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Hey Wizards, you want more draft picks? Here are ways to get them

It's not a secret that the Wizards are hoping to acquire even more draft picks, to go along with the #1, #30 and #35 pick.  Ted Leonsis spelled out this desire at the draft lottery, and Flip Saunders reiterated it the next day in his press conference.  The Wizards probably figure they have so many open roster spots anyway, so better to fill it with cheap young talent than overpriced veterans.

Obviously, this is a refreshing change.  But how do the Wizards actually go about acquiring more picks?  We explore some possibilities below the jump.

Star-divide

First things first, be sure to take a few minutes and review the Bring Out Your Dead strategy, which I imagine is the most likely vehicle the Wizards will use to acquire more picks. In a nutshell, the strategy entails the Wizards taking on a team's overpriced veteran with their cap space in return for acquiring the pick.  

Now that you're done with that, what picks might be up for sale?  Let's take a look.

The pipedream: Philadelphia's #2 overall pick

Believe it or not, the 76ers are rumored to be open to trading the number two pick, mostly because of concerns about whether Evan Turner and Andre Iguodala could play together. Right now, the 76ers are asking teams to take back Elton Brand's gargantuan contract in return, but my guess is, if the 76ers are really willing to deal the pick, they'll soften that stance once they realize nobody wants Elton Brand.

If Brand is thrown off the table, the 76ers have a number of semi-large contracts they might want to shed.  Samuel Dalembertfor example, is slated to make $13 million next year, though it is the final year of his contract. The Sixers also have Jason Kapono making $6.6 million next year, though he's also expiring in 2011.  The Wizards would probably have to throw in a top prospect, like JaVale McGee or even Andray Blatche, but the prospect of Evan Turner, Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins to go along with John Wall is certainly interesting. 

Like I said, it's a pipedream, but it has to be mentioned.

The lottery picks that might be in play

Right now, I see a few lottery picks that Ted and company should ask about.

The first is Utah's at #9. The Jazz have some major payroll issues to resolve going forward, especially with Carlos Boozer being a free agent.  Boozer struggled mightily in the playoffs and might get overpaid by someone else, but there's no doubt the Jazz will take a step back if they lose him.  Therefore, while I haven't heard any noise about them putting this pick on the market, they might try to use this pick to clear up their luxury tax problems.  My guess is, if they put the pick on the market, they'll force whatever team trading for it to also take on Andrei Kirilenko's ginormous $18 million contract for 2011.  Personally, I'd do it, because AK-47 would only be around for a year and he could be a helpful piece in the short term, but I'd understand the reservations against doing it.

We also should keep an eye on Indiana's #10 pick and New Orleans' #11 pick.  The Pacers are right up against the projected luxury tax next year and have several 2011 contracts they could shed to stay comfortably under that figure (Troy Murphy at $12 million, Mike Dunleavy at $10.5 million, T.J. Ford at $8.5 million and Jeff Foster at $6.6 million).  Foster, in particular, slides right into one of the Wizards' new trade exceptions, and while his back problems have thrown his playing ability in doubt, he at least would be a good example for our young bigs.  New Orleans, meanwhile, is in a similar spot, with the only difference being that they could conceivably argue they don't need more rookies because of how well both Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton worked out for them last year.  The Hornets would probably force the Wizards to take back Peja Stojakovic ($14.2 million), but the Wizards could also ask for Morris Peterson ($6.2 million) instead.  The other monkey wrench in this is that the Hornets could be sold this summer to an owner with deeper pockets than current owner George Shinn, so he might be less willing to trim payroll.

Finally, Memphis has made it very clear that they're willing to trade the #12 pick, but I'm not sure we have what they'd want.  Michael Heisley is looking for a "impact player" and isn't as interested in shedding salary.  Unless Memphis wants Gilbert Arenas (doubtful, but you never know), I don't think we can give them what they want.  

I suppose Toronto and Houston might be willing to move their picks for salary relief, but I haven't heard anything saying so.  Toronto's in such a state of flux now that it's tough to see what they'd do, and Houston, despite their luxury tax issues, looks like they want to move up, not down or out. 

Other picks to watch

If the Wizards are willing to buy later first-round picks, I suggest they start with Miami at 18.  The Heat are currently over the 2009/10 luxury tax, and draft night is the last chance they have to sneak under before the July 1 deadline.  The Wizards are pretty much the only team that can facilitate that, because of their trade exceptions.  Any other trade the two teams could make to shed salary wouldn't take effect until the summer, after the 2009/10 luxury tax is calculated.  

