How realistic is it for the Wizards to get Dwight Howard?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Nov 29, 2011 2:11 PM EST
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I mean can we dream for a few moments? I'm not usually a fan of coming up with the most random superstars playing on our team, but after a lot of thought, I'm starting to believe this might be the right thing to do, by possibly going after him. First let's just say for argument sake, next year, that we just outright sign him without trading anyone away. We would just that easily have one of the best teams in league. The one major flaw that we have as a team, defense, would be greatly diminished. I mean look at this potential roster:
SG - Nick Young/Jordan Crawford
SF - Chris Singleton/Jan Vesely
PF - Andray Blatche/Trevor Booker/Kevin Seraphin
C - Dwight Howard/JaVale McGee/Hamady N'Diaye
Of course there may be some role players sprinkled in there and possible a high draft pick (depending on how this year goes). That is a legit roster. With Howard and Singleton in the same line up, players like Blatche won't be as much of a liability on defense. You also would have to assume that John Wall and the other young players will continue to get better. The more that I think about it, I believe if Dwight is not re-signed by next year, I believe it would be advantageous for this team to step up and sign him. We have a far brighter future than Orlando, a strong market, and a good fanbase that would embrace him because we have been voided of a basketball superstar for a very long time (besides Gilbert and Michael Jordan).
On the flip side, I am completely against the idea of trading for Dwight. Look at what happened to the New York Knicks. You would be taking away years of rebuilding just to get a shot at this man. I think the only way we should get him is strictly through free agency or at least a trade that would be used to absorb his salary as opposed to trading players away. What are your thoughts? Is this a realistic option for this team? Can you see Dwight coming to Washington? Do you agree with my thoughts of not trading for him?
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On the flip side, I am completely against the idea of trading for Dwight. Look at what happened to the New York Knicks. You would be taking away years of rebuilding just to get a shot at this man.
What happened to the Knicks? They have Amare and Melo with a real possibility of signing Chris Paul. Seems like they are doing alright.
As for taking away years of rebuilding, when you get 2 players like Wall and Dwight on your team, that is basically all you need as long as you surround them with quality roll players. It is not like Dwight is approaching the end of his career, he has a good 6-7 years of dominant basketball left in him.
I am all for a trade for Dwight.
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
The Knicks screwed up IMO
They spent years clearing bad contracts and trying to build a solid core only to trade away most of that core last year for Carmelo. As you saw they lacked the role players around Melo and Amare to make a run. That’s what I don’t want the Wizards to do. Sometimes you do more harm than good. They may sign Paul, but then what money would they have left to get good role players? They have no bench and virtually no depth in their front court. They aren’t winning a championship with that team. Imagine how good they would have been if they had just signed Melo in the off season.
I don’t think getting good role players is that easy. I think people think because Boston did it, that it is easy to get some star together, throw in some mediocre role players and you will win. It just doesn’t work that way. Miami struggled in the finals because they had a weak supporting cast and they still have no money to add anyone decent around them to make them better.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Nov 29, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In an offseason with no money Miami got Mike Miller, Mike Bibby, Z, and I believe re-signed Haslem. You get the stars and the role players will come.
Wall, Young, and Howard also complement each other far better than the Heat trio. Add a 3 and D wing (if Singleton/Vesely play like rookies or go in the trade) and a veteran 4 man and that team is in the top 4 in the East for the next 10 years.
Mike Bibby? Z?
Really dude, really? Mike Bibby shot like 25% the entire playoffs, Z wasn’t even active for most of the playoffs and Mike Miller had one good series. Is that really your idea of good role players?
by ThePGPhenomenon on Nov 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely NO WAY the Knicks get Chris Paul
read THIS
The numbers just don’t work – AT ALL…. !!!
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Wish I had insider….
Flacco has to trust his receivers to make catches, but shouldn’t throw towards coverage. He needs to attack deep more often, but shouldn’t hold onto the ball so long. He needs to show more awareness in the pocket and move to extend plays, but nothing good comes of him leaving the pocket. He should run with the ball if nobody’s open, but he definitely can’t run with the ball.
