Why Melo to D.C. is a pipedream
My feature on SB Nation D.C. about why there's pretty much no way to bring Carmelo home.
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Mike Prada
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Melo isn't really a DC guy anyway
It’d be nice to have him, but if we don’t, who cares?
Slightly OT: Is SB Nation D.C. going to be the main place for these posts now, or will there still be occasional ones here at BF?
Depends on the nature of the post
The deeper, more specific stuff stays here – the bigger picture stuff may sometimes go there, depending on the issue. But for the most part, longer stuff goes here.
Ultimately, I figured this was better for casual fans, since many on here get cap rules and stuff.
While his skills are evident
I was never big on his coming here anyway. The Wiz are finally trying to assemble a “team”(thanks to Ted) instead of a collection of stars and hope they somehow out streetball the other squad.
some notes
-we are not over the salary cap. We are, as far as I can tell, under the cap. therefore the 125% rule isn’t involved is it? The way that’s written it makes it sound like it is in effect even though we’re under the cap.
-Even if we are, there are pieces that work. Hinrich would be the big salary piece who also has value to a contender. Given that he’s the production piece I don’t see why the extra year on his deal brings anything to a halt. Add a mix of Yi, Nick Young and/or Al Thornton and the money works. Denver could even include Renaldo Balkman if need be. I don’t see a money-matching as the problem. They may want more picks included for him but it could easily work within the cap.
That aside I agree it doesn’t fit with Leonsis’ stated plans.
And I really disagree about Kirk
Why would they take on longer salary if they could just let Melo walk and save $8 million next year? Kirk’s not that important.
To elaborate on this
With 12 players, we’re at just under $54 million now. Cap holds for Oberto and Cartier Martin get us to $58 million. If we keep both Martin and Lester Hudson, that’s another $2 million. We could renounce Oberto to get like $2 million under the cap, but that’s pretty negligible and not enough to tilt the scales much.
Hinrich was just traded anyhow
If I am not mistaken, Melo for Hinrich will not work. Denver is over the cap, so you can not split it up. A third team would have to take Hinrich for next to nothing. If a team was willing, the Bulls would’ve done that. Instead, they had to offer a first round pick in order to move his contract. Hinrich has little value.
This is further fall out from the Hinrich/Yi trades.
I agree with Ted's plan
Plus it would be ill advised to try and take on Carmelo’s salary. His contract is very similar to Arena’s, and we are already trying to get that one of the books as is.
I personally think our roster now is good for what Ted is trying to accomplish for the long term. Except for maybe the center position, we have veteran leadership along with young talent. I think our roster for this opening night is pretty much set and just need to focus on getting the players gelling and ready to play team ball.
Thank you...
I get tired of all the inane BRING ’MELO TO DC FOR DRAFT PICKS/BLATCHE/MCGEE…hopefully this will stifle that outpour…
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by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 19, 2010 2:25 AM EDT reply actions
If Melo isn't traded until in-season
then I think our chances are significantly better. Josh Howard can’t be traded until after December 15 and the ability to include his contract gives us the numbers needed to swing a deal.
While Josh Howard has the power to veto any trade, his main focus this year has to be improving his stock for next summer. As long as he’s on a team where he can get significant playing time, he should be happy. The Wizards already helped him out by giving him $2.5 million more than anyone and it doesn’t look like he has a future here so why be opposed to a trade?
I actually agree on the point about no one really wanting Kirk for his contract so any deal would most likely have to include include Yi ($4m), Howard ($4m), Thornton ($2.8m), and Young ($2.6m). Of course there’s the possibility for one of our rookies to be included, but for the most part, those 4 combine for about $13.5m.
Now we most likely can’t trade these players straight up for Melo, but there’s always the opportunity for multi-team trades. Once we renounce the rights to Oberto and free up the extra $2 million in cap space, we may be able to move a couple of guys for an expiring and then package the expiring with a couple of prospects to Denver.
So maybe we do a deal to send Thornton and Young to Portland for Pryzbilla’s expiring deal (maybe a 2nd rounder too) and then flip it. Send Pryzbilla ($7.4m), Yi ($4m), Howard ($4m), and draft picks for Melo ($17.1m) and Balkman ($1.7).
But the key to all of this is that it can’t happen until after Dec. 15.
As long as he’s on a team where he can get significant playing time, he should be happy. The Wizards already helped him out by giving him $2.5 million more than anyone and it doesn’t look like he has a future here so why be opposed to a trade?
Because he loses his Bird Rights. That’s very big, because if Denver can’t get under the cap, they can only offer him the MLE (plus, it’s a lockout).
Well does it matter?
Other than maybe a S&T next summer. I thought we don’t have his Bird rights anyway because he’s on a one year deal and that’s why he can veto a trade. He has to know that we’re not gonna utilize his Bird rights next summer by signing him at 31 when we’re doing a youth movement.
And as far as Denver, with Melo off the books they will have a ton of room. That’s part of why Melo is considering bolting. Kenyon comes off the books, Nene might opt out if Melo leaves, and they have a team option on Chauncey.
I just see no reason in particular for Josh Howard to want to stay with the Wiz since we already paid him more than anyone else. We offer playing time. The Bird rights are moot if we don’t want to re-sign him.
No, we'd have his Bird Rights
He loses his Bird Rights if he’s traded.
I really don’t think he’s thinking like you either. I think he likes D.C. and thinks he could be an asset if he stayed.
The only real reason people accept losing their Bird Rights
Is if they’re entering a situation where they’ll play more. Nate Robinson and James Singleton weren’t playing at their former spots, so they were willing to sacrifice the Bird Rights to get more PT. Howard’s playing enough wherever he ends up.
Who is going to be traded twice in a row?
Pryzbilla? These deals don’t have to necessarily be done congruent. I thought that there was a window of time where you could turn around and flip a player, but I guess that’s what you’re talking about.
My main point is really that a couple of months into the season, unless there is some major breakout by Young or Thornton, we should utilize them to bring in a larger expiring contract as a trade chip. Pryzbilla was just a name that fit the bill. Get the expiring contract in December. Turn around and trade the expiring deal, J-Ho, Yi, and draft picks in February.
Unless there’s a big jump in performance, the expiring deal is more helpful to us than Young and Al. Why would a team send us the expiring? If we’re willing to utilize that sliver of cap space to relieve a team of a couple million in payroll, they may be interested in young players that will have the qualifying offer option in the summer.
Yes, Przybilla
You have to wait two months, meaning you basically have to do it the day after the Dec 15 deadline and then wait until just days before the Feb deadline. In the meantime, everyone else who wants Melo makes their best offers. It’s unrealistic to count on Denver waiting around for you for two months.
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