It's about roles, not positions
This article is a bit old, but I want to reference it because I think it holds a lot of significance to how we think about basketball on any level. Basically, Drew Cannon of Basketball Prospectus writes about how we're too caught up on traditional "positions" when really the most important thing is whether a five-man unit can collectively do everything they need to get it done on both ends of the floor. Instead of thinking "is this player a point guard or a shooting guard," we need to think in terms of "what role does this player play and which kind of role is he best at defending against."
Cannon is writing within the context of mid-major college basketball, but his points are just as salient in the pros. As he writes:
On defense, you need to be able to guard your opponents. This means you have to be ready for speeds and heights of all kinds. You need to have a player capable of guarding each of the five traditional C-PF-SF-SG-PG positions. We'll call the players capable of defending each position "D1" through "D5," respectively, with speed/athleticism on the x-axis and height/strength on the y-axis:
[see chart at link]
And on offense what do you need to be successful? You need to be able to make shots (from the field or free throw line), avoid turnovers, and clean up the offensive glass--at the very least to the point where you aren't handing over points by doing the opposite. This means that you need someone who can take care of the ball, someone who can put it in the basket, someone who can get the ball to that guy, and someone who can get the ball back when someone misses. We'll call these four characters the Handler, the Scorer, the Creator, and the Rebounder.
As noted in the article, the creator and handler have to be the same person. Therefore, we have eight "roles" (creator/handler, scorer, rebounder, D1-D5) to slot players in, which is more helpful than just assigning them to positions that have widely divergent specific roles depending on the team.
How does this have to do with the Wizards? In the coming months, the question many will be asking is whether Gilbert Arenas can play "off the ball;" or, more accurately "Can Gilbert Arenas play shooting guard?" In reading this article, I can't help but think we're asking the wrong questions here.
Instead of asking those questions, the real thing we need to ask ourselves is this: do the Wizards have as many of these "roles" filled as possible? On offense, does the team, collectively, have enough scorers, handlers/creators and rebounders? On defense, does the team have guys capable of guarding different kinds of players on the strength/speed spectrum presented in that article? That's what we need to focus on, not positions.
And once we focus on this, the whole picture seems a bit clearer. Right now, here's how I'd break down our starting lineup:
- (C): JaVale McGee - rebounder (offensively), D5/D4
- (PF:): Andray Blatche - scorer, D4/D5
- (SF): Josh Howard - scorer, D2/D3
- (SG): Gilbert Arenas - scorer, creator/handler, D1/D2 (well, really D-nobody)
- (PG): John Wall - creator/handler, D1
Offensively, I think there's actually a pretty good mix of players here. The value of Arenas is that, with Wall in town, he can focus more on his scoring, and team with Howard and Blatche to take most of the shots. Wall, meanwhile, for the short term, can focus more on distributing the ball and making it easier on his scorers, which will prevent him from being overwhelmed and having to be both a primary scorer and a distributor. McGee can be the garbage man, especially on the offensive glass, where he could make a far bigger impact. In fact, that lineup very closely mirrors the suggested lineup mentioned in the Basketball Prospectus piece.
In the long term, sure, you want Wall to develop his scoring ability where he can do it all. But in the short term, is it really smart to ask a rookie to take the reigns right away? As much as Kirk Hinrich gets credit for helping Derrick Rose, it was probably more helpful for Rose to have Ben Gordon around for a year to help with the scoring load until he got his feet wet. Arenas (and Howard, if we're being honest) can be those guys for the Wizards next year. After next year, Howard will be gone, and hopefully Arenas will have played well enough where the "trade or don't trade" question becomes an actual question instead of us having to keep him because he has no trade value. But in the short term (and potentially the long term), the arrangement should work from a role-playing standpoint offensively.
Obviously, defense is a separate issue, as the Wizards will currently have issues trying to figure out how to best "hide" Arenas. But at the same time, Howard is capable of guarding D2s and D3s if healthy, and Wall, because of his wingspan, might be able to check smaller D2s as well. Their versatility makes it easier to hide Arenas on a non-offensive D1 or D3 if necessary. Even though Arenas will be technically listed as a "shooting guard," he could potentially be guarding "point guards" and even non-offensive "small forwards." Is that ideal? Absolutely not. Is it palatable? Potentially, and that's why it's so important to avoid using rigid positional terms.
Maybe this is all semantics, but I think this is an important distinction. As we're talking about next season's lineup, I think it's important to be talking as descriptively as possible. Sure "scorer," "creator/distributor" and "rebounder" are subjective terms, but at least there's a whole lot less fluff and a whole lot more flexibility to them than "shooting guard."
