20 Days, 20 Questions: Kirk Hinrich's Role
With the first day of Wizards training camp coming, Bullets Forever is asking 20 questions about key issues with the team in 2010/11.
When Kirk Hinrich was acquired this summer in the deal that brought in Kevin Seraphin, his role in the trade was clear. Chicago didn't want to get rid of Hinrich, but needed to unload his salary to make a run at this summer's free agent crop. Washington wanted to add young talent and were willing to take on that salary for the next two years in order to get another draft pick.
In the locker room, Hinrich's role is clear as well. As the team's second oldest player (behind only Josh Howard) Kirk is expected to bring a veteran presence on a team with six players under the age of 25 on the roster at the moment.
But where does he actually fit in the Wizards' plans on the floor? With John Wall and Gilbert Arenas in the fold, Hinrich is the team's third best guard by default, but his ability to play at and defend both guard positions make him an interesting player on the roster, which leads us to the next question in our series:
How and where will Kirk Hinrich play this year?
To begin, I think its important to establish that since Ernie Grunfeld came to Washington, he's always been in search of a combo guard off the bench to complement Gilbert Arenas. Juan Dixon was the first player Grunfeld pegged to fill this role, while Arenas meshed with Larry Hughes. Once that fell through, he turned his eyes and his wallet to Antonio Daniels, who only truly got to fill that role for a season and a half, due to Gilbert's injuries. Last year, Randy Foye was supposed to be that guy, but injuries, suspensions and Foye's unsteady play kept Grunfeld on the hunt for another player to fill that role. Enter Kirk Hinrich.
When he's paired with John Wall, he spaces the floor for Wall's drives and gives him a kick-out option when he takes it to the hoop. When he's paired with Arenas, he can either handle the ball and let Gilbert focus on creating his own shot, or he be the same kick-out option for Arenas when he has the ball in his hands. It also helps that Hinrich can focus on the other team's best threat on the other side of the floor, which makes Arenas' life easier. If you pair him with Nick Young, you have a firm defensive backcourt with an experience man running the point who can put Young in the best spots on the floor to be effective.
Hinrich's versatilty is his strength, but it also confounds his role. To clear up how his minutes will be distributed between each guard spot, let's take a look back at 2008-09 Bulls, who had a similar backcourt situation. Derrick Rose was entering his rookie year, shouldering the load of being the face of the franchise, much like John Wall. Meanwhile, Ben Gordon was lining up at shooting guard, and was still expected to be the team's primary scoring threat while Rose developed his offensive game, in the same way that Gilbert Arenas will still be the Wizards' primary scorer, even though he's no longer the face of the franchise.
During that year, Hinrich played 33 percent of the Bulls' available minutes, spending 15 percent at point guard and 18 percent at shooting guard (a 44/56 split), according to 82 games. The most effective lineup Hinrich was a part of that season, featured him at point guard, though that five man squad only played 45 minutes together that season. The good news is the numbers between each spot are relatively steady, which is just what you want from someone who's going to spend a fairly even amount of time at each spot this season.
In the end, I'm guessing Hinrich will spend a little more time at shooting guard, since Arenas will handle the ball more than Gordon did in Chicago. I think a 40/60 split between point guard and shooting guard sounds about right this season. However, it remains to be seen just how many minutes per game Flip Saunders will invest in a Hinrich-Young backcourt. Depending on how well Wall and Arenas mesh, Hinrich could see more time at the point with Young if Saunders wants to keep his starters' minutes more consistent with one another.
Figuring out how wall Wall and Arenas fit together with one another is a discussion for another day, but regardless of how that pans out, Kirk Hinrich will find a way to fit in with whoever he's playing beside. As long as injuries don't throw rotations out of whack this season, Ernie Grunfeld may have finally found the guy he's been looking for to be the team's top guard coming off of the bench.
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I’d prefer to leave Arenas at the 2 and let Wall and Hinrich handle the 1. I think Arenas needs to keep his mind on successfully transitioning to the SG. Hinrich can play some SG minutes as can Young. I actually also like the idea of a Hinrich Young back court. But I’d rather not have Arenas at the point.
He's also played half a season's worth of games since 2007
Letting him focus on one thing – scoring and for the most part working off the ball – would be best.
I still don’t like the team’s chemistry when he’s on the floor. Hinrich or especially Young would probably work best with Wall, since they can both shoot and guard both point guards and shooting guards and get the ball up the court when there’s a press.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Sep 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by pantslessyoda1 on Sep 13, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
How much time do you think Hinrich will see at the 3 this year?