This, I believe, is how the Michael Beasley rumor originated.  Beasley's salary corresponded directly to the Wizards' $4.5 million trade exception, and the Heat figured they could dump Beasley on the Wizards in order to a) get rid of a potential problem player, b) get under the luxury tax and c) get even more cap room this summer.  I think that the Wizards should instead look to acquire the 18th pick and a salary like James Jones' ($4.65 million in 2011, which is only partially guaranteed).  They could also try to slip in a prospective free agent like Dorrell Wright, who I think could be a great potential corner-three-and-D guy for the right price (not sure whether Wright can be traded, but it's worth a shot).  

The other picks I'd look at are Oklahoma City's two late picks (#21 and #26) and Atlanta's #24 pick.  The Thunder already have enough rookies, and they probably would sell the picks if nothing else.  They also might want to create a little more cap room so they could pursue a max free agent.  Atlanta, meanwhile, has made it clear that they're willing to sell their pick for $3 million cash as a way to keep enough money to re-sign Joe Johnson

I'm sure other picks will become available as the draft process goes on, but if I'm Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld, these are the teams I call first if I want another draft pick.  Feel free to post other ideas in the comments.  

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tuner is interesting but carmelo would be better!

by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

that's if he hits FA

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/21994754?tag=headlines;nba

It’ll be interesting to see if he signs an extension with the uncertainty of 2011 with the CBA.

by gorebd on May 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we could possibly add 3 more picks

based purely on having cap space? That would be crazy

by DaGribb on May 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

what if we picked up brand and turner and gave away arenas? is that even possible? can you give away a player and have the other team just assume the contract?

by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

if so, would that free us to sign carmelo?

by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Warriors at #6 and #35

Golden State has lots of young players already, and they’re currently under the cap by less than the MLE, which is kind of the no-man’s land of cap status. Their team is on the market, so cutting salary might help their sale. I know they’d love to get rid of Maggette, but that’s a steep price for the #6. They also have Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins signed to big longterm contracts and Vladimir Radmanovic on a MLE type deal for one more year.

by yop32 on May 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be very tempted to get Atlanta's pick

if all it would take is $3m. Then again, it’s not my $3m. Same goes for OKC’s picks. If the goal is to build through the draft, taking on terrible contracts like Peterson or Stojakovic, even if they’re only for a few years. A higher pick would be ideal, obviously, but I think there were be several guys available at the end of the first round who could be pretty good role players, or the lower picks could be packaged together to move up.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on May 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

that should read

…taking on terrible contracts…seems counterproductive.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on May 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're not going to use the $19 Million in Cap Space for a marquee Free Agent

then what good is the Cap Space?

Use it to obtain a player like Mo Pete, who has 1 year left (2010-2011 season) at $6.2 Million – and make New Orleans throw in their First Round pick (#11)…

You get the Cap Space back NEXT season, when Mo Pete’s contract comes off the books -BUT you get an asset in the form of another First Round draft pick NOW….

How is that counterproductive?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way – both Peterson and Stojakovic’s contracts only have ONE year left on them… (the 2010-2011 season) – Obviously, you would have to look much harder at any deal that takes back long term money (more than 1 year)……

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I don't get, actually

Expiring contracts are usually an asset. If a team is willing to give us an expiring plus a pick for nothing… what’s the downside? That goes for Utah and NO. Let’s fill this team with some quality, expiring vets, keeping it under the tax and not making a big free agency splash this summer, and in the process let’s raid a decently-promising draft class.

by sierradave on May 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

along with sierra dave…

If they held onto those players and traded them at the deadline they would dodge the lux tax wouldn’t they?

by MR on May 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Because unless they’re dealing with an under the cap team, they’d have to match salary in a trade deadline trade. This way, they trade that person’s salary slot and take nothing back.

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they're still on the hook for whatever salary has already been paid out up to the deadline

Trading the remaining salary away might not be enough to avoid the luxury tax.

You also face the risk that you might not find a willing partner later.

But, yes, if you can afford to wait, you might be able to get a better deal by waiting. Maybe.

by yop32 on May 25, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying

Good point, sorry I missed that.

by MR on May 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in short

When two teams are OVER the cap, and ONE wants to shed salary (not this year, but shed long term salary), expiring contracts are desired. (ie: the team holding expiring contracts has an “asset”)

So – if the Wiz trade for Mo Pete…. Plus the #11 pick.. they don’t have to send any salary back to New Orleans. NO saves $6.2 Million off THIS YEAR’s Cap and Tax…. The Wiz get an expiring contract….

At the trade deadline in February 2011… the Wizards can trade Mo Pete (and/or other expiring contracts) to a team that is in trouble in 2011-12 – - – It’s a long way off, but a scenario like this might occur….

