakes you make on the court will be rehashed to the media despite your solid effort.

Flip Saunders:

Beat em' by 12. JaVale was very active rebounding wise and did some nice things offensively. As we explained to him at the end of the game as he started to go on his dribbling exhibition, that's one of the reasons why we lose on the road. Because we get in close games and we do those things. I tried to ask, I said "Why?" He said, "I can't explain."  Well, you can't do that because players lose trust as far as throwing him the ball in a late game situation and then it becomes easier for teams to defend against you. That's probably the most glaring as far as a negative we had because we had an opportunity to close out the game but we had a couple of bad possessions.

Now compare this to the comments on Cartier Martin:

Well Cartier was huge. I told our guys, I gave him game ball. Y'know he came in, made shots, defended the three well, played within the things he could do well. Just gave us a good boost.

Now, JaVale was not the only player criticized by Flip Saunders in the postgame conference. Nick Young was also singled out for taking bad shots throughout the game. Further, it is probably stretching a comparison to place Martin alongside McGee, as one is a role player who rarely leaves the bench and the other is a starter trying to increase his minutes. Still, I think the comments bear some scrutiny.

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The simple fact of the matter is that McGee does not have the luxury of simplifying his game to the degree that Martin or to a certain extent Young do to become more effective. I think the most telling quote was when Flip stated that Martin "played within the things he could do well." For Martin, that is becoming a three and D guy who limits the degree to which he puts the ball on the floor. Because as fun as Martin is to watch, he still lacks the the ball handling ability to be anything more than a 8th or 9th man on an NBA squad. Young too has managed to improve his game through simplifying it to catching and shooting and effective man defense. In fact, it appears to vex Saunders that over the course of the last few games Young has tried to stretch his role and has begun to freelance at a more frequent rate. Tonight, Young was most likely excused, because Flip is a firm believer in the "hot hand." However, if those habits reappear in the San Antonio game, it would not surprise me to see Young sit for a "teaching moment."

That leaves us with McGee and whether removing him immediately after a mistake is helping or hindering him at this point in his career. Because along with the stick there must come the carrot. Is it truly worthwhile to bench McGee on two occasions on the evening for mistakes when he was also making an effort to grab defensive boards, something he is not known to excel at? Further, there remains a question of whether these mistakes are all created equal. To yank McGee following his third dribble drive could be defended, but the argument is weakened when McGee was also pulled for attempting a dunk on a clear path to the basket. At this point, it might be better to limit the stick to one particular action, rather than a myriad of offenses that freeze up the player and have him perform at less than his optimal level.

Wizards Notes

  • John Wall didn't have night to blow your mind statwise, unless you happened to look at the Bucks boxscore. When you hold Brandon Jennings to 9-24 on the night, you have done a pretty good job defensively.
  • Andray Blatche looked more aggressive on the night, even if his shot was not falling. Even better was the fact that Blatche teamed up with McGee to play solid interior defense for most of the evening. The duo still gave up 46 points in the paint to the Wizards 36, but the improvement on both players' parts should be noted.
  • I think Rashard Lewis needs a rest. It was good of him to give it a go considering he was a gametime decision due to his knees, but he didn't appear healthy on the floor. I worry that Lewis is molded in that Mike Miller warrior cast in which he won't ask out of a game unless he is physically limping. It might be best to cut his minutes down over the course of the next few games to give his knees a break.
  • DUNKS! If there is one reason to be a Wizards fan this season, it is because they dunk the ball in truly impressive fashion. Nick Young had three on the night, which he noted might have been a career high. JaVale also had a few impressive jams on the night. I hope the team is keeping a running scoreboard.
  • BLOCKS! OK, not a impressive night blockwise, but special mention should be made of Kirk Hinrich's rejection. I never knew he had it in him. Young complimented Hinrich's "bunnies," which has to be an NBA first.

More tomorrow.

Poll
Wizards' Merlin of the Game
JaVale McGee (Defensive Boards!)
90 votes
Nick Young (Points/Dunks!)
40 votes
Cartier Martin (Daggers!)
125 votes
Other (For other stuff!)
4 votes

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My vote is for Cartier

This game was in the early stages of slipping away from us at some points during the fourth quarter. No one wanted to take over and close out the game. Cartier hit some very daggeresque threes that really sealed the deal whenever the Bucks cut into our lead. I would have liked to see Wall or Nick to close out the game and demand the ball, but when we were struggling, Cartier hit some crucial, much needed shots.

by PhenomenalSwag on Feb 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Pretty impressive

when a guy who keeps on taking “bad shots” shoots over fifty percent from the floor and currently has a TS% of 54.6

by Marine4Life51 on Feb 10, 2011 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

I think it is very impressive

but it does not make them good shots, regardless of whether they go in.

