Who Would you Trade John Wall For Right Now?
by Jon Kelman on Jul 5, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintSo I may or may not already have pulled this gimmick for Stephen Strasburg, but I want to extend the idea to the man who has not even played one professional minute. Clearly the evaluation is different for Wall than Strasburg, as Pitching Jesus may already be the most valued commodity in baseball.
I am using the NBA trade value column that Sports Guy does for ESPN with one major tweak, I want to remove salary considerations. For those of you too lazy for the link, Bill Simmons creates a yearly list of the 40 most valuable trade commodities in the NBA and I am going to use his column to find the players the Wizards would consider trading John Wall for right now; I am shocked at how short the list of comparable players is.
Here is the list of guys that I think the Wizards would at least consider for the 19 year old Great Wall (with age and Sports Guy ranking in parentheses and in order listed by Sports Guy) after the jump:
- Blake Griffin (21 yrs, #23 in the trade value list) - The word was that Wall would have been the #1 pick over him if not for that pesky 1-and-done rule. The knee injury also isn't doing his stock any favors.
- Rajon Rondo (24 yrs, #16) - The Sports Guy list was created 4 months ago, and it is safe to say that Rondo has made a leap from #16.
- Tyreke Evans (20 yrs, #15) - An interesting case, as Wall appears to have more upside, but has not played a season in the NBA to prove himself like Tyke.
- Brooke Lopez (22 yrs , #14) - As valuable as PGs are, it is hard to overlook the 'big over small' adage, and Lopez is the best young center in the league behind Howard.
- Chris Bosh (26 yrs, #12) - This could bring some flack, but Bosh is a proven player with a good 6+ years left at an elite level. Wall has the chance to be the best player on a championship team, and although Bosh didn't win much in Canada, he is a certain #2 on a championship team.
- Deron Williams (25 yrs, #10) - This would be a no-brainer despite the 6 year age difference.
- Brandon Roy (25 yrs, #9) - The knee is a concern, but also a no-brainer.
- Derrick Rose (21 yrs, #8) - The most interesting comparison for me. Wall has more upside than Rose, and should turn out better, but Rose has proven himself over the past 2 seasons.
- Chris Paul (25 yrs, #7) - His stock has tumbled with the knee injury and play of Darren Collison. He is still ridiculous though.
- Carmelo Anthony (26 yrs, #6) - Maybe Wall's teammate in 2011, but another no brainer for the Wiz.
- Dwayne Wade (28 yrs, #4) - The oldest guy on my list. I just can't see the Wizards taking on a Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan when the Leonsis plan is to build through youth for long term success.
- Kevin Durant (21 yrs, #3) - He will move into the #2 spot this year and might be the 2nd best player in the league next year.
- Dwight Howard (24 yrs, #2) - Don't forget that he was almost the best player on a championship team a year ago.
- Lebron James (25 yrs, #1) - No comment needed.
After looking over that 14 man list, my #s 6-14 are no-brainers, except for Derrick Rose. I think the most comparable players in value are Rose, Evans, Bosh and Lopez. I personally would take Wall over Evans because of the upside, marketing ability, and Wall's relative unselfishness. Bosh I can't see because of age and lack of winning in Toronto; he needs to have a Lebron or Wade next to him, which is a huge indictment. I actually think Lopez and Rose are the closest comparables, although both have to be considered more valuable than Wall at this moment because of time spent in 'the association'.
I am trying my best not to be an absolute homer, but seeing Blake Griffin at #23 after his injury confirms that Wall is one of the top 20 or so most valuable commodities in the league right now, before even playing one minute. The scary part is that he could very easily move into the top-10 before the end of his first season. So tell what you think, did I miss anyone? Would you take Brooke Lopez or Derrick Rose for John Wall right now?
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nope
not Bosh, not Griffin, not Evans…..
I’d consider Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Dwyane Wade, or Kevin Durant….
I wouldn’t consider trading Wall for any of the rest….
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dno bout d-wade
he’s 28, he’s super good but its not like we’d win with wade and this roster this year, and we’d only be able to win like one year with wade, but with wall we can contend for much more
by Young Wook Lee on Jul 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I would worry about how much longer wade will be elite
He’s undersized, very reliant on quickness, and has a history of injuries. Three years from now, I’m thinking he hits a wall a la ai or Steve Francis
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hard to say
i’d consider brook lopez… i love his game, and i think the center position the most important position in the game… tho point guard’s stocks are rising fast, I think it’d be easier to find a great point guard compared to a great center, the only reason why i’d hesitate is the fact that i think john wall has the potential to be more than great…
I'd let him go for any of those guys, except..
