NBA Lockout Is Tenatively Over, So Here Are Some Key Dates
I'm on vacation in Florida, but BNIE texted me the news that the NBA lockout is over, pending the reformation of the NBA Players Union, the owners approving it and both sides voting on the new deal. That means our attention can (finally!) shift towards actual basketball-related storylines.
There's still a lot left to be known, but here's what we do know.
- First, the season will start on December 25, though the Wizards won't be starting until later.
- Everyone will play a modified 66-game schedule -- it remains to be seen which teams will be cut from the normal 82-game schedule, but Tom Ziller believes the schedule will include two games each for out-of-conference foes, leaving eight games leftover.
- Free agency will likely begin on December 9, because it'll likely take that much time for the union to reform and everyone to vote. That'll mean free agency would begin 16 days before the season begins.
- It also looks like training camp will start then, if not earlier. This means we'll potentially see a situation similar to the NFL, where there's a quick free-agent blitz and they may have to wait to practice. Luckily, there aren't as many NBA free agents.
- As a reminder, here are the Wizards' free agents, without knowing how the cap situation works: Nick Young (restricted), Josh Howard, Yi Jianlian (already had his qualifying offer declined), Maurice Evans, Othyus Jeffers (with a QO), Cartier Martin, Hamady Ndiaye (with a QO), Larry Owens (with a QO).
- Here's the Wizards' overall salary situation. You can add $4-5 million more for the salaries for Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton and Shelvin Mack.
All these questions will soon be answered. For now: happy NBA-ing!
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The owners easily won the lockout
Most of the details aren’t out yet, but the players were forced to give up $300 million, the MLE is reduced, the luxury tax number was significantly reduced (not quite a hard cap, but close), and luxury tax teams will no longer have the luxury pf using the MLE.
But it was widely though that the owners had won the lockout in ’99, but now, everyone is saying that it was a great deal for the players. Maybe in 6 years, the owners will want to lockout again and say that this deal they agreed to is bad for them (even though I doubt it happens).
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I think "who wins" is based on how you look at it and how sympathetic you are to one of the sides
and I’ll admit that I was very pro-NBA here, so I do think the players got a great deal on the system issues and in many ways they won there. I don’t think the players should have given potentially up to 14% of the revenues they previously had (though the dollar value of their contracts won’t be altered – and we should note that).
If people say the players won this lockout, it is because they get to keep the framework of the system they are used to with teams being able to spend as much money as they need to win, and also because star players (but really anyone) can still LeBron or Mel’ify their teams, though I don’t expect anyone to do this on an ESPN special. That is what a huge part of this lockout is all about, maybe a bit too much.
Do I think that the owners will try to lockout the players in 2017? That really depends on the economy over the next several years. It also depends on if some of these small market teams like Milwaukee, Portland, Indiana, New Orleans, Sacramento, and Charlotte either move, get sold to new owners, or fold. We may see a number of these teams get sold really quickly because the owners are not happy with this system (if and when it passes), and the new owners who take over would at least be more happy with this system otherwise why buy into it? Second, will many of these teams (mostly low performing teams) be facing the same issues they face right now over the next several years? If so, they are going to want a hard cap and an even more robust revenue sharing plan in 2017. Right now it’s hard to say, but I am not surprised if either they still all suck and have paltry attendance, or if at least some of them enjoy some successful years ahead.
Am I happy the lockout is almost over? Yes, it’s better than have us bicker over theoretical issues. Did I see every system issue I wanted as a fan? Absolutely not. But the system in place appears to even the playing field, in particular after we see the revenue sharing numbers, and hopefully that will materialize in practice. Also, I hope players don’t hold their teams hostage, only because they don’t have a movie studio next door like the Lakers and Clippers or because there are only square dancing saloons, like in OKC.
by thewiz06 on Nov 26, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This agreement, was obviously because after Hunter came out with the decert and lawsuit plan, their was an internal outcry from the players that they didn’t want to even risk missing a season of checks.
I’m sure Stern knows he won, and Fisher and Hunter know they were whipped.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Nov 26, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
An obvious question is whether the shorter season favors the Wizards in any way
The real benefit is less fatigue late in the season, but who thinks the Wizards will be in the mix come playoff time? (Not meant as a rhetorical question)
I heard that since about a month of the season was missed,
that they are going to cram some games in so more games won’t be missed. This most likely means more back-to-backs, and lest time to rest between games. But I’m not quite sure why they would have to cram games in, since they said that the start of the playoffs and Finals will be pushed back.
I actually think that we could be a darkhouse team for that 8th seed (prepared to be called delusional), but it all depends on how much our young players have improved, if Dray has gotten in-shape, etc.
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They say it'll be a 66 game season
So a bit shorter than usual. The bumps and bruises from those extra games add up late in the season. But if anything, it probably just makes the dominant teams more dominant.
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With lockout over, I decided to try BF out. Whats the best guess on who the Wizards will play against on opening day?
by HeyHeyDoctorJ on Nov 26, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I hope it's a home opener against the Bobcats
Why? Because they are the worst or at least one of the very worst teams in the league right now and a home win could really createmsome momentum.
The opening part of the original season was really harsch for us. It could have legitimately turned into a 2-12 start or some such with all the negativity putting an overall down mentality on the team. The lockout was terrible but with a new schedule to be made, new hope for a friendly opening sequens is here! Like Johan Cruijff once said "Every disadvantege has it’s upside :)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 26, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
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I read a couple situations where we could cut Rashard as part of an "amnesity" rule
Honestly I didn’t completely understand it, but is this a possibility still?
