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Xavier Henry's Potential Hold Out


(First off, I'd like to say how proud I am of our team for showing up and dominating the Summer League the way they did. Though the other teams were often over matched by our superior young talent, I feel like our guys played hard and set themselves on the right track to see a lot of action during the pre-season and hopefully into October)

I want to start this post by saying that this is PURE speculation. I have not heard rumors or rumblings about a potential deal going down. But I gotta admit, I've got a HUGE man crush on Xavier Henry and after watching some footage of him and Wall playing together for the Olympic Team (which I have looked for on youtube but can't find) I am convinced that  they could  be one of the most dynamic back courts in the NBA.

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I have voiced my discontent, just as many of you have, over our inability to add a perimeter player who plays defense and can stroke the 3 so far this off season. Free agency was full of these type of tweener players but EG and company chose to stand pat, which I agreed with. Most of those guys received inflated contracts because of all the teams vying for their services, so it was smart not to get into a bidding war for guys that probably won't help our team in the long run.

The draft is where we had our chance and I feel like we let a golden opportunity slip through our hands by not doing more to break into the lottery. I feel like we have a chance (though it may be close to nada) to now make a move and truly go all in to a rebuild/ youth movement. 

Henry, Grizzlies Still Disagree On Deal

So the jist of this article is that Grizzlies are currently un-willing to pay Henry the extra 400-600K or 20%  accelerated contract that he should be getting because he was the 12th pick. I got that approximate number by factoring the 20% into the 2009 12th picks (Gerald Henderson) contract.

Looking at the Grizzlies roster the only contracts that will be on their books after this season are those of Greivis Vasquez, Rudy gay, Hasheem Thabeet, O.J. Mayo, Sam Young and DeMarre Carroll. Next year's off season is going to be huge for them because if they want to keep this young core together, they'll have to shell out hefty contracts to Gasol and Mayo. I'm not sure if Mayo has a player option, but if he can I'm sure he'd opt out of his current deal.

They still  have not filled their hole at point guard. Mike Conley Jr. is clearly a bust for where he was drafted, and I'm sure they'll want to move on from that experiment. Luckily for them we have a log jam of pg's.

I propose trading Gilbert Arenas (4 yrs/ $17,730,694 for 10-11), Nick Young (1y/ $2,630,503), conditional 1st rounder (top 5 protected?) for Zach Randolph (1yr/ $17,666,666), Xavier Henry and his projected 3 year deal with a yearly average of about $2.1 million, and a 2nd round pick in either 2011 or 2012.

Looking at ESPN's Trade Machine,  if Henry signs his deal, this would work out perfectly.

Why would the Griz pull the trigger on this deal?

They don't have first round pick next year since they gave it up to Utah in the Ronnie Brewer deal, and  considering how many expiring deals they have coming up, they'll surely want to acquire a couple of picks to help fill out their roster.

Most importantly for them, this trade would take them out of rebuilding. With the possible departures of Tony Parker (this year or next via FA) and the inevitable decline of Jason Kidd, the Grizzlies would have the best point guard in their division. The Grizzlies have been running a system similar to the one we ran at the end of last season which includes two inter changeable guards in their back court. That could be because of Conley's inability to hold down the point, or maybe Mayo's versatility, but regardless it wouldn't be different from what they had. Arenas and Mayo would their two starting guards. Both of them have been highly criticized through their careers for not being able to play nice with other guards. This move would give Gil a fresh start and a chance to prove he can lead a team as the point, which I believe would make him very willing to share the ball so he can continue to prove his detractors wrong as he's done his entire career.

Add that to Rudy Gay as their budding all-star and a very promising Marc Gasol and they have a perennial play-off contender. It seems as if they've been in rebuilding mode ever since they made the move to Memphis. Arenas would finally make them competitive.

This move would give them their first franchise superstar since Gasol departed through that ridiculous trade to LA a few years ago. It would also make Michael Heisley a ton of money through ticket sales, merchandise sales and more national exposure.

