Expectations
Is anyone else worried that Nick Young, Andray Blatche, and Javale McGee will never be really good players?
Despite loving Javale (I have a McGee jersey for God's sake), I never really see him being much more than a poor man's Tyson Chandler. I just don't see the ability to learn or complete an offensive game and he will rely on his "mad hops" until he eventually blows out a knee.
I have mixed feelings about Bltache. I feel like he will be the Zach Randolph of the Wizards for the next 5 years. I never really see him taking the next step to becoming a KG type personality and will probably never see his D get better. I have a feeling he will at some point have a meltdown and reduce his trade value. Until then 18 - 7 - 3 will be good, right?
As for Nick Young...I hate him. I really do. He looks rediculous out there and despite being supremely athletic, he just never quite "gets it". He could have a Ray Allen type stroke if he would just learn from the Rip Hamilton approach of running off screens and taking upright jumpers. No highlight dunks, no fading jumpers, no rediculous 3's.
I am looking forward to John Wall though, I just don't think these guys will be of much help in 5 years. But watching the Wall-McGee-thunder dunk sequence will be fun.
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I HATE
Nick Young as well! I just can’t understand why he doesn’t get it. I mean, who is telling him that he’s good??? You can see the potential he has oozing from his ears, only problem is that HE thinks that HE has arrived already!!! Just getting drafted isn’t enough. Please get in the gym and stop being satisfied with summer league performance and showing up for 1 quarter of the season!!!
by KonartistNupe on Aug 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nick Young has lots of things he needs to improve
Concentration, basketball IQ, ability to fit in a team setting, etc.
But his work ethic isn’t one of them. He works hard. He’s not like 2007 Blatche.
That was something I always suspected
I just figure that you don’t get a stroke like his – not only on fadeaways, but on threes and free throws, too – without putting in at least some time in the gym. Why do you think he has so many problems with rebounding? Steve Nash gets more boards than him.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I love Nick as a person, but he’s been battling a learning disability his entire life, and I think he struggles to pick up things as fast as most people do, as hard as he may try.
I hate Nick's stroke...
Nick Young has one of the most inconsistent strokes by a “shooter” in the NBA. His elbow flails out half the time. I believe this is the reason for his hot and cold streaks. I’m not saying the guy doesn’t practice, to that I have no idea, I’m saying he doesn’t have a shooters stroke, doesn’t have consistent form, and therefore has inconsistent results.
I certainly think his motion is awkward, yes
You might be onto something, I’m not sure. Then again, there are lots of good shooters with very strange-looking motions.
i remember arenas once said...
that nick young is like kobe…
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
because he jumps up and down like a spring board...
but he does it recklessly in my opinion(jumps to block everything) and dreams of dunking in the dunk contest!(those guys knees always get jacked) We have a curse around here y’know! I see visions of Pervis Ellison wrenching his knee and never being the same…..
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by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Aug 24, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
people often think that upside is a sure thing
we´ll just wait a couple of years and violá a superstar! It just isnt
NY seems to have the ability but not the brain
AB seems to have the skills but lacks maturity (that might never come)
Javale has the physical tools but he lacks the mental determination to become great
or so it seems.
Only time will tell….
Here´s hoping that JW will take them there!
• Javale needs a lot of time. He’s very young, fairly inexperienced, and his body has not developed yet. Patience is needed.
• First of all Blatche already had that meltdown. I don’t know why you expect his personality change…especially to KG…how many players have a KG personality anyway? I think his D is pretty good. I’d guess he’ll continue to improve but I’d never expect him to be a Mourning/KG.
• I agree about Young. Can’t stand watching him on the court. He probably never learned to play team basketball and I suspect he never will. I think he’d benefit from a change of scenery to a structured organization with a tough coach. We’ve all been on the court with players that can’t think past their shot. He could thrive as designated scorer on a defensive team (like the finals era Pistons).
I feel differently about each
These three are in three very different places.
McGee is both young and raw. He needs time and absolutely will get better. The question is how much. If he doesn’t start playing smarter, he’ll just become an exciting bench player. If he can learn a little bit and avoid injury while his body matures and he gets used to the NBA game, he could be very good. We just have to wait and see — this year should give us some idea whether he’s going to learn anything, but he’ll have a couple more years of improvement after it either way.
