2011 Draft Prospect Profile - Jared Sullinger
Jared Sullinger
Ohio State - Freshman
6' 8" , 250 lbs , 18 Years old
Stats after 21 games - 30 minutes, 17.8 points (57.6%), 10.0 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.5 blocks
Draft projection: Top 10 - I have him as #5 in my mock draft.
NBA Position: Power Forward
Jared Sullinger has a basketball pedigree. His father (Satch Sullinger) is a High School coach at Columbus Northland in the Sullinger's home town of Columbus, OH. His two older brothers both played for major College basketball programs. Julian, 6 years older than Jared, played forward for Kent State; and JJ (James), 10 years older than Jared, played at home town Ohio State. Jared gets his toughness and rough and tumble style from growing up and playing against his older brothers; but he gets his great fundamentals, footwork and intensity from his High School coach (and Father), Satch.
Sullinger was named Ohio's "Mr. Basketball" his Junior and Senior years at Columbus Northland. He was also named the 2010 Naismith Award winner as the national high school player of the year. That same year, his dad won the Naismith coach of the year. It is the first time a father and son have won the awards in the same year.
Anyone who has played the NBA Lottery Mock Draft on ESPN knows that Jared Sullinger comes up as the Wizards pick more often than not; so let's get to know him a bit better after the jump.
Jared Sullinger is a 6'9" Power Forward prospect from Ohio State. He has solid length and a wing span of about 7'1". A far cry from the usual bean poles you see playing College basketball these days, Sullinger is an absolute load inside. I don't know precisely what Sullinger weighs - most sites say he's between 260 - 280 - but I would estimate he's around 265 pounds. He has worked extremely hard on his conditioning and his body. Out of High School, he was 280 pounds and pudgy. Now he looks like he's got a solid NBA body. He might be able to turn another 10 pounds into muscle (that's actually kinda scary), but he's come a long way towards answering the questions about his conditioning and weight.
The things that stand out to me right away are the fact that Sullinger is not an exceptional athlete and he's slightly undersized, standing somewhere around 6-8 or 6-9. He's not as quick or explosive as compared to some of the athletic Power Forwards in the NBA. But what he lacks in athleticism, he more than makes up for with his pure raw power and his sublime skillset.
Sullinger is a physical player, putting his strength, and his wide body to good use on the Basketball court. He's mostly a below the rim type player. Like Enes Kanter, Sullinger is an old time throwback post player with strength, power and legitimate low post moves. His most valuable asset is .... well.... his rear end. Or more accurately, his incredibly strong legs, hips and torso and his immense bulk. Once he establishes good post position, with his low center of gravity and lower body strength, no one will be able to move him out. Once he's in the post, he has a ton of options - - but he almost always starts looking for an even easier shot - backing his man down.... He rarely just shoots the ball when he catches it; preferring to root, grind and bang his way closer to the basket. After all, a baby hook is easier than a jump shot, and a lay up is even easier than a baby hook.
One area where Jared Sullinger does show off a bit of athleticism is in transition. As big as he is, he runs the floor extremely well. He surprised me on a couple of occasions on the break with his ability to soar in for a powerful dunk. He may just be one of those players that needs a bit of a running start to get into the air - like the old Superman TV Show where Superman is played by George Reeves. He shows this (jumping, soaring) ability on occasion on the break as well on plays where he has time to take a couple steps - alley oops, drive-and-dish, etc. So to say he plays below the rim is only partially correct.
Sullinger has been an incredibly efficient and consistent scorer so far in College (63% TSP) where it's not easy to play inside. It speaks volumes that Sullinger is so proficient a low post scorer in College, where teams pack into the lane, and are still able to recover to the shorter College 3-point line. I've been especially impressed by the fact that he seems to bring his "A" game against ranked opponents. Against Florida he had 26 points and 10 rebounds; at Indiana he had 19 and 9; and he absolutely destroyed Illinois with 27 points and 19 rebounds.
Frequently, Sullinger is battling a crowd inside, and he still manages to over power 2 or 3 guys at a time. The physicality he learned banging with his older brothers is probably helping him now.
