Washington Wizards Sign Larry Owens
by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2011 6:24 PM EST
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PrintThe Washington Wizards have signed Larry Owens, the team announced in a press release. Details of his contract are not yet known, but he will soon be in camp as the 16th member.
Owens was one of four Wizards players who had been operating on the qualifying offer at the beginning of the summer. The Wizards pulled the qualifying offer from Othyus Jeffers to make room under the cap for the Ronny Turiaf trade. The statuses of Nick Young and Hamady Ndiaye remain up in the air.
Here's the full press release.
The Washington Wizards announced today that they have signed forward Larry Owens.
Owens, a 6-7 forward, finished last season with the Wizards, averaging 6.2 points and 2.2 rebounds in five games after signing a 10-day contract on April 6. He also spent seven games with San Antonio last season and was named Second-Team All D-League as a member of the Tulsa 66ers.
The training camp roster now stands at 16 players.
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I dont get this one....
With Crawford, Young, Mason, Vesely, Lewis, Singleton we already have 6 wing players. If it was Evans, I would have understood because he’s a veteran pressence but although Owens is 28 or something I believe, he isn’t a vet.
H is 7 foot tall, strong, is defensive minded (Big East DPOY) and can block shots. How do you not take that over a wing man in our situation??
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See that second name in the list....imagine if it isn't there
now do you get it?
Could mean my assumption that Nick is gone is correct, or could be a leverage move..
smh
I really wish we wouldve signed othyus jeffers instead. i think hamady should stick with the team too, hes put in so much work this summer.
Ah. I missed that
Like proghead33 I was baffled by the choice of Owens over Jeffers.
yea i knew that
but i still think he wouldve been a better pick over owens, OJ is relatively young and is a great defender and rebounder at the guard position. i hope we can bring him back, i really loved the heart he played with last year for us.
Jeffers might be ready by January
If the Wizards signed Owens to a non-guaranteed contract, they could still bring back Jeffers….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
So, Wait.....
Wall, Crawford, Lewis, Blatche, McGee, Booker, Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton, Mack, Owens, Mason, Turiaf
It;s my understanding that they were in the process of signing Hamady Ndiaye…
and I assume they will bring back Nick Young…
That’s 15 players….
Does anyone know what the roster sizes are in the new CBA?
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Hmm...
I don’t assume Nick Young. Wiz could easily lose the battle for his services. I look at what we have and I think that we need a strong rebounding center (and that we’ll miss Nick in a big way if he leaves).
PG: Wall, Mack
SG: Crawford, Mason
SF: Lewis, Singleton, Vesely, Owens
PF: Blatche, Turiaf, Booker, Seraphin
C: Mcgee, N’Daiye
So far - I don't see a ton of teams fighting over Nick
Nick is sitting at home waiting for a call but, and perhaps I’m wrong, but it appears that most of the suitors for Nick’s services have already found suitable Shooting Guards in Free Agency.
Of the teams with significant Cap Space:
Phoenix agreed to a deal with Shannon Brown
Denver will re-sign Aaron Afflalo
Sacramento re-signed Marcus Thornton
New Jersey is saving it’s powder for Dwight Howard
Indiana already has Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and Lance Stephenson under contract.
The Clippers already have Eric Gordon (unless they trade him in a package for Chris Paul)
The Pistons are already paying a ton of money to Ben Gordon
Toronto has DeMar DeRozan
And for the contending teams that could really use some outside shooting (Chicago, Miami, LA Lakers, etc….)- they are already over the cap – so the best they could do would be a MLE deal – The Wizards would be ABSOLUTELY ECSTATIC to match a deal for Nick Young at the MLE….
Chicago looks like they’re going to sign Rip Hamilton if he clears waivers
Other contending teams over the cap will probably look to sign a cheap veteran like Gil Arenas, Michael Redd or Chauncy Billups.
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Also, Indiana is reported to sign and trade McRoberts for Mayo
Indiana also signed West to a 2 yr $20million deal btw
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know what they settled on
But I know Players were pushing for another roster spot. And I heard that they are allowed one more active player each night. So it would be a good guess that they added another roster spot.
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by returnofswagger on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Link? I havent seen that anywhere
I did see that teams can dress up 13 instead of 12 players on game nights
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 10, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why
would we try to sign Larry Owens, who showed nothing useful in garbage minutes last year, over Jeffers who showed he had something of a knack for rebounding and defense even against top teams (Miami)?
Solid signing
Owens played great D last year, and shot the 3 -ball at a decent clip.
But we’re loaded at the wing. I doubt Evans gets resigned now.
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As the 17th player
I don’t care. If there’s only 15 spots on a team, we made a stupid call. We were under the cap, so we could have grabbed a contract or two in the traditional BOYD style. We can also pick up an amnesty player. Read my other post on how that works out.
