Time to go all in
by gorebd on Dec 2, 2011 10:26 AM EST
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PrintA growing number of execs starting to believe that Magic will indeed give strong consideration to doing Dwight deal before season startsTime to throw all our chips into the pile. I actually think this might be our best case scenario to get Dwight. Look at what the Nets have been able to do with Deron Williams. He had no desire to go there, but the team made the move and sold him on the organization. We need to do the same. We can have a 66 game audition to convince Dwight that we have enough young talent and future cap flexibility to make him a contender for the rest of his career. I think a crucial element can also be if part of the deal includes Orlando buying out Shard (who'd have to be a piece of the deal to make the numbers work). We have picks, prospects, cap space, and the ability to relieve Orlando of Turkoglu's contract. That's everything they asked for and we can do it more smoothly than any other team. We can get Dwight Howard, the gamble is whether we can step up and keep him. It would be a huge gamble, but the pay out is possibly a dynasty.
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A Rashard buyout
would come with the agreement with Rashard that he comes back to DC to play with Wall and Dwight.
an explicit agreement like that is not allowed.
Teams were complaining about Ilgauskas re-signing with Cleveland after we released him in the Antawn trade.
Obviously, we can give him a “wink” which is likely what the Cavs did back in 2010.
New rule in the new CBA
Traded player can be released, but cannot return to his original team for one year…
The “Ilgauskas” rule.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Good to know
but then I’d certainly think Rashard would be a target to be a role player next year after Orlando releases him when his deal is partially guaranteed. That would also make the contact we’ve been having with Josh Howard and Mo Evans much more feasible. They’re just as familiar with the squad and can provide that vet leadership.
It would be a huge gamble, but the pay out is possibly a dynasty.
Suicidal gamble, more like. If it failed, with the investment of young talent…I don’t want to think about it…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 2, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions
my thoughts exactly
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
If we were a playoff team right now, even a 7th seeded one
then this is a medium risk, high reward move.
However, this type of a move given where we are smells like Vinny and Danny working their magic. Also, it goes completely against the foundation of our rebuild assuming we want to contend for at least four-five years at our peak.
We have so many assets
that I don’t think it would even disrupt our core. We’d likely only be shaking up the chemistry in terms of JaVale and that is a good thing when he’s replaced with Dwight. We’d likely have to send back Vesely or Singleton who haven’t even played with our roster before.
If we send Vesely, McGee, Rashard and a couple of draft picks for Dwight and bad contracts (we can amnesty Turk), then our entire core is still in tact. We can field a starting lineup up of Wall, Young, Lewis, Blatche and Howard with our prospects from last year plus Singleton.
We have enough assets to make this move. Our worst case scenario is we lose a few assets, but we’d still have most of our young core in tact and a lot of cap flexibility. But its worth it to give yourself til next July to prove to Dwight that its worth sticking with us to sign his contract extension. Don’t forget that we’d also be offering him a deal way bigger than anyone else could offer.
If Otis Smith has any kind of head on his shoulders
He will rob whatever team he trades Dwight to of everything. The precedent here is the Melo trade. The knicks gave up 3 starter/sixth man type players (Felton, Gali, and Chandler) a back up C, a 1st rounder to the Nugs and more from the Warriors. As highly regarded as Melo is, Dwight is even MORE highly regarded. He’ll probably demand a bunch of young talent PLUS two or more picks. To get Dwight we would probably have to give up most of our “core” plus a couple valuable picks. Blatche, Crawford, etc. would probably have to be included. If we don’t I’m sure some team out there would trade the kitchen sink for D12.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that Melo trade was that one sided
For one, it wasn’t just Melo that went, Billups went in that deal and he is still a very good player in this league.
Second, even though they got 3 good players from the Knicks, they are only going to have one of them when the season begin along with Mozgev, so what did they really gain?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I forgot half of the Nugs are playing in China
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 2, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
we can amnesty Turk
NO – Teams can only use amnesty on players CURRENTLY ON THE ROSTER at the time the new CBA is signed… You cannot trade or otherwise obtain a player , and then use the amnesty on him….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
From what I've read
I haven’t interpreted the language to say that. I responded about this before and I’d be interested to get your feedback. I’ll re-post from the other post so you can see.
This is from the BRI summary that was posted on BF
Amnesty
• Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA
(only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of
the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
• Salary of amnestied players included for purposes of calculating players’
agreed-upon share of BRI.
• A modified waiver process will be utilized for players waived pursuant to
the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap can
submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s
remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the
remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the
team that waived him.
It’s a bit tough because we’re only working with a synopsis of the CBA and do not have the actual document with exact language in front of us. This is like some debate team/legal interpretation stuff. I posted the entire amnesty section, but I think the 1st bullet is our focus.
"Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA
(only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) " is the phrase that we seem to disagree on. My interpretation is that it means a player currently under contract is eligible to be waived, but there seems to be nothing to indicate that those contracts can’t be moved/acquired before amnesty. There’s nothing that I take away from the language that indicates that said player has to be on your roster when the CBA commences.
We will just have to see how things play out, but if you have another source of information that indicates the other position, please share.
The key phrase in that cut
is “only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA”
Meaning that the player must be on the team’s roster when the new CBA is signed…. After the CBA is signed, teams can then go out and procure new players via Trade and Free Agency – but any players obtained would be ineligible to the amnesty rule….
Larry Coon (the CBA guru) says it slightly differently in an article on ESPN:
only one player can be amnestied during the agreement, and contracts signed under the new CBA are not eligible
Bolding is mine… He says it slightly different, but it means the same… You cannot acquire a player after the new CBA is signed, and then amnesty that player.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
"Even the league is unsure of amnesty"
The key phrase there is "in place." The NBA told me "in place" meant on a team’s roster right now, so that teams could not use amnesty on a player they acquire via a trade made after the league resumes player movement business on Dec. 9. But union sources insist the two sides have not discussed this scenario in detail, meaning it must be hashed out, along with hundreds of other details, as the two sides scramble to complete the CBA by the end of business on Dec. 8. Perhaps "in place" in regards to amnesty-eligible contracts could simply mean "in existence now," regardless of which team holds the contract. The Point Forward
Can a player be traded and then amnestied? Some believe yes; others say no. Ken Berger
"Contracts in place at the inception of the CBA." is broad language.
Like you said, it’s a synopsis. Currently all players under contract as it stands today are in place at the inception of the CBA. The specific team does not mandate that specific contract and that contract can be moved (via trade) anywhere in the league. When players are traded they don’t renegotiate their contract. Therefore, to me, it would seem perfectly reasonable that a team could acquire a contract currently in place at inception of the CBA and waive them. If only new CBA contracts are ineligible then it would stand any free agent signings would be off limits.
It’s wide open, it’ll be interesting to see the full terms of the agreement.
My beingadick-butnotbeinganannoyingdick skills, they're impressive.
-TCWIR paraphrased
Dwight Howard is 25yrs old, he IS a foundation.
Surely we cant be worried about disrupting the core of a 23 win team right? Basically any deal that resulted with Dwight and John on the same team is a good move assuming both players remain healthy. We could give up Javale, Dray, Ves, Crawford and two unprotected 1st round picks and it would be worth it if dwight signed long-term and stayed healthy.
Everyone's getting super excited about D12
and while it would be awesome if we got him, I HIGHLY doubt we will pull the trigger on it. Ted’s philosophy since taking over has been to BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT. EG has been tasked with stockpiling young talent, not making blockbuster trades to form a contender immediately. Throwing away all our draft picks, young talent, etc. on one guy makes zero sense considering this philosophy. As the Redskins have taught us over the past 10 years, you can’t win a title by winning free agency, and I for one and happy to see the team is finally being constructed from the foundation up rather than the penthouse down.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 2, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions
The flip side to that is this
in the NBA, especially recently, a number of contending teams, all large market teams pulled off Danny and Vinny moves to create a true playoff contender (if not better). We saw Boston turn from meddling to a championship team overnight. Then we saw Miami do its thing. Now, it’s New York basically doing the same thing, and New Jersey is dying to make ANY splash it can. LA and Dallas have basically made shrewd trades to get their perennial periods of dominance. Only San Antonio has been able to build through the draft and win consistently. Seattle/OKC is not far behind, but they got lucky from the Spurs getting shocked in the first round, but this season, I’d consider the Thunder one of the top three teams to beat in the conference, especially now that it has been in the Western Finals.
I hope our building a contender from the ground up works however,
but even with this system, though the cap is harder, and free agent moves will be harder to make for the tax payers, well, I still think that the stars only want to play in LA, NY, and Chicago, plus Miami right now.
I think people really sleep on the attraction to DC
DC gets a lot of love from athletes. A lot of guys come to DC to spend their time in the offseason. Not just the players from the area either. Football players don’t just come to the Skins for the money. A lot of them come for the city too. Point being that the attractiveness of DC is not going to be what holds us back.
It may be stigma from the Pollin era (and MJ's sell the team comment)
but maybe prospective players would give Ted a chance.
I don’t think our city is the problem, but the stigma of the Wizards franchise is, and erasing 20 years of no playoffs minus the Gil era and a blip in 97 isn’t gonna be enough to change that. Toronto is another city with a problem not too different from us.