Philly is STILL a poor team, but stuck with multiple long term deals – and bleeding money… They need to get under the 2011-12 Luxury Tax and are desperate… The Wizards still cannot find a good wing player…. So they trade expiring contracts for Andre Iguodala…

Philly saves $11 Million off their 2011-12 salaries – the Wizards give up essentially nothing (expiring contracts for players that are not part of their core).. and get back the wing player they need to become a contender….

That’s how an expiring contract becomes an asset.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case

These trades would be the awesomest awesome that ever awesomed.

Only (potential) downside is that we eliminate any chance of being a player in free agency in ‘10. But since that isn’t really part of the plan, a strategy that preserves our cap space in ’11 while adding picks, all in the name of bring other teams under the cap, is nothing short of ideal.

Hell, can we find a way (using the trade exemption) to take on Kirilenko, Mo Pete, and Jeff Foster for the #9, 10, and 11 picks? The more the merrier!

by sierradave on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, can we find a way (using the trade exemption) to take on Kirilenko, Mo Pete, and Jeff Foster for the #9, 10, and 11 picks? The more the merrier!

too much salary – Wiz only have (roughly) $19 Million to play with….(that number will go DOWN if they get additional 1st round picks… The $19 Million number is based on minimum contract players rounding out the roster – not FIRST ROUND picks)….

Each Roster spot they fill by signing a player, or obtaining a First Round pick – the requisite salary is added to their Cap…. So if/when they sign Livingston, his salary would come off the Cap room….

There is a Cap Hold put on the team for all 1st round Draft Picks… so if the Wiz have $19 Million to start with… and they trade for Jeff Foster and the # 11 pick -

It would reduce their cap room by Foster’s contract ($6.6 Million), and the difference between the minimim rookie salary ($473K) and the #11 pick ($1.7 Million)

So , in the case of the Foster deal – the Wizards would be reducing their Cap Space by $7.8 Million – and they would only have (roughly) $11.2 Million left.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

NY

I see NY spending on free agents for a single year, not unlike giving Lee and Robinson contracts that were larger than their RFA tender. That way they get a little better, bring in some fresh blood, but no one who would get in the way of free agents in ’11.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the FA losers might get desperate

and offer huge money to Rudy Gay, or over pay for Josh Childress or David Lee….. just to say they “won” in Free Agency…

I expect Miami to retain Wade – and possibly add Lebron, or Bosh, or Nowitzki….

I expect someone will over pay for Joe Johnson

It’s tough for New York…. because their entire focus the last 2 years is in getting LeBron, or Wade or Bosh (or, in their minds anyway, getting two of them to play together in NY)…

If New York loses in the big Free Agent Summer – look for them to over pay – or even do something stupid like trade for an Elton Brand or Gilbert Arenas. They need a big name signing in NY.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Wizards could get Josh Childress...

for a reasonable contract, he could provide the defense and offense that is needed at the 3. Otherwise they will need to consider offering either Miller or Howard. Childress is younger and better.

by khrabb on May 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Childress.

I think he will be even better than he was 2 years ago…He was forced to learn to play and be effective in a half-court offense.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

then again

Ive always liked Mike Miller, and this year he wont-shouldn’t be a playmaker. He can do what he does best-SHOOT THE ROCK.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

NY

gave up their first round pick for four years straight so they are all in on the free agent market. they will be giving out two max contracts to anyone who will take them.

in short, they screwed themselves

by DarrellWalkerFan on May 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

odds

They are my odds on favorite to throw a bunch of money at Ray Allen.

by Jheiser3 on May 26, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The way around this

is to offer some contracts back to those teams. If we sent out Ross and Thornton in those deals, we have 2 more roster slots and we save their salaries as well.

by Mr. E on May 25, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

but then

you’re just reducing the benefit to the other team – as they take back contracts……

So in the case of Indiana, if they traded Jeff Foster + the First round pick – and the Wizards sent back Ross -

Instead of getting the full $6.6 Million in cap relief – they have to take back Ross’ $1 Million salary – so their cap relief is only $5.6 Million…

Reduces the likelihood that the trade would actually appeal to Indiana.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

In imagination land

if they are willing to deal #11 for dumping Foster, what is $1m less? It’s just as plausible.

In reality, I think we’d have to take more from them anyways. Either Murphy’s $12m or we could take Foster + Ford, which is about $15m. Sending them back Thornton and Ross would save us another $3m or so I believe but Indy is still saving $12m doubled plus the salary of the draft pick.

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't think

that using the cap space just because you have it is a good idea. We’re talking about people overpaying for Joe Johnson for just that reason. Take 2-3 years, build through the draft, then sign free agents to fill in the gaps.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on May 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using the cap space just to use it is fine, as long as its only for next year.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on May 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - Atlanta's pick at #24 for $3 Million is sort of a no brainer.....

