Open thread: Summer League Game 3 vs. Dallas Mavericks
by Mike Prada on Jul 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT
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A couple quick tidbits before we open this baby up.
- Tonight's starting lineup will be John Wall, Lester Hudson, Cartier Martin, Trevor Booker and JaVale McGee. The change is Hudson over Raymar Morgan. Hudson really impressed me in the game against the Clippers, getting to the rim nicely and making heady decisions. Hudson's actually a decent prospect for Summer League, having been drafted by Boston and having played several games for Memphis last year. The Wizards have a crowded backcourt, but Hudson might be a good fit as a third point guard. It'll be interesting to see how he plays off Wall.
- The Mavericks will start Rodrigue Beaubois, Dominique Jones, J.R. Giddens and Omar Samhan and ... I'm not sure about the fifth guy. Beaubois is obviously the guy to watch, and he'll provide a great test for John Wall defensively.
- Jones has been very impressive out here in Vegas, making ESPN's David Thorpe's list of top performers. Also on that list: John Wall.
- Speaking of Thorpe, from talking to him out in Vegas, he actually worked a bit with Yi Jianlian in Florida earlier in the summer. He apparently told Kyle the same thing.
- Samhan has actually been pretty decent out in Vegas, which is kind of surprising to me. For more on Samhan, check out this profile by The Two Man Game's Rob Mahoney.
- Dan Steinberg writes about Trevor Booker, aka "Grown Ass Man." Wizznutzz points out the important thing about that term.
- More Wall madness: some thoughts from Matt Jones of Kentucky Sports Radio, who I met and talked to a lot out in Vegas.
- Ben Golliver of Blazers Edge passes along this thought for all of us to keep in mind as we gush over Wall. It's not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.
- The Wizards are apparently having a season-ticket holder open house, featuring appearances by Ledell Eackles and Chris Whitney (who the Wizards still technically own the free agent rights to if he ever wanted to come back). (via @jegaynor)
- Finally, remember how Michael Sweetney wouldn't play for the Wizards Summer League team because of a family emergency? Maybe he was the emergency.
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Prada, how do you KNOW that Samhan is smarter than JaVale?? Have you seen the Wunderlich tests, or are you implying that JaVale sets a pretty low bar…or … do you think a one-on-one Jeopardy match between Javale and Omar would be hotly contested, easily won by Samhan with some competition, or no competition at all?
Well done. Samhan does seem to have a lot more in his repertoire than “the dunk.” However, using the same analysis, couldn’t also posit that McGee is “smarter” on defense than Samhan, considering Sammy’s nonexistent D?
by Tbonebullets on Jul 15, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee has existent D?
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sweetney thing is weird
I’d say 350 is about how heavy he was when he played in the D-League and Puerto Rico earlier this year (here’s a picture). Which isn’t to say the Wizards shouldn’t have wanted him to lose more weight, but I don’t know what they expected when they invited him.
Besides which, Corsey Edwards doesn’t weigh much less, nor does Darnell Jackson with the Bucks, and Schortsanitis with the Clippers looks like he’s around 350. Again, that’s not to say the Wizards should go after fat guys, I just wonder why this player at this weight was a problem now.
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At this sean ticket holder open house...
can someone ask Leonsis to at the least get a a black uniform alternate for next season. I’m pretty sure everyone that ben to the Verizon Center saw a couple black jerseys for sale and said “hey where did that come from” well now i’m saying “why not”. I really would like to swtich to an all black uniform…at least as a alternate jersey…
Haha
This is crazy! Let’s go for 15-0, gentlemen
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by Juice over Whine on Jul 15, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
We should sign Hudson and Cartier...
these guys have stepped up to the challenge all 3 games….
Quick poll
When does it stop? I vote 17-0
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by Juice over Whine on Jul 15, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Dang I'm late - who hit the 3s?
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
I think it was a Dallas And1 - saw the free throw
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it was
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by Juice over Whine on Jul 15, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hudson and Wall look GREAT out there together
You can tell Hudson’s excited and he’s really stepping up. I love it
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by Juice over Whine on Jul 15, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Probably SF
given his size, but he’s a good enough shooter and his size would be an advantage if he guards 2s.
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Martin with a deep 3
then draws the charge. Sign him NOW.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
I love john wall
Nets fan, but if I can’t get him, I’ll join him
So was letting some Harvard scrub go coast to coast
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lin's not a scrub
He went undrafted, but I’ve been watching him all week. He can play.
