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Is Gilbert Arenas the best Guard in Wizards team history?

Wizards fans are excited about the upcoming season. The John Wall era is beginning. Gilbert Arenas should be healthy. And the pair could form an incredibly exciting and talented backcourt. So I began to wonder, who is the best guard in Wizards history?

The question is often difficult to answer as rule changes, NBA expansion and physically bigger/faster players are just three factors that making it nearly impossible to make true player comparisons across eras. Understanding the imperfect nature of this exercise, we will proceed with trying to determine who is the best Guard that has played for the Wizards franchise.

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In order to help level the playing field, we established a list of criteria that each player had to meet before they were considered. All the players listed below have all played in the shot clock era. It does not matter if they are a point guard or a shooting guard as long as their primary position was listed as guard. During his career with the franchise, the player has to have played a minimum of 10,000 minutes, which is roughly the equivalent of 80 games per year at 40 mpg for three seasons. The last criteria was that the player had to score a minimum of 5,000 points during his career with the franchise. It is also important to mention that the players' statistics with other teams were not included.

So with the help of our friends at Basketball-Reference.com we were able to determine that there are eight Wizards players who meet this criteria. And in alphabetical order they are: Gilbert Arenas, Calbert Cheaney, Phil Chenier, Kevin Grevey, Kevin Loughery, Jeff Malone, Earl Monroe and Mike Riordan.

First a little about each player:

Gilbert Arenas

6-4 215 lbs Los Angeles native played college basketball for the University of Arizona. In 2001, Arenas was drafted in the second round by the Golden State Warriors. Arenas signed with the Wizards as a free agent in 2003.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 323

  • Minutes played - 13,323 (39.7 MPG)

  • Career averages - 25.5 PPG, 5.7 APG and 4.3 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Four (2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008*)

  • All-Star appearances - Three (2005, 2006 and 2007)

  • Honors - 2004/5 All-NBA (third team), 2005/6 All-NBA (third team) and 2006/7 All-NBA (second team)

  • Significant teammates - Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison

*Gilbert Arenas missed much of the 2007/8 season due to injury and managed to play in 13 regular season games and four games in the playoffs.

Calbert Cheaney

6-7 209 lbs Evansville, IN native played college basketball for Indiana University. Cheaney was drafted by the Bullets with the sixth pick in the first round of the 1993 NBA draft.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 424

  • Minutes played - 13,097 (30.9 MPG)

  • Career averages - 12.7 PPG, 1.9 APG and 3.5 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - One (1997)

  • Significant teammates - Juwan Howard & Rod Strickland

Phil Chenier

6-3 180 lbs Berkeley, CA native played college basketball for the University of California. Chenier was selected by the franchise (Baltimore Bullets) as the fourth overall pick in the 1971 NBA draft.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 546

  • Minutes played - 18,654 (34.2MPG)

  • Career averages - 17.9 PPG, 3.1 APG and 3.7 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Seven (1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1979)

  • Finals appearances - Two (1975 & 1979)

  • Championships - 1978*

  • All-Star appearances - Three (1974, 1975 and 1977)

  • Honors - 1971/2 NBA All-Rookie (1st team) and 1974/5 All-NBA (2nd team)

  • Significant teammates - Dave Bing, Bob Dandridge, Elvin Hayes, Gus Johnson, Kevin Loughery, Earl Monroe, Mike Riordan & Wes Unseld

*Phil Chenier played 36 games during the 1977/8 season and due to injury he did not play in the playoffs which ended with the Bullets winning the NBA Championship.