There will still be some nice players available (Solomon Alabi , Larry Sanders, as well as players that might fall to # 24 like Daniel Orton or Gordon Hayward)

If Ted Leonsis is truly interested in building through the draft – buying a pick is the easiest way to do that…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do love this strategy

And I like it even more with Grunfeld still the GM. He may make some poor picks/decisions sometimes, but he does have a reputation for finding gold later in the draft. He misses some, but when he’s right he really hits them out of the park.

by seewhite on May 25, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

if so, that might turn into a hell of a team core- wall, turner, anthony, blatche

by les boulez bomber on May 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously

I’d love to see the Wizards get another pick in the top 12….. BUT, two would be better…

Anywhere from the Jazz (#9) Pacers (# 10) or Hornets (# 11) could get a core player like Patrick Patterson (PF), Greg Monroe ©, Hassan Whiteside ©, Daniel Orton © or Xavier Henry (SG)

Perfect scenario?

Trade for Jeff Foster ($6.6 million) + Indiana’s # 10 pick
Trade for Mo Pete ($6.2 million) + New Orleans # 11 pick
Buy Atlanta’s 1st round pick (# 24) for $3 Million (maximum allowed by NBA rules)
Resign Livingston (starting at $4.5 Million), and Singleton (starting at $2 Million)

Probably have to throw in our # 30 pick somewhere in there to make one of those happen.

PG = Wall , Livingston,
SG = Arenas, Young, Mo Pete
SF = Thornton, Ross
PF = Blatche, Singleton
C = McGee, Foster
+ 3 more First Round Draft picks
(My choices: Patrick Patterson, PF with # 10 , Xavier Henry, SG with # 11, Quincy Pondexter, SF with #24))
And a Second Round pick (My choice: Artsiom Parakhouski C, from Radford with #35)

That’s 15 players under contract for a total of $57.7 Million
AND with expiring Contracts totaling roughly $19.4 Million…. (Foster 6.6 Mil, Mo Pete $6.2 Mil, Young $2.6 Mil, Thornton $2.8 Mil)

Then the only question is how do you get all those young players court time?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What happens to Varnado?

I’m surprised you don’t want Varnado with the #24. And the entirety of my knowledge concerning these guys comes from your writeups. Educate away…

by sierradave on May 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He essentially brings what the Wiz already have...

Don’t get me wrong…… I absolutely love watching him play – and Blocking shots and rebounding (two of his strengths) convert well to the NBA game….

It’s just that we already have long, skinny athletic types at PF and Center…. I’d like to see the Wizards diversify their talent level a bit by going with some bulkier, stronger guys (Parakhouski, Patterson) – - – - – or perhaps, gasp……. draft someone with lots of SKILL (Xavier Henry, Quincy Pondexter) rather than “upside”.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im with you 100% on the picks.

The Wizards have never understood the concept of getting players that complement each other.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

and that comprehensive understanding of a complementary team is exactly why Milwaukee was so successful this year…can’t agree enough

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 26, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's an amazing scenario Rook

and would get Grunfeld back off my %&#@ list.

by MR on May 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so hard to be an arm-chair GM.....

Trick is in getting NO, Indiana and Atlanta to go for it…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is where it crumbles

lottery picks for 4-6M in savings? Thats a tough sell to any fanbase. I think its going to take one of the whoppers (Peja or Kirilenko) to get one lottery pick.

I’d be happy to get something around 12-14 for Damion James.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a question I'd like answered

Mike Prada – do you have any answers? Do we have any examples of the BOYD from last year or the year before?

We already know that First Round picks can be purchased for $3 Million…. Teams selling the pick get not only the $ 3Million cash, but also save the money they would have spent on a First Round pick (between $5 Million as year for #1 to about $1 Million a year for # 30)

How much “bad salary” is enough for a top 10 pick? a top 20?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are the examples from the first BOYD post

I’ll try to think of others, but salary dumps among lottery picks happen. In a way, the Timberwolves did it for us last year with the fifth pick.

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You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So - if last year's Wolves - Wiz trade is any indication....

Mike Miller expiring ($9.7 Million) and Randy Foye expiring ($3.6 Million) is worth a number 5 pick….

So a # 5 pick is worth roughly $13 Million

The Thunder took on Kurt Thomas and his $8 million contract That was worth TWO first round picks from the Suns – a 2008 ( # ?? ) and a 2010 (# 26)

The Rockets took Jared Jeffries’ ($6 Million) 2011 contract from the Knicks and got Jordan Hill and a 2012 First Round pick….