Though he's got red flags, Gilbert is still an elite NBA player. As far as other PG's available, Chris Paul would be the only other comparable player looking for a trade, but a trade for him would likely command many more future assets, as well as possibly two of their core 3 guys. Chris Paul would be put right back into the situation he's currently in, and he'd likely do everything in his power to block such a deal so that would be a dead end anyways.

There's no chance they pull in Tony Parker via free agency in 2011, and after that there is a huge drop off talent wise with the other FA point guards. Arenas is an attainable star that they could have for relatively cheap price.

In addition, they get an experienced wing with range and some serious ups for next year, and if he proves to be the inconsistent Nick Young that we all love, they'll be ok because he comes off the books after the season.

Why would the Wiz pull the trigger?

I know it seems like we're giving up a ton here. Our former franchise player who if there were no politics considered, would command a hell of a lot more through a trade. Ted Leonsis has expressed his desire to build through the draft so giving up a future first rounder would also be a possible road block. But if you consider the potential benefits this deal has a ton of upside.

First of, it'd get rid of Gil's contract. That alone would be huge. It would mean more flexibility as far as adding talent through volume to our roster. That $17 million could go a long way to adding 2-3 young contributors that could serve a multitude of roles to our team. We could also use it to trade for other expiring deals while picking up more draft picks in the process.

Zach Randolph is coming off an all-star appearance so his stock has to be the highest it's been in a while. If we kept him, it'd allow us to feature him and Blatche in our front court which would give us two very skilled big guys that can spread the floor and help deflect some attention away from John Wall. Randolph is great in the half court and would alleviate Wall from having to make something happen on every play. Though that would be nice, I doubt our FO would be game. Randolph's presence would take important minutes away from some of our young talent like McGee, Booker, Yi, Seraphin and Hamady N'Diaye. So buy him out and let him go where he pleases, and be happy that your not paying Gilbert that same amount yearly for the next half decade.

 

Now, here's a look at some of Xavier Henry's Strengths according to draftexpress.com

  • Commitment to playing defense and defensive fundamentals with a 7 foot wing span
  • 3 pt range and 3 pt shooting percentage
  • Intelligence, Passing Ability
  • Athleticism, Size for position, NBA body

You guys want a perfect compliment to Wall? Henry is it. I am not sold on Lester Hudson or Cartier Martin as legitimate NBA players. Getting the first pick came with a lot of luck, but it also comes with responsibility. It is the franchises duty to responsibly surround our #1 pick with the best talent possible. Picking guys off of D- league rosters isn't going to cut it.

Providing John with a fellow highly recruited 19 year-old could prove invaluable. A good example of this from teams in the League would be Jeff Green and Kevin Durant. I'm not saying that Durant wouldn't have been the star he is without Green, but I don't think it'd be unreasonable to suggest it certainly helped. Whether it's on or off the court, having a go to guy like that could help relieve some of the rigors that come with being a young star and potentially help Wall become and even better player. Isn't that the whole point?Long term we want to get the maximum potential out of John.

This logic would work both ways, as Wall's presance could help take pressure off of Henry and allow him to develop. Just look back at the OKC model, Jeff Green has been in the starting lineup since his rookie year and he only continues to improve. Having Durant by his side has elevated his game and confidence to a level that may not have been reached without KD. Again it's hard to say that he couldn't have gotten there by himself, but it's clear that they have benefited from playing with each other.

Now I ask you, what seems like a better situation for JW2? Having a couple of un-proven inexperienced prospects who've yet to get significant playing time in the league, and a former franchise star breathing down your neck, waiting for you to slip up so he can reclaim his throne in the city that he once owned OR a sharp shooting, defensive minded stud who has had successful experiences playing with Wall and who would likely give us a long term answer to our hole at shooting guard.

If I were Henry I'd be the happiest person in the world if this happened. Looking at the situation from his point of view, Memphis has a crowd on the perimeter. Rudy Gay has solidified himself as their SF of the present and the future. He's 23 years old and starting to enter his prime as a player. Any one sitting behind him should not expect to see consistent minutes barring a serious injury. O.J. Mayo has a lot of potential at shooting guard. He came into the league with a lot of hype and big time expectation. They've experimented with him at the point but he has been the most effective when he plays the off guard position. Factor in Vasquez  as a combo guard who's off to a great start with his summer league campaign, as well as Tony Allen who they just signed to a 3 year deal and there aren't a whole lot of minutes left over for Henry.

