Nick Young To Sign $3.7 Million Qualifying Offer, According To Report
by Mike Prada on Dec 18, 2011 9:52 PM EST
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With the NBA season starting in a week, Nick Young has decided to sign the one-year, $3.7 million qualifying offer, according to Michael Lee. From the sounds of it, the market simply wasn't there for Young.
Young is coming off a career year with the Wizards, finishing as the team’s leading scorer at 17.4 points per game, but found a rushed free agent market that was unfavorable to players at his position. Most teams around the league anticipated the Wizards would match any offer for Young and few had the resources to give him a lucrative offer sheet.
That's enough of a resolution for one year, but it raises significant questions about Young's future with the Wizards. As I noted before, the qualifying offer historically has essentially meant a player's divorce from his team is simply delayed by one year. Ten players have signed the qualifying offer since 1999, and all 10 were not with the same team at the beginning of the next season. The qualifying offer is a last resort when the player doesn't get the long-term deal he desires from his current team, so it only makes sense that he would want to move on when he is a free agent again.
Perhaps the truncated year of free agency in 2011 changes that trend, but for Wizards fans hoping for Young to be here long term, this is not a good sign.
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Ok so when Nick Young does great the next year he only gets this ?
But when Blatche did good and they didn’t have to extend them the Wizards reward him with a fat contract?
I don’t understand.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Well obviously circumstances change
Now they have have the Blatche extension maybe influencing this decision.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 18, 2011 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Big Men are Different
Teams are just willing to throw more money at them/gamble more.
Nick Young didn't do great he just did good
But I get your point. Obviously the biggest difference is that our owners changed so you can’t expect the same thing, and apparently he’s been asking for 9 mil a year, which I would pass up on as well. I think Nick Young might just want to be out of here if he really was asking for 9 mil, that was probably the price to stay in D.C.
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 18, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Did the Wiz make him a better offer or was the minimum the only thing on the table? We wanna know!
by Tbonebullets on Dec 18, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
His offer was 1 year at $3.7million
by jmpalomo on Dec 18, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we don’t know whether he turned down a long-term offer for less annual money than he thought he was worth.
by Tbonebullets on Dec 18, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
But alljokeup does
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by returnofswagger on Dec 18, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I get your point Krobify, but there might be a nuance to it
He wanted something close to $50mill/4 years. Maybe Ernie offered him something like $30mill/5 years and Young balked.
I’m sure there were offers out there for him than the QO, form the Wiz and other teams, but apparently not anything near what he had in mind. I can understand him taking the QO and try again next yr, but he does take the risk of injury.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming he's gone next year
What is the point of even bringing him back for this season?
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by returnofswagger on Dec 18, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If he plays well
A 3.7 million contract is easy to move at the deadline. If I’m the Wizards, I don’t trust him to sign with us. He won’t give us any kind of home team discount. If Eddie isn’t already looking for offers, he should be.
Exactly
I agree but only if we are out of the playoff race. If we are actually having a good season and look like we might get the 8th seed, I wouldn’t trade him.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
As mentioned before, Young can veto a trade because he'd lose his Bird Rights
So actually, it’s not easy to move at the deadline.
please explain what a bird right is
by back_to_the_future on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
The ability for his current team to go over the cap to re-sign him
by Mike Prada on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's unlikely Nick would exercise his veto
If he was traded to a team headed to the playofffs, particularly if the Wizards were not.
Nevertheless, I hope EG is smart enough to talk to him/his agent about it before signing the trade.
Be very curious to learn why they didn't at least work out something like the Celtics did with Jeff Green
Where he’s only back for one year, but gets a raise on his QO. They have the cap space.
I guess Ted thought he wasn't worth the extra money
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 18, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they think he's worth more than $3.7 mil.
And, as Prada said, might have offered him a good bit more than that. But the question is the difference between what the Wiz thought he was worth and what Young thought.
Why
Why just give him a raise? Nothing has indicated he gave the Wizards any kind of home town discount. Jeff Green strikes me as the type of guy who will remember a gesture like the Celtics did. I understand the Celtics throwing some extra money at him to send a message that he could be part of the long-term future.