Griffin, Bosh or Rose. Proven commodities, etc. Brook Lopez? I think not.
Yep
Cp3 and okafor for Gil and wall might work, too. Williams is about what I think wall will become, but he’s a couple years older and much more expensive
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 5, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd throw Dwight and LeBron in there
But yeah, that’s it. Not worried about getting proven talent now.
James, Howard, Durant, and Rose are the only ones I would do it for.
The Wiz need many players before they can win so I would only trade for the couple “older” guys who are media/marketing champs as well as talents that can carry a team, or the two biggest of the “young” stars who are young enough to build with for several years. Though Deron and Paul are absolutely sick players, I see Wall as a much better star for marketing and likely to end up in their class as a player if not better so to me that is a wash. I would also say Griffin, but the knee is too big of a red flag for this team given our recent history. Roy is a tough one, I’m a firm believer in having a guy who fills that role of go-to 2 guard and he is a great player, I’m just not sure whether he is “that guy” to build around and I’m not sure you get the same player on an east coast team if you get him.
Really, I would have been 100% behind trading the Wall pick prior to the draft if it was to trade down to pick 2,3,4, or 5 this year plus a 1st rounder next year since the Wiz are better off with more high lottery picks given their current roster. I thought 4 of the top 5 picks this year were safe picks for legit good/great NBA players (not sold on Wes Johnson). Throw in the fact that we are somewhat stuck with Gil for the time being and it made even more sense given Wall is a pg. But……it ain’t happening, Flip is already writing his valentines letter to Wall.
I'd rather have the unknown behind Wall
over all except James, Howard, and Durant, but Lebron I’d rather route against so no thanks.
Durant is definitely the number one choice.
I think he could surpass LeBrick relatively soon as the “#1” player in the league, although I still feel Kobe holds that title. I’m taking most of the point guards off the list because hopefully Wall will be better than them (Rondo, Rose, Evans). CP3 is injury prone now. Deron Williams is the only one I would consider. He is proven, perhaps the best PG in the league and is still relatively young.
I will take QueenJames off the list because of personal reasons, I wouldn’t even trade Oberto for him straight up.
Dwight Howard is in a similar boat to Durant, young and dominant. Wade, Melo, and Bosh have to much wear and tear on them already. Wall will hopefully be a dominant PG for the next 12 years. Lopez is questionable but I don’t see him being as much of a game changer as Wall could be.
Durant and Dwight, that’s it.
The excitement of the unknown means
I have to take a “no thanks” to them all. Flip Saunders has a history of developing PG’s and has worked with some very good ones and he is on record as saying Wall can revolutionize the position. I want to see the Wizards, develop their own talent and see that talent become the best in the league.
Is everyone omitting Lebron because he's obvious, or do well just hate him that much?
I’m also not seeing any love for Wade, Melo, or Brandon Roy.
Sounds like most people are taking the POV that a team at rock bottom is better off ‘rolling the dice’ with the unproven rookie with crazy upside instead of taking the slightly more proven lower ceiling Rose and Lopez.
To be clear, I think Wall over Griffin is an easy call, and not just by Wiz fans. Wall has always been the better prospect (at least for 2+ years), and that was before having a great year at KU while Griffin had a serious knee injury.
i hate lebron way too much
wade, melo, and roy have already peaked. i would much rather start fresh with a 20 year old phenom. wade would give us a chance too win soon with a couple more pieces but i like the idea of having wall for the next 12 years or so.
Honestly?
Absolutely no one. Not even Durant. It’s like blackjack. I love the gamble of it.
ANYONE SEE LANCE STEPHENSON STAT LINE???
FG 8-10
21 points
4 rebounds
2 assists
Yeah
But he is a ticking time-bomb. A Mike Vick of bball, extremely talented but is almost certain to bring off the floor issues.
But there is no risk...
for a guy we can sign for the league minimum
Maybe his attitude, but not his game
He doesn’t have JR’s range or hops.
Lance reminds me of a poor man’s LeBron without the passing skills and hops…he bullies his way to the basket….selfish, strong player.
I’ve been a big fan of his since high school….Always thought he was worthy of a first round pick. I wish the Wizards would’ve taken a chance on this guy. I know he doesn’t fit the “high-character” player mold…but still one of my favorite guys…missed the game today though i was at work.
Just watch the highlights
I take back what i said about him not being able to pass…he threw a beautiful no look pass to Magnum Rolle….