Blatche is already good. The only question is how much better he’ll get. He showed last year that he can match his per minute stats over starter minutes. It kind of baffles me how everyone last summer was talking about “giving up” on him and how now people are still down on him. He was a 2nd round pick out of high school that has improved at least one aspect of his game every year. He should improve again this year unless his injury holds him back. He’s not KG, so let’s just stop those comparisons. KG is one of the greatest to ever play the game — when he was Blatche’s age he was in MVP discussions, and he was still improving. Blatche will improve too, but we should be hoping for a 3-5 time all star, not an NBA first-teamer. At 23, he was already a pretty good starter though, and 18/9/3 is very good production to go along with decent defense. He needs to play smarter still, but his game has been trending that way.
Mostly Young is what he is, but he did change his game a bit last year, so there’s a possibility that we’ll see improvement this season. If he keeps getting better on defense then he may still become a valuable role player. I wouldn’t bet on it though. Whatever his improvement, he’s going to have a hard time getting meaningful minutes to prove it if Howard is healthy to start the season. And he needs to prove it this year for his career — I could see him being a very unhappy camper this season.
by steadyhand on Aug 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Going back to my original point
I never meant to insinuate these three fellas can’t be very good players…I’m just saying chances are they won’t.
To get back to a couple of counter-arguments made:
1. I think Javale will get injured due to the Curse, the seeming lack of muscle to support those rubber band tendons, and his inexperience.
2. I doubt 3-Day-Dray will average more than 8 boards a game this year. This is where my comparison to KG comes into effect. I never have believed Dray could be as good as KG, but I believe it is his job to have his mentality. I think the team would be better off if Dray averaged 14-12-4 and played All-Star defense. He has all the tools, but let’s be honest, he will never care as much about winning as he does about scoring buckets. KG attacks his opponent every time down the court, he gets in their heads (like Andray this year). To me that is far more valuable to a young team looking for identity than a 7-footer looking to make 14 foot fadeaways.
3. Nick Young is a clown. I just want him to sit down and watch Ray Allen film for a week straight. That is who he could be, but he never will be. I think he is a funny guy, a kind soul, and may have a learning disability…but he needs to develop a true identity. His identity now is a inconsistent knucklehead.
That's not good
Rip is an inefficient shooter, he’s only gone over 50 efg twice in his career. Right now, Nick is a negative contributor to the team. He doesn’t shoot efficiently and is pretty lacking in every statistical category except points per 36(and that doesn’t even matter even he’s not scoring efficiently).
I think you and Flip are using the word "efficient" differently
You’re using it in the most literal way – which is fine and understandable (and you’re right, Rip’s percentages are not as high as one would expect). But when Flip wants Nick to be efficient like Rip, he’s not saying he wants him to have a high eFG% or TS%, he’s saying he wants him to shoot without dribbling much and taking time off the shot clock.
The thing about Rip is that, yes, his percentages are low, so he’s not “efficient” in that sense because he makes his living on the most inefficient shot in basketball. But he also has absurdly low turnover rates for a guard (from 2005 on) and very high assist percentages for a guy who doesn’t dribble much (because he perfected the curl and pop/curl and roll with Detroit’s big men). Those two qualities occur because he’s so good at moving without the ball and coming off screens. That’s what Flip wants Nick Young to do too. Maybe it won’t show in his shooting percentages, but if Nick emulates Flip, he’ll have way fewer turnovers and way, way more assists, two things he doesn’t do well right now.
Flip should send him tapes of James Posey instead
If NY wants to stick in the league he should learn to defend and stay effective without having the whole team be centered around getting him a shot. Play great defense, move the ball, run in transistion, hit the boards and hit wide open 3’s. I think Flip has done him a huge disservice by this whole Rip Hamilton thing. Guiding him straight to Europe. He models his game after Posey or Ariza with the Lakers and he has a 12 year career. The chances of him being good enough to justify a whole team working to just get him a shot is slim to none.
by BayAreaBullet on Aug 29, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...dude can play defense when he wants too..
Whenever I think Nick Young and potential, I always think of that game early in the year against Miami where he guarded DWade and somehow did a damn good job.