He's got a very polished back-to-the-basket post game. He's skilled with all the usual post moves (drop steps, double pivots, spins, etc...) and can go equally well from the left post or right. He's got a very nice jump-hook shot as well as a nice turn around jumper. He is adept at finishing with either hand, which makes defending him even more difficult. Unlike a lot of other young players, Sullinger can still score if the defender takes away his first move - he has a number of counter-moves and almost always gets his shot off. It helps that he has incredible foot work and excellent body control. He uses his body to create space and angles to get his shot off.
Lately teams have resorted to double teaming him - really out of necessity, because he's unstoppable one-on-one in the post. When the double team comes, Sullinger has been able to either quickly move away from the double team and score anyway - or pass out to an open teammate. There's a reason there are four Buckeyes hitting over 40% from the 3-point line; and the biggest part of it has to do with the fact that Sullinger draws so much attention in the post. Sullinger averages about 2 assists per game, but if they gave out Hockey type assists he would triple that.
Another big aspect to Sullinger's game is the fact that he draws a ton of fouls. He is so strong and physical that he frequently finishes even through the heaviest contact. I've seen him power up to score with a guy draped on his back. He single handedly gets entire front lines in foul trouble. He gets to the line at an incredible 9.5 times per 40 (pace adjusted). Once at the line, Sullinger is a very good Free Throw shooter (72%). He has excellent mechanics, with a nice soft touch. Although I don't think I've ever seen Sullinger take a jump shot from more than about 8 feet - it's reasonable to assume, based on his excellent Free Throw mechanics, that he could one day develop a very nice mid-range game; and possible pick-and-pop capabilities.
Speaking of pick-and-pop, although Ohio State doesn't run much pick-and-roll action, Sullinger does set nice solid screens. Again, getting back to the fact his father is a coach, Sulinger seems to do everything fundamentally sound. Given the fact that he has incredible hands, it's safe to assume that he could be a very good pick-and-roll player with the right kind of point guard. Playing with a Steve Nash or Chris Paul or Deron Williams type Point (ie: a great P-n-R PG) would really increase Sullinger's value to an NBA team.
On the defensive end, Sullinger holds his position in the post very well. The same skills and attributes that help him on offense, help on defense when he's defending one-on-one in the post. He's almost impossible to back down. He's got great footwork and a good solid defensive stance. Although he doesn't block a lot of shots (0.7 per 40 PA), he's able to bother and contest shots in the post. Unfortunately there are not a lot of low post Power Forwards in the NBA - and most of the time, Sullinger will be asked to defend more athletic, perimeter oriented big men. With his lack of lateral quickness, he may struggle. He has certainly looked uncomfortable whenever he's been asked to defend on the perimeter in College. He can be beat off the dribble, so as a result he gives too big a cushion. It hasn't hurt him in College, where big men rarely have a polished perimeter game - but it will be a big liability in the NBA.
Sullinger is a very good rebounder, averaging over 13 per 40 minutes (pace adjusted).. and especially good on the defensive glass. It's obvious that he was taught the fundamentals well. He actually boxes out and uses two hands. He doesn't rebound well out of his immediate area, but he seems to have that natural ability that all good rebounders have to predict where the ball will come off the rim. He gets great position, gets his already wide body even wider and grabs the ball with both hands. As strong as he is, it's extremely rare that anyone is able to take a rebound away from him. Combine those great hands with terrific positioning, strength, anticipation and timing, and you get an excellent rebounder.
Being around basketball his whole life, Jared Sullinger seems to have a great feel for the game. He has the court awareness and Basketball IQ of a coaches son. He's got a terrific attitude and seems to genuinely love playing basketball. I frequently see him pumping up his teammates, talking on the court and in the huddles - and I imagine he's a natural leader in that respect. His intangibles, always tough to measure from afar, seem to be off the charts. His focus and intensity level remain high throughout the game. The weight he's lost from his Senior year in High School talk to his work ethic. The way he plays on the court, always knowing where he is, where his teammates are, the fundamentals he displays - also speak volumes about his Basketball IQ.