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by Sean Fagan on Feb 10, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

what about when he continues to make the same type of shots

I think he has earned to take some of those shots… especially being our only half court threat that can create his own shot. We badly need his scoring so I don’t think we or the coach should be nitpicking about a couple bad shots.

I think it’s definitely something Nick should learn from and continue to improve but it bugs me that the guy puts up 25 + shoots over 50% and we hear that stuff. Should be something thats looked at in the film room to continue his development and thats it

by koop1122 on Feb 10, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to vote for McGee at first for recognising his effort for getting rebounds.

but then read that he "was yelling at my teammates, ’Don’t take my rebounds,’ " .
That’s immature and selfish. Not good basketball.

So I voted for Cartier, who seems to be quietly doing his things.

by isum on Feb 10, 2011 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

Umm...he could be saying that as precaution for any unforced turnovers or him falling down on someone.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Feb 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As the greatest coach in sports said:

“Praise in public criticize in private”.

Vince Lombardi

by Izman on Feb 10, 2011 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

I agree...

…but even Bart Starr had to go to Lombardi and tell him that that’s exactly what he had to do if Starr was going to lead the team. By the time Javale is ready to go to Flip and tell him that, that’s when I’ll be in this camp.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 10, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Being more explicit...

Lombardi also said:

“You show me a man who belittles another and I will show you a man who is not a leader”.

by Izman on Feb 10, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a fine line that Flip has to walk. Doesnt want Mcgee's head to swole

but constant negatives dont work on anybody.

You have to hope that behind closed doors Flip is telling Javale something to the effect of “You were dominant on the boards tonight and that’s why we won. You can be a perenial all-star if you just play the same way, and any real success this team has in the future is going to depend on your play in the paint” etc etc etc

IMO, javale is the key to this team. We are not going find kevin durant in the draft. If Mcgee “gets it”, we can maybe do great things with him and Wall and some other talent (nick, drafts). If he doesnt….it’s a much longer road if it happens at all

by DCrez on Feb 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

This was a good and much needed win....

For those who think that Nick and JaVale are not part of the future… perhaps you should quiet down for a while… There are certainly some players (Hinrich, Lewis, Thornton, Yi, Armstrong, probably Blatche) who the Wizards might trade away if a decent offer is made, but you do not eat (or trade) your seed corn and these two guys are just that.

Praise of course to Cartier Martin. As other have said, he demonstrated the good things can happen when you have a 3 who can stretch the floor. More reason to keep Booker as a 4 and not fall victim to the urge to experiment with him at the 3.

I assume Wall will get back his keys to the palace now, also.

by khrabb on Feb 10, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

, he demonstrated the good things can happen when you have a 3 who can stretch the floor. More reason to keep Booker as a 4 and not fall victim to the urge to experiment with him at the 3.

I respectfully disagree – although Cartier had a nice game both offensively and defensively – Right now, the Wizards cannot afford to overlook the obvious advantages of having a big, strong, quick, fast defensive minded Small Forward on the team to defend guys like LeBron, Carmello, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, Paul Pierce and Luol Deng.

Don’t get me wrong, Cartier did a fine job against Corey Maggette and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, – and I think he can be a fine role player, coming in to hit the occasional 3 from the corner and bring some energy – but day in and day out, do you want him defending the position in the NBA that arguably has the best talent?

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 10, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

And by the way....

This is a general question for the BF community…….

How many guys do we really need to “stretch the floor” – - – ?

I’d say we’re ahead of the game in “floor stretchers” and behind the 8 ball in “floor shrinkers” (ie: low post scoring threats)….. Right now it doesn’t matter how many “stretch 3’s” or “stretch 4’s” we have – if there’s no one down low to take advantage…..

Until the Wizards get a “floor shrinker”, they will be a jump shooting team – resigned to the fact that if they’re hitting their jumpers they have a chance to win, and if not, they will almost certainly lose.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 10, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s like having a great passing attack but no running game in the NFL. You can have all the shooters you want, but if you can’t force some defensive attention on the low block it’s always going to be tough, especially late in games.

by seewhite on Feb 10, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong....

what we need to due is trade our major scoring threats and floor stretchers, identify projects that we can get at a minimum value, and focus on drafting backups who can turn into starters 5 years from now when John Wall is in his prime and also a potential floor stretchers.

It is a perfectly viable strategy to ignore gaping holes in the middle because as we know, defense doesn’t win championships, high 3-point% wins championship. Because they are worth more points? Right?