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Agreed
He just made a couple nice moves to get to the rim. I’ve never seen him before but he’s obviously quick and can handle. Looks like he has decent size too.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just you
His jumpshot is still a bit inconsistent.
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He does
especially if you compare them as rookies. I think Wall will continue to improve there.
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Man
With Wall and Arenas I’m not too worried about our end-of-shot-clock shot creation.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
and then he gives it back on the next possession
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Wall is fast
Cartier can shoot. Not much else for the Wiz. Hamady has terrible hands I’ve noticed. Fumbles passes a lot.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
EG- PLEASE..don't sign Morrison... sign Cartier Martin instead.
by CVC on Jul 15, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
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Though I’d probably prefer someone better than both. I just would hate to see EG choose Morrison over Cartier.
I have no idea
Cartier told me he hasn’t talked about a contract with the team yet, but he wants to be here. I sense that the Wiz only worked out Morrison, but who knows.
Given how many workouts he got and/or was rumored to get
I’m starting to wonder if he just has a good agent and/or one who GMs owe a favor to.
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Just got back from Track practice
whats been happening……..I can see the Wizards are rollin
Chris Webber
Haven’t heard C Webb do color before. I’m a fan. Enjoy his studio work too.
by hotplate on Jul 15, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so classic...
It was redemption for Chris’s Bob Costas interview from back in the day. I loved it
by Carlos Returns on Jul 15, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Webber is better at color commentary than the in-studio stuff
Judging by this game, anyway. He also had glowing things to say about the Wizards combo of Wall and Arenas, so, I’m feeling biased.
But then we wouldn't have had Hot Rod and The Ghost of Mitch Richmond
I mean, how do you not trade two young bigs with worlds of potential for a couple of over the hill guards? That’s a no-brainer. Still bitter……..
I have to say it...I think NY is out of a job
I truly believe the next step to changing the DC culture is ousting Nick Young. Trade him and try to get some value
I don't think it has to with "changing the culture"
but yeah, I think the next step in Young’s career lies elsewhere.
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I'm honestly not sure
I’d like to see if Wall can turn him into a good spot-up guy. Frankly, I don’t think he makes it anywhere if he doesn’t make it here.
You are probably right...
I feel for Nick because I feel he is the byproduct of a young player growing up in a poor professional environment. Nevertheless, he is so goofy, and so far away from being a tough player, I just don’t think there is a place for him
by Carlos Returns on Jul 15, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Mae give up on us?
I can’t believe there’s no angry rant for this yet
is it just me?
or do the wizards announcments suck!
i hate the wizards announcers. steve buckhantz and phil chenier just bother me for some reason. sorry if this offends anyone, but I just cannot stand listning to them!
Just you.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Buckhantz is a terrible homer
But I love ’em both
"I'm George. George McFly. I'm your density... I mean, your destiny."
He is
But Phil is very fair, and Buck usually balances things out in the long run.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They're usually good
I agree they’re kind of eh in this setup, where they’re broadcasting from DC using NBATV’s feed.
2 end of quarter possessions
2 fouls drawn by Wall with less than a second on the clock. I love it.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
I think both were pretty fair calls.
He has a knack for creating contact and staying under control enough to get the call. That’s key in this league and a great tool in his belt.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree.
Quickness draws fouls — he will look like he deserves them even when he doesn’t and the refs will accommodate. Sure he won’t get them all, but I think it will be high.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He’ll be passing too much to do that. But I think he’ll draw fouls at key points in the game.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably should be noted
that as much as I like both Jones and Lin, Wall will be facing better and/or smarter defenders in the NBA who can stay in front of him, and other players who can get in position to draw charges.
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He'll adjust
He has Gil quickness.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Love seeing Wall check Dominique Jones, who had been killing them
Not so wild about that decision though – got bailed out.
Maybe it's a good thing that Wall's outside shooting touch isn't great yet
Because he hasn’t learned to settle for jump shots. Time and again, he goes to the hole and forces the respect of the defense, either getting to the line or getting people open looks. In some ways, he’s the anti-Gilbert. On a lot of these possessions, Gilbert would shoot a 3.
haha OK
35% from 3 career is not exactly automatic
by tmoneyttime1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
Gil was drawing nearly 10 fouls a game I think when healthy – top 4 or 5 in the league.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, free throw attempts - not fouls.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wall gets down the court so fast
the defense shits themselves when they trun around….no half court here!
