Competition Discussion: Boston Celtics
The season is still not here, but most of the rosters are set, barring the requisite Michael Jordan comeback rumor (just kidding, but only a little). We have an idea where our team stands, but we can't really know unless we discuss everyone else. In that spirit, we're going to throw up a "competition discussion" thread for each of the other 29 teams over the next couple months or so. We'll go in alphabetical order from A to Z. Today's team: Boston. Jump to the comments to discuss the Celtics and make a prediction on their record.
Previously: Atlanta.
Last year's record: 50-32 (Pythagorean record: 52-30)
Playoffs: Defeated Miami Heat 4-1 in first round, defeated Cleveland Cavaliers 4-2 in second round, defeated Orlando Magic 4-2 in Eastern Conference Finals, lost to Los Angeles Lakers 4-3 in NBA Finals
Offensive Rating: 107.7 (15th)
Defensive Rating: 103.8 (5th)
Pace: 91.6 possessions/game (22nd)
In: Jermaine O'Neal, Shaquille O'Neal, Avery Bradley, Delonte West, Semih Erden, Luke Harangody, Von Wafer
Out: Rasheed Wallace, Tony Allen, Shelden Williams
Projected starting lineup: Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O'Neal
Five big questions:
- How much do Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett have left in the tank?
- It's been a whirlwind four months for Rajon Rondo. He's emerged as a potential superstar with great playoff performances, but then got cut from Team USA. How does he respond?
- With Kendrick Perkins sidelined for half the season, how do the minutes shake out up front? Will there be chemistry issues once Perkins comes back?
- How will Doc Rivers coach, knowing that this is probably his final season with the Celtics?
- Can Nate Robinson and Glen Davis continue to be reliable bench options after their strong postseasons?
When the Celtics decided not to trade Ray Allen at the deadline last year, they made their decision to ride out the Big 3 for as long as they possibly could. Considering that, I think they did about as well as they could for themselves this offseason. Sure, the Paul Pierce extension was for a couple too many years, and sure, Ray Allen might not be worth $10 million a season anymore. But those were moves the team had to make, and ultimately, they were right to stay the course.
Beyond that, you have to like what Danny Ainge did this summer. Jermaine O'Neal is a helpful piece for the mid-level exception, especially for just two years. He quietly had one of his strongest seasons in recent years last season (17/9 per 36 minutes, with a 17.9 PER and a 56.3% TS% along with quality defense), though he did play horribly in the playoffs. With Kendrick Perkins out until January or February with the torn ACL he suffered in Game 6 of the NBA Finals, O'Neal fills a need. You also have to like the additions of Shaquille O'Neal and Delonte West for the minimum (and in West's case, unguaranteed). Both players are risks, but at the price the Celtics got them, the reward could be outstanding. Finally, don't be surprised if you hear something from Avery Bradley (the best perimeter defender in the draft) and Semih Erden (a Turkish center impressing at the World Championships) before it's all said and done. On paper, this is the deepest the Celtics have been since 2008.
Of course, that increased depth means nothing compared to the play of the Big 3 + Rondo. Last season, it was clear Kevin Garnett had lost a full step and Pierce and Allen lost a half step each. There's enough depth behind Garnett and Allen to give them a bit more rest than in year's past, but depth behind Pierce is still shaky, especially with the loss of Tony Allen. An injury to Garnett probably won't be as devastating as it was last year, but if Pierce goes out, that remains problematic.
Then, there's Rondo, who has had an interesting summer to say the least. We may never know what happened that caused him to go from being Team USA's starter to being cut, but you can't help but ask the same questions that were asked last summer about his maturity and coachability. Rondo has clearly established himself as one of the best point guards in basketball, but the Lakers proved you can still take him out of games offensively if you are smart. The next step for Rondo is to thwart that and develop into the kind of player that can win some games for the Celtics with his scoring. The Celtics had problems scoring in the fourth quarter last year, primarily because Rondo wasn't ready to assume that kind of role. For the Celtics to match their success last season, he needs to do that.
In the end, I expect a season similar to last year. They'll look brilliant at times and terrible at others. There will be some minor injuries that seem like a bigger deal than they are. There will be some blowout losses, especially against athletic teams that have quick wings and mobile big men. There may even be similar chemistry issues, especially at center with Perkins in a contract year and the two O'Neals not used to playing fewer minutes. But once the playoffs begin, this will again be a team nobody wants to face. They're deeper, they know how to get it done, and with Doc Rivers in probably his final year on the bench, they will have that extra motivation they probably need.
Mike's prediction: 51-31, third in the Eastern Conference
BF editor predictions:
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| Atlanta | 45-37 | 44-38 | 44-38 | 46-36 | 48-34 | 43-39 |
| Boston | 51-31 | 51-31 | 48-34 | 42-40 | 50-32 | 60-22 |
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Agree with Mike on regular season
51-31 third in the East. But I project them to be in the NBA finals.