/snark

by DavidDunn on Feb 10, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

2.5 floor stretchers needed

If you go through our lineup plus/minus data at 82games.com, you’ll see that we should aim to have 2.5 floor stretchers on the perimeter at all times. 3.0 is even better because it allows us to “sacrifice” Blatche’s 0.5 floor stretchiness for some post play and still have 2.5 floor stretchers on the perimeter.

This will all be much, much easier to juggle next year when John Wall becomes a 0.5 floor stretcher.

by yop32 on Feb 10, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

which data is that?

i’m not familiar with the “floor stretcher” number you’re mentioning

by DCrez on Feb 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Five man unit data at 82games.com

Count Blatche and Thornton as 0.5 floor stretchers. Better shooters are 1.0, worse are 0.0.

A month and a half ago, I was wondering about this same question and did a quick look through the 5 man unit data with the above criteria, and the correlation was startlingly pronounced, once you discarded the three guard sets. The correlation breaks down when you screw the D up too badly.

Haven’t checked it since, but I’d bet the conclusion is still valid. It would be interesting to see how things stand now, with some decent data after the Arenas-Lewis swap.

by yop32 on Feb 10, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Any data on how many floor shrinkers needed?

Because the Wizards have ZERO right now…… and I’m sure that a good team needs at least one (Boozer, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Zach Randolph, Nene, Love, Blake Griffin)…

Perfect example is Griffin… Last night, the Knicks decided to double team him… He created more shots for his teammates simply by being a post threat… He didn’t get a ton of assists (2) but every time he was doubled in the post, he passed out – and the Clippers swung the ball to the open shooter (usually Foye or Gomes)… They hit a TON of wide open jump shots last night simply because of Griffin’s inside presence.

Four possessions in a row, Baron Davis got assists by passing the ball into Griffin in the post… when the double team came, Griffin passed back to Davis who hit the open perimeter man (usually Gomes or Foye) and they had an uncontested jump shot.

Of course Griffin still got his points on put-backs, alley-oops and in transition, finishing with 21…. but his presence in the post allowed the Clippers to get a bunch of open shots – and they shot 55% from the field last night as a result. I thought I was watching Orlando’s offense last night…..

That’s what a great low post scorer does… Obviously he gets points… but more importantly, he opens up the offense for the rest of the team…. Perhaps equally as important as having a good Point Guard is having a serious low post scoring threat.

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I see Cartier as a backup SG

He has two or three inches on most of the SG’s with enough lateral quickness to guard most of them. In that role i would like him as a 8th, 9th or 10th man on the roster. Nice to have but no nescessity.

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 10, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Kirk should sub Wall and Cartier sub Nick more often.

IMO, our worst look is with Kirk and Wall on the floor together. I’d like to see Flip have some confidence in a Kirk-Cartier backcourt and see how it goes

by DCrez on Feb 10, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Ive been thinking this same thing for the longest time

I cringe everytime I see Flip put both Wall and Hinrik on the floor together, because those are the only 2 guys who can run the offense. If one has the ball the other is usually idle. Second who backs up John Wall? Flip really needs to get that rotation down. C. Martin is perfect 2 guard not small forward. He could spell nick young while picking up the defensive intensity, Al Thorton in for Lewis, Booker or Yi in for Blatche and Armstong or Seraphin in for McGee. Seems simple enough….

by CharGrayJ on Feb 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He picked up a foul on the dunk attempt, so maybe that's why he sat.

I agree with sitting him after the “dribbling exhibition”….but it is noteworthy that Yi gets kudos and praise for 3/4 court dribble dunk while Mcgee is apparently not supposed to put the ball on the floor. The other night Roy Hibbert of all players dribbled 3/4 and dunked….it does happen around the league, but the timing of it last night was unacceptable.

by DCrez on Feb 10, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone else think that maybe Flip is doing JaVale McGee a service

 by somewhat demeaning him to the press?

Its obvious to me that Saunders feels he’s not getting his point across by pulling JaVale to side like a mature adult.

I think some guys need a kick in the ass in many different ways. Maybe this is a good thing

by wisbob on Feb 10, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

What I did notice last night

was Flip doing a lot of teaching…. Pulling guys aside and talking… He was constantly in John Wall’s ear. I saw him talking to Nick, animatedly showing him something with his arms…. (perhaps how to get closer to screen setters, or maybe how to get around a screen…. certainly something to do with movement)….

One very interesting side bar – he pulled Seraphin aside and had a clipboard…. was drawing something on the board – and Seraphin bent down and was looking at the board intently and listening to Flip… On the next time out… I saw Flip talking to JaVale, and he wasn’t even looking at Flip…. when it was over (very short conversation, 5 seconds or so), JaVale nodded… but otherwise he was looking off into the distance….