Kevin Grevey

6-5 210 lbs Hamilton, OH native played college basketball at the University of Kentucky. The Washington Bullets selected Greevey with the 18th pick of the first round in the 1975 NBA draft.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 530

  • Minutes played - 13,141 (24.8 MPG)

  • Career averages - 12.2 PPG, 2.0 APG and 2.7 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Six (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980 and 1982)

  • Finals appearances - Two (1978 & 1979)

  • Championships - 1978

  • Significant teammates - Dave Bing, Bob Dandridge, Phil Chenier, Elvin Hayes, Mike Riordan & Wes Unseld

Kevin Loughery

6-3 190 lbs Brooklyn, NY native played college basketball for St. John's University. Loughery was selected in the 2nd round of the 1962 NBA draft by the Detroit Pistons. The Baltimore Bullets acquired Kevin Loughery from the Pistons in a trade for Larry Staverman in 1963.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 591

  • Minutes played - 18,677 (31.6 MPG)

  • Career averages - 16.64 PPG, 4.0 APG and 3.14 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Five (1965, 1966, 1969, 1970 and 1971)

  • Finals appearances - One (1971)

  • Significant teammates - Walt Bellamy, Gus Johnson, Bob Dandridge, Gus Johnson, Earl Monroe & Wes Unseld

Jeff Malone

6-4 205 lbs Mobile, AL native played college basketball for Mississippi State University. Malone was drafted by the Washington Bullets with the 10th pick of the 1983 NBA draft.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 548

  • Minutes played - 17,984 (32.8 MPG)

  • Career averages - 20.2 PPG, 2.8 APG and 2.7 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Five (1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1988)

  • All-Star appearances - Two (1986 and 1987)

  • Honors - 1983/4 NBA All-Rookie (1st team)

  • Significant teammates - Bernard King, Rick Mahorn, Moses Malone, Cliff Robinson & John Williams

Earl Monroe

6-3 185 lbs Philadelphia native played college basketball for Winston-Salem State University. Monroe was drafted by the Baltimore Bullets with the 2nd pick in the 1967 NBA draft.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 328

  • Minutes played - 12,084 (36.8 MPG)

  • Career averages - 23.7 PPG, 4.6 APG and 3.7 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Three (1969, 1970 and 1971)

  • Finals appearances - One (1971)

  • All-Star appearances - Two (1969 and 1971)

  • Honors - 1967/8 NBA Rookie of the Year, 1967/8 NBA All-Rookie (first team) and 1968/9 All-NBA (firstteam)

  • Significant teammates - Dave Bing, Bob Dandridge, Elvin Hayes, Gus Johnson, Kevin Loughery, Mike Riordan & Wes Unseld

Mike Riordan

6-4 200 lbs New York native played college basketball for Providence College. Riordan was drafted by the New York Knicks in the 12th round of the 1967 NBA draft. The Baltimore Bullets acquired Riordan (and Dave Stallworth and cash) from the Knicks for Earl Monroe in 1971.

Career highlights with the franchise:

  • Games played - 418

  • Minutes played - 12,463 (29.8 MPG)

  • Career averages - 12.4 PPG and 3.4 RPG

  • Playoff appearances - Six (1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976 and 1977)

  • Finals appearances - One (1975)

  • Honors - 1972/3 NBA All-Defensive (second team)

  • Significant teammates - Phil Chenier, Kevin Grevey, Elvin Hayes, Gus Johnson, Kevin Loughery, Earl Monroe & Wes Unseld

So who is the best?

Ultimately it boils down to one of four players - Gilbert Arenas, Phil Chenier, Jeff Malone or Earl Monroe. For example, Phil Chenier had a long and accomplished career. During Phil's career the team made seven playoff appearances, including three finals appearances (two of which he played in) and a NBA Championship. He also had three All-Star appearances and was able to generate very solid career numbers - 17.9 PPG, 3.1 APG and 3.7 RPG. However, he and the other players on this list played with teams that had a deeper talent pool.

Out of the players on this list Gilbert Arenas has played the second fewest games, yet he has the highest averages amongst points, assists, rebounds and minutes per game. And while only Earl Monroe played fewer games with the franchise, Arenas ranks fourth-highest in minutes played - further suggesting a lack of depth behind him on the team. Arenas has made four playoff appearances - three of which he made significant contributions. Arenas was also second on this list in steals (606) to Phil Chenier (667). He is also the teams most decorated player with three All-NBA awards.

So in an extremely close vote, the nod goes to Gilbert Arenas. While I am very respectful of Phil Chenier's contributions to an incredibly successful period in team history, there is no denying Gilbert's statistics. It is also important to again point out that he has accomplished this with having a thinner bench then virtually every player listed above.