Flacco should have the awareness of Roethlisberger, the elusiveness of Vick, the control of the offense of Manning, the leadership of Brady, the accuracy of Brees, and the arm strength of … Flacco? - Ampallang
Sorry...
Hollinger crunched the numbers… Even if the Knicks manage to release EVERY PLAYER other than Stoudemire and Anthony, they would still only have $13.4 Million left to try to entice Chris Paul…
Paul will make $16.4 million this year and would be opting out of $17.7 million in 2011-12. Should he opt out next summer, a new five-year contract with the Hornets would start at $17.177 million and pay him as much as $22.3 million by the end — a total of $98.8 million. In comparison, over the life of the maximum allowable four-year deal with the Knicks, he could get only $57.6 million.
OK – so there is absolutely NO WAY that Chris Paul would give up over $40 Million dollars just to play for the Knicks….
What about sign-and-trade, you say?
Other than Stoudemire and Anthony, the Knicks have no assets… They traded away all their assets (draft picks, and young players) to get Carmello Anthony. You think the Hornets would trade Chris Paul for Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas, and Landry Fields?? Ain’t happening…
The only reason we keep hearing Chris Paul to New York rumors are because it’s New Freaking York… Big city. Marquee franchise… But other than that, the numbers just don’t work.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I believe it makes him an UFA
but the Hornets retain his “Bird” rights …
In other words, they can sign him for more years and higher raises than other teams can offer….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
It might not all be about money though
LeBron and Chris Bosh both had bird rights with their original teams when they bolted for Miami. If he’s committed to helping create a superteam, he can probably make up some of that difference with the better marketing opportunities available in NYC.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 30, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
$40 Million dollars?
He’s gonna make up $40 Million dollars?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
No
But I think he’d make up enough to justify leaving New Orleans for somewhere he could be more competitive.
I’m not completely sold on the hype that he’s all in about making a Big Three in New York, but I don’t think he is a fan of his current situation in New Orleans. I feel more comfortable that he won’t be a Hornet than he will be a Knick next year.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Okay
So maybe Chris Paul will be a Knick next year.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 1, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely go for Howard
Obviously getting Howard as a free agent would be great, but I don’t have any problem with the idea of trading for him. Any combination of any players not named John Wall would be fine with me. I would counter the example of the Knicks with both the Celtics and Heat. Both essentially blew up their existing teams except for their “Big 3”s and then filled in around them.
If Dwight were to become a free agent..
Our best bet would be to Amnesty Blatche, Trade Shard’s expiring contract, and sell Dwight on pairing him with Wall, another top 8 pick, and even after giving him a Max Contract we would still have enough cap room to sign another impact player. Vesely’s game would actually mesh sort of well with Dwight in the front-court as a stretch 4, which opens up intriguing opportunities in the 2012 draft. As of now I want a low post banger like Sullinger but with Dwight in the paint there wouldn’t be enough room for both of them. In this case, Harrison Barnes might be the perfect pick. A lineup of:
PG- Wall, Mack
SG- Young, Crawford
SF- Barnes, Singleton
PF- Vesely/ (Free agent signing), Booker
C- Howard, McGee, Seraphin
It has to at least intrigue Dwight. He is still young and won’t be looking for a quick fix. This team would be great for a long time. Leonsis can point to Ovechkin when selling Dwight and say “look how big this guy and franchise has become and in HOCKEY in DC which is a basketball town”. Verizon Center + the new construction of CityCentre DC (which btw you must see the renderings, it looks unreal) right next to it would be hottest place in DC every single night. It’s a long shot though and my bet is the magic trade him.
the biggst hurdle imho is that he probably doesnt want to come here
definitely think Ted should open his wallet and do everything in his power to convince him to sign here, Leonsis is basically a salesman in many ways and he should be much better than Ernie at selling Dwight on this city, this team
I definitely think the Wizards will make a play for Dwight
They’ve been freeing up cap space I believe to make a play for a big FA in a few years, maybe even as soon as this year if the right player is available.