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 10, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He does that on the floor as well

and he loses track of where the ball is on defense, which is sort of a shame because he is the center. His recognition of guards coming around him is slow because of this, so guards simply go right past him. Its troubling

by hambonejackson on Feb 10, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What's more troubling is that he has so many guards going past him...

If the Wiz could slow down dribble penetration, it would help immensely.

by YellaFella on Feb 10, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That screen on Jennings by Seraphin was pretty nasty, too

I like Jennings a lot, but seeing one of our guys flatten someone is always kind of cool.

by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 10, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Shouldn't that opening be "You are JaVale McGee, and you do play C for the Washington Wizards..."

Anyway, I do think Flip gets a little overly critical in public at times, but those are also the guys that need to get it together to be able to close out games, and probably the guys the Wiz are definitely planning on keeping going forward.

by wjb1492 on Feb 10, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Minor point...

…but Wall didn’t “hold” Jennings to 9-24 shooting. Jennings is shooting .381 from the floor for the season. He shot .371 last season. 9-24 is about average for Jennings.

by TheSecretWeapon on Feb 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Wall "held" Keyon Dooling to 9-11 last meeting

Wall has also allowed opposing PGs to put up better stats than their norm. So I think one could safely use “hold” as a measure of Wall’s defensive effort.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Trying to figure out Flip's comment or sense of judgement will just result in a headache

Yea Dray doesnt over dribble EVERYTIME HE GETS THE BALL… Its just blatanly amazing that this team wins games when Flips hands are cuffed i.e. only dressing ten guys. So his crappy sub patterns are thrown out the window.

by baltimorebullets80 on Feb 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

To cut down on Flip yelling at McGee for his dribbling exhibitions

I think the Wizards’ in-game audio folks should cue up the Globetrotters’ “Sweet Georgia Brown” theme song every time McGee starts busting out the dribbling moves. That should be sufficient mockery to keep him in check.

by disgrunted on Feb 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

That would be hilarious!

"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff

" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 10, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't understand how McGee can say that he doesn't know why he does things on the court

He is claiming he has OC disorder with the basketball. So now the team has to figure out how to get the ball out of McGees hands as soon as rebounds it. McGee won’t pass the ball to Wall because he can’t help himself and he wants to score every time he has the ball. He makes a 24 year old Arenas look like a team player. Is this something to look forward to next season?

by hambonejackson on Feb 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

My gosh, the guy just can't win.

16 pts/17 boards, controlling one of the East’s better Centers and he still gets drilled here.

by YellaFella on Feb 10, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Lose the game, rag on Flip. Win the game, rag on Flip.

That’s fine if you want to do that, but then you can’t really complain that Flip rags on JVM when he has a good game. Or else you’re just like Flip.

by mogoman on Feb 10, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

I got to give Javale mad props for an outstanding effort.

His best game in a long time. Here was a game that highlights my case that each Wizard has to be able to Man Up and outplay his guy. Not everytime, but enough to win in the games where we match up with the compitition. A week spot is exploited over and over until it is fixed. That is the case with our interior D. The Bucks fogot to run back door traps and midrange lobs that are an automatic goaltend. I also have to give a big huge OLE! to Dray who play within himself and only got one Ugh in the game thread. I rag on Dray as much as anybody, but when you get paid tons to play a game, when you stink that’s what happens.
Back to JaVale: OK He tried attacking the basket successfully but other than His slams his shot starts with his back to the basket and then progresses to a couple of quick, giant steps that ends with a charge or a weak throw at the basket (sorry can’t call it a shot) where Javales momentum carries him off the court and out of postion to get His own clanger off the back iron. If you compare it to Howard, Nowitzki, Gasol et cetera these guys bring it by looking at the rack making a elevated shot or attacking and staying around to jam their own misses where Javales out of the picture on His misses. To reiterate Javale has to learn to “face up” and look at the hoop then attack while maintaining concentration on His shot and all the while jockey for inside position on the probable board. If McGee can master the face up, take a shot or move to the rack then do your own putbacks I’m going to give up on giving up on McGee and actually belive that He is a part of a future run.
I will also say that when We start winning and our shooters are doing their job, and Wall’s inside out game starts winning games, then Wall will relax and start hitting his outside jumper that will open up the inside to his drive and kick-out or inside slams or short passes to a ready Blatche or McGee. I’m always amazed when Wall hits these two with a pass and they aren"t ready. Come on if Walls attacking they have go to be ready foe the last second no look drop off. That’s Walls game and so far these guys can’t get their brains to understand that they have GOT to be ready for a Wall pass.

by Janber on Feb 10, 2011 8:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

THAT quote is Flip ragging McG?

I think it was pretty tame. And included praise. “Good job but we’re not satisfied yet”. Seems like a good message for the whole team.

by MR on Feb 12, 2011 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

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