Poll
Who is the best guard in Wizards team history?
Gilbert Arenas
391 votes
Calbert Cheaney
15 votes
Phil Chenier
68 votes
Kevin Grevey
4 votes
Kevin Loughery
1 votes
Jeff Malone
33 votes
Earl Monroe
315 votes
Mike Riordan
1 votes

828 votes | Poll has closed

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Pearl's 1

Gil’s a close 2, Phil’s third. Can’t deny how great Pearl was with the Bullets – his knees were shot by his Knicks tenure.

by Mike Prada on Aug 22, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

The Pearl

Had incredible numbers with the Bullets without a doubt. I tried to also consider how much “help” a player had. And nearly all of the other players on the list played on deeper teams. The 70s and 80s were an incredible time for the franchise.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 22, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta go with Phil Chenier

He did it for much longer – and was SO consistent. Don’t look past Phil’s accomplishments just because he had better teammates…. Playing on the 2005-06 Wizards, Phil might have scored 30 ppg…. As it was, the only reason Elvin Hayes was not double teamed every night is because Chenier would make them pay…. Add to that, the fact that Chenier was a two-way player and played pretty decent defense (something Arenas just does NOT want to do) – and he gets my vote.

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by Rook6980 on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a very tough call

I agree with everything you said Rook, but ultimately I gave Arenas a few extra points (if you will) for having a less deep team. I am surprised that Chenier hasn’t received any votes in the poll.

I was also surprised to see that Arenas played more total minutes than some who played nearly a full season more than him (Cal, Greevey & Riordan). Makes you wonder how much additional wear & tear he takes playing that amount of minutes. On the positive side, it provides him with more opportunity to score.

Another interesting side note. While I did not include it in the post, only one other player on this list attempted more shots that Gil. The Pearl. He put up about 1 more shot per game.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 22, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I voted GIl but wasn’t thinking about defense at all. Also, LOL at seeing Cheaney on this list.

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by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Rook 100%

As someone who has seen all of these players in action*, Phil was definitely the best. Earl comes in second and I’d put Arenas a close third, just ahead of Malone(who I admit is a sentimental favorite). Kevin Grevey never seems to get much appreciation either.

But polls like these are usually skewed to the newer players based on the simple fact that fans, correctly, will vote only on players they have seen(the exception being some “big name” players from the past)…so the older players suffer in polls.

  • Disclaimer, I only got to see Kevin Loughery play parts of two seasons, not his entire career with the Bullets.

by Mike Uhrich on Aug 23, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus

Where is Rod Strickland?

by Mike Uhrich on Aug 23, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably didn't play enough for the Wizards

I haven’t seen most of these guys play, so I won’t vote. By reputation, Phil and the Pearl definitely give Arenas a run for his money. With the big minimums set just for qualification, I think the implication is that “best” is definitely about career contribution. Based on that, doesn’t it have to be Phil?
So based on seeing them all, do you think Phil is the best player, or that he has had the best Wizard’s career?

by steadyhand on Aug 23, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best player

It’s too early to tell if he had the best career compared to Arenas because, obviously, Gil’s career here isn’t over yet.

If you compare players based solely on stats there really is no need for a poll because numbers are usually pretty straightforward.

Rook does a good job outlining Phil’s abilities in various posts in this topic so I won’t rehash those. I just believe after watching the team through the years that Phil was the most complete guard for the longest time.

by Mike Uhrich on Aug 25, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rod

He didn’t make it because the criteria that I used was 10,000 minutes of play and 5,000 points with the franchise.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 23, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rod Strickland was poison.

I LOVED watching him play, but I’ve never seen a player more destructive to a team in my life.

by MR on Aug 23, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fault

I somehow missed that paragraph listing the criteria after I made the jump.

by Mike Uhrich on Aug 25, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gilbert all the way

Carried the team on his back way more than any of the other players. Also pretty much single handedly won the Chicago playoffs series in 2005, which was the only series win we had in the big 3 era.