But I think in order for us to make Dwight a realistic possibility, we have to become a winning team by as soon as next year. This team has potential, and some don’t think we’ll be very good this year, but these superstars don’t have any patience. Even if you are a team that has talent, but still CAN’T win, a big-time superstar like Dwight likely wouldn’t sign there. He already has all the money he can get, through games & endoresments, and his main goal is to win a championship. So if we want to sign Dwight outright as a FA or trade & extend him, I think we’ll have to be a playoff team this year, which I actually think is a possibility, especially because the bottom of the East is so weak.
But I honestly think Dwight really want to go to the Lakers (which wouldn’t make much sense IMO) or team up in BK w/ Deron (which has a terrible supporting cast). I don’t think choosing those teams would be very smart, but that’s just my hunch.
I would rather sign him outright as a FA, but I would still trade for him if we had the chance. But I don’t know what ORL is going to do right now. They’ve said that they won’t trade him, but I highly doubt they would want what happened to Cleveland to happen to them, so I ultimately think they will trade him, and I think we have enough assets to make a deal for him, plus the ability to take on a big contract like Turk.
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that new arena in Brooklyn will be tough to beat
couple that with an owner that will laugh at the lux tax, add in all that JayZ nonsense, and damn but DC dont look so great really. Dwight seems (to me anyway) like a gigantic ham who wants to be on the biggest stage possible (LA/NYC)…guess we’ll see
Factors For Dwight
I think it’s realistic to think that both the Wizards will go after Dwight next summer and that he may be interested in coming to DC, however there are certain things that need to happen
1. Wall needs to take that D-Rose “next step”. Having a “pass first” PG is something that every scorer would love to have. Playing alongside a playmaker would be an easier adjustment for Dwight then say going to LA and having to fit in with Kobe.
2. A “2nd star” needs to surface. Whether it’s Young if they re-sign him, Crawford, Dray, McGee, Vesely, or whomever, regardless of who, somebody needs to step it up consistently with Wall.
3. The Wizards need to become an exciting team, yet also have a top 5 lottery pick. Tough combo, but they need to make strides to becoming a young up in coming team, but also find themselves in the running for a top pick, hopefully a PF like Davis.
Finally, don’t knock the power of playing a city like DC or the league wide popularity of John Wall, those can be major factors.
I think we will make some pitch or feeler for him, especially if we make some tangible progress
it’s freaking Dwight Howard!
But as you pointed out, we need someone in our current roster to make a next step, even Rashard rekindling his old touch may be good enough too, and Wall must make a Rose-like improvement, which starts with improved pull up shooting and hopefully a better three point shot. Wall must be our number one perimeter option (what I mean by that is that we let him decide who gets the ball or let him decide when he’s gonna pull up or drive), not necessarily our top scorer (though he probably will be), but he must be the guy that defenses are damned for, no matter what.
I don’t really call Dwight a big scorer; it’s his defense that we need. BIG TIME! At the Magic’s peak, the team didn’t really have such a player, but Lewis or Howard or Alston (in the playoff run) knew when to step up.
Why all three are unlikely to happen
1. Point guards usually make their “next step” entering their third year.. like Westbrook D-Rose CP3 Deron Williams and even.. Mike Conley (he went from being useless to quality starter). That being said all of them did make improvement in their 2nd year so its not like Wall won’t be better, he just won’t be significantly better (probably).
2. If a “2nd star” emerges than it’ll probably most likely be Blatche or McGee. I don’t see nick young improving significantly more, crawford either, and the rookies just won’t be as impactful. Blatche if he just puts his mind to it can easily be our 2nd star.. as he once again teased us at the end of last season. Mcgee we all know has probably the most “potential” of anyone in the NBA.. so he always a chance but I doubt someone just gains basketball IQ in an instance. But it’s possible, so that can happen… but if that happens..
