Washington Wizards Waive Larry Owens, Mike Wilks; Roster Set
by Mike Prada on Dec 21, 2011 1:01 PM EST
in Wizards news
Email
PrintThe Washington Wizards waived guard Mike Wilks and forward Larry Owens today, bringing their roster down to 15 players. Neither move is a surprise. Wilks was always going to be training-camp fodder, and Owens' deal was fully unguaranteed. Once Nick Young signed the one-year qualifying offer, Owens' days were numbered. The team preferred to keep Hamady Ndiaye in the fold, and I don't blame them.
The Wizards' roster is currently at 15 players, and this is what you'll see. Ted Leonsis confirmed on his blog that the Wizards will keep 15 guys because of the shortened season. That means this is your likely depth chart.
SG: Nick Young/Jordan Crawford/Roger Mason
SF: Rashard Lewis/Jan Vesely/Chris Singleton/Maurice Evans
PF: Andray Blatche/Trevor Booker
C: JaVale McGee/Ronny Turiaf/Kevin Seraphin/Hamady Ndiaye
Obviously, many people can play multiple positions, so those position designations are not permanent. My guess is we'll see a lot of small lineups with Vesely or Singleton at power forward. I also hope Mack can seize the backup point guard job, because I'm not wild about Crawford or Mason being that guy.
92 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Not a bad depth chart
Probably not going to win a lot of games, but as long as the guys are working hard and not slouching I’ll be rooting for them. Go Wiz
There goes the last of our D-League guys
These guys played hard and brought a lot of hustle to the Wiz last season. I really hope there is room somewhere in the NBA for them. Really wish Larry and Othyus the best!
If he does
it means things aren’t going so well. Crawford is supposed to be one of our future core pieces and Mason isn’t.
I don't think any of the "core" pieces have been decided upon yet...
Other than John Wall…..
And especially Crawford…. Unless he can improve his efficiency, his most likely place on the team will be as a bench “scorer”….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Dec 21, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think EG went all-in with McGee
He put himself in a postion where he is almost forced to resign him…prob for around 10mm per season. …also true with AB but to a MUCH lesser extent
by les boulez bomber on Dec 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Javale isn't gonna get 10 mil per season
unless he makes a dramatic jump. And if he does, then no one will be complaining about payin da man
Follow me on Twitter: @adamvolo
Two things that are likely to happen:
Javale gets $10m.
People complain.
if DeAndre Jordan can get 10 mil as a backup, JaVale can get 10 mil as a starter.
by Alpha_Snail on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
The Clips weren’t exactly planning on retaining Chris Kaman
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 22, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
He's also the better player
You cant buy a bucket with potential.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really liked Larry owens.
He can sometimes hit that spot up three and he can finish on the break. Also his defense was decent. Should’ve kept him instead mason
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Dec 21, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't get it.
Lack of energy is one of the biggest problems on this team. Why cut loose all the good energy guys? I’d so much rather have Owens in a prominent role than Rashard Lewis!
How ’bout a second unit of Booker, Owens, Jeffers, Mack and Singleton? Nobody would ever score on us and the opposition would be flat on their backs from all the bone-crushing screens!
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
That's Crazy
Rashard may be past his prime, but he’s still a much better player than anybody we cut.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
by cuppettcj on Dec 22, 2011 8:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Flip has some tough decisions to make
If I were him Lewis and Crawford would fall outta the rotation for now. I just don’t think they fit right now. Crawford has the wrong mentality he’s abandoned the playmaking he was doing last season jacking up shots. And Lewis just can’t play anymore and is too slow playing with this fast team.
Mack would back up Wall and Singleon my starting 3.
I totally agree about those 2
but crawford will not be a starter, obviously, with nick back. he is much better suited for a back-up role. and as awful as lewis has been, it’s possibly the weakest position so it’s tough. we all seem to love singleton, but can he start? i’d almost rather have evans start.
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Dec 21, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
i like what you did
But I would have Singleton come off the bench for defense intensity and let Jon start. The man was a 6th pick and played well on Friday. I would rather see him start
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 21, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe -
it would be great if he could become a starter, but it seems way too early for that.
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
i think hes more ready than singleton is
And the only way to find out is to put him in the starting line and then seeing what he got! The kids got some serious potiental and is as athletic as they get with length and good d. It will be sweet to have him wall and jvm on the same floor to start the game
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 21, 2011 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ronny Turiaf's 4 points, 3 rebounds and 62% free throw shooting is critical to the wizards success
NOT
The point
The success of Ronny Turiaf (or the Wizards) is not critical this year.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
Follow @Dylan___V
by returnofswagger on Dec 22, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
For Crawford to maximize his value to the Wizards
He needs to become capable at both guard positions.