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by Area 51 Forever on Aug 22, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s hope he can get back to that form.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 22, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A pipe dream...but a fans job is to dream

I mean I dented my wall celebrating that shot he had in game 5. Hanging over chandler and hinrich and then the crowd going dead silent and all you hearing is our bench celebrating. I was also at the Milwaukee game where he hit that ridiculous game winning shot. When he’s on he is one of the most electrifying and dominant players in the league. Fingers crossed ol gil will return.

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by Area 51 Forever on Aug 22, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jazz

That game winner against utah where he threw his hands in the air before the shot went in.

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by Ateneo on Aug 23, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait! what about

Early Boykins and Mugsy Bogues?

by Todd L on Aug 22, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

He's better than half the guys on that list

I go with
Gil
Monroe
Strickland
Jeff Malone (seems similar statistically to Nick Young, actually)
Larry Hughes
Chenier

We really haven’t had a lot of good guards, it seems like every good Wizard or Bullet has been a power forward.

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by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 22, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Malone vs. Nick Young???

Jeff Malone was a starter from day 1, twice made the all star team, has a career average of over 20 points a game, actually played a little D. There’s no similarity to Nick Young. And I like Nick.

by hotplate on Aug 23, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got that right...

Malone was our rock for a long time. Never had any good teammates, and was incredibly consistent. He’s not getting nearly enough love here.

by YellaFella on Aug 23, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't ever never ever never ever....

mention Nick Young and Jeff Malone in the same breath!!! That is disrespectful to arguably someone who should be in the Bullets ring of fame. MJ said Jeff Malone was one of the toughest SG he ever had to guard. He personified the position of shooting guard!!

by JeffMalone#24 on Aug 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone here ever actually seen those old guys play?

More than just highlights? Like, multiple game?

It’s like asking a Lakers fan who grew up during the 90’s who the best Laker was/is…ynow what I mean?

by tw10 on Aug 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No

That’s why i voted for Gilbert. he’s the best one I have ever seen play. Looking at this story, Wiz have been lacking talent for a long time. I’m ready to see them seriously compete!

by qthaballa on Aug 22, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm basically the same

I was born in 85, and my Bullets memories start around the time Rasheed Wallace was a rookie. That said, I think the stats make it pretty obvious that Gil was our best guard, maybe Monroe was better.

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by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this case

stats lie. Pearl was significantly better than Arenas, and arguably so was Chenier.

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by Sean Fagan on Aug 23, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

For now

I am split between Earl and Gil.

Five to ten years from now… John Wall

by DT711 on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

What about...

Brent Price and Mark Price and Michael Adams and Mugsy Bogues???? Those guys are ballers!

by Unselds on Aug 22, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Phil Chenier was way before my time, but he’s got my vote. Seven playoff appearances, solid individual stats, two finals trips and a championship. If he wasn’t on the Bullets during that era, knock those playoff appearances down to 2-3 and the finals/championships to a combined zero.

by Tdav on Aug 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Phil Chenier

Phil’s resume is very impressive and I almost gave it to him. I guess you can say that I penalized some of the former Bullets on this list because many of their careers overlapped. Your job becomes a bit easier when you are surrounded by that much talent which includes your bench. It makes for an interesting discussion though.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

Most people look only at scoring – and it’s much easier to put up gaudy scoring numbers if you are the best player on a bad team (Arenas) – vs. a great player on a very good team (Chenier).

Better teammates means fewer scoring opportunities..

Let’s also remember that part of Arenas’ scoring numbers include his 3-point shooting…. The NBA adopted the three-point shot in the 1979-80 season ; after Chenier was injured… Chenier only played in 95 games after the advent of the 3-point shot – but he shot 40% from behind the arc during those games – Arenas’ career average from three is only 35.7%

Change 5 of Phil Chenier’s shot attempts to 3-point shots ; and assume he continued shooting 40% – and his career scoring average jumps from 17.2 to over 23 points per game; and during his prime, he would have been scoring at a 27 – 28 points per game clip.

Look at the whole picture – Defense, shooting, consistency, – and I think Chenier comes out ahead. From 1971-1977, he was the most consistent scoring guard I’ve ever seen. You could count on 20 points from him every night. (not 40 one night and 10 the next)….. He played defense – rebounded fairly well for a Shooting Guard – and if it had not been for a back injury in 1979 that cut his career short, he might have made it to the HoF.