As the Redskins have taught us over the past 10 years, you can’t win a title by winning free agency
But this is not football where 1 player doesn’t make you a playoff or even championship contender. In the NBA one player CAN make you a playoff or championship contender.
Terrible example.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
by Mr MaLoR on Dec 2, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you can win big in free agency
but will the one to three years of glory mean that the team will soon hit the wall real quick, like the Miami Heat after the 2006 title and Boston after the 2008 title?
To me, unless you're the Lakers or Celtics
maybe even the Spurs now, any championship is worth the cost, even if the team has to rebuild as soon as the year after, if that is what the ownership and the fans want. We want a perennial contender, at least most of us, so a Dan Snyder move is not going to be taken at face value.
but will the one to three years of glory mean that the team will soon hit the wall real quick, like the Miami Heat after the 2006 title and Boston after the 2008 title?
But we are not talking about signing a few stars who are on the tail ends of their careers at age 31, 32 (like Boston and Miami did). We are talking about bringing in a 26 year old Dwight Howard to pair with our 20 year old PG, John Wall. These two together would bring 6-8 years of glory.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
That certainly has to be in consideration
in addition to the fact that big men are often in their primes into their mid 30’s.
Is this still true?
Bigs today have to be both a lot stronger and a lot more mobile than they used to be.
Yes.
How long has it been since our last title?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 2, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wizards last won a title before I was born
So I guess you’re in the “win a championship regardless of cost” camp, or “build to win, and win for a long time” camp? They’re not mutually exclusive, but they mean different things.
well that's the thing, any team that signs Howard is both winning right now and long term.
he’s a very singular player in the league and at the end of the day will have his choices of teams and options. As much as it may be bad for supposed competitive balance, I suppose I do agree that players with THAT level of impact deserve quite a bit of latitude in how their careers play out. He did his time in Orlando, I’m glad there is no mechanism available to force him to stay there (franchise tag etc)
That's why I would trade the farm for him
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 3, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
same here
i think the “going rate” will be two 1st round unprotected picks, imo it would be worth giving them three 1st rounders if he’d sign an extension…it’s almost impossible to give up too much if the return is having Howard under contract long term. Everything but John should be on the table
After seeing that Deron WIlliams won't be signing an extension
I definitely wouldn’t want this risk. You can lose all your talent, and draft picks, for a guy that leaves after one season. Then you have nothing but some cap space and John Wall. Would be a nightmare. No way John Wall would want to stay in that scenario.
I don't think Ted is the kind of guy that goes for risky moves
So we should stop dreaming about Dwight. Instead what we should dream about is John Wall’s evolution to mvp level, that’d be so much more exciting in my point of view.
Well
Even EG asked about Carmelo, so they won’t ignore the situation, I guarantee you that…we’ll just have to see what they’re willing to show…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 2, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ted won't sign to make a Dan Snyder splash (and any signing of Dwight, right now will be perceived that way)
but he will sign guys who will fit the system that the coaches here want which is an uptempo team, and Dwight isn’t a slowpoke. He’s no JaVale but he’s better than Yao Ming was in speed. However, he will cost us more than just a big contract or two and is that too much to give up considering where we are?
I dont think signing Howard would be perceived as a Dan Snyder move
it would be perceived as brilliant no matter how much we gave up to get him so long as he signed an extension. Honestly the supposed “OkC model” goes in the trash the moment you have a chance to get a player of Howard’s caliber. In the NBA you just have to pull the trigger on something like that, there’s no excuse not to other than Dwight not signing an extension
He recently said on a radio show
That if the right player came along, that he would consider abandoning the rebuilding stage to get the player. If he has a chance to get D12, he will definitely pull the trigger.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
I'm not saying he won't do it
I’m just saying he won’t do it without the consent that D12 extends his contract.
This may seem really obvious but… wasn’t really the case with the Nets and they may be screwed if D Williams just leaves.
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 2, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
McGee is a poor man’s Dwight Howard. Those are the only 2 centers in the league with their kind of physical abilities. McGee is just getting started, and we have done a somewhat nice job of surrounding him with solid role players who have a serious chance to turn into stars (Young, Vessely, Blatche) along a player who has a chance to be the best PG in the game.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love Dwight here, we have the perfect system for him to run in. But we have alot of promise on this team, and I would love for us to build a OKC or Memphis type of team rather than trying to buy one like some of the other scumbag franchises in the East (Miami, Boston, New York). Far more gratifying when Vessely turns into the next Kirilenko and McGee is dunking on Dwight.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
hate to break this to you but
id take 100 kiralekos for Dwight howard
Mcgee is no where near dwight howard and never will be and i cna’t beleive i read that
Dwight howard is one of the top 10 most centers OF THE CENTURY
a century is 100 years
see my post below
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Dec 2, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I am not against the trade if it does happen, but I know alot of people here are just by reading the comments. I never said McGee was as good or even close to as good as Dwight. I said he was a poor man’s Dwight Howard given their similar athletic abilities. One day, I think McGee could turn into a top 5 center in this league, some may already think he is one, and the guy is freaking my age!