Maybe offering him an extension for more money starting this year is the bait that Ernie intends to offer him in exchange for giving up his bird rights in a trade. A sign & trade. I’m assuming you can sign a guy to an extension (after accepting a qualifying offer the same year) and trade him at the same time.
If that doesn’t work out, well then, you only paid the minimum for a guy you were going to lose anyway.
by Tbonebullets on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
We are rebuilding
Hamstringing ourselves with huge contracts (many years and lots of money) may possibly slow the rebuild. We need to see more from Nick to warrant such a massive deal. Young needs to play the way he played last year AND the team must progress/win games. After the season, if he bails, fine. If he stays, great. Either way we have a long way to go to become competitive consistently
by WizKid27 on Dec 18, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if he does play the way he did last year..
the team progresses and he bails… then that WILL slow our rebuilding down, getting nothing in return. It could be a costly risk just signing him for this year and not even giving a raise on his QO
Its a risk we need to take because we have a loooong way to go...
We’ve seen what paying for potential can lead to IE: current contract blatche’s. Nick has showed us flashes. Ernie and Ted need to see more.
Nick Young is not
the difference between us being a contender for the playoffs and a contender for the #1 pick. Looks like he helps us get a #1 pick, so keep him around another year
yess
First my Skins put the hammer down and now I hear this. What a good day
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 18, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
On the road to being a fiscally responsible team
There will be casualties along the way
by KurisuDevil on Dec 18, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
So what are we saving for??
Landing an all-star free agent… don’t see anyone coming here unless we pay them the max. That’s why I’m all for trying to keep our young guys together and developing. Nick Young leaves next year then there goes one of our first round picks and a player that has developed into a legit scorer in the league… for nothing in return.
by koop1122 on Dec 18, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are saving for ANYTHING
Whatever becomes available. Maybe that even does turn into the all-star you’re talking about. The one thing for sure you’re saving for is Javale next year if Ernie and Ted see fit to pay him.
You don’t just tie yourself up to an obnoxious contract for four years because you have some space. That’s how you end up with bad contracts like Rashard Lewis’s and Gilbert Arenas’s.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 18, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't see what's coming available for us
unless we over pay for them… I realize that NY’s price was high based on the market but to just give him the QO and basically throw away any chance of signing him next year… I don’t agree with
'That’s how you end up with bad contracts like Rashard Lewis’s and Gilbert Arenas’s.'
Or any contract arranged by Joe Dumars the last few years
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by WorldWiEdWard on Dec 18, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Young isn’t really one of the young guys anymore. Also if the Wizards were any good, big name free agents would love to come here. DC is a huge market, and because of the comparatively large number of wealthy black people around here, players like living here.
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by Doncosmic on Dec 19, 2011 12:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and because of the comparatively large number of wealthy black people around here
Is this just a personal opinion? Or is there something that proves this like census data for DC?
by ap3604 on Dec 19, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
are you serious?
DC is known as Chocolate City…..
NY and Cali are know for having thebaddest diverse women
Miami is known for the baddest latinas
DC is known for having the baddest black women
Ultimately all four places throw great parties in that particular order
there professional athletes heaven. the problem with dc is that players come here and get caught up in other shit, like weed and becoming complacent.
by back_to_the_future on Dec 19, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
There's data. The DC area has one of the strongest black middle classes in the nation
Rich isn’t the right word though…
That is not the reason why players come here.
if you look at where most of these players live, most of them don’t live around other wealthy black people. If that were so, they would just move to PG County, since that is where a majority of the black wealth is in this area. Just off the top of my head, I can name several players of the years they played here that didn’t live in a predominantly black community:
Antawn Jamison – Bethesda, MD
Gilbert Arenas – Great Falls, VA
Andray Blatche – Haymarket, VA
John Wall – Washington, DC
Caron Butler – Centreville, VA
None of those places are really known for wealthy blacks, so I don’t see how you can make that argument.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, I can't believe Dray lives in Haymarket...
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
Yeah I think that's just a rumor
I live in Haymarket. And I’ve heard people say yeah, Andray Blatche lives in that house. But I’ve never seen him…" And I have never seen him. Or never heard people talk about seeing him in public.
And trust me, the Haymarket McDonald’s is TERRIBLE. If he did live here once, that was probably the deciding factor in him leaving.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
True story
I saw Seth Greenberg (Virginia Tech basketball coach) at that McDonald’s in Haymarket once. Seeing Blatche would have been way cooler, and more predictable.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 19, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a hobo with a tie die shirt there once.