3. This can’t happen. We’ll be exciting, but we’ll probably make the playoffs in the weak Eastern Conference. Which is OK since then we can try sign Howard.. I just doubt he comes here.
by Young Wook Lee on Nov 30, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
For Dwight to come here at some point next year
Wall will have to prove that he is in that top tier of PG’s. He is going to have to make a leap and show the league and Dwight some things.
Also, the team as a whole is going to have to be successful. Make some noise on ESPN, get some ratings, and get some momentum rolling in our direction. Get that reputation as a young up and coming team that can make some noise. If Dwight sees himself as the guy that will put a good young team over the top, and be a leader, then this would be an ideal destination.
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by returnofswagger on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST reply actions
Meant to include this
If Nick catches the media’s eye with a couple of 40 point games… Jordan Crawford posts a couple of triple doubles and gets 40 of his own a few times… Wall notches a few triple doubles, or 40 point games, or comes out averaging 12 assists per, early… Then we know how the media works.
If Was turns into one of those sexy teams with some sexy names on them(Crawford, Nick, Javale, Vesely, or even Dray) that the media latches on to, then that would go a long way of putting us on Dwight’s radar.
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by returnofswagger on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure it's overly optimistic though
Well the whole idea of Dwight coming here definitely takes some optimism. But if Nick, Crawford, or most likely Wall, steal the spotlight on a big stage like against Howard, or the big three, a couple of times, then that goes a long way.
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by returnofswagger on Nov 30, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
the thing is, that should happen now and again if this team is going anywhere.
the idea that the team has to be putrid again so that it will be great thereafter misses the point that if the current core cant open up the occasional can of whoop ass on an older team like the Cs for instance then it aint much of core. If none of our current guys (past Wall) are capable of dominating a game or two here and there….we really even havent started building yet.
and btw, for people focused on looking to the Thunder as evidence we can and basically should
suck again this season….let’s not forget the Thunder fired their coach in Durant’s 2nd year after an abysmal start and that they finished out the season 10-13 over the last month or so with multiple wins over the Spurs and the Mavs. That’s real progress and not just another toilet bowl 20ish win season even though they only won 23 games that year. Wizards need to show the same kind of spark in this abbreviated season where we get to play mainly east conf teams!
and if we start out 2-18 Flip needs to feel the heat
Well, I don't think we're going to be on ESPN much if at all this season
only one game (the regular season finale) was scheduled on national TV that’s not named NBA TV….
Unfortunately, as much as I hate to say it, JaVale’s tendency to dunk even when it’s a stupid decision is what gets us on the highlight reels, as well as any blazing Wall to Wall speed and passes
Well the Clip didn't get nationally televised games last year.
And I’m sure OKC wasn’t taking over the airwaves at the beginning. But it’s about the hype that they induce. All those top 10 plays Blake was getting last year. All the “young guns of the league” talk…. I think that goes a loonnngggg way.
When they get the ball rolling on an NBA team, all of the semi-fans start talking. And the Dwight Howard’s notice the buzz like everyone else.
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by returnofswagger on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
So excited to talk WIZARDS again!
Can’t wait to see the new unis in a real game, and see John Wall go coast to coast and dunk it in Dwight Howard’s face!
As for us signing Dwight … highly doubtful. I’m glad everybody’s drinking the Kool Aid, but the chances that Nick Young and Jordan Crawford will light up the league this year are minut.
On the other hand, I totally agree that the Wizards should be very aggressive in pursuing Howard. Throw every dime at him you can, enlist John Wall, and let’s see if Ted can make a huge move. Hard to compete with NY and LA though.
I highly doubt we have to worry about NY
LA, on the other hand, is probably the favorite at this point. The Knicks do not have the money to sign him, and Melo and Amare aren’t going anywhere to free up some space. I really doubt he would go to Brooklyn to be in the shadow of the Knicks as well.