In DC he would be able to compete for a starting spot this year. At the very least he would be a huge upgrade depth wise to the current shooting guards on our roster. He can also play the 3, which is in my opinion the thinnest position on our roster. But this kid seems like he's ready to play now and though I wouldn't expect to start every game as he did with the Jay hawks last year, I do believe he would be a starter by the all-star break.

IMO, Arenas is our biggest road block when it comes to rebuilding. It doesn't make any sense and I believe it could be a potential formula for disaster. But unfortunately for us, outside of unloading him to NY for Eddy Curry's Expiring deal, our options with Gil seem very limited.

Looking ahead to the 2011 draft, if  we landed a pick in the top 5, we would be able to keep the pick because it would be protected, and Memphis would then receive our 2012 first rounder possibly unprotected. As we've learned from this years draft, the lottery is unpredictable. But considering the additions we've made it is likely that we could be picking anywhere from the 6-12 spots. Just like the 2010 draft, there is a large drop off in talent after the first 5 picks. Why not speed up the process and essentially bring in that mid-lottery prospect this year and give him another year to grow and improve next to John Wall. I know you guys want us to be the OKC Thunder of the East, and this would be the perfect chance to make that happen.

Our potential line up would look like this:

EG has gone on record saying that he wants to add a veteran big man and wing player through free agency. I believe we'll play FA by ear and add someone who can play both the 2 and 3, and whose started some games in the NBA in case we gotta plug them in for the year. Hudson and Martin remain possibilities, but I hope EG would address this with more experience. Armstrong is far from a lock to make this team, if he under performs during TC or pre-season, we could bring in someone like Oberto to give us a veteran presence in our very young front court.

All in all though, that roster would provide us with the platform to grow and add a few pieces if necessary for the next few years before we starting competing for the Eastern title and hopefully a championship. It would be any GM's dream to have a team so full of young, inexpensive talent and cap space to do what he pleases. As long as we remain committed to developing our talent and steer clear of any silly FA signings (Etan Thomas), we could be looking at a potential dynasty in our Nations Capital.

(sorry about the fonts, they got messed up when I was trying to put pictures into the post)

This represents the view of the user who wrote the FanPost, and not the entire Bullets Forever community. We're a place of many opinions, not just one.

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bored on a sunday

but just like all of ya’ll, I’m really excited about the future of this young, talented team.

by Spanky731 on Jul 18, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I would go crazy if this deal happened, but I just dont think that the grizzlies are that desperate.

They think that Zack Randolph still has value, and probably still have the hopes of being able to hold on to Xavier Henry.
They also probably think that Arenas’s’ value has diminished (which it has) and that he is not worth the risk
If this deal happened (which I would go crazy about), I think that a better lineup woulpd be
PG: John Wall
SG: Kirk Hinrich
SF: Xavier Henry
PF: Zach Randolph
C: Andray Blatche

But I think this deal is VERY unlikely.

by Gchaimso on Jul 18, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, you say keeping Gil is impossible b/c of his baggage

And you propose trading for Zach Randolph?

I’m just trying to follow your logic here.

by Mike Prada on Jul 18, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

if you are talking to me,

i think the point of the trade would be to acquire a good, young SF, who fits into what the Wizards are trying to accomplish (get good character guys who play defense). the zach randolph portion of the deal would only be just as a bonus incentive for them to pull the trigger on such a trade. I would like it more, however if the wizards could make a different deal only for Henry by himslef.

by Gchaimso on Jul 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The drug kingpin...seriously

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 19, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Randolph worked so hard and rehabbed his image...

…and then THAT…ugh…

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 19, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

just say no

to the Z-Bo.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Jul 19, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Z-Bo's contract is expiring

just pay him to stay home. I’d be all for the proposed trade

by John Park Williams on Jul 20, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, comparing Gilbert Arenas to Hitler might be the worst thing I've ever read on this site

Not only is it completely offensive, but it’s also wrong. You don’t seriously believe GunGate was the reason we went 26-56 last year, right?

by Mike Prada on Jul 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I will edit out the hitler comparison but

I do believe gun gate was the reason our season collapsed. Our record wasn’t that great before he got suspended but I think we would have competed for a play off spot with Chicago. A playoff run would have kept that core together too. We had bad luck all year and yeah there were other reasons we tanked too though.