If the trade happens, love it, we have 2 of the premier players in the NBA. If not, then we have a ton of young talent to watch grow.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Gentleman (and ladies)
Its simple…
We offer ANY combination of assets (minus Jwall) desired for dwight howard. No questions asked.
EVEN AT LEAST 2 draftpicks. and taking on Contracts.
DO you realize with WALL AND HOWARD players will FLOCK TO DC FOR reduced salaries?
Do you realize turkoglu isn’t that bad if we have to keep him?
Do you realize the Vesely and seraphin will both Suck but have trade value now cuz they havn’t done anything yet?
EVERYONE ELSE IS REPLACEABLE and to be honest NOT THAT GOOD.
DWIGHT HOWARD u realize dwight howard comes around once a decade and hes only 26????
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Dec 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions
Except if we give up everything
Dwight won’t sign an extension with us, making us a team of John Wall, bunch of 30+ players/d-leaguers… and then Wall leaves us. We’d be so screwed.
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 2, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well , Orlando was essentially Dwight Howard
surrounded by some average NBA talent….
Jameer Nelson is an average PG
Jason Richardson is an average SG
Brandon Bass is a slightly above average PF
and Turkoglu is a below average SF
That team was continually a contender, year after year – simply because Dwight Howard was on the team…
Are you actually saying that teaming Dwight Howard up with a budding Super Star in John Wall -that the Wizards wouldn’t be a better team? A contending team?
Hell – the Wizards could sign average players at every other position, and they’d still be a contending team with Wall and Howard….
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1st 2012
1st 2014
1st 2016
JaVale McGee
Jan Vesely
Jordan Crawford
Rashard Lewis
For
Dwight Howard
Hedo Turkoglu
Chris Duhon
ADD VETS HERE
John Wall -- Hedo Turkoglu
Nick Young - Shelvin Mack
Chris Singlton - Hedo Turkoglu
Andray Blatche - Trevor Booker
Dwight Howard - Kevin Seraphin -
"Most look up and admire the stars. A champion climbs a mountain and grabs one." DO IT TED!!!
by eltacoman on Dec 2, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's easy for the man with nothing to lose to recommend to someone else to risk it all
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
The road to a Championship is a long journey.
Unless you want to take the shortcut:
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I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
What you get when you try to grab a star
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I have to disagree...
Jameer Nelson isn’t an average PG, or at least he wasn’t the year they made the finals. He was playing his best basketball and you can’t say that was just average PG.
Jason richardson also isn’t an average sg like what’s the definiteion of average.
Average for playoff team or average for the entire league?
But eitherway I get your point… but I’m still going to stick with Dwight Howard won’t extend with us, my argument might have been flawed but I stick with my conclusion. Call me stubborn but it’s still true, DC just isn’t a big enough stage for him, so if we gave up everything he’d blame it on that and leave even if his true reasons lie elsewhere.
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 3, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Average - as in average
The way I define “average” for NBA players is that I divide the players by position into three categories: Very Good, Average, Below average… So if you have 30 starters, there would be 10 very good, 10 average, and 10 below average Point Guards….
In the first 10 , the top 2 or 3 are the ones I deem “elite”…. So if there are 10 Point guards better than Jameer Nelson, he falls into the AVERAGE category…. seems pretty foolproof to me… and the best part about it is the stats seem to back it up nicely…..
Jameer Nelson = PER was 15.47 (average PER in the NBA is 15) – plus, I could name 10 Starting Point Guards off the top of my head that are better than Nelson…. Rajon Rondo, John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Tony Parker, Jose Calderon, Mike Conley… there may be some more… but that CLEARLY puts Jameer Nelson in the middle of the pack of NBA Point Guards… ie: AVERAGE
As for Jason Richardson = PER was 15.02 (League average is 15)… Plus, I could name 10 Starting Shooting Guards better than Richardson…. Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Manu Ginobili, DeMar DeRozan, Ray Allen, James Harden, Wes Matthews, Jason Terry….. That clearly puts Richardson in the middle tier of starting NBA Shooting Guards.. in other words, AVERAGE.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
You're saying that the year Orlando made it to the finals
Westbrook Calderon Mike Conley Rose were all head and shoulders above Nelson? The only one of those four that you can say was better than Nelson that year is Rose and even that’s not a sure thing. John Wall wasn’t even in the NBA back then.
