Hamady N'Diaye receives interest from Europe
by CJ Hempfield on Aug 10, 2010 10:08 PM EDT
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PrintIt appears that Hamady has drawn interest from Italy's Cimberio Varese which plays in Serie A league - which is Italy's highest league. Late last week it was reported that, "Cimberio Varese targets Hamady Ndiaye and Dwayne Collins."
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Cimberio Varese, lost Josh Heytvelt who will be staying in Roma, is seeking the market for starting big man for the coming season.
Two are the names that the Italian management is targeting, both selected in the 2010 NBA draft: Hamady Ndiaye and Dwayne Collins.
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Yeah it does sound like a good option but I would rather have the wizards sign him.
by wizardsfan1 on Aug 10, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Its good
If they can maintain his rights. I would rather see him develop as part of the team or possibly in the D-League. However, the money will likely be better for him in Europe.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 10, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember a formal announcement by the Wizards, but...
I did recall seeing these two reports some time ago – one by the Examiner and the other by a Clemson publication.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 10, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he goes to Europe for a few years....he'll have time to develop his game...
and by the time he comes back he should be a solid bench contributor.
If we dont sign him
and he goes to Europe, do we maintain his rights, if so, how long? Do we have to make him a qualifying offerto keep his rights as a second round pick? How does that work?
I assume that we hold first rights...
In the most recent cases Denver had the first rights to Kleiza and Atlanta to Childress, but both ceded the rights to teams (Raptors, Suns) that basically bid more than theit original teams were willing to pay. But both players were the “property” of their original NBA teams. Same goes for players like Splitter and Scola, who stayed in Europe after they were drafted but remained under the control of the original drafting team etc.
I think that it would be in N’Diaye’s and the Wizards best interest for him to be a starter for an Italian “A” League team. That’s a higher brand of ball than the D League, and his pay will be WAY higher. The only disadvantage is that the Wizards could not call him up in mid-season. Plus that leaves the Wizards no choice but to bring on an experienced big man to push McGee in practice and for PT… Armstrong may yet surprise but I cannot see all the eggs residing in his basket.
Came across this article today by the NBA.com’s Art Garcia. It touches on some similar questions.
It appears that if Hamady were to sign a contract to play internationally the Wiz would retain his rights. If they did not sign him to a contract and he signed with the NBDL then they would lose his rights. As others have said, they could sign him and then assign him to the Dakota Wizards, but that means he would occupy a spot on the big team’s roster.
Interesting article by Art Garcia, he talks about some of the proposed changes to the NBDL assignment rules, but those changes would need to be negotiated as part of the CBA process.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 18, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I understand it
We retain his rights as long as he is playing pro somewhere.
To be honest, I’m sure this is part of the Wiz’s plans. I doubt that Big H signs in Europe against the wishes of an NBA team that wants him.
Good point....
It’s hard to imagine the Italian team “going after” someone before they’ve spoken with the NBA team and gotten their blessing.
If this Italian league is that good, I’m all for him going, unless Wiz management think he’ll get 15-20 min/game here – those are real minutes in the NBA for 82 games, which I think would be preferable. Otherwise, arrivederci Hamadi!
Not all second round picks get signed
There just aren’t enough roster spots. Many teams talk to potential draftees about playing in Europe first to develop. Ultimately its up to Hamady not the Italian team or the Wizards. he will get more money over there in the short term.
He kinda looks like Kwame Brown
Let’s hope he doesn’t play like him.
Its my understanding
That this was the plan since he was drafted. He’s a draft and stash. This has always been the best possible route for him.
I'm hoping he does go to Europe.
As someone before me said, N’Diaye going to Europe is beneficial for both him and the team. We retain his rights (the only way we would lose them is if we renounced or traded them) as long as he’s playing pro ball. If he sits out for a year, he can opt out of the obligation and become a free agent but no one in their right mind, with money for the taking waiting overseas, would do that. This way we keep his rights, he gets to develop some while playing major minutes, and he makes some money. Better competition & more money than playing in the D-League, win-win.
Now let’s pickup a veteran big.
The article also mentions Josh Heytvelt
He performed respectably in last years summer league for the Wizards, but they were looking for experience. Any chance the Wizards would take another look at him, especially with a year in Europe under his belt?
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Aug 11, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Allow me to be Jon L's advocate for a moment
If we view him as a project player, why not give him burn in the D-League? He would get more experience in an NBA system and he would be on call to play for Washington if there was ever an injury problem with one (or more) of the bigs. I just don’t see what advantage he would get in Europe that he wouldn’t get playing with Dakota.
True, but...
That contract is likely to be around $450K. The Wizards can surely afford that price. The money isn’t the issue it is likely a question of where will he develop the quickest in Europe or D-League. Like Jake, I would rather have him close in case of an urgent need, due to injury.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No I didn't mean the money
I meant the clock on his rookie contract. Before we have to re-up him for big money when he becomes the next Mutumbo.
I see your point.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 11, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If he becomes the next Mutumbo it'll be worth it
And maybe he’s more likely to become that here in the U.S. Good point though.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Aug 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if he's in the D-League, that's still a roster spot
Whereas he doesn’t count if he goes to Europe.
space and time
technically its a combination of both. We don’t want to waste a roster spot on a guy who needs another year of seasoning when he can play overseas and not count toward the roster or a year toward free agency. If we could “designate him” as a D Leaguer without using a spot the team might be open to it. But would he? I think he gets more overseas in the short term.
And from his perspective...
Financially speaking, he will likely make a bit more overseas as well. That’s if he wants to go. He may want to play in the NBA now, which might force the Wizards hand.
It will be interesting to see how this situation plays itself out.
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by CJ Hempfield on Aug 11, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why i look at it this way
But i feel like the organization essentially chose Hilton Armstrong over N’Diaye. I was never sure of what the point was of getting Armstrong. I know Wiz needed insurance for the consistently inconsistent Mcgee but why not use N’Diaye? Is Armstrong really that much better? More experienced definitely but, well, i don’t know.
you're right, to an extent
They’ve chosen Hilton over Hamady this year not forever. This allows them to push the asset into the future without losing his rights. He also doesn’t have a year in the NBA that goes toward free agency.
Hilton may not be a world beater but he is way ahead of Hamady. We don’t need a XL question mark as a back up to our L sized question mark.
I know many of you guys are fine with the draft we had, but when we were done I had a feeling that we would have guys we drafted not playing for us next year. Seraphin already and now N’Diaye? Never liked the move for those guys.
we know
Hamady was picked DEEP in the second. Not all of those guys even get contracts tendered to them. Why is it so important for you that a second round pick make an impact as a rookie? Isn’t it more important that he contributes in his 2nd and 3rd year?
I keep seeing references to immediate help… from draft picks. Why is it so important they contribute this season?
its one thing to not like the moves, but once that becomes a dislike for the players themselves its time to take a break from the Internet.
Good. He better be.
I can’t believe we wasted all of our draft picks on young players.
by MR on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Irony
This still bugs me so I’m going to keep jabbering about it…
We got the most NBA-ready guy in the draft in JW. We picked the first senior in the draft, a 4 year ACC veteran tough guy. Then we balanced that with the best “prospect” available in Serpahin. I see some great balance there.
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