For whatever it’s worth….
Greenberg would have been way cooler, probably less predictable though.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Haymarket wiki page says he's a resident
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't rely on wiki too much to see where guys live
don’t care where he lives, but I’d rather not see players live too far away from town.
DeSwag lived in Ashburn and that was a bit too far imo and I live in Leesburg.
The city itself is a wash to most players...
Players only stay there 8-9 months and year, can be traded at any time, and are on the road half the time anyway. Unless you’re talking Toronto (foreign country, exchange rate, taxes), Milwaukee/Minnesota (cold!), or SLC (major lifestyle adjustment), the city’s basically a wash. This has nothing to do with how many other black millionaires are in DC/PG, or even the quality of black women here (which, might I add, are rather amazing!). You’re thinking from a “regular guy fresh outta college” perspective. BTW, if it was all about the ladies, ATL would probably get a LOT more free agents. They don’t.
Players go where the money and opportunity to win are, and traditionally speaking, DC hasn’t been favorable in either regard.
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great point
If the choices are to overpay Nick Young, or go the QO route, this is the best choice. It isn’t the short-term, flashy, exciting kind of move, but it is so important that they play it smart for the future and leave room available. Also, lets see how Young does in a contract year. This adds more pressure on him, but if he can’t handle the pressure of a contract year then he doesn’t deserve 9 mil a year.
Exactly.
Want a great example of a young scoring guard who has 1 good season and want’s an extension? Aaron Brooks.
Has 1 good year and suddenly wants 9 million a year or more, doesn’t get the extension, and proceeds to have a terrible year and get traded.
Don’t make this mistake Washington…
by ap3604 on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 AM EST up reply actions
This could work out for both parties
The team won’t be so dependent on Rashard finding his shot, and Nick has another year to convince a team to give him a Ben Gordon type contract.
I'd be interested to see what we offered him..
if anything.
The idea of a frontloaded, Collison-type deal sounded like such a good idea. And a win-win
Kinda means
we really needed to draft a shooter in the 2011 draft
by thinker11 on Dec 18, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nick Insurance
Saves you 15% percent or more on midrange jumpshots, hey now
Both 2011 and 2012 because with the increased possibility of NY now being compromised in his focus and effectiveness this year and gone after this year – another shooter THIS year would have been a good idea. Mind you, I really thought we needed another shooter this year even with a happily resigned NY.
good new bad news
This is kind of the last thing I wanted to happen. Having Nick back makes us a better team in the short term, but it also gives us worse draft position next year. I’d rather have Nick part of our longterm picture or gone.
Wally's World
Agreed, but...
After this season, we’ll have a better idea of whether he should be a building block. If he is, re-sign him. If not, trade him mid-year or let him walk, and use the savings on a FA.
Mindset.
This is a public service announcement: Being okay with losing is not okay.
Don't like this move that much
I agree that we should have thrown him a bone on a one year deal. Give him 1 year $5M just for some goodwill going into free agency next year.
They bought goodwill with Josh Howard when they gave him $3M when no one else was offering anything and it worked. Howard was considering us recently even though he had a few contenders after him. Should have done something similar with NY1.
by JonathanJoseph on Dec 18, 2011 10:39 PM EST reply actions
I wish someone would pay me an extra $1.3million for good will
I will be the ambassador of good will.
by jmpalomo on Dec 18, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
More important to manage the cap correctly...
Than create goodwill. This is correct cap management. In addition, I’m sure it was never the Wiz’ intention to pay him only $3.7 million. But I’d bet real money that he turned down an offer in the $5 million/year range. Hopefully, he now has a better idea of his market value.
meh
Nick back on a 1 year deal with every motivation to play for Nick and not the Wizards who now have shown they don’t think he’s worth much could have a disasterous on court impact on this years Wizards.
I’d prefer he’s not brought back under these circumstances. Nick has never shown an undestanding of how to play the right way now you add in this stimulous and it could get even worse. If you thought Nick wasn’t passing last season.
by jazzy1 on Dec 18, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
yeah I don't like this at all
its time to play nick young-ball instead of basketball… expect a lot of stat-padding and selfish offense to make his stat line more attractive for suitors next year. either should have resigned him or just let him go
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All 30 teams decided they did not think Nick was worth more than $3.7million
by jmpalomo on Dec 18, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
that's right.