Turiaf is on the roster because we got 2 second round picks for him FOR FREE
Kevin Seraphin is a long term committment.
I hope JaVale and Kevin get all 48 minutes at the Center position.
Nothing against Ronny but he is a short term player.
How long do we need to wait for Keveen to be as good as Turiaf is now?
Considering Turiaf is a 28yr old journeyman drafted in the 2nd round, I’d really hope Seraphin eclipses him pretty soon, like next month.
He needs minutes to develop though
This guy is our 1st round pick that EG traded to get, seems fair to expect he can be better than Tiny Gallon. If he isnt going to get healthy minutes this season I’d rather he spent some time in the dleague, he’s gotta be on the floor somewhere
I've always thought the 'needs minutes to develop' thing was a misconception.
To me its a simplistic way to look at a multitude of dynamic situations. While I do agree that experience helps, and that there’s nothing like it, I don’t think that the lack thereof is necessarily a developmental impediment. Just by virtue of the fact that the application of learned skills is the last step.
I think where it breaks down for me, conceptually, is the implication that any 6’10" joebob can be an NBA player if he’d only get some benefit-of-the-doubt PT. Or the implication that the only thing Yi (or Party John Ramos, or Stewey, or Joseph Forte, or Courtney Alexander, or any of a million other flameouts) really needs is more minutes… Not saying that it all boils down to black and white (good enough or not good enough), I’m just saying that along that bell curve, the further you are to the right (the better you are), the more playing time you will get. But by virtue of being further to the right, you were already in line to improve more than someone to your left.
oh I certianly dont think Keveen just needs PT to be an nba player.
I think he needs to get the PT so he can prove he’s an nba player and we’re not wasting our time with him. Only so many bagel stat lines a guy can have (and he’s had plenty) before talk of “he’s just raw” and “project player” starts to ring a bit hollow
And that's the other thing.
“Prove” to whom? Us fans only have access to his playing time. Those in the position to make decisions about him have a lot more to go on.
by jones-y on Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
What he said
I think the calls for playing time here often come from a desire to see for ourselves what a guy can do. But Flip sees. Based on Kevin’s playing time allotment (on a terrible team) and what little I’ve seen, my assessment is that Seraphin is a long-shot to become a good NBA player. The most likely outcome is that he will peak as a 9th or 10th guy on a playoff team.
Still, he’s much more likely to pan out than Hamady. It’s highly unlikely that H becomes a useful NBA player. As the 15th man on one of the worst NBA teams at age 25, he’s pretty much the definition of a long-shot.
Don't know about you, but I have never gotten any better at something by NOT doing it
With less practice time in a condensed schedule and little game-time experience, Kevin isn’t going to get better imho.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don't recall anyone saying he's not doing it.
All we can say as fans is that we don’t see/know what he’s doing…
if he stays behind Turiaf then we know he's not doing enough to
beat out a journeyman, 2nd round pick….which I would say is a bit of a disappointment given the reports outta France this summer.
my point was really that if he’s not going to get much burn with the big club why not send him to the dleague for a stint, get him some PT.
He's not beating out a veteran who was brought here to teach him.
That says something, you’re right. But its not a condemning statement…
We don’t yet know how much burn he’s gonna get.
And by the way, why on earth would we pick up a second round big man when Stewey is available?
I think Seraphin is going to be fine
A lot of people don’t seem to think he can play, but he hasn’t really had the court time to show anything. What I do see when he gets some time is a guy with a ton of strength and tenacity. He’s got confidence in himself and his ability to bulldog anybody on the court. Lot’s of big men need time to mature. Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler weren’t sh** when they first started out, and they were able to figure it out.
So many ifs...
Should be interesting.
Won’t be boring.
And, who knows, we may… at least from time to time… be pleasantly surprised.
GO WIZ!
What is slightly concerning to me is
that Mack appears to be far more calm and collected with the ball in his hands than Wall. I love it when guys stay in college longer than one year because they gain BBall IQ. I know Mack won’t be starting, but he makes me feel so mellow when the second unit comes in. Hopefully soon, Wall will start to look the part as well.
Go Wiz
by WizKid27 on Dec 21, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
after two years leading the bulldogs to the championship game,
that has to have made shelvin quite poised, at least to start out his pro career.
by thewiz06 on Dec 22, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Crawford will be fine with alittle pine time to refocus him.
I think he can really help this team but only when he’s in the right frame of mind. He see’s NY as competition and is trying to out NIck Young,Nick Young. If Crawford plays his game sets guys up takes the good shot he would be better off.