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thanks for getting my mind working
i’m enjoying this perspective. i’m a bit concerned about #s 6 through 12 (or whatever) on the bench and where they’ll punch in. this seems like even more of a reason to utilize the NBDL for our developing players. pick where we need them on the grid, then send them down to practice and optimize. also, does flip and the coaching staff view bball this way? even worse, does eg?!?
also, by default, we could assume that the final four teams in this year’s nba playoffs had maxed out the grid. but that also belies that LA has a great mix of height and skill, and Boston had an unlucky injury at an bad time. and it seems that phoenix’s key player (and now with new york) scored low on both his D role and his rebounding role, esp. against the Lakers’ superior height and skill. Lastly, I think if this methodology holds, then Orlando is maxed out, unless Howard can magically invent a real offensive game and Nelson becomes a clutch performer.
So the conclusion is 'don't worry about the offense, it'll be fine'.
Well that’s been the case for a long time.
On defense I don’t envision Arenas on any SFs, or at least enough of them to base a season on. No, he’s really going to have to improve his D so that he can pull his weight on that end. I think we all believe he has the ability. He needs to add the effort, and frankly I think it’s probably the second or third biggest question of the season.
I think the biggest question of the season will be ‘can McGee be an asset on the defensive end’ and sadly I think the answer will be no. It will be too hard to bury two poor defenders next year and will end up being the team’s downfall. Again.
You don't think Arenas can be hid on 3AD guys
Like Jamario Moon, Jonas Jerebko, Dorrell Wright, Brandon Rush, Rasual Butler, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Quentin Richardson, Nicolas Batum, Donte Greene, CJ Miles and Antoine Wright?
That’s the thing – it’s not really about positions (SG, SF) here, it’s more about style of play. Why can’t Arenas guard non-scoring wings, whether they’re listed at SG or SF?
And that's not saying he doesn't need to improve his D
I’m saying, realistically, he won’t, and that can be overcome if we aren’t as rigid about positions.
Well you’re talking about 15-20 minutes a game type players that we’re going to face a total of maybe 15-20 times this season. Like I said, not enough to base a season on.
And they are going to rebound the hell out of Arenas.
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And they are going to rebound the hell out of Arenas.
I don’t understand this point. And I agree regardless that defense is going to be a big problem next year. All I’m saying is that if we reframe the discussion away from rigid positional requirements, we can compensate a little better than if we don’t.
When any 6-9 220 SF sees 6-3 195 Gilbert Arenas guarding him he’s going to hit the offensive glass.
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see that being much of an issue
Especially if said player isn’t much of a rebounder anyway (and none of those guys really are).
have to agree with MR
on this one. unless gil can move his feet and put a butt in front of someone, or keep his body in front of someone, every team is going to exploit wherever he is on the floor.
then we've gained an advantage
If teams are game planning to get less efficeint scorers chances or boards against Arenas then they’re out of their offense and going away from their most efficeint options. Thats the point of any defense so even in that way there is an advantage, as long as they don’t become amazingly efficeint versus Gilbert.
I think that sending a low offense SF and having him crash the offensive boards against a player 6 inches shorter would be maximizing that player’s worth, not minimizing it.
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
height has little to do with rebounding, you rebound by position
and we’ve already pointed out that these players aren’t good rebounders to begin with. So they are going to crash their SF instead of getting back to defend Wall, Arenas et al. Sounds like another advantage for the offense at the cost of a couple boards here or there.
Arenas will likely be running
and scoring easy buckets in transition if his man is always crashing the glass. It’s much harder to hit the boards against a team that pushes the tempo. Not to mention, how many of these SFs are good offensive rebounders? That’s your real concern, but offensive rebounding requires a hell of a lot more than height. It’s mentality, scheme, and position, as well as body type and timing.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 9, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Arenas is not real good at using his body to defensive rebound, so that’s a problem too.
And the opposing SF’s man won’t be Arenas. They’ll switch back on D.
I guess Todd and I are alone thinking that putting one of the worst defenders in the league against a man who has a physical advantage is a bad idea.
So now what do we do the other 60ish games a year?
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wall, Hinrich, Howard, Blatche, etc.
can play some pretty good D. It’s not the end of the world that Gil is a lackluster defender. It’s going to be alright that Gilbert is our best offensive player and also one of our worst defenders.
Somehow teams like Denver (with Melo), Dallas (with Dirk), Phoenix (with Nash/Amare), etc. were able to win plenty of games with their best offensive player also being a sub-par defender. We know what we’re going to get with Gil on D, and it ain’t that good. So let’s focus on the above mentioned Wizards stepping up their defense. If Howard, Blatche, and McGee can defend the paint, it’s not that big of a deal if Gil is playing his Antawn-esque D. Guys like Wall, Hinrich, and Booker actually like playing D, so hopefully some of that will rub off on our more offensive-oriented players.
The thing is
contrary to what most people around here think, I think AJ gave good effort on defense but his lateral footspeed was just too slow. Arenas has the tools. I just think he doesn’t really get up for defense.
I think we should focus our mental energy on hoping he starts giving full effort on D. I swear he could be a lockdown defender.