And we do not know whether the front office has offered him a longer contract which he rejects. We cannot blame front office without knowing the whole story.
IF Nick decides to play for his individual stat and not helping the team to win, he won’t get a better offer next summer from other teams. (unless somebody decides to overpay him).
And if he plays selfishly, I'd imagine Flip will bench him.
And keep him there. That won’t help his prospects for next year, either.
That's not really true
Teams decided not to type up their cap money trying to get him. Nick Young’s agent, however, should have tried to get some team to give him a 1 year 5 million dollar contract. Attempting to sign a player and failing isn’t great for a team. It ruffles feathers. How does your current SG feel about you signing Young?
Plus
In addition, I think many times, teams don’t bother going after restricted free agents when they think the offer is just going to get matched anyway. Why do Washington’s work for them by negotiating a fair deal?
Plus
A lot of teams out there were probably hesitant to offer more than $3.7 million because they figured the Wizards would match. I think the big issue was the teams that could offer more than the mid-level and really make the Wizards consider not matching weren’t interested. As an unrestricted free agent, there’s no doubt in my mind Nick would be worth more. That said, kudos to Ernie for for making the most of the situation.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 19, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
You tie up your cap room for 3 little days
That’s not very long. It’s been 10 days since free agency started.
Not ideal
Now the Wiz and NY both lose if he has a bad year and only NY wins if he has a good to great year.
Maybe the idea is to get NY into camp and then they will spend the next month still trying to get a longer term deal done – don’t they have until mid-January to extend him?
There may be some truth to this...
We do not and will not know the substance of the discussions between the Wiz (or any other team) and Nick and his agent.
The good news is that Nick is in camp and will obviously motivated to prove his worth. I am not worried about him going purely for his own stats, either. That is way too transparent and John Wall will not tolerate it.
The main point here is that for the remainder of the season Nick is a Wizard. If he helps lead the team towards a decent year, my guess is that he will get an extension offer by early March. If he turns it down, then he is likely to be traded to a contender before the delayed deadline. Or he could be traded in any case.
One could wish that we had gambled on the same type of deal with Blatche, but as others have said, big guys are valued differently… which of course brings us to JaVale.
"John Wall will not tolerate it."
You guys kill me with this stuff…
Maybe he has a good first half
and someone is willing to give something up to chase the playoffs? Is that realistic?
He can veto any trade
Because if a guy on the QO gets dealt, he loses his Bird Rights. At least that’s how it was in the previous CBA.
Trade deadline
Any idea when it will be this season?
by Emmet O'Neal on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Next year
Amnesty Rashard and front load both Nick and JaVale. (After making a run at Dwight, which won’t be successful, but what the heck.)
Players hardly ever go for front loaded deals, but I like the idea and wish it happened more often.
by ap3604 on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 AM EST up reply actions
Shard isn't getting amnestied. His contract is only guaranteed for $10m next year.
The better bet is that we’ll use him as a trade chip either at the deadline or next offseason (or next deadline…). Its also more likely that we’ll just let his contract expire as opposed to amnestying him.
Not true. His contract alone is a trade chip.
If he can play, then all the better, of course. But there will be a handful of teams interested in him for nothing more than the ability to shave $13m off their payroll next year.
is the Wizards front office secretly becoming competent?
great way not to overpay for Young Sushi
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How about you trade him to the Clips for Mo Williams and Randy Foye?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Wizards fans
Glad to see Young staying with you guys so you can keep your young core of Wall, McGee, and Young.
Tnx. But uhm, how about your 1st for both McGee ánd Young?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 5:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yes please.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Young, Rashard, Blatche, and McGee are all gone for draft picks by the deadline. Wow, that’s 4/5 starters…and I wouldn’t be surprised.
Nick
I am sorry, but a 17 point average for 1 season does not make a career. At the moment, Nick is an NBA dime a dozen player; shoot a lot with no D. He needs to prove he is capable of more to make the Wiz a winning team, otherwise he is expendable. Personally, I believe that if a team offered more the Wiz would have let him walk; addition by subtraction. Also, if I see one more article in the Post about leaders on the Wiz I will scream nonsense! At the moment they have absentee leadership; a 20 year old can’t be the leader.