Mason, Gee, Blair
Any other good role players pilfered?
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought McGee's reverse was more Dr. J-esque.
But Wall’s was nice.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Super long arms
McGee can do some crazy shit
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He really needs to learn fundamentals
Could we rent him out to Larry Brown and then get him back? Or maybe hire David Robinson to work with him? The Naval Academy isn’t far away, he has to have some ties to this area.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just let C Webb tutor him
I love the rebounding criticism he gave a moment ago, he’s absolutely right.
there is no other player I would rather McGee emulate than David Robinson.
A while ago BF was talking about Rob inson being McGee’s cap and I think he dies has that potential
by Carlos Returns on Jul 15, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
i stated that but i cant find the post where i listed all the playersstyels they should emulate
by back_to_the_future on Jul 16, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He grew up in Woodbridge
So, yeah, he’s got ties.
I'm curious, does anyone think we'll see Wall on the receiving end of more alley-oops once he plays with Blatche?
Dray loves hitting cutters, Wall can cut, both like flashy plays, you do the math. This could make the games a lot of fun to watch.
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Is Gilbert Arenas still on the team?
I haven’t heard a thing from him – about him, sure, but no direct quotes from Gil himself – in ages. Does anyone know if he’s in shape, going to be motivated, actually willing to play with Wall?
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I think he's purposely trying to keep a very low profile
He’s back in Chicago training with Grover now.
That's about what I figured
I just have this horrible fear he’ll be moody and/or not in shape and kill his trade value. I can’t see someone with his work ethic getting fat or something, but I really don’t want to see a Vince Carter in his last year with the Raptors situation.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong
he is between chicago and the verizon center…it was rumored that he tore his acl or something…but then it came out that same day he went 58-60 on spot up 3’s….ted is a great PR guy and anyone knows a way to regroup a bad image is to stay out of the spotlight, focus on something else (JWall) and have arenas come back subtle and scoring…..hence the " i will let my game do the talking", the change in numbers, no more agent zero, no more blogs…NO MORE MEDIA!!!!!
the fact is that we have 2 stars on the team….one is the supposed anti-other…..right now you all believe that gil will be robin to walls batman….on the contrary…gil is the superman to walls super boy…there games coincide like crazy..
gill thrives when he shares PG duty…look at GS with Hughes, here with Hughes, arizona with that short dude
by back_to_the_future on Jul 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
what just happened?
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He's just having fun, that was a crazy dunk
by FNFWizardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Aw man, I loved that!
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
whenever someone mentions that,
i can’t help but think of when he dunked on Blake Griffin last year. it was SWEET!
here’s the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGRoFz21ho
That and Nick Young coming off of screens were the highlights of the summer league last year
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a game...we win games regardless of
Summer League, Family Reunion, YMCA etc. Thats the passion the guys are bringing. Like the JW flex. Proud of accomplishments IMO.
what do you think the chances of the wizards signing Ronnie Brewer?
and also, what are your personal opinions about his game?
I, for one, think he is pretty good.
That'd be cool
Playing with Wall, the next best thing to being able to hit a three is being able to cut. I’d be happy to have him.
I think he’d be good on the Bulls, too. Yeah, they need shooters, but they’re a good defensive shooting guard away from matching up extremely well with Miami.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks great
Very solid player, he’d make a great backup in the Steve Blake mold.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he can, just not when he has to create his own shot yet
But that won’t be a problem as much when he can pass to players like Blatche and Arenas.
by FNFWizardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
would someone who has watched Wall's games with KY
…comment on his jumpshooting ability?? He doesn’t seem to have a consistent shooting stroke.
It's definitely a weakness right now
He had more of a set shot in college, but he has good form and rotation, just need more consistency, which will come.
Didn't Chandler punch him in the crotch once?
I think he owes Haywood a free shot.
by satchmore on Jul 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Link: Fail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbqFYn38ao
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by Baltimore Warrior on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee has to get that rebound.
Sigh.
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im not sure, but i know that he is STRONG and that he is FAST when sprinting
so if he puts in the effort, he could be a very good defender!