Odds are, he’ll play a little in garbage time, maybe a bit more with the back-back-back. He’s a back-up’s back-up. Plays hard though, which is a good thing.
It's just the camp roster...
I am assuming at this point that (1) Mo Evans is going elsewhere, (2) getting Turiaf makes H less of a priority and (3) Nick Young’s agent is haggling over his price and the Wizards are playing it tough since Sushi’s options are dwindling, what with Rip going to the Bulls, the Mavs picking up Vince Carter, the Magic giving a 4-year deal to JRich, the Kings giving a nice deal to Thornton, the Jazz apparently seriously courting Josh Howard etc etc.
It is interesting to note that the other good young off guard (Afflalo) who is available, has not signed anywhere to date, either.
The Lakers having just shipped out Odom and previously let Shannon Brown go, might also be viewing Nick or Afflalo as potential swing men to back up Kobe and perhaps even start ahead of Artest. Both guys have powerful LA ties and their careers have been entwined for some time. If this is the case and Afflalo goes to the Lakers, then Nick will be probably be back here.
The issue in any case remains the deal and the variables include both how much money and how long a contract. Afflalo’s contract and Thornton’s 4 yrs at $32 million will basically define the market for what Nick is worth… so this one will remain up in the air fo a few days.
Thornton deal does not set the market
I don’t believe the Thornton deal set’s the market at all. In fact the Thornton deal might have been made by the ghost of Abe. Only an owner that is insane bids against himself. Thornton was restricted and had no offer sheet presented yet the Maloof’s pre-emptively gave Marcus an offer no other team was prepared to.
I’ll say this about Ted. He is smart enough not to start handing out $$$$ until a true market is set. What does this tell you about Nick’s value? There have been teams such as the Bulls that you could make the case need a SG that have not come out and bid. In all likelihood the best case NY was looking at was the MLE. Knowing that the Wiz would match, why would any team make that offer. Now it looks Nick will be lucky to get that MLE offer. He has two options. He signs the one year QQ and becomes UFA next year, or he negotiates a longer term deal with Ted from a position of weakness.
What a refreshing change from the Abe years. We now can reasonably assume that Abe was solely the one responsible in directing EG to negotiate the ghastly GA contract when there were no other bidders in the picture. Now that Ted has had a couple of seasons under his belt you can see him becoming more assertive. This time around there was no Andray-like extension before a market was set. Bravo, this has been a long time coming.
We now can reasonably assume that Abe was solely the one responsible in directing EG to negotiate the ghastly GA contract when there were no other bidders in the picture.
Golden State was offering a five-year max deal, so this is false.
I stand corrected on the GSW offer, although to be fair Abe sweetened the pot far more than what was necessary to keep Gilbert here. I seem to remember GA being offered $124 over 6 before he graciously accepted $111M to provide Abe “flexibility.”
The salient point I was trying to make was it appears Ted has a far better grasp of the business aspect of the game. Why make an offer to NY over the qualifier like the Maloof’s did for Thornton? This example of being prudent would seem to foretell a future where we will be much better positioned to be able to facilitate trades and go after free agents when it makes sense to engage. And while I believe Ted may grow to like some of the players personally, at the end of the day he will likely think of the franchise’s future first before allowing his personal feelings about a player cloud his judgement as I believe Abe did.
With RFAs
A lot of times teams make their own offer in order to sign a guy on their terms instead of letting another team dictate those terms by making an offer. Thornton’s deal was pretty fair to me, so I don’t think that’s the best example.
Point taken
I see your point but think doing business that way presents the problem of putting more money on the table than may be necessary to close the deal.
As for the Thornton signing my view is $8M/yr as way more than NY is worth. I think somewhere around the MLE is more just given Nick’s history. I still think there is growth potential but you should not be rewarded for potential. Mind you this is if you were talking about my money. If Ted wanted to front load a contract with a big signing bonus this year it is his coin so who am I to argue. Ultimately if Nick is hitting the cap for no more than $6M/year in 2012-2015 I could live with that.
Agree totally with your second paragraph
The market for Nick Young is still being determined.
Where I disagree with you is on the Thornton point. Whether the Maloofs made a stupid deal or not (basically Thornton put up numbers in the second half of last season pretty much like Blatche did in the second half of the previous one, so go figure), the Thornton deal still helps define the market for players like Young and Afflalo. Jamal Crawford is still in this mix too, which I forgot to mention in the previous post.
On H,
He’s a young big who will probably pan out to at least a defender/rebounder/garbage player. I’m almost certain Washington doesn’t let him go for nothing. If anything, they’ll keep him at the end of the roster and use him as trade bait at some point.
Assuming no one in China/Turkey/Israel fights us for him...
If they really want him around, I’m pretty sure we’ll be able to pick Billy Dee Creed back up once he’s healed up and the roster shakes out a little bit. I don’t think Owens is really in anybody’s long term plans.
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