So it looks like if you want a top pick, you better come up with $15 – $18 Million in Cap savings…..

If you want a Mid-range First Round pick (# 11 – #20) – it looks like $8 – $10 Million should do it….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what we’ve seen in the past…. I think the Wizards have enough Cap room to get two additional mid-range First Round draft picks…..

I still think Indiana and New Orleans should be our targets….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

on the targets, although Indy is hungry for any kind of new identity and the draft pick is the easiest way to do that. Nola is hurting and needs a trade like this to kick start the sale.

those numbers confirm my inkling, it will take almost all the space to get a lottery pick. So if we could only do one, which would you prefer? I’m stuck on Utah. highest pick, good player.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what I meant

I was actually thinking the other way, in that the Timberwolves took on Etan and Songaila’s 2011 contract as collateral for the Wizards giving up the #5 pick for two role players on expiring contracts.

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Etan was 2010?

Right?

Either way, I’d send the cash for Atlanta’s pick then send #24 to Charlotte for their pick and Mo Pete.
Then we can send Ross + NY to Indy for Ford + Foster and their pick. That would save them about $22m in total cap savings and we’d get the backup PG and vet C we need for our roster.

We then draft Aldrich and Xavier Henry. I think 3 rookies is plenty, so I’d look to either A) draft a euro B) Deal 30 + 35 for future picks C) Sell them to pay for all this extra salary we took on. If we could trade #30 for a future 2nd and maybe $1mil and then draft a euro at 35 I’d be happy.

by Mr. E on May 25, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Orleans*

not Charlotte, was just thinking Hornets lol.

by Mr. E on May 25, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

May as well

ship out Quinton Ross while we’re at it…

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 26, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

Just to revise Rook’s proposal:

Trade for Jeff Foster ($6.6 million) + Indiana’s # 10 pick for Wizards 30th pick
Trade for Mo Pete ($6.2 million) + New Orleans # 11 pick for Wizards 35th pick

Or buy Atlanta’s 24th pick and use the 24th (Ind) and 30th (NO) picks to sweeten the deals.

by Johnnie Futbol on May 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are those prices reasonable?

A 10th or 11th pick for an expiring $6 mil contract? I agree that throwing in the 30th (or 35th) pick would help, but I still wonder if it would be enough.

Here’s a three way trade:

Heat gets: Darren Collison
Hornets get: Beasley
Wizards get: Stojakovic ($14.2 mil), the Hornets #10 pick, the Heat’s #18 pick

by Johnnie Futbol on May 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hornets giving up

Collison and the #10 pick for Beasley? No way they do that.

by Team Serbia on May 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically

its collison, #10, over 10M in salary saved, for Beasley. I still don’t see it but you can’t leave out that money they save because thats the only reason they do that deal.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they could get so much more for Collison

DId you see the numbers he put up last year? Practically 20/10 as a starter at the age of 23 on a rookie contract. You don’t trade that for cap relief.

by Team Serbia on May 26, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if they really want cap relief...

I’m just basing it on speculation months ago that the Hornets would use Collison to get cap relief. How do you trade something like Stojakovic’s 14.2 million contract without giving up something significant in return? I’m not sure even Collison is enough. Look above where there’s endless speculation of getting a late lottery pick for a $6 mil contract.

The question is more if the Hornets are desperate to shed salary or not. They’re on their way to bringing in a wealthier owner, but as we’ve learned from our own experience, shedding bad contracts can help increase the value of a team and consequently the final sale price.

Collison is CP3’s backup next season if he isn’t moved. Does he bring more value to the team sitting on their bench, or in a trade that moves a bad, large contract?

My trade idea might be unrealistic, but it’s probably more because Beasley and the 10th pick are involved.

by Johnnie Futbol on May 26, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might be better for New Orleans

to move Paul along with a bad salary or two and keep Collison. That way they could get value + save some money. I’m not sure it would really work but you might be able to work something out with Dallas, SA, Portland, or maybe even LA for Bynum.

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

the problem I see

is that would give us 3 lottery picks with contracts expiring in the same year. Great problem to have but you’d essentially be admitting that you couldn’t afford to keep all of them. You’d also have a massive influx of rookies on an already young team. i want more talent but there such a thing as too much to handle and make progress.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a GM problem....

Nothing says you can’t extend a contract in the 3rd year, or 2nd year….

If one of your First Round picks really impresses – you could lock him up early….

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by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to what Grunfeld did with Blatche

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ernie locked up Blatche when Dray was a UFA

Dray was a UFA early because he was a second-round pick.

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says you can't afford them all?