Nick played well whenever he was given consistent playing time...
but for whatever reason…he didn’t get consistent playing time. Not saying there was no reason, because I have no idea.
• Your entire point about Javale is pure conjecture and (no offense) is basically meaningless.
• How is it a player’s job to have a certain mentality? I can hardly think of two players whose personalities on the court are more different than AB and KG. I think you’re basing a lot of your view of KG on his more recent years. It’s his intensity not his (let’s face it) ass-holeness that is valuable. Blatche will never be that intense, so if you’re expecting that from him you will always be disappointed. Then again I can only think of one or two players in NBA history as intense as KG so I don’t think it’s anything to be ashamed of.
by MR on Aug 25, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Young needs to spend a lifetime watching Rip Hamilton
Nick Young is as good as gone in DC. You can go ahead and trade his reasonable contract to San Antonio or Utah, somewhere a coach with authority can teach the young man the game. He would be decent learning from Pops or Sloan.
JaVale’s body type just doesn’t seem ready to handle the rigors of an 82+ game regular season. Maybe three years from now his knees will be fine, but I doubt it.
Andray is my biggest contention with your counter-argument. It is a player’s job to have a certain mentality to make the team better. From 1999 until now you have 5 teams win the title (Lakers, Heat, Spurs, Celtics, and Pistons). Each one of those squads had a 4 or a 5 with an intense disposition, played stellar D, or had a reputation for hard fouls. Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Perkins, and B. Wallace all had the “stones” to get in there and mix it up. Who else has the ability to do that for the Wizards? JaVale? Seraphin? Booker? None of those guys has the talent and ability that Blatche does.
So in short, yes it is Blatche’s obligation to play with a nasty streak and attack. Even Pau Gasol realized that in order to be a champion he would have to make hard fouls and attack the rim. He shows way more intensity than Blatche does and he is not nearly as athletic.
Blatche will always be a headache.
not at all
pau had someone who is an as on the court…KOBE…pau was soft until he got to LA…played like how AB is playing now….just didnt have that killer instinct…..Dray is playing with Gil who we all hope can get it back….Pau is not a good example…dray will never lead the team in intensity…however, he can add to the mix with another that can
by back_to_the_future on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's get Blatche to the point where he's consistently producing for more than half a season
(and he’s on the right track). Then, we can worry about “mentality.”
by Mike Prada on Aug 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dont understand why people keep saying that AB is a good/decent defender
okay, maybe he’s good/decent for the wizards team but let’s say he was on the celtics, or the bobcats, he’d be a pretty poor defender then
you can’t be good on defense unless you’re 100% committed, because in the NBA you can’t be fooling around on defense, if you’re not giving it all even the oldest role player can can get the best of you
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knows whats up. I am by most standards a “homer”, but even I can see that Dray is a sub-par defender.
Back to Prada’s point, we need to work up to half a season for Blatche. Last year he played 30 decent games on offense but with poor defense, all after he refused to go back into a game. So you got 3/8ths of a season with decent offense, really good passing, and poor defense.
You can’t expect to build an athlete physically then mentally, it has to be the other way around. He just doesn’t have the right mindset yet, but he could if someone was there to mold him. Flip isn’t going to do it, Dray is what he is. This is the same guy who may have broken his foot playing a pick-up game and has yet to tell the truth about. This is the same guy who doesn’t have an ounce of respect for Flip. The same guy who got shot years back. The same guy who tried to pick up a prostitute while looking for a new contract. The same guy who had to develop a moniker to dispell the rumors that he could only find the gym if it was inside the club, according to Wilbon.
You really think he is on the right track? Doubtful.
media
dont believe everything the media puts out,.
Give a highschooler millions and tell him to grow up? What do you do with millions and a pro sports athlete with tons of groupies at 18? yall talk about dray and not OVI….Y? race is to easy per say, but winning is everything. Dray reminds me of a chris webber/ sheed wallace when they were here….Dray plays in a MAJOR CITY and is a starter!!!!!
Prior to this past season, he was in the gym a lot, hence 7-day Dray….but then you have jameson compaining about how he (anton) is not getting his shots!!!!! r you kidding me! Dray played his role knowing that he was a 4th option at best. his numbers still improved. this guy has all star talent but yall want him to be someone else. WHy?