On a Somewhat Related Note
Daniel Orton Got his 3 and 3
by NOVAHOOSIER on Jul 6, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here comes the inevitable string of "x-player had a fabulous game in the summer league! He'll dominate the league" posts
I love summer, because it’s filled with hope. In so many ways, the best season is the off-season.
Yeah, I remember last summer when Nick Young looked like the next Reggie Miller
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And Taser looked like he had a jumpshot
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I would trade JWall for....
LBJ, Dwight Howard and maybe DWade or Kevin Durant.
Definitely not DRose, BRoy, Melo, or Bosh.
by John Park Williams on Jul 5, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
I think Wall is being tremendously overrated right now
Sure he’ll probably be successful, but he’s definitely a gamble. I see him putting up numbers similar to Derrick Rose; 20 and 6, hopefully 20 and 8. The x factor will definitely be his shooting, but if he can keep that under control and get APG up there, he’s a great player. But that’s not a sure bet, so there are a decent amount of players I would take for him straight up. The only requirement would be that they are pretty young. Of the players on that list, I would take Bosh, Durant, LeBron, Rondo, Lopez, Williams, Paul, and DHoward for Wall.
I also disagree with the notion that Chris Bosh can’t be the number one option on a championship team. He’s more than qualified for that. If the Bulls use their cap space to sign him and a few good role players, they are easily a championship contender.
what could Wall do right now..
to not be considered overrated? Without the opportunity to play yet it can only be hype, but overrated I don’t think is the right word.
over valued?
He hasn’t played a minute in the league yet some people wouldn’t trade him for the league MVP.
Overvalued
that’s the word I was looking for. Perfect
by zl on Jul 7, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
1) a lot of us don’t want Lebron at any price, so why would we want him for Wall?
2) why shouldn’t we want our own young star to develop? Maybe some of us would rather have a brand new Honda than a 6 year old BMW. And considering that our Honda may turn out to be a brand new BMW, some of us would like to take that chance. Dang, what a twisted analogy
3) I’d rather have a star PG than a star SG, SF, or PF. I just enjoy watching great PGs play.
4) I don’t think anyone here is saying Wall is BETTER THAN many of these players, just that we’d rather have him.
by MR on Jul 7, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there anybody that actually isn't sick of Lebron yet?
Shaq in his prime didn’t love himself like this. Hell, Bono may not even love himself this much. And that’s saying something.
You're absolutely delusional if you wouldn't trade Wall for Paul, Williams, Rondo, Howard, or Durant
Wall does not have the potential to be as good as Williams, Paul, or Rondo. He’s never going to be as good of a shooter as Williams or Paul, and he’ll never have the court vision of Rondo. Dwight Howard is Dwight Howard; there are very few players who I wouldn’t trade for him straight up. Every one here agrees that KD is also an obvious yes. Those guys are no brainers. There are a couple others who I would trade Wall for, but those are definitely more debatable
by zl on Jul 7, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure I'm not delusional
I don’t know what evidence you would have from watching Wall’s one year of college ball to simply say he doesn’t have the potential of those other guys. Rondo has big holes in his game to go with his strengths and I don’t know anyone who would list court vision as one of his strong points. Wall showed in college specifically that he had outstanding court vision, his passing and distributing was excellent. What I saw was that in some games he carried the scoring, in others he set up his teammates to score, and in others he played hustle defense to get wins. If nothing else, the guy has top end potential. I’m not convinced that it will translate yet, but I certainly can’t say he has LESS potential than any of the top PG’s we’ve seen drafted in the last 10-15 years.
to be clear
I agree on Howard, Durant, and I’m on the fence for Williams and Paul. The only reason I would not include Paul is that we just dealt with a PG with a major leg injury and there is no way I’d take on that risk again. Deron is another I’d probably go either way on, but I feel like he is at his peak and his lack of athleticism will catch up with him sooner than some other guys. You have maybe 3 more years of peak play from him. Not sure that is worth Wall when we don’t have anyone on our team worth anything. It will take 3-5 years to even dream of competing barring some blockbuster signings or trades.
I also disagree with the notion that Chris Bosh can’t be the number one option on a championship team. He’s more than qualified for that.
Bosh couldn’t even get the Raptors to the playoffs in the East this year. I know he had no help, but a star can at least put his team in the top 8. I do think he will only get better, but in a sport like basketball where an individual can have so much influence, imho Bosh is slightly overrated.
I disagree with that idea
The notion that a player is not a star because he can’t lead any team to the playoffs is ludicrous. The best player in the league contributes at most 30 or so wins to his team, not nearly enough to make the playoffs. It is more than necessary to have good role players surrounding a star for a team to be successful.
by zl on Jul 7, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
8th seed in the east shouldn’t have been that hard to attain.