Leonsis just bought an NBA team and arena. Homey has got some cash. Unless you’re referring to whatever rule changes the next CBA brings about, that might be a problem. But he doesn’t strike me as a budget watcher when it matters (he did authorize the first 9-digit NHL contract).
Yes, you’d have a lot of young talent. Maybe too much, to start. Doesn’t mean you can’t get everyone together and see who works out best with whom. And if you end up w/ 12 young guys who bust their ass and play team ball, who can argue? They’re not winning any time soon, that’s fairly obvious. Might as well start from the ground up and get it right while you have this fairly unique opportunity.

by Randall Flagg on May 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'll be the third to say

i don’t see indiana or N.O. giving up a lottery pick to shed a single $6 million expiring deal.

no way that happens.

by DarrellWalkerFan on May 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the luxury tax

That becomes $12 million in savings + about another $4 million in savings from not taking the draft pick. A ccording to Rook’s estimation pick value, that sounds about right. If the hornets give us Mo Pete and #11, that’s about $8 million in salary and $16 million in cash they save. May not make basketball sense, but I guarantee that the accounts for the Hornets wouldn’t argue.

by gorebd on May 25, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the update

I’ve been flipping back and forth from the now bookmarked BOYD post. No conclusion drawn outside of what you posted. There are three main targets IMO. Teams that need to shed to get under the cap to avoid penalties, teams that want that little bit of extra room for a max FA or a Max and another and the teams that are struggling financially.

Given that teams are willing to sell their picks for $3M, how can a team turn down 6M in savings just for a first round pick? Just because its not a straight cash infusion?

I’m a fan of the Kirilenko deal because we get the most bang for the huge salary we take on, plus the best available pick.

Peja is a lot to take back in salary for a guy who’s been reduced to just shooting.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Given that teams are willing to sell their picks for $3M, how can a team turn down 6M in savings just for a first round pick? Just because its not a straight cash infusion?

Well that kinda answers my question just above.

by Johnnie Futbol on May 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

we know

we know Memphis has done this to get their extra picks but I’ve never seen them do it in the same year or on draft day. Its at the deadline or for the next year’s draft. So its harder to figure.

by Jheiser3 on May 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Beasley

WOW never knew he was on the market. he is a solid player than can still develop from DC, but more importantly he is Durant friend so if we can get Beasley now then you have to think the Wizards would be a attraction to the Wizards since he did the Wall dance before (meaning he is probably cool with Wall), he is already cool with Beasley, and he is from DC. That will then open the door to DC own Roy Hibbert for when his contract is up and BOOM get semi-superstar player and we are competing for a chip lol cool aint it?

by ATLredskin on May 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

What's the obsession with getting players from DC?

Or is it just that you think they’re more likely to come because they’re from the area?

by hibachi on May 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Beasley

I also like the idea of Beasley if Miami is willing to deal him for almost nothing. A future 2nd round pick or this year’s 2nd round pick. He’s still young and if he doesn’t work out then you don’t have too offer him a qualifying offer next summer. That sounds like a win win. However, I can’t see Miami just giving up on this guy.

by Kryp on May 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Miami woud drop him in a heartbeat

if they could. I’m sure they were shopping him like crazy to phoenix and toronto at the deadline last year. I’m not convinced that he’s going to be any good, but he just isn’t working out in Miami and wilts in Wades shadow. I guess I wouldn’t mind having him on my team to see if it works out, but I wouldn’t get too excited about Beasley. Besides, his presence won’t get us Durant anyway. The only thing that might get us Durant is if his team implodes next year and it becomes obvious he can’t win in OKC.

by seewhite on May 25, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Classic tweener

his ceiling is looking more like Corliss Williamson rather then a true 20/10 PF

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of rebuilding from scratch

Should #2 be available, the Wiz would almost have to jump on it, and anything in the top 15 has to be considered seriously. Do that, dump Arenas by any means necessary, and you’ve immediately improved fan relations.
The team isn’t going to be making any noise playoff-wise the next few years under any circumstances, so you might as well be up-front about it. Load up on young exciting talent, and pray you’re the next OKC. When the Wiz hit that level, THEN you break out the checkbook and bring in Mr. Missing-piece-to-a-title. Until then, fans would understand if Mr. Leonsis went on the cheap after buying out Arenas (if need be, but he really does need to go. Now.).

by Randall Flagg on May 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not sure I agree...