I've talked about some of the negatives. He's undersized for an NBA PF - and as a result he gets his shot blocked fairly regularly. That will only get worse in the NBA where he will be playing against bigger, taller more athletic players. As smart a player as he is, he may be able to partially mitigate his defensive liabilities with good positioning and awareness; but it is still a major concern.
Body wise, he reminds me of Kevin Seraphin - except Sullinger has a much more polished offensive post game. Sullinger has a lot of Elton Brand in his offensive game, and he should be ready to step right in and immediately contribute post scoring and rebounding for any team that drafts him.
Rook's Mock Draft
1. Terrence Jones
2. Perry Jones
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Enes Kanter
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Harrison Barnes
7. Kemba Walker
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Donatas Motiejunas
10. John Henson
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Possibly the next Dejuan Blair...but I think our first options should be Perry and Terrence Jones...or Kanter.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
well, Sullinger has ACLs, so I think his future is better than Dajuan Blair
by John Park Williams on Jan 26, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Has Dejuan Blair's ACL even shown to be a set-back in his production this year??
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
I love this guy. I dont watch college basketball, so my knowledge is limited
but he seems like the real deal to me. whereas the other guys are limited by skill, desire, and intelligence, Sullinger is limited only by physical traits (which are important, don’t get me wrong, but when you are the top dawg at every level of your life, you tend to figure out a way to make due.
Dream Case: Charles Barkley
Hopeful Case: Elton Brand
Possible Case: Corliss Williamson
Worst Case: Robert ‘Tractor’ Traylor
by John Park Williams on Jan 26, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions
Heh
I had a teacher named satch…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 27, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Derrick Williams Arizona
I’m tellin you check this kid out
lets just get that next young, elite player to pair with Wall...
just study the Kings, because they are one year ahead of us in trying to develop a similar team…
kings clippers okc
pick one, any one, if you don’t have the right mentors, personnel, to go with the players, it makes a difference.
Eric Gordon mentioned it not too long ago. His ride with team USA showed that everything in an organization must be first class, not just the players, to have that “swagger”. Front office, towel boy, public relations, name part of an org, and all of it has to be first class.
Sullinger is tantalizing
I just get the feeling that Sullinger will make the teams who passed over him pay for it. Imagine how foolish it would look if Enes Kanter doesn’t play well. Passing over the best college player for an international player who sat out for an entire season just seems like a bad idea. He’s a beastly rebounder, and rebounding is very consistent from college to the pros (at least compared to other stats). If we have the fifth pick and Kanter and Sullinger are both available, it will be a real tough decision.
Completely agree
I don’t know much about Kanter but I’ve watched Sullinger 3 or 4 times and I’m not sure we can pass up on this kid. He is exactly the type of player we need. People knock him for his athleticism but he has good lift for his body type and can get up and throw it down with power. We have a very athletic center and JaVale needs a player like Sullinger down low do to the dirty work. The strength and skill I believe make up for the inch or 2 he gives up. He’s got such good footwork and basketball IQ. He scores with his back to the basketball which is also something we need very badly. Its hard to find a weakness in his game.. got a nice touch too. Saw him hit a couple 3’s last night
A couple of nuggets of information to chew on...
1. Kanter is every bit the rebounder that Sullinger is…. and he did it against MEN in Europe. He’s bigger (6’11") and just as strong and physical.
2. Kanter absolutely destroyed Sullinger in the Nike Hoop summit… I know it’s only one game – and Sullinger has steadily improved this year – but the devastation was so complete that everyone came out of that game proclaiming Kanter as a top 5 pick… and based on that one dominating performance, Kanter is still in the top 5 – even though he has not played one minute of College ball this year.
I agree that if both are available, it would be a tough decision…. Especially considering the fact that Sullinger has been so effective this year – - – - but my personal preference is to take players with good size for their position… and Sullinger at 6’8" – or 6’9" is slightly undersized – while Kanter, at 6’11" has good size for either Center or PF. But that’s just me.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
One thing about that game
Kanter looks so unathletic. The guy has no vertical. He can barely dunk when he’s standing right under the hoop
I don't like the thought of Kanter.
