Wizards/Cavaliers trade
by Uchenna on Jan 25, 2011 12:59 PM EST
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PrintWizards send Andray Blatche, Kirk Hinrich, and Al Thornton to Cavaliers for J.J. Hickson, Mo Williams, Christian Eyenga and Anthony Parker.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4vrfzzv
Mo would be a great backup to Wall, JJ Hickson could bring a better promise at the 4.
Lineup- John Wall, Nick Young, Rashard Lewis, J.J. Hickson and Javale McGee.
Bench- Mo Williams, Christian Eyenga, Josh Howard, Yi Jianlian, and Hilton Armstrong
Anthony Parker's expiring contract could allow us to sign Carl Landry in the offseason.
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I don't want Hickson
He doesn’t shoot well enough to work with McGee and he’s a pretty poor rebounder
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That's not true
He’s rebounded excellently this season, and he’s a hell of a lot better than Blatche. He’s shooting an atypically low percentage because he’s being treated as a major scoring option for the Cavs. When he works in the flow of the offense he’s a very solid player. Maybe not a starter, but better than blatche
by zl on Jan 25, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hickson's defensive rebound rate is only 23.7 (26th in the League)
To make up for JaVale McGee’s poor defensive rebounding (21.0%, 49th in the League) , you need someone in the high 20’s – preferably someone in the low 30’s…..
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
good isn't good enough when you have a poor rebounder at Center....
Unless JaVale gets MUCH better -and I don’t see that… the Wiz need an elite rebounder to play next to him (or Blatche).
Love next to JaVale would work… Even a guy like Zach Randolph or Reggie Evans …
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
id gladly take Hikson for the $hit were giving up in this made-up trade
MEMO to Uchnna: LebronJamesPosse no longer runs the Cavaliers. They are done making ridiculously short-sided moves
by John Park Williams on Jan 26, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
in Knick's game Javale led both teams for defensive boards
and we werent even close to winning. Against Denver, Mcgee had 7 def boards in 24mins, while Blatche chipped in with another 7…we were blown out. Kevin Love leads for def boards in every game he plays in and they ALWAYS lose. Last night was a great example of Love having one of his ‘monster’ games in yet another loss. Perhaps there is more to it than rebounding rates…
good point
i started watching a lot of t-wolves games earlier in the year after kevin love put up 30-30.
he puts up great numbers, but seems to have no impact on the game. for a big man to average 21 and 15, and the team be this bad, there is something inefficient going on. i just dont know what it is.
by John Park Williams on Jan 27, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Love is a souped up AJ or Troy Murphy, not a KG
or Hakeem (last player before Love to have three 30/20 in a season).
At the end of the day he is a jump shooting big man who cant guard anyone. Doesnt mean he isnt good or borderline great….but that style of play won’t win championships.
Love is one of the top 5 players in the NBA
There just isn’t a single good player on that roster other than him.
by zl on Jan 28, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
No he isn't
-Kobe
-Wade
-’Melo
-Durant
-Amare(has a WAY bigger impact on his team, trade them straight up, Knicks are in the lottery by the end of the year)
-Dwight Howard
To name a few that are better than him. Kevin Love is really good. But I can see where the argument comes from, that he is not a superstar. He won’t lead his team to championships, even after his Minnesota days. Not to say he will never win a championship, but he can’t be seen as a first option. He plays crappy D. I don’t consider the guy a “post-presence.”
I am not trying to argue that he is really good, but you trade him for Amare and the Wolves get better and the Knicks get worse, this season.
Love may be top 5 in a “trade value” list, because he is young, not getting paid yet, and he brings things to a team that not many players do. But he is not a top-5 NBA player.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 28, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lebron,
Chris Paul, Derron Williams, Derrick Rose, Pau Gasol, Garnett, Dirk
quickly out of the top 10
I was just trying to keep it undebateable. I agree with most of those too.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 28, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ohh yeah and I just really hate Lebron.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 28, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree about Amare
If you replace Amare with Love the Knicks become a remarkably better team. Amare is having one of the most overrated seasons of any player in the league. He’s a very poor rebounder for a center (the position the knicks mostly play him at), and he’s having one of the least efficient seasons in terms of shooting from the field in his career. The only increase in his stats? Scoring. 26 ppg as opposed to 23 last year. Boy, those 3 extra points really transform him into an MVP! Landry Fields is the real reason the Knicks are winning. Without him they’d be a colossal dissapointment. Here would be my rankings of the top 10 players in the NBA right now:
1. CP3
2. Lebron
3. Dwight Howard
4. Kevin Love
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Steve Nash
7. Rajon Rondo
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Al Horford
10. Derrick Rose
by zl on Jan 28, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dude?!
Rose not in your top 10? Wade behind Rondo? Horford but no Dirk? No Williams? Garnett/Love but no Amare? Nash over Durant?
NO JOHN WALL??!!?!?!
"If you don't shoot, you can't score"
Johan Cruijff
" My psychiatrist just doesn't know what I go through. He is a Lakers fan" Hambonejackson
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 28, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Horford is better than Durant?