A backcourt of Wall and Arenas, if it works, could produce 55-60 ppg, 12-15 apg and 5-10 rpg. With those two plus an upgraded Blatche, plus a more experienced JVM and NY, a decent free agent signing at the 3 and such the Wizards could be in playoff territory next season. Giving a hungry Gilbert a chance could raise his value in a Wizard uniform next year, and at the very least would make it easier to deal him next summer when (a) he will have three years left on his killer deal instead of four and (b) he will have re-established himself as a productive player.

by khrabb on May 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

55-60 pts. from gil/wall?

I don’t see that being anywhere near realistic. 40/12-15/5-10 seems about right.

by YellaFella on May 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

40-45/12-15/5-10

definitely is more accurate than 55-60 pts. I could definitely see both getting 20 a game and Wall dishing out 7 or 8 dimes with Gil distributing 4 or 5. 10 Boards a game from the two of them also seems about right.

by jeffco01 on May 25, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

55-60 isnt realistic at all.

the highest scoring backcout in the league last year, Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry, averaged 43ppg together. And that was while playing for Golden State. I expect around 30-40ppg and im with you on the A/RPG stats.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there was only a way...

(my dream scenario) to somehow get Wesley Johnson or D Cousins to go along with Wall. I see all these scenarios being thrown out and one that I see as semi realistic is taking on someone like Troy Murphy’s $11 Mil contract with our trade exceptions + #30 pick for their #10 pick. While it is probably smarter to sit at 10 and take a player there I would love to see us try to package the 10 pick with our 35 pick to move back into the top 5 and select either Johnson or Cousins at 5. Johnson would be such a sweet pairing with Wall. 2 ultra athletic, long armed players who really run the floor. The main knock on Johnson is that he cannot create for himself and his ball handling isnt that great. The knock on Wall is that his jump shot isnt top notch right now. Wall and Johnson complement each other perfectly in the sense that both are long and freakishly athletic while one of them is a playmaker with the ball and the other is a sharp shooter with serious range. Both are unselfish and Johnson will not need to worry about being a primary ball handler while Wall and Arenas are in the backcourt. At 6’7" with his athleticism and length he is an ideal 3 man and should be a great defender. Picture Wall throwing oops to Johnson and then the next play down Johnson throwing an oop to Wall….Boner Jams. Then ideally we drive up Arenas’ trade value before the deadline and trade him to a team like the Knicks who might miss out on free agents for Eddy Curry’s expiring contract. Next year ’Melo comes to town with our gobs of money and solid core. Wall, Melo, Johnson, Blatche, McGee (or a different center)… A dude can dream right?

by jeffco01 on May 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally Id love Demarcus.

He is like a bigger, hybridized Glen Davis/Dejuan Blair. Rebounding skills of Blair, Offensive skills of Big Baby, and pretty much the complete opposite of JaVale. I know he could start over JaVale immediately.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wait

If we dont end up getting him, I guarantee he is going to BULLY big wookie the first time he plays the Wizards. Plus, J-Wall could keep him motivated.

by tw10 on May 25, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson and Wall would be nice

but how do Wes and Melo fit at all? I would find a way to get one of those 10-13 picks and also look into dealing Blatche for a top 5 pick to get Cousins. We then either chase a PF like Bosh or we can get one of the Patterson/Monroe/Ed Davis with our mid-1st.

by Mr. E on May 25, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not willing to sacrifice Blatche for Cousins

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry Mike

No sane Wizard fan would be. Not entirely sure what Mr. E is smoking…

by qthaballa on May 25, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

Dray has panned out (finally), plenty of lottery picks who fail to do so…trading a proven quantity (oh, how I laugh on the inside) for a question mark, the insanity…

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 26, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right

We should deal Wall for Duhon too, because we don’t know what Wall will do, but we do know what Chris Duhon is capable. ALWAYS take the sure thing. /sarcasm

Isn’t that exactly how we got stuck with Jamison and a team that could never get past the 2nd round? Blatche is very nice, but he’s got 2 seasons before he’s due a big contract and he’s always been a knucklehead. Cousins has all NBA potential and fits much better next to all the available big men that are out there in the draft and FA.

Don’t get me wrong, keeping Blatche is fine too, but it’s going to be much harder to find a championship center.

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, but I would

“sacrifice” McGee for him.

Maybe Minnesota will deal with us favorably to balance out last years trade? Hey, a guy can hope.

by CJHutch on May 26, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have 'Melo

but don’t hold your breath. Denver is trying to lock him up before he hits the market, if they offer him max before new CBA, good night. Blatche/Cousins front court would be amazing…just saying :p I know that’s not what was suggested in the previous post

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 26, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously if Mcgee would do the trick I'd rather deal him

I just don’t think that’s reasonable. You have to give up something to get something and it’s my opinion that Cousins’ upside outweighs the downside. My goal is also to win championships and in the NBA you need elite, superstar players to do that. Wall can be that, Cousins, imo, can be that, Blatche, imo, while very good, will never be that.