Nick is an NBA dime a dozen player; shoot a lot with no D
Nick isn’t just a shooter, he was the best catch and shoot player in the entire NBA last season. He doesn’t rebound or pass much, but he doesn’t turn the ball over either and his ability to curl and camp in the corner opens up so much more for other players like Wall and Andray that don’t show up in Nick’s boxscore. As for his defense, can you name me even one better on-ball defender on this team other than Singleton?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 5:05 AM EST up reply actions
A dime a dozen might be selling him a little short. But you and I can both think of 10 players we would take over Nick in a catch and shoot situation. And those guys can do more than just shoot.
If NBA GM’s thought Nick Young had it in him to be “the Best Catch and Shoot Player in the League” then he wouldn’t be settling for a qualifying offer. Some GM would have signed him.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If NBA GM’s thought Nick Young had it in him to be "the Best Catch and Shoot Player in the League" then he wouldn’t be settling for a qualifying offer. Some GM would have signed him.
Not necessarily true. It depends on cap space and what the teams needed. Remember he was a restricted FA so I’m sure a lot of teams probably thought any offer that he was given would be match by the Wizards since they have much more cap room than other teams. Also a catch and shoot player doesn’t work on all teams. He needs to play next to a point guard that is a pass first point guard. If he is playing with a shoot-first one like Derrick Rose, then he might not be as effective. All in all, I don’t think we can just say no one wanted him, he just didn’t fit in with most teams plans and he was asking for too much.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
According to Synergy
Nick Young was the best catch-and-shoot player in the NBA -
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Yeah I'm aware.
But I’m in this “Look past the statistics” mood lately. I guess I think his year, cut short, last year was a bit flukey.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to be a bit more optimitsic
I look at his uptick in efficiency (when he was healthy) as a direct result of Flip’s coaching…. and something that can be built upon….
Not as a fluke one-time-stat-thing….
People that look at stats only tend to have those kind of “blinders on” view on an increase or decrease in a particular stat…
Others (and I include myself in this category), believe that if there is a significant increase or decrease in a particular statistical category, there should be a logical explanation that can be quantified through observation and analysis of the other (non statistical) changes….
So in other words – you may see a statistical blip – or an anomaly that is “flukey”.
Whereas I saw the entire year and a half Flip and his coaching staff worked with a talented but undisciplined player to change his game – RESULTING in a much more efficient scorer – and the best catch-and-shoot player in the League…
Nick has ALWAYS had the talent…. but with proper coaching, discipline and the right circumstances (addition of John Wall, for instance) – those talents finally showed what was possible last year….
Call it a fluke, if you like.
I’ll look for even more improvement this year, assuming nothing else changes….
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I'm not SURE it's a fluke
But I think its a chance.
I’ve never been sold on Nick’s mentality. Could be because he really is cursed as being from the Arenas era, like McGee and Blatche, and is unfairly put in their category.
I think if Nick happens to lose focus or change his mindset (or just get bored) for whatever reason, then he could turn into that player that hurts the team on offense as much as he helps.
This doesn’t quite apply to the conversation, but it will prove you 100% right if he maintains what he’s been doing, this season. After not getting paid what he wants and not getting a long-term deal. The stars are alligned for Nick to play for Nick, lose focus on the team, and not listen to Flip’s jedi training anymore.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nick is at a crossroads.
His true identity as a player will more than likely show this year.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
and by other metrics
he’s on par with the worst player in the nba, so it averages out to him being average. he’s exceptionally good at certain things (one thing really), and exceptionally deficient at other things.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's exceptionally good at one thing,
really good at two other things, and god awful at everything else. But you could say that about half the players in the league not named Superstar.
we disagree on the fact that nick is one-dimensional
you think he’s not, i think he is (i think he’s one-dimensional to the extreme)
But you could say that about half the players in the league not named Superstar.
more than half the players in the league come off the bench. nick should too.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
one better on-ball defender?
Trevor Booker by a mile
Sorry but no.
If you’re talking ‘potentially, when he’s all done developing’ then okay, but we’re talking on-court results. Its not really close at this point between the two of them.