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Looks like the amnesty rule is in
I think we are almost definitely waiving him if that’s true. Look for a couple dozen other players hitting the market too… udrih is an interesting one.
I can’t wait for this offseason!
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by Juice over Whine on Nov 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think Wizards are 50/50
if Rashard is healthy, we may not amnesty him, and besides, we have a clear starter at every position, and he is one of them.
Many, if not most teams don’t have a clear roster at the start of training camp on Dec 9 which is also the start of Free Agency. We have that luxury of knowing most of our guys. Only question mark on who comes or goes is Nick Young who needs to cut his hair already.
YOU LEAVE NICK YOUNG'S HAIR ALONE!
We are in its debt. It showed great courage. (Someone please get this reference…)
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Nope...don't get it all, sorry
He must go back to the Fro it was around this time last yr. The early 80’s Michael Jackson look!
by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
This is a good primer on the subject...
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
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Not official, but probably
Most recent proposal had their salaries counting for 75 percent on the cap. Player gets full payout though.
I think the draft makes it likely that Lewis goes
We now have two SFs who need playing time. Although if JHoward is gone there should be some minutes to go around.
Singleton=Steal of 2011.
by Juice over Whine on Nov 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Although I do like Lewis as a trade chip
Not many people have talked about using it on Blatche…
Singleton=Steal of 2011.
by Juice over Whine on Nov 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yep AB makes the most sence to me too
though he’s not making a terribly high salary, its way to much for what he brought last yr. I highly doubt he ever turns a corner and his contract has 4 more yrs on it…
by Dutch Hoopfan on Nov 26, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
nvm most of the details are out
Details of Agreement
Schedule
- Free Agency Starts on or around December 9
- Training Camps Starts December 9
- Few Exhibition Games Will Happen
- Games begin on December 25
- Opening Day Games are Celtics Vs Knicks, Heat Vs Mavs, Bulls Vs Lakers
- 66 Game Season
BPI
- Players agree to 51-49 Split (ESPN Reports Players Receive 49% over 57%. Improved Profits Give 51%)
- High spending teams lose advantage
Salary Cap
- Owners must spend a percent of salary cap on team payroll in 1st 2 years (90 percent of cap in years 3 and on)
Luxury Tax
- Luxury Tax is harsher (Extreme Tax at 85 Million or Higher)
- No hard cap
- Up to a $4 to the Dollar Tax
Other Details
- Deal is valid for 10 years
- Both sides can opt out after year 6
Conclusion
- Owners won agreement per ESPN, Slam Dunk
- Agreement still pending, need to write the agreement out.
Further Talks
- Draft, Age Limit, Drug Testing will be discussed further tomorrow
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by DMVLeGenD on Nov 26, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully they add more Christmas matchups, like
Wizards vs. Clippers on Christmas day in the Verizon Center!!!!!!
The owners were always going to win.
They had 100 percent of the leverage, due to the current economic conditions. What I’m pleased about is that the hard-line owners didn’t get what they wanted, with a 53-47 percent split of BRI in their favor. That would’ve created such animosity among the players that it would have been hard to overcome.
The players did get some concessions in the new talks yesterday; looks like their decertification/lawsuit gambit worked (yeah, I know it wasn’t technically a decert, but the practical effect was the same). It makes the players happier, and should lead to smoother labor relations in the future.
the hard line owners are not only losing money, but their teams suck and their attendance sucks in most cases.
They need something that allows them to compete, which helps their bottom line in most circumstances though it should be known that Indiana was still losing money when it made the Finals for whatever reason. Hopefully, the revenue sharing agreement includes a good amount of local TV money and that these teams will use some of that money on players instead of pocketing it like we see in baseball.
As I wrote above, I think a number of hard line team owners will sell their teams in the near future to new guys. We also could start seeing a bunch of relocations too, where Seattle gets the Sonics, Mach 2 if they build a new arena, Anaheim gets a team (they basically are first in line right now), and that we’ll see Vancouver and Montreal getting teams in their large markets. Relocations are good and bad. Good in the fact that new cities join (or re-join) the NBA experience first hand. Bad news is that we may see fewer smaller metro areas with NBA teams than before, since most relocations will be from small to large metro areas, rather than a large to small area (Seattle is an exception, not a rule)
they were never going to get that...unless players were idiots
It was all good cop bad cop…how many times did Stern say “accept now or else”…
I think players just weren’t willing to blow it all up…owners were…owners BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement) was no season, players didn’t have one (like form a renegade league, go overseas en masse, or no season and have a stipend in place using income from elsewhere) therefore owners were able to negotiate from a stronger footing and it showed the last 5 months, not to mention an inept PR strategy from union…
oh well…let’s get this party started…
I always felt there was no way the NBA...
would blow off the Christmas TV ratings, much less the whole season.
Kudos to our free agent Mo Evans for being in on the final deal making!
Now we can get back to the fun stuff.
If I were a player or the union,...I would have played this vey differently
and basically ignored Stern’s empty threats and come up with a completely different PR and negotiation strategy…but what is done is done…
Welcome back…can’t wait to get my jersey in the mail…



by DavidDunn on Nov 26, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Please don't ban me
But Fuck yes!
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Nov 26, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
BNIE, I think you need to round up the old gang
Montage style
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And I am still too scared to look up the definition of "tentatively".
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Nov 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
tentatively
typically an appendage of an oceangoing creature :p
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Point is
The NBA can not afford to lose Lamar Odom.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Nov 27, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions

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