Ok I agree with Jason Richardson, he’s just average.
But what I was saying anyways is that if we gave up everything Dwight won’t sign an extension with us, which means yeah we’re not going to be able to compete. I actually never said that John Wall + Dwight Howard won’t suceed, so I don’t know where you got that from. The only reason why I got sort of defensive is because I liked Jameer Nelson that year he made the all-star team.
And let me also say this, I don’t think Dwight will sign an extension with us because he wants to be elsewhere not rather because of the roster. But I do believe that the best chance for us to get Dwight and extend his contract is IF we have at least SOME pieces left so that he is convinced with something that is already there instead of “FA will flock to dc so don’t worry about the rest of the team” Also that’s assuming he really trusts John Wall, since he can just try to become teams with already superstars in the league like, let’s say, Chris Paul.
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 3, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yes -
I’m saying that the year the Orlando Magic went to the Finals and lost to the Lakers – that Jameer Nelson was an AVERAGE Point Guard….
AND – he was injured most of that year – and Orlando relied on Anthony Johnson and Rafer Alston to run Point… Jameer didn’t even return until the Finals against the Lakers….and then only played 18 minutes a game for the 5 games.
He was, IS, and will probably always be an Average point guard.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Whatever the case with this line up I think Dwight would consider resigning
PG John Wall, Shelvin Mack
SG Nick Young, JJ Redick
SF Hedu Turkoglu, Singleton, Evans
PF Andray Blatche, Bass
C. Dwight Howard, Seraphin, NDiaye
That’s 12 players. Anyone you dont see is traded + 2 first round picks + Lewis for future cap relieve.
Magic would do it, Wizards would do it and I believe Howard would do it.
The question is, would Ted?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 3, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
That is a scary lineup
All of the backup positions are pretty darn solid as well here,
The potential issue I have is if Hedo and Brandon can run with John. Everyone else is able to do so. The good part about Hedo in the starting lineup with John is that he covers up Nick’s deficiency in court vision. You now have at least three above average shooters with Redick, Turk, and Young, and hopefully John Wall can Mack can be added to that list, along with Dray. I like guys being a threat for a three at any time. that doesn’t mean that they should be taking threes… it just means they must be read to take a shot at any time.
You really think Howard would do it?
Because if Howard would do it, then so would Ted.
How can ANYONE possibly say no to that from the former line up we have. If Howard commits this is a no-brainer.
Unfortunately Howard wants to be in Hollywood, or the Big Apple.. or I don’t know, maybe even Brooklyn’s new stadium. I don’t think D.C. cuts it for him.
Hey but you know what, I would LOVE to be proven wrong, and told “I told you so.”
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 3, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well D.C. aint Hollywood or the big Apple but it isn't Minnesota or even Indiana
It is a top 10 U.S. market and it has international allure. I think the reason its not an attractive NBA market is the losing stinch of the Wizards franchise.
With thát line up, however, Dwight knows that will change. Thát team is going to be a periannial contender and like NotGivingUpOnDray says below, it will make attracting good FA’s in the future easier.
A good sales pitch from Ted (he is a marketing guy you know) on how this team in this city full of opportunities is going to be great from both a basketball and a business perspective is going to convince him, Im sure.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 3, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
You guys all make it sound like the deal is
Perfect for everyone, but if it was perfect for everyone, then it should be bound to happen, except it won’t (I just don’t believe in good fortune for basketball anymore.. but then as I was typing this I just realized we drafted John Wall… hmm…). I don’t know. I wish it happens DWIGHT COME TO DC PLEASE.. but it probably won’t happen..
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 4, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Debbie, stop channeling your inner Nancy ;-)
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 4, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
and players will flock to DC.
FLOCK I TELL YOU
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Dec 3, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando probably doesn't want our pile of...................uh................."chips"...
I think they’d rather have THIS kind of pile of chips rather than the kind the Wizards could muster…
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Never go "ALL IN" when you're holding crap
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by Rook6980 on Dec 2, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Is that LeBron James and the Cleveland Caveliers??
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 3, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
If that was a Queen instead of a King .....
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
A Wall/Howard combo would be AWESOME!
The 2 hardest assets to have on a team are a great point guard and a great center.
I can only think of one great combination in the history of the NBA: MAGIC AND KAREEM.
If we get a chance we got to go for it baby.
by jmpalomo on Dec 3, 2011 9:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bob Cousy and Bill Russell
would like to have a word with you.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
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