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The offensive team can't switch back easily on D
If they are crashing the boards and the defensive team is pushing the tempo. Watch a couple NBA games and focus on who guards whom when the defensive team quickly outlets the ball — often mismatches are created when the team getting back on defense team doesn’t have time to shift defenders around to the optimal or preferred alignment. This problem is compounded when you crash the boards.
Also, I don’t think the author is saying you do this 82 games a year. I think he’s saying that you have to be flexible in how you think about aligning your defense.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 10, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks great idea
I’ll try watching a couple of NBA games.
by MR on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
"Arenas is not real good at using his body to defensive rebound"
And yet, for his position, Gilbert still manages to be one of the best defensive rebounders in the league. Fifth best in defensive rebound rate last year, behind only Kidd, Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, and Chris Paul.
I like Gil...and I like your points...but
I feel like the number one reason gil will never be a superstar is because of defense, not attitude or injuries. The unfortunate thing is, if you cannot play defense there is no place for you on any winning team.
I am excited about the Gil/Wall tandem in the back court and I am totally freaked out by it. Gil is as bad as antawn was on d…and honestly I think cleveland was better w/o antawn. I love Gil, but I am not sure if we can be winners with him. Then again, deep playoff run isn’t exactly our expectations thisn year
by Carlos Returns on Aug 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I hope this an attempt at jest.
by Craig_ on Aug 10, 2010 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's tw10, dude, 'course he's joking :)
We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 11, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right about roles
The team that beats Miami in the playoffs will have all 8 or 9 roles filled.
As for the Wiz, you can’t hide any position on D. If you are a good defensive team, all five players have to be in sync. But then you have to have scorers as well. The Wiz don’t have all of the pieces yet.
Given what they have, I’d focus on D in the first unit along with easy buckets from Wall and McGee given their speed/athleticism.
Wall, Hinrich, Howard, Blatche, McGee (Blatche, Howard and Hinrich shoot the jumpers in the set plays)
For the second unit, it’s scoring and rebounding.
Arenas, Young, Yi (scorers), Thorton and a bruiser like Booker.
When you think roles, the weaknesses become more apparent.
The premise of your article is absolutely correct...
But looking at all the comments, it still comes down to the guy I called Banquo’s Ghost all last Spring.
For this team, Gilbert Arenas is the living definition of an X factor. We just simply do not know what we are getting, which is part of the fun of folowing this team, right?
As for other roles, we still have not filled the role of a glass-eating rebound monster either in the starting lineup assuming JVM is not yet ready to step up (Seraphin too for that matter) or off the bench for 15-20 minutes a game . Moreover, if anyone think this role is going to be filled by a tall young man whose first name starts with H, uh, not yet if ever. From the energy perspective, Booker can possibly provide some of this but at the end of the day, he is vertically challenged. Singleton is the closest guy we know for this role, but I have lately been thinking and saying Louis Amundsen might come closer to what we need. I do not know who is looking at him, but he is defnitely played some goodball for Los Suns last yr and he is available.
One thing to clarify here
Is that my understanding is, when it comes to rebounding, the article linked meant only offensive rebounding, with the D1-D5 roles bringing the defensive qualities. If so, then I think JaVale’s already a good enough offensive rebounder. His defensive rebounding obviously is another issue entirely (and probably a bigger one), but in terms of offense, I think he’s there already.
One thing I thought of when I read the original article
was the old FreeDarko/Ziller Z-graph. It’s too bad they were eventually abandoned, because I’d love to see one for an entire team with everyone’s skills overlaid. I think the Wizards would do alright, with maybe weak “post intimidation” (if they use this version), “threes” and “rebounds.” Of course, all three of those are important.
Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.
They'll need to hide McGee on defense more than Gil. In my opinion.
And it ain’t easy to hide when you’re 7ft tall.
You are right
There is no hiding McGee. That will be our major downfall this season.
by MR on Aug 9, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee will be abused in the post, but...
…his shotblocking ability dissuades guys who like to penetrate, and with Blatche/Seraphin on help defense it may not be as bad as you’re thinking?
We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 11, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think any team with a scoring C will abuse us and we will be among the bottom of the league in allowing offensive rebounds. We’ll have to double a lot.
by MR on Aug 11, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not many scoring centers out there, though
And the ones who are out there are not great at getting back to defend the fast break. Playing zone could also help us against the Yao/Bynum/Duncans of the league, although playing zone will only exacerbate our rebounding problems.
Agreed.
McGee can’t stay on the dang floor (either foul-wise or, relatedly, in response to pump-fakes). There’s a reason they call a good defensive center an “anchor.”
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by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 10, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Enjoyed the writeup Mike.
I think that all fans of all teams spend way too much time worrying about positions. It’s Flip Saunders job to try and get the most out of this team this season. The best way to do that is gear the team around the offensive end of the court. Yes, the defense will have problems, but that was always the case anyway.
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