I think one of the big keys
is if Rondo can improve his jumper. Otherwise teams (especially in the playoffs) will copy the Lakers’ formula and dare him to beat them from 15-18 feet.
And of course health of the aging players (which includes just about every key player).
After the last few years, I expect the C's to hit the playoffs running
I think the success the Celtics have had in the last few postseasons really affirms the idea that playoff basketball is a different game from the regular season. Young athleticism will get you a better record- I expect the Blazers will finish with 8-12 more wins than Boston- but come playoff time, I will be reluctant to pick against the Celtics before the conference finals. Isn’t it amazing how much confidence and mental readiness can affect the performance of players who have been playing the sport or basketball for their entire lives?
by mr. 91 on Sep 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I keep waiting for the injury bug to hit this aging team....
And ( have said it for the last two years….. THIS is finally the year….
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49 wins
I have to predict less wins than last year, with their big 3 at ages 33, 34, 35 — those are major decline years, and it became Rondo’s team last year because these guys were falling off. They do still have a very deep roster though, and some of those new additions might pan out. I don’t see them beating Miami, but they definitely know how to rattle Orlando. Conference finals are possible, but I think it’s more likely that they fall in the first round.
They really need depth at small forward
I love the West and O’Neal acquisitions, Shaq’s decent for the money paid for him, but they need an athletic small forward to keep up with Lebron and Kobe. I know Ray Allen and Pierce got their props last offseason, but Tony Allen was on the only player on the Celtics who seemed to be able to guard Lebron and Kobe even remotely well. Pierce is just too old, I think.
I’m really hoping Garnett starts rebounding again, for his size, even with diminshed quickness and athleticism, he should be getting 11 or 12 per 40 every night.
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Celts Biggest offseason loss?
Tom Thibodeaux.
The C’s won’t have the same success and ability to defensively adjust and gameplan without TT.
They’ll stumble, especially in the postseason. Chicago on the other hand will be ironclad on D.
It'll be interesting to see Chicago's defense
They’ve got two starters – Boozer and Korver/Brewer – who are going to be physically incapable of really defending their position (assuming that Korver and Brewer playing shooting guard exclusively) that well, plus Rose doesn’t seem to have great lateral quickness. I can definitely see Noah doing the same things Garnett did, though, and Boozer’s at least strong enough to prevent guys from getting deep post position if he’s motivated.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Sep 8, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Brewer is a far better defender at 2-guard
than Ray Allen was before working with Tom Tippytoe.
Check his counterpoint PER at 2-guard. He’s holding shooting guards to a 12.9 PER.
Granted he gives it all back and then some playing at SF, but a defensive line with Noah, Deng, and Brewer has well more than sufficient length and athleticism to cover ground and challenge entry attack. Boozer rebounds well any misses they force. Derrick Rose is adequate.
The key is the Deng/Noah Tandem. They do need a little more beef underneath, all their back-ups at Power Four are undersized. But the versatility of Deng/Noah should allow a tactician like TomTib to design effective snares and moustraps for many opponents.
Their bench is STRONG...
They are deep at the forwards…Erden has impressed me so far in FIBA play…he has good size. Avery Bradley, Delonte, and Wafer will more than make up for the loss of Tony Allen. Delonte is a legit guy…Wafer reminds me of Nick Young, and Bradley, like you said, can really defend. Not to mention they already have Nate the Great and Big Baby off the bench. Who has a better group of centers besides the Magic? No one…I expect this team to bully the sh!t outta Miami…Shaq and Kendrick Perkins are MEAN…If Shaq is used in a “goon” role…someone is getting hurt. Watch out Chris Bosh!!!
I actually think Miami's a terrible matchup for Boston
They’re way, way too quick on the wings, and Boston’s biggest problems last year came against teams with athletes at the 2-4 positions.
Boston’s still built to beat Orlando though.
I think it depends on who Miami draws first
If they have to play a physical team like Milwaukee who might soften them up a bit, I think the physicality might be too much for Miami to overcome.
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Nah, I disagree
The bigger issue for Miami won’t be physicality, it’s that they’re going to have trouble guarding good scoring centers. Bron and Wade have the potential to shut down every wing, and of course do the heavy lifting themselves. I don’t see them having a problem with getting beat up all the time.
If Miami plays Boston, they won’t have to worry about guarding the opposing center. If they play Orlando or Milwaukee, though, the centers will have a field day.
Bron and Wade vs Pierce and Allen
that will be an interesting matchup…the older pair will obviously struggle but I dont expect them to give in without a good fight

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