Also I would only take Randolph as potential cap relief. Teddy can use some of the cash he got from draft day trades to buy him out . Let Randolph walk. Some one would have bit and gave him a 3 year deal if he were a free agent this summer. He would make any money lost in the buy out right back.

Long shot I know but man would deal be awesome. Oh and I like the idea of having a wall, hinrich, Henry, blatche line up but since we’re getting rid of Randolph McGee would start at center. Gumby put on some weight and if summer league was any indication of how he could play this season, I think we’ll all be happy with mr.McGee starting. Anyone else think dude is trig to get his name out there for the slam dunk competition. I’d vote for him to get in over Nate any day

by Spanky731 on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly, that's wrong
I do believe gun gate was the reason our season collapsed

The Wizards were well under .500 by then. Gil already showed he wasn’t an effective pure point. Caron was already bristling and killing chemistry with his king/prince issues with Gil and his contract problems. Before that incident happened, Flip had already yelled at the entire team for awful defense by saying he could score on them. Dray’s early momentum was gone. Jamison’s injury had thrown off the team’s rhythm. Foye was on the bench, and Miller was hurt.

I’m usually not this harsh, but there was no way that team was making the playoffs, and it had major major issues that had nothing to do with Gil’s gun play. There may be many who try to pin it all on Gil, but they are national media types who weren’t tuning in beforehand who didn’t know what was going on.

by Mike Prada on Jul 19, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Gun Gate was the final stake in the 09-10 season

but in the end it turned out to be a huge positive. Just think about it right now. If gun gate had never happened that veteran team would have hobbled to about a .500 record and would be sitting here trying arguing about whether the " Big Three " will ever attain any real glory. Also no John Wall and more than likely we would have resigned Haywood to 5-6 year further cap killing deal. Gun Gate saved this team and us so much more of a headache than it actually cost in the long run.

by ccrun1800 on Jul 19, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way

that team was ever going to “hobble” to anywhere close to a .500 record…

And regardless of what happened; as soon as Ted Leonsis took over ownership, that team would have been disbanded.

Ted’s entire focus on rebuilding is to ask the question: can this team, as currently constructed, ever win a Championship? If the answer is NO – and the answer was a resounding NO – then his philosophy is to tear the team down to the foundation and start over; building through the draft.

So – no matter how it happened…… whether “gungate” happened or not – this team would be rebuilding anyway.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the thing is though

i do agree that Ted was going to disband everything, but if Arenas didn’t do his little Gun Gate thing then we would have probably ended up with a better record and definitely not ended up with the first pick thus john wall. the team rebuilding right now with or without john wall is a HUGE difference, and I’m glad everything fell this way

by Young Wook Lee on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Rounder

somewhat related, do the Wiz still have a conditional 1st from the Grizzlies for the Navarro deal?

by Jericho6 on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

From the Grizzlies angle...

I posted over on SOV as well, but there’s a few things in play here:

1) It would probably have to be an unprotected pick.
2) This would put the Grizzlies INTO rebuilding mode, since the hole at power forward would be glaring (much more so than the benefit of Gil over Conley) and Zach’s career year is what kept the Grizz afloat.
3) Gilbert Arenas is the type of player Heisley likes, but the contract is an absolute albatross. Not feasible in a small market. Just because Rudy got a max deal doesn’t mean Heisley is looking to go luxury tax.
4) The best way to sell a trade usually isn’t to compare the best player in the deal to Adolf Hitler.

Straight Outta Vancouver - The Memphis Grizzlies DO Still Exist

by djturtleface on Jul 19, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

hahahaha love your 4th point

but, you do agree that trading Randolph’s massive expiring contract should be explored, correct? You aren’t seriously thinking of re-signing him are you?

by John Park Williams on Jul 20, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way Memphis does that

Gil is the worst contract in the league right now, and Randolph was great for them last year. No one wants to lock themselves into Gil’s deal, unless they are desperate.