Ideally, he is what we need. But how many international big guys with not a lot of skill or athleticism, succeed in the NBA? Darko anybody? The most similar success story I can think of is Marc Gasol, or… well Marc Gasol.
In theory, I do like Kanter. But I am just trying to look a head a year or two from now, and I don’t see him working out.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 26, 2011 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I also dont get why folks thinks he solves anything
Kanter isn’t far off from guys like McGee or Blatche in that he in no way looks like a banger inside. I think it would be redundant drafting the guy. Wiz have committed to Dray already and I think should keep McGee. Add in Booker and Seraphin and I just don’t see it.
A wing player would be nice or if a trade is made, Sullinger wouldn’t be bad.
he in no way looks like a banger inside.
Sorry – but that is just flat incorrect. Kanter is all about physical inside play – that’s his entire offensive and defensive game. He puts his 270 pound body on you and tries to dominate you physically. He is the anti-Blatche….
Sure, he’s got lots of skill… but unlike Blatche, Kanter has “Big Man” skills. Post skills. Great footwork. Actual post moves like double pivots and such. He initiates contact inside. He likes contact inside.
Saying you don’t like Kanter but do like Sullinger makes no sense… they are the same player at different heights. Both love contact inside. Both are impossible to move out of the post once they establish position. Both are incredibly strong. Both are excellent on the defensive glass.
It’s probable you haven’t seen enough of Kanter to make an informed decision – but I’ve watched three of his euro Games and watched the Nike game – and he’s a beast inside. I’ll say the exact same thing about Sullinger… I’ve watched three of his games… and he’s also a beast inside.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Sorry, highlights are misleading
Thanks for correcting me. On another note, this is one of the trickiest drafts in a while. Guys have serious breakout potential. If possible, can you create a post about these guys (T. Jones, P. Jones, Sullinger, Kanter and Barnes) in particular and the pros and cons of how they relate to the Wiz squad and who’d be the best fit.
I’d do it but I’ve yet to see any of them play. I need to start getting my NCAA on for draft purposes.
I was thinking of doing a mock draft...
by team – and projecting which teams might select which players – and how those players would fit in with that team’s offensive and defensive philosophies.
For instance – if Cleveland gets the #1 pick, I think they would select Perry Jones. That team was built around LeBron James… and Perry Jones has a lot of the same qualities. He’s terrific with the basketball in his hands. He’s as quick and agile with the ball as a Point Guard. He can create shots for himself and his teammates. At 6’10", he can see over the defense and he loves to go to the rack.
With Cleveland’s bevy of catch-and-shoot guys – Perry Jones could become their Point Forward… and a corner piece for their rebuild.
Plus – if anyone in this draft has Star potential – and I mean Super Star potential – it’s Perry Jones… His stats are deflated in the College game, where teams pack 5 guys inside the paint . and zone all night long. With the added spacing allowed in the NBA game, Perry Jones should shine.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I meant that
But for the Wiz. How each of those 5 guys I mentioned would fit with the squad and who would be best. Personally, I think Harrison Barnes has the most potential of all those guys. Don’t want T. Jones…
agree on T. Jones
But Harrison might want to stay one more year IMO.. that kid hasn’t shown enough this year
Just thought of the fact that Cleveland could go with the hometown kid
Be crazy to pass up on Jones but as a franchise in distraught they could take Sullinger for a feel good story. Especially if Sullinger’s keeps improving and stock gets even highers… I guess they would probably move hickson too then
"Hometown" in the sense that Melo's hometown is DC
Cleveland and Columbus are a bit of a drive apart.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
"homestate kid" if that works...
just a possibility thrown out there that i’m sure will get a little discussion in the future
just a quick retort
not a lot of skill
Look – I love Jared Sullinger – and if he were 6’10" or 6’11" – I’d be screaming for the Wizards to draft him….