Nick Young is already a troublesome player for me but to have a smaller more wreckless version in Crawford is just too much for the team right now.
not to mention young is much more consistent shooter
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Dec 21, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Young is a likely candidate for a trade
in exchange for draft picks.
by hambonejackson on Dec 21, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I have never been on the Crawford train
I say trade him now while people still think he can ball. Target a playoff team and ask for thier first…in case the Wiz kids are better than we think they are going to be so we could possibly package it to move up and get Lamb (UConn not UK)
Yeah, I’m rooting for this year, but looking forward to next
He can veto any trade, though
So the draft picks we would be getting back likely wouldn’t be high ones.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
I imagine a 3-way trade.
Young was drafted 16th so I know he won’t take any lower than that unless there is some other young player involved. I did think of the possibility that if Young meets certain level of play they will pay him. However, I don’t see them offering more than Blatche, Young is going to hit 27, they seem committed to Crawford, the team isn’t tearing up the league and Young has a mercenary mentality.It adds up to trade and teams that will make an all star weekend deal will be potential playoff teams (assuming the Wiz are not one of them).
by hambonejackson on Dec 21, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they could have left a spot open for Othyus Jeffers
I felt like he was the one who got the team to play defense last year. He also brought a different type of energy to the team. I didn’t see energy in this team until Othyus got here last year and now I don’t see that energy now that he’s not here. :-(
I liked him too
but how many offensively challenged energy guys can they keep? They already invested two first rounders in that type of player (Book and Ser-AH-fin)
I know
But we could lose Roger Mason and I would fine with that. Every time I see him and can only think of him going 0-10 in that final playoff game against Cleveland.
I think Mason will end the year
as the primary backup for Young. He has a consistant jumper and he plays like a vet. Besides the rooks, I think he is the bench player they can least afford to lose
Jordan Crawford
Brought life to our team
last year.We need his energy.
by g zeller on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Looks like a squad capable of getting a top-6 pick
Hopefully this team can play hard each night and show improvement over the course of the season… Thankfully the lockout will lessen the totality of hurt we’ll be receiving as fans
Between Crawford/Vesely/Singleton/Booker/Blatche/Seraphin/Mack, I wonder how many of these guys will ultimately be shipped in a trade for another star, be it a year from now or 3
by Max Zamphirescu on Dec 21, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions
NY
Watching a replay of the game from last night & Philly’s color commentator, Malik Rose, was giving Young a lot of praise. He’s also said he can’t believe the Wizards didn’t lock him up. All my friends say they can’t wait to their team has a chance to sign him. Seems like everyone loves Nick except Wizards fans.
Outside/Inside Bias
While the outsiders are happy to appreciate him from an individual perspective and what he’s theoretically capable of, wiz fans have to look at Young for how he plays for the team and the player he currently is.
For them he’s a dynamic scorer who can hurt you in so many ways. For us, he’s a shooter who takes contested shots instead of finding the open man. I appreciate that he’s asked to score. But he doesn’t always score in smart ways.
He’s also historically been a lackluster defender, which is something that an outsider may not be paying attention to as those of us who are watching his man go to the hoop for an easy 2 points.
by thewiseguy on Dec 21, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I should add
That Young has definitely gotten better on defense.
But the year I had season tickets to the wiz (2009-2010), I just felt like screaming at him constantly.
the reverse is also true
as we are looking at other team’s players with the same rose-colored glasses
the grass is greener on the other side
by thewiz06 on Dec 22, 2011 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
Afflalo didn’t have a problem finding a new home at about where Young wants to be paid.
by hambonejackson on Dec 21, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be a stickler
But Affalo re-signed with Denver since they could offer him the most money/longevity. Now it is true that he only got 8.5 million and he is by far a superior player to NY. Makes me wonder how much NY really thought he could get on the open market. I know Mike Jones reported nine but that had to be a bargaining stand point more than a hard line offer.
The way I see it is NY go ahead and out perform your QO I would love to eat crow on this one and you prove to me you are a start worthy 2 guard on a play off contender.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 22, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Afflalo
Right, Afflalo didn’t find a new team. Like Nene, Denver re-signed him despite some of his limitations. Denver didn’t low ball him because his offensive game wasn’t complete yet. Young doesn’t play defense like Afflalo but Afflalo can’t score like Young.
also, afflalo is a much more well rounded player
it’s not as simple as young scores while afflalo plays d
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I understand
I’m not saying it’s that simple but Nick is a dynamic scorer on a team that lacks scoring at every position. He might not be worth 9 mil but that’s worth something. No he’s not a great defender but Afflalo can’t create his own shot. Every player has a weakness that they need to work on
by Bryan1976 on Dec 22, 2011 2:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
These same outsiders gave JaVale McGee a vote for Defensive Player of the Year
There’s a difference between watching a player a few times and watching a few highlights, as oppose to watching a player on a regular basis.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 21, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Looking at the negatives
I think as fans, we tend to over analyze our own players. Look at how Redskin’s fans wanted Carlos Rodgers for what he couldn’t do. Sometimes we forget about what they’re really good at. I would rather try to take an above average scorer & work on his defense than try to take a solid defender & try to get him to be a 25ppg scorer. That’s how we lost Rip Hamilton.