I agree that there are many factors to success, but it does seem that Toronto goes and gets pretty decent talent and then under-achieves EVERY year.
by MR on Jul 7, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
DWade got his team to the playoffs with about the same amount of talent around him. I’m not gonna say that Bosh can’t be a number one in the future, but this is the second year in a row that he couldn’t take his team to the playoffs in the East.
The best player in the league contributes at most 30 or so wins to his team, not nearly enough to make the playoffs.
(Idk if he is the best player,) But there is no way you can say that LeBron only gave his team 30 wins this year.
I’m not expecting Bosh to be Lebron. And I know the Raptors were one game away, but simply—if you want to be considered a “number one option on a championship team,” you should be able to take your team to the playoffs in the East.
LeBron James contributed 27.8 wins in 08-09
I’m guessing he produced a similar amount in ’10.
http://www.wagesofwins.com/Cleveland0809.html
by zl on Jul 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s trade Yi, then trade Wall straight up for Yi. Sounds like an Ernie Grunfeld move to me.
by Alex Reed on Jul 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dammit Kleman
I was honestly about to post a poll that was pretty much like this…except I was going to ask would you trade Wall for Derrick Rose or Tyreke Evans…
Case by case...
1.Blake Griffin – The knee makes it an easy no, but that could easily change by mid-season.
2.Rajon Rondo – I could go either way.
3.Tyreke Evans – No thanks.
4.Brooke Lopez – No thanks.
5.Chris Bosh – Hmm….no.
6.Deron Williams – Tough one, but I’d rather keep Wall.
7.Brandon Roy – No thanks.
8.Derrick Rose – No thanks.
9.Chris Paul – Yeah, can’t pass him up.
10.Carmelo Anthony – Really tough choice, but I’ll roll the dice on Wall.
11.Dwayne Wade – Could go either way.
12.Kevin Durant – Of course..
13.Dwight Howard – Hell yes.
14.Lebron James – From a basketball perspective, yes. As a Wizards fan, hell no.
I agree with you for the most part
But I think you’d have to consider Derrick Rose…he is one helluva player…
and Deron Williams is arguably the best point gaurd in the world right now…not sure how you couldn’t take him.
I think Wall's ceiling is higher than Rose's
Although Wall’s floor is probably lower too, but I’m guessing Wall will be the better player.
DWill is already 26 and I’m not quite as impressed with him as most people are. He is peaking right now and could only lead a talented supporting cast to a 5 seed. I’m guessing Wall will be better in 2-4 years. I wouldn’t be heartbroken with a swap though.
Every report I've heard
seems to say the Wall’s floor is Derrick Rose.
Here's an interesting question
Would you trade Wall to be able to go back in time and not have Gerald Wallace tear Arenas’ knee?
Well it seems wrong to say no from a moral standpoint...
but we probably would still be stuck in mediocrity had that not happened…we would have remained the team that was good but not quite good enough to win 50 games.
So no, I would not trade Wall…
YES!
Without question!
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by SkinsWizStangs on Jul 6, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’m not sure which answer surprises me. I think I would take the trade, but it could be because I’m reminiscing about the days when we were competitive, and Arenas was dropping 50 and 60.
Kinda like Brandon Roy
The two previous seasons Brandon Roy got about 22 points and 5 asts shooting ~48%.
The season he hurt his knee and the season before that, Gilbert got 28 and 6, shooting ~43%. And Gilbert was about the same age then as Roy is now.
So I think that if you would trade Wall for Roy now, you would have to say yes to this question. I think this is a good way to look at this hypothetical trade, bc it takes out the bias +/- Gilbert
Depends on what you're looking for
He’s a better scorer, no doubt.
That FG% is misleading
Their eFG percentages are almost identical. Gilbert at his best is definitely a better player than Roy at his best
by zl on Jul 7, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Question
Yes to Williams, Paul, Anthony, Wade, Durant, Howard, James, without hesitation. Rondo, Rose and Bosh are toss-ups, and the rest I’d say no.
The Wizards have potentially the youngest superstar in the league
and he plays the PG, which is tied for most important position with C. The Wiz have 3 years to put talent around him to be competitive and you can argue that none of the other superstars would give the Wizards that luxury.
tweek my comment
Durant is the main exception, but Rose, Evans, Griffin, Lopez are all young enough to have time to rebuild with them. I think Wall is better then those 4 right now though.
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