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really sure I wanna face having to give 3-4 guys an extension at once

If we picked up another late rounder I wouldn’t mind packaging 2 of the picks to move up and get a blue chipper. Of course if we kept 3-4 picks we can always trade one or more in the next 3 years.

by BayAreaBullet on May 25, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

How about a 3-team deal with Philly and Minny?

Minnesota wants Turner so maybe they get 2 for Turner, we get 4 and take Johnson or Cousins.

Philly dumps some combination of Brand/Dalembert/Kapono between us and the T’wolves.

Gil and Al Jefferson could also be involved.

Probably some more young guys and later draft picks.

by Matt Lilly on May 25, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me add

Brand coming here would turn me off real quick

by Matt Lilly on May 25, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best I can do

Philly sends #2, Brand, Kapono
Philly receives #16, NY

Tough sell to your fans, but they shed a lot of money, bring in a 2G with legit size and also receive a 1st rounder just outside the lotto

Was sends NY
Was gets #4, Brand

We use up our cap space to get another building block while also giving up a good bench scorer. Brand + Gil would be off the books by the time we have to extend Wall + ? but we’d be out of cap space before that.

Minn sends #16, #4
Minn gets #2, Kapono

Minn gets their guy Turner and takes on a little salary to do so.

It seems reasonably fair, but I’m not sure any team is in love with it. It probably makes more sense for Minn and Philly to cut us out entirely.

by Mr. E on May 27, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dalembert instead of Brand would be infinitely better

Being stuck with Gil and Brand could put us in a cap hell that would make it unable to re-sign Wall anyway. (From a competitive team stand point). I think if Philly could dump all 3 then involving 2 teams would make sense.

Trades of this magnitude rarely happen, but going off of your proposal maybe we get Dalembert and Kapono, Minny gets Brand, and Philly gets Al Jefferson.

As I’m writing this I’m realizing that I’m skewing it a lot more than I intended to. I’d love to throw in Gil but I’m not sure how the contracts are lining up so far.

Give me some time and I’ll get my arm chair GM mind rolling.

by Matt Lilly on May 28, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dead End

Only thing I could come up with is us getting Dalembert and Kapono with Minnesota getting Brand while swapping 2 for 4 and 16. Reasonable so far until you get to the fact that Philly is taking on Al Jefferson and Gil.

Anyway, if the real GM’s can come up with something that I’m not seeing the biggest thing that the deal hinges on is Minnesota’s feeling of Brand being a better fit in the triangle they’re trying to install than Jefferson.

by Matt Lilly on May 28, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

you’d rather have James Jones than Mike Beasley?

by qthaballa on May 25, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather have Jones +18 than add Beasley into this unstable mix of players

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by Mike Prada on May 25, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I want to see Beasley succeed, but it seems he might have a little problem with mental toughness, and we need a whole lot of that right now. The last thing we need is someone who might be prone to sulk, or just disappear mentally for long stretches of the season. Sounds like our whole team, actually.

by seewhite on May 25, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can the Wiz find a trade for the 5th pick?

The way I see it, Cousins looks like he’ll be taken 5th since I see Favors picked 3rd and Minnesota needs a wing so they’ll take Wes Johnson, so Cousins in 5th is likely. So if the Wiz can work out a trade for the 5th pick to get Cousins, they’d have 2 of the best college players in Wall and Cousins. And that would be one heck of a combo. Then throw in their other guys like Blatche, Young, Thornton and Mcgee and you’d have a very nice team to work with.

by (o.O) on May 26, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

With Minnesota looking to deal...

…you bet at least one of their PFs will be on the market. It’s easier to fill a wing position than Center, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Cousins picked 4th, if not 3rd

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 26, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Favors would go 3rd but..

if that’s the case, the Wiz should look to trade for the 4th pick of the Wolves then. Maybe give up some of their wings (Thornton?). Right now, the Wiz need a real upgrade at center and Cousins IMO could be a real priority now. Especially now that they’ll surely draft Wall, they better find Wall a good teammate, preferably someone who can play well with Wall’s style, hence, Cousins.

by (o.O) on May 26, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

can we

send Miller and Foye back to them for the 4th pick? ha.

by Jheiser3 on May 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

hope so...

they need a wing guy, that’s why I see them taking Wes Johnson instead of Cousins.

by (o.O) on May 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would only happen...

If they trade down. Johnson’s not worth the fourth pick; they can probably get him in the 5-7 range. That would mean involving another team. Their GM’s a little odd, though, so they could take Johnson higher than projected.

by YellaFella on May 26, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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