Hey Otis, I'll make you an offer you can't refuse!
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 6:37 PM EST
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Hear me out on this one…..
Offer:
Jan Vesely + Jordan Crawford + Chris Singleton + Trevor Booker + Kevin Seraphin + Javale McGee + Rashard Lewis + 2 unprotected firstround picks
For
Dwight Howard, Hedu Turgolu, Brandon Bass and J.J. Reddick
Why Orlando would do it
The Magic receive 5 (!!) first round picks from 2010 and 2011, one more for 2012 (great class) and one for 2013 plus a young athletic center with ton’s of upside. All that while also getting some major salary cap relief in addition to cutting Gilbert.
This should kickstart their rebuild with a chance to land their new franchise player in the 2012 draft (either our pick, their own pick or using both to trade up in the best draft class since 2003) and add another solid piece in 2013 as they are not likely to make the playoffs in either year. Meanwhile they can flip Jameer Nelson and Chris Duhon for an asset or another pick and they might just keep Earl Clark, Daniel Orton and Anderson since they could be of use during their rebuild.
Why Washington would do it
The Bullets instantly become a perenial championship contender with a superstar combo in Wall-Howard with complementary pieces to surround them with.
Offensively Blatche’s skill-set complements Dwight’s game perfectly. Turgolu and Nick (assuming we resign him) spread the floor and with Howard down low and Walls penetrating this is potentially a very well balanced team. It can both run the floor and play the halfcourt. Turgolu also adds some play making to take some of that load off of Wall and Nick can concentrate on doing what he does best: catch-and-shoot.
Defensively this team has the ability to rival the Bulls for the best defensive team in the East. Howard is a great 1-on1 low post defender and he protects the basket if someone gets past our perimeter defenders. Having Howard behind him Wall can feel confident pressuring his man on ball and play the passing lanes a bit more for steals like Rondo does when his man doesn’t have the ball. Turgolu is a very capable, versitile but not elite defender too. Nick is a good on-ball defender but if he fails on the rotations Dwight is there to safe our asses. Blatche isn’t bad if he tries and, again, he won’t be such a liability with Dwight in the paint.
The rest of the rotation
Brandon Bass is a really solid back up for Blatche and a decent defender. Reddick is a terrible defender but he has his range to provide some scoring of the bench. Re-signing Evans as a gritty veteran 3 and D guy would seem like a good idea. Josh Howard should be re-signed too for depth as he is a veteran leader who’d accept a minor role but is still a good enough player on both sides of the floor that can play both SF and SG if needed.
We can then trade Shelvin Mack and Hamady N'Diaye to the Bucks for Shaun Livingston because they have too much pg’s and we know he's a legit backup. Let’s also sign Acie Law for guard depth in case of injury. Joel Pryzbilla would be a good backup for Dwight and since this is my fantasy scenario let’s throw in Francisco Elson for depth. I think we should also pick up Mehmet Okur since he would fit this scenario nicely as a stretch big who could play with Dwight ánd Blatche ánd Bass imo.
Our new lineup:
PG Wall
SG Young
SF Turgolu
PF Blatche
C Howard
Bench:
Bass, Reddick, Evans, Pryzbilla, Livingston
Depth:
Elson, Okur, Law, Howard
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If this is under the assumption that
Dwight Howard will sigan extension with us then HELL YES but if it’s an unknown I’ll pass. But I doubt Orlando does this trade.
Even though we give up a lot of intriguing prospoects., they all have chances to be nothing better than a role player. What I’m saying is that while the prospect ceilings are high, so are the floors, and as of now indications point them more towards the floor than the ceiling (especially for Javale Mcgee who is supposed to be the most intruiging prospect in this trade). Also, the two unprotected draft pick wouldn’t be as attractive since as you described the trade could potentially make our team REALLY good.
But then again this might be the best Orlando can get… I’d be really excited if this happened. But I bet we’d have to throw in Blatche as well.
I don't see how Orlando would receive a better deal than this from anyone
So they’d have to take it since the alternative is that they’d take a worse deal from someone else or worse, he walks for nothing next summer.
I agree with you that our prospects are not bound to be superstars but since the Magic will suck this yr their in this scenario, their own pick should give them a shot at a true franchise player like Barnes or Davis. If they get unlucky in the lottery they can combine the picks to trade up.
Losing Blatche would significantly hurt this deal from our side since his perimeter/high-post game with his good passing really compliments Howards low post presence and the shooters outside.
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David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
So they’d have to take it since the alternative is that they’d take a worse deal from someone else or worse, he walks for nothing next summer.
Howard may FORCE them to take a worse deal – similar to what Carmello Anthony did to Denver… All he has to do is say “I refuse to sign an extension with any team EXCEPT the Lakers” – and the Wizards (and every other team in the League) would be fools to do a trade.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Yeah thats why I put in this might be the best Orlando can get
The more I look at it the more I think its a good deal.
But as Rook mentioned Howard will probably pull a Melo on us…
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Analysis...
Salaries just about match…
Orlando can waive Lewis in next year and save $13 Million. Assuming they amnesty Arenas this year, they go from a team with a 57 Million salary base (for 9 players) in 2012/2013 – to a team with more than $18 Million in cap space with (assuming a $58 Million cap)… Duhon has $7.8 Million expiring contact that might be flipped for an asset – and their young core (Orton, Anderson, Vesely, Singleton, Crawford, Booker and McGee) would be locked up for at least a couple years.
This trade, especially considering the two first round draft picks, really could jump start Orlando’s rebuild. The young players they received back are NOT without some experience already playing together.