But a lot of the NBA players idolize Jay-Z
who is the majority influence maker for the New Jersey Nets. Legally it’s Prokohorov’s, but Jay-Z has majority influence, or at least it appears to be that way. I don’t necessarily see the Nets playing second fiddle to the Knicks with that brand new arena, and with Prokhorov basically saying his team is on a five year plan to win the NBA championship no matter what the cost is. If he has to send some “back door” rubles to Dwight to double his salary, he’ll do it.
And Brooklyn is New York City. It’s not Manhattan, but it’s still NYC and they’ll get plenty of spotlight, esp. with Jay-Z.
Brooklyn is cooler than Manhattan
getting out of new jersey does wonders for the Nets, for the reasons you mentioned I dont think they’ll be playing 2nd fiddle to the Knicks anymore
You highly doubt he would go to Brooklyn?
I would say Brooklyn is the leader in the clubhouse behind LA.
If the Clippers offer Blake Griffin like DA suggested on NBA TV I think they have a really good change to get him.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Magic
would want Griffin AND Jordan, and offer back Ryan Andersen and a first or some BS…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 1, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
For those who don't know
This is a BEAUTIFUL arena right at the foot of the Brooklyn bridge. As thewiz points out, the spotlight on the Nets will be completely different. Hell, I’ll probably root for them because my buddy has so much trouble getting cabs from upper Manhattan to Brooklyn!
WIZARDS HAVE ASSETS
I REPEAT WIZARDS HAVE SERIOUS ASSETS
maybe better than any team in the league can offer.
LETS GET REAL PEOPLE. we make ANY combination of assets for dwight. period
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Nov 30, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions
And once we give up those assets, we won't have a team left to put around him.
Never mind the fact that he most probably wouldn’t consider coming here in the first place, regardless of our roster situation.
Our assets for Howard are
1. Rashard Lewis – because of his contract
2. John Wall – because he’s John Wall
3. Nick Young – assuming we sign and trade and sign him to a big deal
4. First round picks in 2013 through 2015 (we don’t necessarily give up all of these for him)
5. JaVale McGee – because he’s another 7 footer who loves to block everything going his way
6.Andray Blatche – gives Orlando some mid range to close range scoring if he went there…
So you’re right overall. At best any trade for Howard right now (without knowing how good our roster is), is like the NY Knicks trade for Anthony, on welfare.
That is not a complete list of the assets
That Orlando would be interested in.
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by returnofswagger on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would give up McGee, Blatche, Young/Crawford
in a heartbeat for Howard and Turkgolu. In a split second. Would even throw in Booker or Singleton if Orlanda demanded it.
Wall/Young/Lewis/Vessely/Howard…plus a lottery pick this year…
I will take it….
no clue if the numbers work…
but Howard isn’t coming to DC unless Leonsis gives him a minority stake … heh
more than that...
—We can take on Turkoglu’s contract
—We have seraphin.
—we have a more than likely top 5 pick next year
—Blatche has a modest contract
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions
better yet...
We can take ARENAS AND TURKOGLU
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions
We could take Turkoglu as a 2nd ball handler if we lost Crawford
but Arenas? Seriously? Ted would fire Ernie and release Gilbert the moment that happens and it’s because of the apparent “dis” that Gil gave Ted in the Wall era, not because of gungate.
Ted never elaborated, but it must have been body language
Here is a quote from the Post on an article after last season.
It’s no coincidence that it was also Arenas’s last game in a Wizards uniform. Leonsis tried to embrace Arenas after the infamous gun incident and said he never considered dealing his highest paid player until he realized that — though Arenas had been telling Leonsis otherwise — the three-time all-star had no desire to be a part of a rebuilding team.
"I was offended. I said to Gilbert, ‘Let’s make this work. I got your back,’ " Leonsis said of his conversations with Arenas before dealing him to Orlando for Rashard Lewis. "When he left, it really was a breath of fresh air came into the locker room and the building. I underestimated how much focus, time, attention, emotion, history was around him. It ended up being the best thing for us, because it really did put the pivot from old to new in concrete, if you will. Okay, there is no more Big Three here. It’s all about the young kids and John, it’s your team."