 Wiz need to keep picks, but have to make that deal as basically exchanging a 1st rounder and getting rid of Gil’s contract for Xavier Henry.

by Jon Kelman on Jul 19, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I hit post by accident

I also just wanted to note that waaay too many people on this site underrate just how bad Gil’s contract is. It is almost literally the worst in the league right now, and virtually untradeable thanks to length, size, character issues, injury issues, and generally not quite performing as an almost max player (which is why Joe Johnson’s deal is also stupid and probably now the worst deal in the league). We should take any deal possible that cuts at least a couple years off of Gil’s deal. Gil is not some kind of asset until he plays well this year, and then is not a great asset, just one that teams won’t touch with a 10 foot pole.

by Jon Kelman on Jul 19, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going on record

I think Arenas will have a very very good offensive season on the court. I think he’ll come out strong, be among the league leaders in scoring. I think the Arenas/Wall combo will be really strong by about mid-season. The team’s lack of quality size and depth will ultimately torpedo the season and overall defense will be poor. But well before the all star break everyone around here will be back on the Arenas bandwagon (probably by the second or third week of the season).

by MR on Jul 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think so

If JWall comes out underperforming even a little bit then we are gonna hear a ton of, “Gil and Wall just can’t play together. Gil has gotta go.” And I think it will take a while for Gil to get comfortable on the court again and the team as a whole getting comfortable playing together. Remember, this is a pretty new combo of guys and its gonna be a whole different style of basketball for Gil, with Wall controlling the ball more. I would hope the all star break is when things maybe begin to start coming together for him.

The more balls the better... ping-pong balls, that is.

by returnofswagger on Jul 19, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why trading him now makes little sense
I also just wanted to note that waaay too many people on this site underrate just how bad Gil’s contract is. It is almost literally the worst in the league right now, and virtually untradeable thanks to length, size, character issues, injury issues, and generally not quite performing as an almost max player (which is why Joe Johnson’s deal is also stupid and probably now the worst deal in the league).

by Mike Prada on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

It actually makes inverse sense, if you ask me.

Every trade I’ve seen mentioned on this site involving Gil is a HUGE fleece job. But for the other team…

I’m in favor of letting Gil play his value up for a year (or two) and then trading him for a much better pack of players, expiring contracts, prospects, and/or draft picks. Look at it this way: Keeping Gil allows the Wiz to put a better team around Wall now and in the future.

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Depends on the deal offered

Several people here have thrown (unrealistic) ideas out that would be more than acceptable. This particular deal is more realistic, and I would not take it. However, there could be a team out there that is willing to take a gamble on Arenas and offer us something worth taking.

For example, a Bulls fan recently visited and offered up Taj Gibson, JJ Redick and a # 1 pick for consideration. That’s a hell of an offer for one of the worst contracts in the league. In what seemed to me like out-of-control optimism, some of our folks said they wouldn’t do it. But the point is that there are still some people out there right now who think Gil is not only worth his contract, but actually is valuable even with that contract. If there’s a GM out there willing to offer us anything of value (or even of zero value), I’d take it now rather than wait and hope Arenas can play like a max player.

by steadyhand on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm with you

I just don’t think that kind of offer (the Chicago one) is going to come around. I’d definitely do it if it did.

But that was just a fan spitballing. Trading him for the sake of trading him isn’t a good idea.

by Mike Prada on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gil may never be worth his contract, but his value will almost certainly improve. Higher value, more in return.

Risk? Yes. But there’s also risk in selling low only to have him return to all-star level play elsewhere while we enjoy our role players and conditional draft picks…

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bottom line for me

is that there is no trade available this offseason that fields a better team next season. (that will likely change by next offseason, so the Wiz have every reason to let things play out for at least a season)

The Wiz are going to spend that $17m either way. My preference is that they spend it on the best player(s) available to them. Gibson, Reddick and a late first round draft pick (or pretty much any realistic trade return) leaves us at a SIGNIFICANT talent deficit compared to keeping Gil.