Would have liked the Wizards to buy a pick and maybe trade their 2nd to get Marshon Brooks
Would have preferred him over Shelvin Mack for reasons like potentially losing NY. Crawford is nice, but he is not a starting SG in this league IMO.
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I agree with this
Seems like there were some good potential shooters in the draft. Klay Thompson looked good the other night. Jimmer looked good (although still too small for us). Stephen Curry is awesome (although small), remember how we traded the chance to pick him for Foye and Miller (UGH!). FML.
As a Rockets fan I have to say, this doesn't really mean the end of him.
The Rockets extend qualifying offers to secure their RFA rights and tend to wait to see the market dictate the price of the player. In the case of Young, you can get him on the cheap and see what happens next season. He has another consistent year? Extend him with a nice paycheck if you think he can stay long term. If not, let him walk, you got him on the cheap and if you’re outbid, no shame and saving a little bit of money. Scoring 2 guards don’t tend to be hard to come by.
When is the Rockets/Wizards game in DC? I know I don’t qualify for the student discount for that one since it’s a Monday (Which sucks) but I’m hoping to get my hands on a discount ticket somehow.
As a Rockets fan you know all too well of a scoring guard that has 1 good season and starts demanding 9 million a year or more: Aaron Brooks
Thank god you guys didn’t give him what he wanted…
by ap3604 on Dec 19, 2011 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
He got really screwed up by that injury he sustained.
Thankfully he still had value to flip for Dragic and a pick. My whole take on qualifying offers is that they’re useful. You retain your RFA rights when it’s out there and what’s the point in bidding against yourself for a guy’s services? Houston did that for Luis Scola and that contract gets ugly if his knee problems continue.
Maybe not, but they sure tell a lot of lies in most history classes.
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by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
heh very true
And the lie is mostly the narrative that favors the victors
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
http://wagesofwins.com/2011/12/18/why-hasnt-anyone-signed-kris-humphries/
Wiz should sign Humphries. Do it Ernie.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Dec 19, 2011 5:10 AM EST reply actions
NO!
And where is he going to play. We have Turiaf, Ndiaye, Seraphin, Booker, McGee, and Blatche. Where would he play?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
With the exception of the two centers (McGee and Turiaf) and the small forward (Booker), none of those players are any good. Ndiaye and Seraphin belong in the NBDL, and Blatche is a cancer who belongs on another team.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
But they are all under contract. You have to do deal with what you have.
It would be silly to pay players just because you think they are better than what you got. That’s just a waste of money. If they thought that Humphries was better than those guys they would have never kept them. Now that they are all here, there’s no reason to sign another player imo.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Blatche is the best big man on the roster.
There’s a reason he gets the minutes…
best big man
are the team’s fortune a result of this analysis? Is this a good thing, that he’s the best big man that we have, especially if he isn’t averaging a double in rebounds?
Didn't say it was a good thing...
Just a statement of fact. Analysis of on-court play should be enough to validate.
exactly
so if the team loses each year, but he scores 30 (has he ever scored 30?) and has nine rebounds, he’s the best on this team, makes what kind of difference?
Umm...
Again, I’m not making a point other than the one I made. I don’t know what you’re asking for.
We need better big men, else we’ll never do much besides qualify for the playoffs. That’s also a statement of fact.
He’s scored 30 several times.
McGee is by far the better big man. Blatche has some trade value, and bringing in Humphries to replace him is a big upgrade. Maybe they could do a sign and trade with NJ (not that I know what that entails, exactly).
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah some people give the kid wayyy too much credit.
Dray’s lack of effort will come and go. Javale’s lack of a brain may last forever.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well I'm not saying Javale won't ever be better than Dray.
And I do think he’s shown strides in learning the game, and towards the end of last season he even started to do some of the basic stuff a center is supposed to do…
But what I am saying is that he isn’t better than Dray right now, and probably won’t be this year. I’m still expecting his breakout to happen next season (12-13).
It seems like Nick doesn't want to be here long term.
Or perhaps more accurately, he has no real desire to be here long term. I get that sense from reading his own comments, from reading comments from his teammates, from this very risky move of signing a one-year deal when he could have locked in a multi-year deal that would have set him up for life.