But Kanter IS 6’11" – and is essentially Sullinger in a taller body. I can agree with your “non-athletic” statement… but I have to strongly disagree on the “not a lot of skill” thing. He is quite probably the
most skilled big manin the draft. (and if he’s not, it’s because of Sullinger – but there’s no one else in the draft even close). He could be the most skilled Center to come out since Kevin Love and Brook Lopez came out in 2008.
There are legitimate criticisms for Kanter – he’s not especially quick. Perimeter Centers will give him trouble defensively. He won’t wow you with his jumping ability. But lacking skills is not a valid one.
The thought of the Wizards picking up either one of these guys makes me salivate. Both Kanter and Sullinger can pound the ball inside – and bring something to the Wizards they haven’t had in a long, long time… Consistent inside scoring.
In addition, both are excellent defensive rebounders…. With the Wizards slowly but surely becoming a better defensive team; rebounding, especially defensive rebounding becomes key. Key to stopping the other team’s possessions. Key to starting the break. Key to getting easy baskets. It won’t matter that JaVale leaks out on the break if Kanter or Sullinger is there to clean the glass and outlet the ball to Wall.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I agree completely
The main thing the Wiz need is a presence inside, whether it be defensive or offensive. Either will do. I see lost post scoring as a bigger need because the squad relies too much off jumpers and doesn’t even have the personnel to do so. But with Kanter, what happens with McGee?
Why would McGee be lost if Kanter is drafted?
Why can’t we have a 6’11" low post player, and a 7’1" high flier on the court at the same time… It’s not like Kanter is going to interfere with JaVale’s post up game…. since it’s non-existent. And it’s not like Kanter is going to steal a lot of blocked shots from JaVale.
If anything, having a low post scorer like Kanter (or Sullinger) complements JaVale’s game…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I think you misunderstood
JaVale is here to stay, I was thinking where would he be on both sides of the floor. I see him sliding out of the post on offense to around the elbow and on defense he plays Center with Kanter, or PF, being more athletic and less powerful?
You do have me really interested in getting the chance to actually watch Kanter
I can’t say that i’m against Kanter, just haven’t seen him but i’m gonna have to see alot because from watching Sullinger it just looks like the right fit. If Kanter is the banger that you say that will be pretty impressive.
Is there an NBA comparsion to him? When I look at Sullinger I kind of see a Carlos Boozer type. But then when watching him It looks like he moves better and is a better passer. KInd of has a better all around game which makes believe this kid could be special..
It also seems like you are looking more for a F/C for the team
I’m more towards a prototype post up Power Forward. So the fact that Sullinger is 6’9" 280 with a 7’1" wing span doesn’t bother me as much
So the fact that Sullinger is 6’9" 280 with a 7’1" wing span doesn’t bother me as much
But what happens when he measures out in the pre-draft measurements as 6’7" or 6’8"..? I look at the guy, and he just doesn’t look 6’9" to me.
It’s one thing if you’re Elton Brand and you measure out at 6’ 8.25" (6’9" with shoes) and you have a 7’6" wingspan…. but at 6’8" and playing Power Forward in the NBA, Sullinger is going to get his shot blocked a lot. He already gets his shot blocked a lot in College, playing against less athletic, smaller players than in the NBA.
But truthfully, I’m not really worried about Sullinger’s offense… I think he’ll be able to score in the post in the NBA… It’s on defense where I have serious concerns. At 6’8" and not very athletic – trying to guard Josh Smith, Kevin Garnett or Chris Bosh. But unlike Kanter, who at 6’11" can defend a Kendrick Perkins at Center or a Carlos Boozer at Power Forward (Leaving KG or Noah to JaVale McGee) – Sullinger is too short to switch to Center, where his lack of quickness and athleticism would be less problematic.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'm not big on whether this kid is giving up an inch or two
Every recent profile i’ve saw said he’s 6’9" 280 (although he’s trimmed down, added muscle. Which showed his dedication to his body) with a 7’1" wing span. That does not sound like a problem to me at the PF position. We dont know who can guard who in the NBA right now and even when they are in the league its going to take a couple years for these kids to adapt. What I see when I watch is Sullinger does work hard on defense, his great footwork helps and he uses his wide/strong body frame.. a wide body helps create space and makes up for height. thats the type of player we struggle against right now
I just think Sullinger will have the same kind of game as Carlos Boozer…. Boozer is a load inside.. and is a consistent post scoring threat – but has trouble guarding the new breed of NBA Power Forward (KG, Bosh, LaMarcus Aldridge, Josh Smith, etc…).