That is a lot to give up on Washington’s side…. I would like the deal better if they kept Singleton and Seraphin… and I think that Orlando would go for the deal without both of them included…. By keeping those two, you have defensive minded backups for Hedo (Singleton) and Howard (Seraphin)….
I like resigning Mo Evans for his long range shooting – but another sharp shooting guard would be a good addition rather than Josh Howard…especially if that guard was a top 3-point shooter (Mike Miller?)…
This deal, with it’s combination of salary cap relief, young players and draft picks is certainly a better deal for Orlando than anything the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, Boston or Miami could come up with…. UNFORTUNATELY – Dwight Howard wants to play in Los Angeles….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'd rather keep Singleton and Seraphin too and would be ecstatic if Ernie could preserve them
I forgot to check if the salaries would match. Good call! luckily they do.
We are giving up a ton, I agree, but then again, does it really matter what you give up if you instantly become a contender for at least the next 5 yrs?
Josh Howard could be swapped for a 2 guard with range indeed. I included him because I have had a little soft spot for him ever since he showed us a lot as a leader and a player when he got traded to D.C. He has also expressed his loyalty to the Wizards last off season, so yeah. But I agree, another 3pt thread would be nice. Not sure Miller would want to sit though, maybe Jones?
As for Howard wanting to play in L.A., don’t you think we can convince him that the situation in D.C. is much more favorable? I mean Wall is 21yrs old with Young and Blatche in their mid twenties, whereas Kobe is 167 years old and might fall off the map as soon as this season or the next…..plus Bynum and Gasol would be gone leaving Barnes, Fisher and Artest…. He’d be rebuilding all over again if Kobe retires.
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David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’d be rebuilding all over again if Kobe retires.
Except – IT’S THE LAKERS !!! Unlimited spending power… and with Dwight Howard there, Free Agents would flock to LA…
Kevin Love, Russel Westbrook and Eric Gordon’s contracts expire 2013.
Blake Griffin, Tyreke Evans, James Harden and Stephan Curry’s deals expire in 2014.
Not to mention veterans like Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Gerald Wallace , etc….
They could rebuild in the blink of an eye…..
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
So the point is...
Even though the Wizards (and several other teams) can make much better trade offers to Orlando for Dwight Howard – He will end up in Los Angeles.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I just dont see it
I don’t see him leaving Orlando for Washington. He might just stay in Orlando first. Like you said LA though, that’s a different story.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Unless we are really optimistic
And believe that Howard really only cares about winning basketball
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 1, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well then it is still really hard to imagine him coming to Washington
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
yeah thats true what was I thinking
I just wanted him so bad
by Young Wook Lee on Dec 2, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Then why not concede the point and help LA get Howard, by stealing Bynum and Gasol from them? We trade Lewis, Blatche, and JaVale to Orlando.; we get the Lakers’ frontcourt, while Orlando sends Howard and Turkoglu to the Lakers. Plus they wring the lakers for extra picks or whatever else they want.
We’d be pretty good:
Wall
Young
the better of Vesely, Singleton, Josh Howard
Gasol
Bynum
by Tbonebullets on Dec 1, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely true. Which is why this trade idea might actually work — Bynum and Gasol have flaws as players, which is why L.A. might contemplate it if they can’t find a better proposal anywhere else in order to facilitate their desire for a Howard trade. We’d do it because what we’d be sending is worth much less than what we’d be receiving, Bynum and Gasol’s flaws aside. And the trade itself would only be remotely possible because L.A. and Orlando are in positions of weakness relative to the Wizards, in terms of bargaining power.
Why would the Lakers and Orlando want Washington in the middle?
Why wouldn’t Orlando just take Bynum and Odom from LA for Howard and Turkoglu?
My thoughts are that Bynum + Odom > Blatche + McGee + Lewis
Why would Orlando want them?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Plus, giving up assets for a tier 1 superstar like Howard ok, but Bynum and Gasol?
Neh
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David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
It would depend on the perspective of the receiving party, Orlando. I can see how they would prefer cap relief, a youngish player with a reasonable salary in Blatche, and a high reward young center like JaVale, to receiving an injury-prone Bynum and older player like Gasol. So I disagree with your premise that, from Orlando’s perspective, the Lakers’ package would be superior to ours.
However — if the Lakers could offer Bynum along with other sweeteners (probably draft picks), without Gasol in the mix, I could see Orlando prefering that trade to ours. Problem is: the Lakers cannot do it. The entire premise of the trade is that we are in a superior bargaining position to the other two parties. There is no urgency for us; but we would do it because we would profit in the bargain.
Don't Trade Blatche!
He’s a skilled big who will be an asset to any true Center… If JaVale McGee comes to camp with no low post move, no left hand then he needs to traded away. For a guy with gifted athleticism it seems that he doesn’t take his NBA career serious enough. If I see that lumpy, awkward low-post move again I’m writing a letter to Wizards Organization.
Howard has a short list....
…and the Wiz aren’t on it.
Howard might also have a long list. But the Wiz would not be on that list either. Wall hasn’t proved himself to be the second coming yet, so the Wizards really don’t have much attraction from star players.
Ted’s strategy is to improve through the draft and develop young players. However, to make a difference, those young players have to be likely all-stars and must fit a role on the team. For example, last draft, Williams would have helped with outside shooting from the 3 and Kanter would have helped with rebounding at the 4. Next year, there will comparable, if not better, players available. However, I have no confidence that the team will execute the strategy well.
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