I am curious as to the reasons. Does he want to play for a better franchise, does Jordan Crawford make him nervous, does he not like his coaches, his teammates, the area? Does he want to be back on the west coast? Or is he just not willing to give up the idea that he is a $9 million/year player, and next summer’s market looks to be the type where he could get it?
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Does he want to play for a better franchise? YES
Does Jordan Crawford make him nervous? YES
Does he not like his coaches? He likes them just fine.
His teammates? YES. He loves JaVale and Dray.
The area? NO. It snows here.
Does he want to play in LA? YES
Stuck with the idea he’s worth $9 million? ABSOLUTELY!
I like Nick, and I think the team stinks way worse without him. I think he is the type to play harder with a contract to earn, and hopefully we resign him after that. We in DC must be very wary of the Haynesworth syndrome. Produce, then get paid.
by Unselds on Dec 19, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think that
if he takes a big step, we’ll extend him. If he doesn’t then this was a good move not overpaying him
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Rebuild
This is year two of a rebuild correct? Is he the integral part of it?
So how come so much ink about NY
I think Nick creates more energy (positive and negative) than any player since Gil on this blog. Guess I am not so sure so much why the negative—is it just because he is inconsistent?
My guess is that averaging 1 Rebound and pretty much ZERO Steals hurt Nick more than anything else
It’s hard to pay someone big bucks when you do nothing else but shoot the ball, especially at the off guard position.
hmmmm
now i wonder why we even signed him. Good luck NY, prove the whole NBA wrong about you.
Well he's the best perimeter defender on the team by a wide margin. And the best catch-and-shooter in the league.
Is that worth $9m? Comparatively speaking, its not out of the question. But I think he has more to prove (and more to improve) to be worth that. He’s certainly not worthless.
Nick will improve as his teammates improve
Nick is dependent on his screeners, and as we all know, our guys sucked at that. (Everyone loves Afflalo, but how good would Nick have looked, coming around screens from Nene and Kenyon Martin, instead of JaVale and Dray?)
Nick is dependent on his PG, and although Wall was great for a 20 year old rookie, he was pretty ordinary compared to fully developed NBA PGs.
I’m just glad that Nick didn’t end up going to Chicago. We might have ended up shocked and dismayed at how good he is.
Everyone loves Afflalo, but how good would Nick have looked, coming around screens from Nene and Kenyon Martin, instead of JaVale and Dray?
Yep. Same goes for Wall btw.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible both sides are still negotiating and there will be a long term deal soon enough.
This gives both some security, get’s Nick into camp, and allows them to continue negotiating.
Random thought
The Wizards can basically clear the decks with their starting wings at the end of the year with Nick and Rashard. Maybe part of the reason why they’re not committing to Nick is because Ernie likes the crop at small forward (Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones, Perry Jones, etc.) moving forward. I think you run into possession distribution issues if you keep Young and go for one of those SFs in the draft this year.
In other words, I think Ernie might like the mix of:
Wall/Low possession SG/2012 Draft pick at SF
Better than:
Wall/Young/Low possession SF in draft or Singleton
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There's definitely something to this...
I’d add that Ernie may not think Wall is a lock as superstar/best player on championship team….but maybe he can get that player in this draft.
I really hope this is true too
If Ernie is looking that far ahead than he is smarter than I actually give him credit for, and I really give him like absolutely no credit.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Bye Bye Nick
I guarantee you for $9M a season we can find a guy who can score 17ppg and play a heckuva lot better defense than Nick Young. His assist to point ratio is embarassing for a big-man, let alone a guard in the NBA. The real issue is Nick has one of the best fros in the NBA…that’s gonna be tough to replace….no lyin
Well then your work is cut out for you.
Name that player…
Jordan crawford...
But I really wanted nick to be part of the long term plan
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by believe_the_curse on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nick Young=instant offense OFF THE BENCH
There is nothing else about his game that is appealing.
Nick will have a whole year to improve the rest of his game.
by jmpalomo on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I am not looking at history regarding Nick's future
but other teams don’t want a guard who won’t create plays. He only finishes them. It’s good that he can finish plays, but both guards must be able to create, and Nick hasn’t shown that because he either hasn’t gotten the opportunity, he can’t do it, and/or because he doesn’t care. The first certainly applies to some extent, the second is certainly possible, and though I hope the third isn’t true, I’m not surprised if it is..
other teams don’t want a guard who won’t create plays.