Sullinger, like Boozer, will have trouble guarding perimeter oriented bigs – guys that can put the ball on the floor (Blatche) and shoot from 18 feet (KG, Bosh)… He’ll have trouble with defending the Pick-and-Roll because he’s just not quick enough to properly hedge on the pick, and get back to his man.
Sullinger is very good one-on-one in the post. He can defend when his man is posting up. He uses his body well. He has a good stance. He can’t be backed down, and he challenges shots…. But how many post up Power Forwards are there in the League (besides Boozer)?
Sullinger’s physical nature and his post defense would be perfect against most Centers in the League – but unfortunately, he’s only 6’8" – and Wizards fans have seen what happens when we play an undersized PF at Center (Darius Songaila anyone?).
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Again
I’m not saying I don’t like Sullinger… I think he’d be great next to JaVale McGee on Offense… and certainly the Wizards could use some post scoring, especially late in games when the offense bogs down – - – but we have to remember, there are two sides of the basketball court.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I’m also not as worried about those hybrid athletic forwards… we have those. we need some one to be physical and throw their body around in the paint. we struggle against the stronger big men so thats what we should focus on. There is a change in style of big men now but at the same time all the great teams have bangers and are very physical down low
This is also my big concern
It seems like the mismatch between his size and his skill set could make him really struggle on defense. Kanter’s size would ideally allow him to maximize the benefit of his strength down low on both ends of the court.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
Fear in the unknown.
The only hype I have read or seen about him is here on BF. I don’t know squat about him so I guess that makes me like Sullinger better.
And the part about Javale, I have thought about this a ton. Kanter or Sullinger and Javale would make each other sooooo much better. Javale can and probably prefers guarding the perimeter big man. And Javale’s help D makes up for their slow feet as well. These things make me really hope we end up with this kind of player.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 27, 2011 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
fair to say that Kanter is an unknown....
and certainly, Sullinger has put up terrific numbers in College… and he has skills that should translate well to the NBA – at least offensively.
But I also think it’s fair to point out that the one time these players met – Kanter destroyed Sullinger. Punished him on the offensive end…Blocked Sullinger’s shot twice on defense… Grabbed every contested rebound… and even showed off a nice mid-range jumper.
Even though the Nike game was his U.S. debut – it’s not like this kid came out of nowhere. He’s been playing in some of the toughest leagues in Europe. Dominating the Under 18 European Championships at age 15. He was playing in Euroleague games at 16 years old.
So, while Sullinger continues to move up the draft ladder by dominating College players week after week – and Kanter sits in a classroom at Kentucky – banned by the NCAA – let’s not make the mistake to overlook his prior accomplishments.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Euro League is comparable to the college level with played by men in stead of boys.
There is a big difference in being 16 and playing highschool ball or playing in the Euro League. I think, if Kanter had been ruled eligeble to play college ball this yr he would have had a serious change to go #1.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 27, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
*sorry scratch out 'with'
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 27, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
Kanter and Sullinger
are both the same player, at least offensively. Neither will wow you with their athleticism… but both will occasionally surprise you with their ability to get up and down the floor – or finish in transition. You won’t see either one dunking a lot in the post… they simply don’t have that kind of jumping ability – that JaVale McGee kind of jumping ability… They need a few steps to get into the air. Kanter shows a bit better jump shot than Sullinger – or rather, he shoots it more. For all I know, Sullinger is a great shooter – I’ve just never seen him shoot any jumpers farther than about 6-8 feet. Both are excellent free throw shooters with good form..
Both players are incredibly agile in the post… have great footwork… display multiple advanced post moves and counters and take up a huge amount of space inside. Both are excellent rebounders, especially on the defensive glass.
