Are We Forgetting About Gilbert?

Well, im pretty sure that if was to show up at work with guns, they´d fire me! Probably don´t get a loyalty offer either ;-)

but I do agree with you.

goodplayers on a bad team explains their good numbers but lower numbers on better teams is an indictment? BS.

I realize you have the sarcasm button stuck on your computer but I would appreciate if you responded to my points rather than engage in straw man arguments. You repeatedly offer up AJ and CB’s diminished production on their new teams as some sort of proof that Gilbert made them what they were. That argument CONVENIENTLY omits the fact that their best 2 years of production in a Wizards uniform came with Arenas on the bench. So your logic refutes your own argument. If they were nothing without Arenas why did they produce more with him on the bench? Neither showed a drop off in shooting percentage either(Both had the their best shooting years as Wizards in a year Arenas was out). To clarify my original point, I don’t feel that CB or AJ’s drop in production when they went to better teams is a good metric to judge Arenas. I feel that is an incredible oversimplification to a really nuanced question. You can’t really have it both ways, you can’t ignore their increase in production as Wizards without Arenas and then offer their drop off on better teams as proof that they are nothing without Arenas.
I think production from year to year is kindof complicated. I feel the same way about trying to judge how much of the Wizards success was due to Arenas. For instance, I in no way shape or form think that the reason their production increased when Arenas was hurt was because Arenas was holding them down. CB was coming into his own(most guys have a 1-2 year peak on their bell curve) and they just shouldered a bigger load. It’s not like their shooting numbers tanked while jacking up shots. I just think they had to do more and elevated their game. When they go to a better team(The Cav’s and Mav’s were better teams than any Wizards team during their time here) their production drops.
The teams W-L record shows a similar ambiguity. Our best year in Wins was 45 and that was a team led by Arenas. On the other hand in a season he only played 13 games we had our second best record with 43 wins. I think people with an axe to grind against Arenas like to cherry pick certain facts and vice versa with the Gilbert-aholics. I think a lot of the quantifiable data is extremely ambiguous and doesn’t lend itself to gross oversimplifications.

So feel free to flame me again without really acknowledging my points. All I ask is that you don’t get deliberately deceptive with your arguments. I think you can rebut tw10 without that. If you don’t agree with me calmly rebut it don’t create a straw man argument. All I pointed out was that the method of evaluation you used disputed your point as much as agreed with it.

but what a prick.

If I were a coach there would be NO WAY I would vote for him unless he was having an MVP year.

Gil missed 27 games in 2003-2004(His first year with us) with abdominal issues. I don’t remember why he missed so many games his first year in the league, it could have been DNP-CD’s, but he only played 47 games that year. He’s not the most brittle guy outside of his knee but it hasn’t been his only health issue. Plus taking that long and that many surgeries to come back from a knee injury isn’t the most encouraging sign when it comes to whether or not someone is injury prone. If you disregard the suspension year he still played 55 games or less 4 times out of 8 seasons.