Assuming this is all true, well, I can’t blame Gil for wanting out, and I can’t blame Ted for feeling offended either when Gil first told him that he was in for the rebuild around Wall.
I wouldnt assume it's all true, Ted will lie as quickly as Gil does.
really hard to believe Ted truly wanted to keep Gil here, hell, I bet Ernie and Gil havent said 10 words to each other in 2 years. Gil HAD to go but with his contract there was always the legit chance he couldnt be moved so everyone had to talk nice
I agree for the most part
there was a report that Gil apologized to Ted back in January when he got suspended by the NBA, when Ted was still the minority owner. Even with Ted taking over in June 2010, it’s not really a clean slate, considering that he was a behind the scenes force before then as well.
I underestimated how much focus, time, attention, emotion, history was around him. It
That’s stunningly dissapointing. He should have known, we all knew.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 30, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well at the time of Gil's trade
we still had a considerable amount of folks who wanted him to stay to mesh with John.
True
At the time I didn’t like the trade either but that was because I thought Lewis was the inferior player with an even worse contract. Lewis positively suprised me as a player and veteran leader while Arenas completely fell of the map…
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Back to the task at hand
What would be a fair offer that would help the Wizards and satisfy the Magic?
How about Jordan Crawford and Javale McGee plus two first rounders?
it would probably be something akin to what the Knicks gave the Nugs for Anthony
Basically all your young talent + multiple draft picks. We’d probably be talking 2 first rounders, McGee, Crawford, one of our forward prospects and we’d have to take one of the Magic’s terrible contracts (Gil-Zero or Hedo the Turk)
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 1, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
And in no world am I prepared to see Gil back
I think this is in the back of everyone’s mind
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 1, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you have to take back Gil...
I’m pretty sure Orlando will amnesty him…. That leaves only one really bad contract on their books – Turkoglu…
The Wizards could offer Crawford, McGee, Vesely, Rashard Lewis (Immediate $13 Million cap savings) and a first round pick
for
Howard and Turkoglu
LA could offer Bynum and scrubs… but no cap relief or decent picks
New York has nothing…
Chicago could offer Noah and Taj Gibson, but no cap relief or decent picks…
The Clippers could offer the best deal – if they could see their way to giving up Blake Griffin….
But I really don’t see another team besides the Clippers that could offer more to Orlando in terms of young players, Cap relief AND picks than Washington… Of course, Howard could just demand to be traded to LA – and then nothing would matter anyway….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Hey Otis, I'll make you an offer you can't refuse
Hear me out on this one…..
Offer:
Vesely+ Crawford + Singleton+ Booker + Seraphin + Javale + Lewis + 2 unprotected firstround picks
For
Dwight Howard, Turgolu, Brandon Bass and JJ Reddick
Why Orlando would do it
The Magic receive 5 (!!) first round picks from 2010 and 2011, one more for 2012 (great class) and one for 2013 plus a young athletic center with ton’s of upside. All that while also getting some major salary cap relief in addition to cutting Gilbert. This should kickstart their rebuilding with a chance to land their new franchise player in the 2012 draft (either our pick, their own pick or using both to trade up in the best draft class since 2003) and add another solid piece in 2013 as they are not likely to make the playoffs in either year. Meanwhile they can flip Nelson and Duhon for an asset or another pick and they might just keep Earl Clark, Orton and Anderson since they could be of use during their rebuild.
Why Washington would do it
The Bullets instantly become a perenial championship contender with a superstar combo in Wall-Howard with complementary pieces to surround them with.
Offensively Blatche’s skill-set complements Dwight’s game perfectly. Turgolu and Nick spread the floor and with Howard down low and Walls penetrating this is potentially a very well balanced team. It can both run the floor and play the halfcourt. Turgolu also adds some play making to take some of that load off of Wall and Nick can concentrate on doing what he does best: catch-and-shoot.