Defensively, I give the nod to Kanter simply because a 6’11" Center doesn’t need to be incredibly quick laterally and there are many fewer perimeter oriented Centers in the NBA – but a 6’9" Power Forward DOES have to worry about guarding the perimeter… and Sullinger will struggle with that. Kanter is very good at hedging on the pick-and-roll , and is a good help defender, even if he doesn’t block a lot of shots.
So other than Sullinger’s defensive limitations – and the fact that Kanter is taller – either one would be a good fit with the Wizards with McGee.
Sullinger’s defensive limitations could be somewhat mitigated with McGee lurking to block shots…
and Kanter could move McGee to the PF position, where his offensive game seems more fitting. (Or, you could mix up Center/PF between Kanter and McGee depending on match ups – playing Kanter at Center (against Perkins) and McGee at PF (against Garnett) when playing Boston….. but playing Kanter at PF (against Boozer) and McGee at Center (against Joakim Noah) when playing Chicago….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
The only risk with Kanter
to me will be his shooting. I’m pretty confident that he’ll be a good rebounder and a solid defender, but there’s a chance that he won’t be able to score well at all in the nba. You know more abou this than I do though, Rook, so correct me if I’m wrong.
Sullinger's jumpshot
will be limited by his length. If KG, Bosh, etc. are guarding him, he won’t have enough athleticism to evade them and won’t be able to get up shots over their length.
I like that Kanter is the type of big that keeps the ball high. He has a high release point on his jumper and he keep his hands in the air when going for a rebound to use his size as an advantage.
He’s not very athletic, but what he does have is very deceptive. His game provides the perfect pick and roll/pop partner for Wall to me. That also gives a lot of opportunity for McGee on the backside of the lane to cut for dunks and oops, but also be in position to watch the play and make moves to follow up with offensive rebounds.
I really think Kanter would be the perfect primary scorer for us in the halfcourt set with the pick and roll/pop game and being able to work the block in iso with Wall penetrating and distributing, Nick Young running off screens looking for opportunities, JaVale on the backside, and hopefully we can get another wing with a well-rounded game. With Wall’s ability to push the fast break and Kanter as the foundation for our half-court set, we could be a dynamic offensive team.
Hard to say who will be the better player but I just like the him for our needs
We have size and length but lack strength in the post. From watching games of Sullinger I just love his courst sense, the guy has an amazing basketball IQ. Havent heard before that Kanter is as strong and physical so that sounds alright but its hard to go on the fact that he’s played pros in Europe. With him sitting out a year and having that international background its hard for me to see he has the court awareness and physicality that Sullinger does
He's staying for another year.
He said in an interview last week that he has always planned to stay for two years. Next in line….Kantner.
This would be a good decision by Sullinger and Ohio State if he stays for two years (or more)
1. Ohio State won’t lose another scholarship at least in the short term
2. Sullinger continues to develop under Matta (look at Kentucky last year, they didn’t win it)
3. Lockout fears could deter him. If this happens, and Jared goes pro this spring, he will likely get a deal to play in Turkey, China or Korea or someplace to get some exercise, but the money will likely not be as good, and we don’t see many college players leaving early to go pro in Europe/Asia as it is right now.
link please
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'm skeptical
couldn’t find any evidence of it on the interwebs. On a related note, is there going to be a draft if there is a lockout? I remember reading somewhere that there wouldn’t be…
Yeah
I cannot believe any player projected to be picked in the top 10 would play another year of College ball and the subsequent risk of injury or (heaven forbid) have a poor year…… Even with the looming lock – out.
I could understand it if an underclassman were to not declare this year if they were projected in the mid-first or late first round… but not a Lottery pick.
I mean, look what happened to Roy Hibbert… He was a top 5 projected pick in 2007 but decided to go back to Georgetown for another year.. He had a fine year, but didn’t put up major increases in his scoring or rebounding and fell to #16 in the 2008 draft…. Scouts picked apart his game all year – and it cost him tens of millions of dollars.
If Sullinger is projected to go in the top 5 (if he continues to put up efficient numbers all year- he WILL be a top 5 pick) – he’d be foolish to stay in school.