Again, trade Gil this offseason and you put a less talented team around Wall. Both now AND in the future.

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is you never get "equal value" back for a big contract

It’s impossible. You get future assets and flexibility to get pieces that better fit. This mythical trade you’re throwing out there really doesn’t exist for any player, much less one who has played as little as Gil has the last three years.

I’m not disagreeing with you necessarily, but I think you’re setting your standards way too high. You can’t get all three of present value, cap flexibility and prospects in any trade, much less one for Gilbert Arenas. I’ll take two of three, and the Bulls’ proposal does that.

by Mike Prada on Jul 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point has nothing to do with equal value

Its better value.

I’d argue you never get equal value back on such a large talent (as opposed to contract – but I suppose there is some correlation lol). And again I’m fine with that. I just think he’s worth way more to the team (short and long term) than the trades being proffered around here. But not until next offseason (or the following one, or the one after that, and DEFINITELY the one after that).

And by the way I stated :a much better pack of players, expiring contracts, prospects, and/or draft picks. The ‘or’ is applicable to all items in the list.

Given that this is a rebuild, and the goal is to be most competitive when the centerpiece is entering his prime, we’ve got 6 years. There is no good reason not to wait for Gil to recoup some of his value. Would any of you sell your house right now, if you weren’t forced to?

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well there is one reason: to field a lesser team

so we can get higher draft picks. But who wants that?

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

I’m just saying that, realistically, the best we can probably hope for is to build Arenas’ value back up to that Bulls proposal. Any further, and I don’t see it.

by Mike Prada on Jul 19, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so. I am not the expert.

But if that’s the case, what does it hurt to keep him? What is the allure in trading him? I see no obvious benefit. And this question is not necessarily directed at you Mike, but more so the people who advocate trading him for little to nothing.

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you intend to say that his value should be known

then I somewhat disagree. Everybody knows he ’get’s buckest son’. The issue is how can/will he fit.

Last year he was operating as the man, the star of the show. This year he won’t be. That in itself is critical to his value to the wiz and other teams. If he can not be the man and still effectively produce and contribute, then his value skyrockets, because then other GMs can mentally find space for him on their roster (won’t clash with established star, sixth man from heaven, etc.).

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're oversimplifying

It sounds like you’re looking at the players we’ll have on the floor this year and coming to the conclusion that Arenas>Redick+Gibson. That’s debatable, but more to the point it doesn’t factor in several important factors: what can be achieved with cap space, what kind of impact Arenas has on team culture and prospect development, how much worse Gil’s contract might be when grandfathered into the CBA, how valuable a 1st round pick is to a rebuilding team, etc.
That said, this is kind of a pointless exercise because that particular deal (or anything as good) is pure fantasy. You’re clearly in the “willing to bet on Arenas being great again” camp, which is perfectly reasonable. I just wish another team’s GM was in that camp!

by steadyhand on Jul 19, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what can be achieved with cap space

Understood. Eventually though, that cap space has to turn into players. You gotta field a product. And again what’s the rush, especially given that the centerpiece is 6 years away from his prime?

what kind of impact Arenas has on team culture and prospect development


Very valid concern. And the major question mark. When I speak of risk, that’s the biggest one (aside from injury).

how much worse Gil’s contract might be when grandfathered into the CBA

That’s a total unknown, however, every team with a large contract (and that’s virtually all of them) is running the same risk.

how valuable a 1st round pick is to a rebuilding team

No not underestimating that factor at all. Mu point is that a more valuable asset potentially gets you more and better picks (and/or players, prospects, etc….) in return.

You’re clearly in the "willing to bet on Arenas being great again" camp, which is perfectly reasonable. I just wish another team’s GM was in that camp!

This offseason they’re not, and that’s my point. But next year (given a positive outcome – which is where the risk comes in (and which is a bet I certainly would put some money on if I was a betting man)) or the following year, he will be much less of an uncertainty. Much less. He will once again be a known commodity (with a much shorter contract to boot). Hence, you’re not selling ‘what he could be’ to another GM, you’re selling ‘what he is’

At the end of the day, you have to field a team. And i prefer Gilbert Arenas over pretty much any trade proposed here.

by jones-y on Jul 19, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't disagree with anything there

I just have lower expectations regarding Arenas’ performance and behavior. Lots of uncertainty though, so I’m hoping to be proven wrong if he’s still with the team in November.

by steadyhand on Jul 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as they're paying him I don't think I'd mind

And for all he did for us the years when he was healthy, I’ll always Cheer for Gil after he leaves DC, unless he’s playing us of course.