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 28, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Garnett is averaging 15 and 9
but you think Amare’s 26 and 9 just makes him a worse player than Garnett?!
And lets say you excluded Kobe because he has a lot of miles on him b/c he came out of high school and has shown some injury setbacks. Then how the hell is Garnet on this list to begin with???
WOW I am really, thoroughly confused. And sure I have overlooked many good criticisms in my confusion.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 29, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
per36 Garnett is better
Here are their stat lines
Garnett: 17.3 pts, 57.7% TS, 10.3 rebs, 2.6 ast, 1.9 stl, 0.8 blk, 1.7 to
Amare : 25.2 pts, 56.4% TS, 8.7 rebs, 2.7 ast, 1.0 stl, 2.2 blk, 3.4 to
Amare’s scoring increased because he’s getting more touches, but his efficiency decreased. That’s because of Steve Nash. He’s actually only averaging one more point per36, so I don’t really understand the MVP consideration when he’s having a worse season than he did last year. I understand that it’s a very controversial list and goes against what most people think, but I wholeheartedly stand by it. I will logically defend any argument anyone has with it.
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
This is not logical
Amare scores 8 more points than a guy who’s starting PG is #7 on your best players in the world list. So we have to attribute Garnett’s efficiency to Rajon I guess. So we throw KG on New York with a lesser PG and his stats drop even more but somehow NY is better off… I am still really confused.
Could you explain why Kobe isn’t on your list(I mean hell his PG is Derek Fisher), but KG is?
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 29, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
KG is the best power forward in recent history
I don’t like him, but he’s a beast. KG’s contributions mainly aren’t from scoring, so while Rajon certainly helps his scoring efficiency, that’s not the main reason he’s been so great this season. And don’t forget that Garnett is playing alongside two other scorers in Pierce and Allen. Were he on the Knicks his scoring would be much higher. Kobe is an excellent player, but Dwyane Wade is better them him at this point, and D-Wade is the only SG on the list.
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
KG's past says best PF in recent history.
Today, I am pretty confident that he doesn’t belong on this list. His body wouldn’t allow himto even play enough to help a team like NY. And I am pretty sure that playing with Ray Allen and even Pierce doesn’t hurt his scoring, because they open it up a ton for him.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
You may have persuaded me with KG
I still think he’s better than Amare, but I might push him off the list and move everyone behind him up (putting Rose at 10).
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I’d like to push KG off the list anway because he’s such an asshole. He kind of backhand slapped Channing Frye in the nuts tonight while he was taking a three. That’s just inexcusable
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
if we're just considering this season...
rose should be #1… I mean why else is he such a strong mvp candidate
by Young Wook Lee on Feb 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
So Amare leaves the zl-acclaimed 6th best player, and probably the best distributor, in the world
and then you want to sell his ppg increase short.
And Amare is grabbing 9 reb a game. I am not going to pretend like I know his game all that well but I will take that from a C that does many other things well.
Btw that list is just kind of crazy.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 28, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I'm sorry you don't like it
I’m not trying to force it down anyone’s throat..it’s my opinion. I feel like this could turn angry and venomous quickly, and I don’t really want that. I’m not mad at you for disagreeing with me, but I still disagree.
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah thats why I apologized in the other thread
I realize I could walk away(or just scroll down) instead of reading something that may piss me off for no apparent reason.
And was beginning to think we were getting towards just agreeing to disagree.
My bad, again, wasn’t trying to get nasty.
I am going to keep cheering Gil, like it is 2005. Lets see some of that swag return, because that is why we loved you to begin with.
by returnofswagger on Jan 29, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
no problem
most people would have a similar reaction
by zl on Jan 29, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
Why trade Hinrich?
I love his game and he is best point guard we had in a while. He is trying to make John Wall the Rookie of the Year. Instead of getting Hickson get Jamison back. I bet you it would be a better addition. Just trade him for Blatche and it will work because we have enough space in the salary cap.
Don't see any point in trading Hinrich this season either
Mo Williams is a solid player in this league, but he is a starting caliber player as well, as is Hinrich. I don’t think the Cavs are as bad as their record really, but the situation with the firing of their head coach, the departure of their GM, plus the Decision has to be quite a demoralizing experience for the holdovers, and breaking up the core would be a good thing to allow those players (Tawn, Mo, Wild Man) to prosper with another team.
Because he is not going to be here in 3 years
and he is a valuable trading chip. We would be better off with a late 1st than Hinrich next year
I personally do not like the idea of trading with a team that is doing worse than us....
Kind of defeats the purpose…
its a nice fake trade but it would never happen
Hickson seems to be a central figure to the Cavs long term plans, and Ernie has Dray in our long term plans (for whatever reason); also I don’t think Mo Williams is a better backup option than Kirk, so I would rather keep him than trade him
I'll pass
JJ Hickson isn’t as good as perceived (below average rebounder, poor FT shooter with a horrible FG % as a PF). And Mo Williams? Have you seen him play this year? Yikes!!!
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