So count me as skeptical too….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'm skeptical that Jared would say that he'll play for two years
because that’s not doing Ohio State justice. The colleges would like to see these guys graduate. I’m thinking that it’s “sources” around him saying that.
I can see a projected Top 5 pick for 2011 staying in school because of the lockout to stay in familiar territory (not go to Europe/Asia during the lockout) and to continue to develop his game and get an education (some players actually do value that). But if money were clearly an issue, Sullinger, Kanter and other Top 5 2011 Draft picks should find a decent contract abroad, but living overseas is not easy for them.
I also heard this during an OSU game but couldnt find a link.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 26, 2011 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be almost certain it was an announcer or color guy
for OSU commenting on Jared’s potential status for next year – not actually an interview with Sullinger himself…. It would be foolish for him to say ANYTHING at this juncture about next year – one way or the other.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Sullinger
Is way too much of a liability on defense in my opinion to take a shot on him with a lottery pick.
Anyone who watched the OSU-Purdue game saw that whenever Sullinger was matched up with JaJuan Johnson of Purdue, Sullinger got exposed.
Im not saying Sullinger will not be a good NBA player, I think he will be. But he will not be able to defend the prototypical NBA power forwards who can stretch the floor and handle the ball on the perimeter.
Sullinger is a great college player, but hes a stronger, more polished offensively, less athletic Trevor Booker.
Isn't Kanter staying another year?
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Good write up, but I'm not sold on him at all
He doesn’t seem athletic at all, as evidenced by his block, steal, and rebounding numbers. The Elton Brand comparison seems valid as far as playing style, but Brand actually was pretty athletic and averaged over 2 blocks and a steal per game his last year. The 10 rebounds would be good if he was in the NBA, but for a college player, that’s pretty average – basically, that’s about what Trevor Booker averaged and he’s been a below average rebounder.
As far as his offensive game, I like it in theory, but I don’t know how someone who’s not jump out of the gym athletic and is undersized will be able to score in the NBA. My guess is that he comes in and scores at a reasonable but not above average rate and gets his shot blocked a lot, sort of like Tyler Hansborough.
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He is basically Seraphin to me
if we cant get Jones or Kanter i would take Barnes and see what we have in Seraphin and Booker for another year.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 27, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
You might not be writing this column at all...
if we had drafted Blair at 37 two years ago… I still think about this and I am sure many others on this site do also.
I looks at Pop’s work in SA and marvel about the players he steals and stashes away… Parker, Hill, Blair, Neal, Ginobili, Bonner… who fit precise roles alongside Duncan… who is the only original Blue Chipper of the lot. Lord, Tiago Splitter cannot get into a game on this team… He could well be starting on the Wizards, or at least be the first big off the bench.
Dude
Ix-nay on the ejuanBlair-Day. You sure don’t need to convince Rook, and he was just getting his Blair-rages under control…
[cue the dead horse graphic, someone???]
This may only make it worse...
but imagine if we had blair. That’s a franchise point guard and a franchise frontcourt in blair and Mcgee. We’d be winning 50 games in 3 years with solid drafts. Crap
top 10 pick
in this draft could be solid…after that its not too promising. I like Sullinger, but prefer Barnes, T. and P. Jones first and I really like Donatas and Jordan Williams.
Not sure why people are still high on Barnes at this point
still watching highlight tapes?? the ACC is weak and the kids not getting it done . He needs to stay another year.. if he’s thinking about his game and not other areas
as long as he is lottery projected he will go anyway
He would be stupid not to.
Its likely we get to pick between 5-14. By then the top picks will be off the board obviously, so if Barnes is still there i would take him.
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 27, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
His stock is going to keep slipping
Barnes is pretty bad right now… I wouldnt want us to have him at all. He’s got good highlight tapes. Thats all you can say about him. We don’t need potential anymore.. we need some1 that can contribute and be close to complete in 2 or 3 years. He’s awful in a terrible conference right now so he looks 4-5 years away
Neither Kanter nor Sullinger
hopefully the Wiz can grab either Terrence Jones or Perry Jones…..athleticism and length could help out!

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