According to the combine results, yeah
I doubt it manifests itself in reality, though, since it seems like he trained specifically for the combine. I actually think his role on the team will be more Hayes than Landry, in that he’ll be a very solid defender and hustle man but I don’t see him scoring a lot.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always been curious why left handers always have a soutpaw release
Like almost all leftys do, even all all my lefty friends so it’s not jus NBA players. Does anyone know why?
Like, over the shoulder southpaw a la Jennings?
I don’t know, that is pretty weird.
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by pantslessyoda1 on Jul 15, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if you pay attention almost all players who shoot like that are leftys
by FNFWizardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Redd, Lamar Odom, Trevor Booker, Brandon Jennings, Manu Ginobli,
Derek Fisher, Tayshaun Prince, Zach randolph, Josh Smith, Troy Murphy, Chris Bosh…
All Leftys, all Southpaw shots. It must be something scientific.
by FNFWizardsFan on Jul 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Tayshaun and Chris not so much
But all those other guys…WIERD
I’m a lefty too. Can’t really explain it, but we usually have higher arches on our shots and we have a reputation for having a more accurate shooting touch so take it for what it is.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Jul 15, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate these texts running on the ticker on the CSN broadcast
“Wall is the next Shaq” is just too much for me
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by mr. 91 on Jul 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Michael Redd, Lamar Odom, Trevor Booker, Brandon Jennings, Manu Ginobli
Derek Fisher, Tayshaun Prince, Zach randolph, Josh Smith, Troy Murphy, Chris Bosh…
All Leftys, all Southpaw shots. It must be something scientific.
Actually he was the one who got stabbed
but he did plead no contest to a misdemeanor battery charge in that incident .
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It should be noted
that if Giddens had gotten enough playing time with the Celtics (and Knicks), he would’ve been the best rebounding SG in the league. He knows how to work and get position in the post. But yes, McGee is like half a foot taller.
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Can someone teach Buck and Phil how to use the Internet?
Buck thinks Livingston signed w/ Atlanta….
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by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
We need Jeremy Lin on this team...
he didn’t get drafted right?
just fyi
jeremy lin is Taiwanese American. big difference
by Marine4Life51 on Jul 16, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
Though at this point, a team might have to pry him out of Cuban’s cold, dead hands.
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I thought everyone is fair game that didn't get drafted...
Mavericks don’t have his right??? He don’t have rights, right?
Correct.
However, this year Dallas has their own D-League affiliate. They could convince Lin to stick around there, where they would be able to have him assigned to Frisco as a local/returning player, if they promised him (or said it’s be likely he’d get) a call-up at some point during the season. Houston reportedly did something like this with a few players last year. It definitely would be Lin’s decision, though, and if another team came along and gave him a good offer he’d probably take it, but given that Dallas has been working with him all week, and he’d have a better sense of what they’re expectations/his playing time would be, they probably have a leg up over other teams.
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It's Frisco, Texas
A suburb of Dallas. And I refuse to call it by its real name, the Texas Legends, because that’s a dumb name.
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i'm just sayin...
It would be nice to have him on the roster…
I dont think he fits...
I’d rather try out wing players. That’s what we need at the moment.
If the Wizards are thinking of signing a young point like Lester Hudson, maybe they do need him
but more to the point, some smart GM should sign that guy today. I didn’t see much of the game, but the part I did, that kid was special.
What was the score?
And how did Wall play?
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by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Jul 15, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
4-19 from the field
other than that, he did alright. Finished with 19 pts, 10 asts i think it was
by Team Serbia on Jul 15, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
19 points on 4-19 is not bad at all IMO...
I mean thats some shitty shooting but at least he was getting to the line. His line would look much better had he knocked down even 2 more shots
Wall is the man...
He is just such a leader on the floor. I work night shifts so I typically never get to watch any sports. Fortunately this week I do and my first impressions of make me very excited for the year. I am just so impressed by his leadership. I understand he has an iffy shot right now, but I would much rather a player who needs to work on his jump shot than a player who needs to work on his leadership / maturity.
by Carlos Returns on Jul 15, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
where can i watch this game again
i missed it but i want to watch it again
by Young Wook Lee on Jul 15, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
I did not see a lot of comments about Roddy Buckets....
Some dweeb on Daily Dime Live said RB would outplay Wall last night. And my, my, Cartier Martin made a nice case for himself at SF… I do not want to hear Adam Morrison’s name again in this context!
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