I know we’re unlikely to see it very often, but a lineup that includes Wall, Arenas and Hinrich at 1, 2 and 3 could be really fun to watch.
I'd guess not often
We’re pretty thin at guard, and Hinrich can play both spots well…that doesn’t leave a lot of time for him to play SF, especially with Young being much closer to SF size.
I don't think Hinrich is needed here.
I think Wall can handle the PG role, with Arenas sliding over to the 1 when Wall sits. That would leave more minutes for Young at the 2. I’d prefer if we could trade Hinrich for a veteran center on a one year contract (Pryzbilla, anyone?).
With that said, Hinrich is obviously an EG favorite and is unlikely to be moved. So I figure Hinrich is going to get most of the minutes at 3rd guard and Young won’t play much unless he can unseat Thornton or Howard at SF.
Hinrich’s role is pretty simple. He’s a SG when alongside Wall, and he’s a PG when alongside Arenas. The only thing that’s not yet known is whether Flip will allow his guards to be interchangeable. Will Arenas, Wall and Hinrich take turns handling the PG role depending upon matchups, or will it always fall to Wall (or Hinrich, when Wall is out)?
With Wall and Arenas playing about 35 min each
That leaves 26 minutes for hinrich. NY might ocasionally see some of those. Both at 2 and 3 Nick is the third option though. Unless he shows significant improvement on D, shot selection and manages to do so consitantly, he’s our depth at the wing playing 10 mpg and quite some DNP’s behind his name.
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 13, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see both of those guys at less than 35 minutes.
If Wall plays 35 a night he’s going to hit the rookie wall (sic) way too early. I’d rather not put 35 on Gil’s knee all year, at least not early on.
by MR on Sep 13, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on Arenas
But rooks like jennings curry and Evans played starter min last year didn’t they? i didn’t check but i believe they did. Maybe sit him out a couple of games but if he plays i’d rather have him play big minutes. Other wise he averages crappy stats wich would f up his ROY changes..
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 14, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care about ROY, but otherwise good point.
I don’t know their minutes or if their play trailed off.
by MR on Sep 14, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to limit everyones minutes to an extent
Tough to play consistent defense when your playing 38+ a game. Plus I wanna run!
by BayAreaBullet on Sep 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hopefully he'll be on the bench!
First, “Chicago didn’t want to get rid of Hinrich, but needed to unload his salary to make a run at this summer’s free agent crop.” I’m not a critic, but this makes no sense. You can’t say they wanted to keep him, but preferred to take a chance by dumping him to go after a free agent. That basically means that they didn’t want him. Plus, from everything I read, they wanted to dump him and salary after they got D. Rose.
I hoping he rides the pine until Nick Young gets a fair shot at playing time.
They had to get rid of him to have a chance at two max free agents
In an ideal world, his salary was less prohibitive and they wouldn’t have to salary-dump him, because they did like him a lot. But to have that chance to get two max free agents, they were willing to part with the player they liked.
Again
I somehow can’t help feeling this will all be sorted out easier if Nick Young could be figured out. He is the only prototypical SG on the roster and it would be so easy to start Wall/Arenas with a bench duo of Hinrich/Young (however Flip would divvy up the minutes)
Hinrich=Player!
I think after Wall, Gil is the best point on the team and could easily be the starter for the
Wizards. The only reason I’m okay with the move to the 2 is the obvious upgrade of
Wall. I do not feel the same way about Hinrich. It wouldn’t bother me to see Gil play point
and I don’t think it hampers his transition. Dude’s a player. The only given at the point is
that Wall is the prototypical point! What I think about Hinrich is that he can play! He’s truly
a fine asset…I think he brings 3and D…he’s scrappy. I used to hate when we played the
Bulls and he was part of the reason. I’m glad he’s on our side. I feel bad for Nick Young
because I don’t think he can beat Hinrich out for playing time. That’s what he has to do,
though, if he’s going to get minutes…He has to outperform other talented people…I’m
just not sure he can do it. Looking on the bright side, the Wizards will be better because
of their depth. The battle for time at small forward will be interesting too.
If Wall lives up to the hype...
and Gilbert can still do his thing… then Hinrich makes this threesome among best three guard rotations in the league. In this scenario, Nick Young has to make the transition to 3 in order to get the minutes he needs to prove his value to the team and the fans just have to hope that will be the case.
The backcourt
Could be a top 5 backcourt if Walls breaks out straight off,
Hopefully a strong year form Hinrich will give us a useful
trade chip next year.

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