That’s exactly what Chicago wanted. And what they got…
both guards must be able to createThat’s certainly not true. It depends on the makeup of the team, of course, but there is a place in the league for off guards who don’t initiate plays. Typically its next to the better point guards… Which is, of course, what people hope John Wall becomes.
by jones-y on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get what you're saying with Rip, but he has much better assist numbers than Nick even though he is categorized as a finisher rather than as a creator.
I still think both guards need to be able to create, though most teams have one guard who does more than the other and I guess that’s what you’re pointing at. Ideally, everyone should be able to create a play for someone else if he can’t finish it himself. So we don’t need two play creators at the guard spots like a Wall/Crawford duo where Wall is PG and Crawford is SG 65% of the time they’re together and Crawford is PG and Wall is SG for the other 35%. But one major responsibility for guards is to handle the ball and help create a play for others (though posts can create for guards too)
Even McGee showed off a great pass last year though it was solely for style.
Ideally speaking, you're right.
And I’ll certainly agree that Nick’s poor court vision and passing skills are a serious hamstring. But I also happen to think that Nick’s next task is to redeploy some of his play creation skills this season. Remember that Flip removed that element of his game as he reworked his whole playing style. He ran the P&R a few times last season, so expect to see more of that.
I guess anytime you can improve an aspect of your game that’s good, but you also have to consider the fact that Nick does two things very well, and that’s good for something…
He didn't fit the "mold"
There’s a lot more to this then just the surface level signing of his QO.
1. Young doesn’t fit the “mold”. He’s still young, definitely talented, AND can score, but there’s something that’s “off” with him according to Ted and EG. I would bet it’s his hustle, tenacity, and energy, that’s a priority with this team now.
2. Young will be traded this season. While he may have veto power through his Bird Rights, it really doesn’t matter because Young knows he’s not staying in DC and thus the Bird Rights won’t factor into his paychecks. There’s no way the Wizards are giving him “max” dollars and thus he’s gone at the end of the year regardless.
3. The Wizards are “buying” a Wall-Crawford back court. There’s no doubt the players have chemistry and played exciting basketball at the end of last season. The franchise is giving Crawford a clear path to seize the starting SG spot.
4. The team is once again parting with a Gil-era player. I hope Blatche & McGee are paying attention.
5. The Wizards are going to be major players in free agency in 2012, think the Miami Marlins in baseball this winter. The team should have about $30-35 million available in cap space next summer, after they buy out Lewis.
Actions speak louder than words
NY is signing his QO.
by SpecialSauce on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
When people say 'according to'
they imply that a quote or reference was made to that effect. Otherwise they word their statement differently.
Young knows he’s not staying in DC and thus the Bird Rights won’t factor into his paychecks.
No, the team trading for him also doesn’t get to use Bird Rights on him.
But if he walks as an UFA
His bird rights stay intact?
I’ve always sucked at this stuff…
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by returnofswagger on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
no he only has bird rights if he signs a contract with the Wizards
I think he loses bird rights if he gets traded.
Bird Rights means the team who owned him on his last contract can exceed the cap to re-sign him
So if he leaves, it’ll have to be a team with cap space or he’ll have to settle for one of the exceptions, which are all less than what he reportedly desired.
The quirk with people on the qualifying offer is they lose their Bird Rights if they’re traded in the middle of the season. That’s why they can veto the trade. It’s happened before (Vladimir Radmanovic did it when he was dealt from Seattle to the Clippers), but it’s rare.
But
If the Wizards tell his agent that they won’t be resigning him, wouldn’t it make sense that he would accept a trade, due to his Bird Rights not being a factor (ie. the Wiz don’t want him)?
by SpecialSauce on Dec 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
No because he could still do a sign and trade if the Wizards don't want to sign him
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
AND
get the extra year contract…
As a “Bird” player, the Wizards can sign Young to a 5-year contract….. with ( I think ) 7.5% raises…
Any other team can only offer 4-years…. 5% raises
So re-signing with the Wizards in a sign-and-trade would be much more valuable to Nick than just agreeing to a trade to another team and waiving his Bird rights. (and therefore foregoing the extra year, and higher raises)…
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