the roster is deep now in the front court
But that isn’t a great one by any means
by thewiz06 on Dec 21, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like Jan and Singleton to share minutes at the 3
It looks like Shard is going to get his minutes b/c we are hoping he starts playing better and can show teams he is worth trading for… but lets not slow down the development of Jan and Singleton to do that. Lets move Shard to the 4/5… lineups like Jan/Blatche/Shard.. Singleton/Shard/McGee… Jan/Booker/Shard still gives us plenty of size up front and lets our young guys see the court.
I don't see this roster winning more than 18 games
There is a whole lot “hustle” and “toughness” on that roster, which translates into not being able to score very much. I have a feeling we are going to be in for some long nights as fans, because there is not one person on that roster that I would trust to score regularly and efficiently.
Good backcourt players....
….and an improving center. The other pieces don’t fit and have low ceilings. Everybody listed at the 3 or 4 should be shopped to get a quality player or another very high draft pick.
by Izman on Dec 22, 2011 7:02 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Our Players Have alot to Prove
Ves is a very high draft pick and shopping him for a high pick at this point is counterproductive. We have pro athletes with egos that reflect choosing a competitive career. Give them a chance to bounce back and do not write off a season before it starts. How can a team succeed when their own fans have no faith in them?
Dangle some incentives to NY for this year like if he averages some semblance of a 20/10 where the 10 could be a mix of rebounds and assists he gets a big bonus. You only get burn if you play both ends of the floor with effort. Hold people accountable but pay them bonuses for doing the things you want from them. I bet NY stays if we pay him and we should not pay him if he does not perform. Pay him for performance this year even though you do not need to and let that become the culture in DC. You get payed for what you produce. You loose the minutes to produce if you play like a knucklehead.
2009-10, 2010-11 Wizards not in NBA this season (17 total)
Cartier Martin, Mike Wilks, Larry Owens, Othyus Jeffers, Alonzo Gee, Mustafa Shakur, Lester Hudson, Yi Jianlian, HIlton Armstrong, Mike Harris, Paul Davis, Cedric Jackson, Mike James, Earl Boykins, Fabricio Oberto, Al Thornton, James Singleton
That depth chart is amazingly awful.
Short of us being reaaaally bad and then getting reaaaally lucky in the draft I dont see anyway we turn this around in time to avoid a Dwill/CP3 type situation with Wall (who is going to need an equal amount of luck to be grouped with those 2 players a few years down the road).
VOID!!!
by dt3 on Dec 22, 2011 10:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think that's overly pessimistic
There are a lot of young guys with potential on the roster, and if we ARE bad this year (which is likely) we’ll be picking fairly high in a very strong draft. If Wall becomes a star and our prospects don’t pan our, then we’ll have a lot of cap space, a good market, and Wall as lures for good free agents. At this point I’m more worried that Wall won’t become a DWill/CP3 caliber player than that he’ll bolt if he does.
by steadyhand on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
as a stalwart of pessimism
gotta say i agree with steadyhand here, there is reason for optimism.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s overly pessimistic
there is going to be a lot of that from me. I apologize in advance.
If Wall becomes a star and our prospects don’t pan out, then we’ll have a lot of cap space, a good market, and Wall as lures for good free agents.
ಠ_ಠ
(Other than McGee) I dont think any of our “prospects” have the ceiling to make an impact on whether or not Wall stays. Stick around as role players, maybe, but none of them will mature enough to become one of the 3 cornerstones you apparently need to build a legitimate contender around.
No top level player is coming to DC. I honestly think our best chance of winning is signing some upper-mid level free agent that explodes after coming to town (ala gilbert). Maaaaaybe then those 2 can lure in a 3rd but we are still a while ways from that.
I’m more worried that Wall won’t become a DWill/CP3 caliber player than that he’ll bolt if he does.
1) I no longer think Wall will become a dwill/cp3/rose level PG… not here at least.
2) If he somehow does elevate his game to that level the chances we keep him are slim to none.
3) If the wall window closes and he moves on (with us getting anything equal to or below the cp3/lakers type package in return) they should just contract the team.
VOID!!!
there is going to be a lot of {pessimism} from me. I apologize in advance.
Okay…
If the wall window closes and he moves on (with us getting anything equal to or below the cp3/lakers type package in return) they should just contract the team.Geez… There’s pessimism and there’s suicidal depression…
by jones-y on Dec 22, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Bullets Forever
Related FanShots on Bullets Forever
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