This was flips first loosing season in 15 years!!!!are you kidding me?
“This is the same guy who may have broken his foot playing a pick-up game and has yet to tell the truth about.” -- how do you know this? more media lies/ propaganda..
“This is the same guy who doesn’t have an ounce of respect for Flip.” What young athlete respects anybody when they are loosing? jordan didt respect doug collins unitl years later (wizards)….he didnt respect phil jackson until they got Pippen…he didnt respect pippen until they started winning….——-not saying Dray is jordan
“The same guy who got shot years back” -—wow!!!! the shooter got beef cause of dray"s immaturity huh!
“The same guy who tried to pick up a prostitute while looking for a new contract.” -—probally just a pretty girl he was tryen to pick up that happened to be a prostitute…lot of those in the area
“The same guy who had to develop a moniker to dispell the rumors that he could only find the gym if it was inside the club” parties with Ovi all the time….he is young with a lot of money…stop hating
by back_to_the_future on Aug 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He was much more than decent offensively
He was one of the top offensive power forwards in basketball the last 30 games, despite having no help and facing double- and triple teams every single game. Don’t sell his contributions short.
Exactly.
I don’t know why everyone keeps crying, “Fluke!” Is it a homer version of knocking on wood? For Chrissake’s, my jaw hit the floor when I saw the ‘net headline "Wizards defeat Bulls behind Blatche’s double-double"…we’ll see what he can do over a full season, but players can and do mature.
Btw…when I got stuck in DC (Galler Place by the VC actually, the only prostitutes I saw where extremely fat in fishnets…nasty!
We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose it could be a fluke
But I was just pointing out that he was outstanding in the last 30 games of the season.
I think Blatche is a mediocre defender
Not bad, not good. He’s got pluses and minuses. So he’s decent. He could definitely get better in that regard, which is what I’m hoping to see this season (more likely next). It just seems necessary to credit him for being decent because Jamison was such a huge liability.
I think Blatche is already good
IMO It’s more a matter of if he becomes a solid starter/borderline All-star or a Star in his own right. I’m a big Kool-Aid drinker on McGee but am kinda disheartened by how little he improved this summer. I’ve moved on from NY. I know the whole “learning to be Rip Hamilton type 2” makes a cute little story but it isn’t good for NY IMO. If he wants to stay in the NBA he needs to learn to defend, hit open 3’s, rebound and basically make positive contributions without having the whole offense be geared to get him a shot. I know Flip partly did that to boost his confidence last year but if we want to win I don’t see the point in having our whole offense be dedicated to getting him a shot. I’d rather the offense work to get Gil, AB, Wall going and let guys like NY play D, move the ball and hit wide open shots. No sense in groom ing him to be the foucs of an offense.
- y comparison for McGee is Tyson Chandler w/more offensive potential. I also think he is slightly more athletic then Tyson Chandler. He’s not as raw offensively as people think he is. He showed in the summer league that he has some good post moves and has offensive touch. He worked his but off in the summer too. He’s gained a lot of weight, has grew an inch and a 1/4, and has taken up boxing to improve his conditioning. He finally has a true point guard now(Mr. Wall), and I think he will flourish with John their. He has loads of potential. Just watch, he going to become a star.
- If Blatche can just get his head together and learn how to always play hard, He can become an all-star. The question is if he has the desire. Before he broke his foot this summer, he was working his but off, do that’s a good sign. And even though he is injured, he said he is determined to stay in shape. So if he improves his defense, gains more maturity, and shows the desire to play great, I think he will breakout.
- Nick Young has the potential to be a very good player, but he takes all of his abilities for granted. People say the he was stuck on the bench, but they’re wrong because he got some starts last season. While he did good in some, he played bad in others and his PT dipped late in the season. Nick Young is a great shooter and great athlete, but has low basketball I.Q., takes bad shots, and is very inconsistent. I think this is his make-or-break year for Washington. If he doesn’t impress the coaching staff this season, I think he may be on his way out of D.C..
Wall can make them all better
If this were a video game, and you put Wall on the team, the ratings for each of these guys would go up 5-10 points. Given plenty of fast break opportunities, each of these guys can look really good. That’s what’s exciting about this next season.. not what Wall’s stats will be, but what the team will look like with him in command.

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