Defensively this team has the ability to rival the Bulls for the best defensive team in the East. Howard is a great 1-on1 low post defender and he protects the basket if someone gets past our perimeter defenders. Having Howard behind him Wall can feel confident pressuring his man on ball and play the passing lanes a bit more for steals like Rondo does when his man doesn’t have the ball. Turgolu is a very capable, versitile but not elite defender too. Nick is a good on-ball defender but if he fails on the rotations Dwight is there to safe our asses. Blatche isn’t bad if he tries and, again, he won’t be such a liability with Dwight in the paint.
The rest of the rotation
Brandon Bass is a really solid back up for Blatche and a decent defender. Reddick is a terrible defender but he has his range to provide some scoring of the bench. Re-signing Evans as a gritty veteran 3 and D guy would seem a good idea. Josh Howard should be re-signed for depth as he is a veteran leader as well who’d accept a minor role but still is a good enough player on both sides of the floor at both SG and SF if needed.
We can then trade Mack and NDiaye to the Bucks for Livingston because they have too much pg’s and we know he is a legit backup. Let’s also sign Acie Law for guard depth in case of injury. Pryzbilla would be a good backup for Dwight and since this is my fantasy scenario let’s throw in Franscisco Elson for depth. I think we should also pick up Okur since he would fit this scenario nicely as a stretch big who could play with Dwight ánd Blatche ánd Bass imo.
Our lineup:
PG Wall
SG Young
SF Turgolu
PF Blatche
C Howard
Bench:
Bass, Reddick, Evans, Pryzbilla, Livingston
Depth: Elson, Okur, Law, Howard
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back!
David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Geesh, I should have made a fanpost out of it lol
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back!
David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
You know what, I will!
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back!
David Aldridge
by Dutch Hoopfan on Dec 1, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest I really don't want to give up 5 draft picks for Dwight
As awesome of a player as he is and as NBA 2k12-ish it would be to have him on the Wizards, our team is far from one player away from being a contender. If we end up giving all our young talent and picks away for D12, we might be stuck in the knicks predictament. Two Stars and zero way to add anyone else of value to the team. Can’t win a title with 2 guys. Or 3 for that matter.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 1, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Remember it took OKC 3 years
And 3 lottery (if not top 5 i think right?) draft picks to re-load and become contenders for the forseeable future. Let’s not get hasty and give up our long term future for D12 now.
That being said if we can get D12 without giving up too many draft picks (like this years 1st rounder) you pull the trigger on that ish immediately.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Wait....
John Wall
Nick Young
Chris Singleton
Andray Blatche
Dwight Howard
That’s not a contending team?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
You got it Rook
Dwight will be 26. He will likely play another decade. We can become instant contenders with him and Wall on the same team. And we can build a dynasty.
Don’t rule out Shard being bought out and coming back to give Singleton some time to grow. I’m all in favor of going all in now to trade for him before the season. I’d also add some vets to the mix like bringing back Josh Howard (if healthy) and signing vet PG and C backups.
Let Ted, Wall, and Shard (I’d even enlist Sheila Johnson in the pitch) convince him on the present and future of the Wizards, cap flexibility, and the ability to give him a bigger contract than any other team.
You win in the NBA with Superstars.
We would also have a pretty big window of contention. The draft and MLE are plenty enough to win a title in the next 3 years if this deal were to go down.
The main thing is that
we need to have a respectable year (playoffs at least) and then we can try to entice Dwight. But if we miss the playoffs, I think there is NO chance that we get him. These big names who leave are all starving for a Chip and don’t wanna take a chance on a team like the Wizards. If we can show that we can play hard in at least the first round, then, we have a chance.
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Andre Drummond
2012 first pick in the Draft he plays for UCONN scouts compare him to Howard, I still have to see. was impressive last night vs #25 Harvard
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