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by Rook6980 on Aug 23, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent points

Yes, the three point line was one of the “rule changes” that I alluded to. That is one of many reasons that these cross-generational arguments are hard to make. For instance, is it harder to play defense now with some of the rules that prevent hand checking or when you could be much more physical in the past?

I still find these discussions fun particularly when you have them with people who saw many of these players play. Thanks, Rook.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Calbert Cheaney. All the other names on the list were not visible due to melting on my screen by THE MAN’s very mention.

by diplomaniac on Aug 23, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

YOU

Are one of the nine…. who are the others!?

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by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 23, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 of us now! He is the Sanjaya of this thread.

by diplomaniac on Aug 23, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Michael Jordan because of the long lasting imprint and legacy of success that he instilled in the entire franchise.

by MR on Aug 23, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I saw Earl the Pearl play once – it was in that Morgan Freeman movie with Ray Allen.

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by se7en on Aug 23, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That's still tied with Hoop Dreams for my favorite basketball movie

Space Jam gets points just for absurdity, though.

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by pantslessyoda1 on Aug 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arenas...

…belongs at #1. I think the minutes cutoffs are too high, though. Guys like Kevin Porter and Rod Strickland shouldn’t be excluded from consideration.

by TheSecretWeapon on Aug 23, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Its Earl the Pearl by a whisker for me

He played with a lot of good players but getting the Baltimore Bullets (under .500 during the season?) to that NBA Finals was one hell of an accomplishment and puts him just past Gilbert Arenas.

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by George Templeton on Aug 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

You are out of your mind! I can’t believe how consistently people forget defense is half the game…consistently. Folks, offense alone does not win championships. You need it of course, but you have to be able to keep your guy from putting up similar stats or your somewhere around .500. And as a franchise, I think our one championship in forty years provides solid evidence of that. And the late 70s bullets could defend with Unseld holding down the fort.

I am pretty sure that both Phil Chenier and the Pearl played much better defense than Gilbert- who is a complete no show on the mattter.

by les boulez bomber on Aug 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I do not disagree with you. Unfortunately, there are more stats available today then there were in their playing careers. It was not possible to included a comparison of the defensive stats across all of these players.

And the late 70s bullets could defend with Unseld holding down the fort.

Also one of the points that I made in the piece is that Chenier and Monroe played with better overall team talent – so in my opinion that should be taken into consideration. For example, does Gilbert’s defense improve if there is a center (like Wes) in the middle who people are literally afraid of? That’s a what if that we can’t answer, but my guess is the answer is yes.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 23, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

honest question

why is calbert cheaney on this list?

by DarrellWalkerFan on Aug 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Minutes & points

Good question – You had to have 10,000 minutes and 5,000 points for the franchise.

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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

so that explains the absence of ledell and steve colter.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Aug 24, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

DeShawn (AKA DeBrick)?

I mean, the man cannot feel his face. What can top that?

by diplomaniac on Aug 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There a lot of funny comments here...

Not sure if this one tops the MJ thing though.

by tw10 on Aug 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Guard?

No D. Walker? Chris Whitney anybody? How about this one- A J Friggin ENGLISH. One more- Michael “I had sex with C. Holdsclaw” Adams.

by BIGMIKEREESE on Aug 23, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Fun topic guys

You do a great job stirring the pot and keeping things lively during the offseason.

by MR on Aug 24, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, I've got to go with Ledell.

I can still remember sitting around a lunch table in middle school and the Street & Smith’s NBA preview was out, and there was some article touting Ledell Eackles as a hidden gem lurking in the Bullets backcourt. I think the author had projected his stats and took a real leap on some other arguments and was basically saying if he started and got most of the minutes on the team, he’d be right behind Jordan in terms of production.

We all got a good laugh out of “Leedle Eeekles” being compared to His Airness at the time.

by dgackey on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

How can you compare?

How is it possible to compare Gilbert Arenas with Earl the Pearl and Phil Chenier? Where did they take their teams and where has he taken his?
Also why weren’t Kevin Porter and Dave Bing put into the equation?

by BennyC4 on Aug 27, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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