Give me some picks and cap space to make the moves we want.

by Spanky731 on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just got to do a little research

There are many other despots throughout history that you can use besides Hitler. Don’t let the 2008 pres. election fool you Hitler has no comparison.

by ccrun1800 on Jul 19, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

while we are on the topic of trading for small forwards

how available do you think Omri Casspi is of the Sacramento Kings?

today’s ESPN NBA rumors said that the Kings are looking for a point guard, as well as someone who can shoot. I think we have plenty of guys that can shoot (nick young, kirk hinrich, gilbert arenas, etc…)
and we have a hole at the SF…
if i remember correctly, there also was a ESPN post that said that he was “ready to move on” from sacramento, and that he also might not have the opportunity to get much PT next year.

by Gchaimso on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

also, I just checked

espn says that Casspi and Donte Greene are battling for the top spot
if one emerges as a starter, the other may be used in a trade.

by Gchaimso on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if gil was on the free agent

lets say gil had been a free agent this offseason, still coming off the suspension … what kind of contract do you think he would get from another team

by wizfan2247 on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

5 years, $45 million

And the signing would have been criticized by most of the press as a foolish risk.

by steadyhand on Jul 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problems

1. Memphis will not take on Gilbert’s contract
2. because if they did they couldn’t afford to re-sign Gasol, who I agree is a bright spot for them.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Would they be able to afford resigning Gasol and Mayo?

Randolph’s contract is about to expire, so is Gasol’s and Conley’s. What if we could wiggle OJ Mayo away with a deal? I know we’re stressing the draft but OJ and JW would be a great duo on both ends of the court. Mayo’s a little under-sized but the dudes a solid on ball defender, and Wall has shown a nack for getting in the passing lane. That would be a show with our future slam dunk champ JaVale throwing down some crazy dunks.

by Spanky731 on Jul 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking again

its amazing what our imaginations run with. You saw a story on Memphis trying to skip out on paying a few hundred thousand dollars and dreamed up a deal where they add 80M in guaranteed money.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'd like some other deal for Henry

If we can dump Gil, great, but I wouldn’t count on it. That said, Henry’s a perfect complement to Wall in the backcourt and if he’s available due to all of this ridiculous contract stuff, I say we go for him. I’d be willing to trade anyone other than Javale and Wall and possibly Seraphin.

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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 19, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

During all the pre-draft hype

I proposed a trade with New Orleans, to get their 11th pick. Eventually, the Thunder offered a slightly lower deal to NO, and was able to get the 11th pick….

Had the Wizards been able to get that pick – I think they would have selected Henry…Cole Aldrich, Ed Davis and Patrick Patterson were all available – but Henry would have been a better fit for this team; and I think Ernie would have taken him, given the chance.

Ah….. hindsight.

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by Rook6980 on Jul 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

No way Memphis would pull the trigger...

They are too cheap…Plus ZBO made them a much better team. Who the HELL would they start at PF…Darrell Arthur? He’s not gonna be pulling down 10 rebounds and and scorin 20….

and ZBo was much more efficient than Gil…and they were both trash on defense.

ZBo has an expiring contract. Maybe Memphis does this deal straight up, but theres no way in hell they give away their 2010 #12th pick.

And wtf would we do with ZBO? honestly if we got him the best thing to do would be to NOT let him play and keep him away from our core…you want to talk about a bad influence

by tw10 on Jul 20, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree, Memphis would not do that deal

but, they should definitely look intro trading Z-Bo. They would have to be idiots to resign him, and as an expiring contract coming off 20 and 8 season, his value is sky-high.

Maybe a package to Philly for Brand/Iguodala/Holliday? Throw in Thabeet?

by John Park Williams on Jul 22, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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