John Wall's wingspan (6-9 1/4) is larger than Evan Turner's (6-8). Might not sound like much - except Wall is 6-4 & Turner is 6-7.
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So he really is a taller, quicker Rondo. Wall’s jump shot needs work (like Rondo) but he is only 19. Wow wow wow. A better Rondo. Now we just need Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and KG….ugh
Everyone's mission, should they choose to accept it
Find an official listing for Rondo’s wingspan. I’ve been looking around everywhere and can’t find it. He didn’t go to the predraft camp, so it’s not in Draft Express’ database.
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/060604.htm
Although its not an official listing of any sort, this article says 6’10
DraftExpress has all the measurements posted now
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2010&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=6
John Wall is officially 6’4" (in shoes), 196 pounds, 5.6% body fat, with a 6’9 1/4" wingspan, and a 8’ 5.5" standing reach.
I’ll be really interested to find out the Max Vert, Sprint and agility numbers for Wall when they come out tomorrow.
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knew what you meant. So we get no agility numbers from him today or tomorrow? I thought he said he was looking forward to that testing in his interview via ESPNU?
I think wall and turner are getting ready to test now.
Im watching on espn 3 over the web and they are explaining the drills to the guards now.
by forthepeople on May 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You there at the combines?
Because I thought the other measurements – the athletic stuff (sprint, agility, etc…) was supposed to happen tomorrow…
I know wall is not participating in any of the 3 on 3 games, or any of the other workout stuff… but I can’t see why he wouldn’t do the Vertical measurements, sprint, agility and bench press .
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Wall vs Turner Testing
No Step Vert
Wall 30
Turner 34.5
25yd Sprint
Wall 3.14
Turner 3.27
Haven’t seen the 2 step vert numbers yet
by forthepeople on May 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and off-topic -- Demarcus Cousins is putting up Dinner-Bell Mel numbers
at the combine measurements today. 292 pounds…yikes.
Not only that, but 16.4% body fat...
Second worst in the draft only to Dexter Pittman (the former 400 lb Center from Texas)
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And did you see the interview by Daniel Orton?
He certainly didn’t do his teammate any favors…. talking about Cousins “temper”
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Combine-Video-Interviews-Wall-Favors-Monroe-Udoh-Orton-3471/
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Remember when Rod Strick would vomit up hot dogs on the bench?
Cousins, apparently, would never lose his lunch like that. If we can swing a trade for DeMarcus around the eight spot (‘cos that’s where he should be, at this point), we could arrange for a cheeseburger guy to sit next to him during games.
by Tbonebullets on May 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That's definitely bad...
maybe he’s a guy who can whip himself into shape, but that would scare me if I were a GM
The body fat thing really concerned me
I’m not as down as you are, Rook, but I’m starting to see a bit where you’re coming from here.
Cousins.
I don’t really think it’s a big secret amongst UK fans that Cousins played all last year pretty out of shape. But, he is on a seafood and salad diet these days apparently and according to one reporter from Lexington, KY who interviewed him very recently, he looked “fitter”.
I don’t know for sure as I’ve never been a 19 year old male : )) nor am I a certified nutritionist, but I’m thinking that it can’t be all that hard or take all that long to convert that body fat to muscle in one so young, and I’m not really sure why people are so worried about it?
You can lose body fat pretty quickly if you do it properly and with a trainer or whatever, but the freakish skills Cousins showed on the court, well, those kind of results can’t be taught nearly as quickly or effectively, IMO.
Didn’t mean to interrupt you gentleman’s conversation here, just had to stick up for one of our own, you know? ; )
The problem isn't that he can't take off the weight (fat)...
It’s that he has a problem with weight at all…. Dude plays basketball 7-days a week, and still has a problem with weight? It speaks to a broader problems with discipline, mental fortitude, maturity level and attitude.
I can’t begin to name all the big time talents that have eaten their way out of the NBA….. (Mel Turpin, John Williams, etc…).
It’s just one more strike against an admittedly talented player…. but take the measurements at the Combine that indicate he may not be in the best shape, add it to the reported anger management issues, the questions about his maturity level, the past problems he’s had with his Coaches, the fact that he doesn’t always play hard – and the rest of the “intangibles” issues – and it paints a picture of a player with “high bust potential”
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Ok,
I understand where you are coming from and I will totally agree that DeMarcus needs to get in better shape to be competitive and successful in the NBA, for sure. He is nowhere near where he needs to be body-wise, I just don’t see that being the reason for not drafting him, because like I said, weight is a relatively easy thing to change for a lot of people and up until now the kid has probably never been taught how to eat properly or take care of his body, but he can learn, and learn quickly.
About all the other stuff you mentioned, the anger management issues, maturity level, coaching issues, and whatever else, well, I got the pleasure of watching him all last year, and even though I will admit that Cousins was my favorite, (no it wasn’t Wall, it was Cousins — sue me : )), there are other fans who thought just like you (and a lot of others, I realize that) , and yeah, early on in the season maybe he didn’t make the best decisions, but as time went on and we got to know him and watched him grow right before our very eyes, even the ones who thought like you became believers in the kid.
I know that he does have a reputation for all the issues that you pointed out above, some of that rep I think is unfair and undeserved, but the truth is that those potential red flags are out there and it will be up to him to change the way he is perceived outside the bluegrass. It’s totally up to him to change people’s minds, I think he will, and some very lucky NBA team will be drafting him on June 24. My guess? — he goes in the top 5. ; )
exactly
up until now the kid has probably never been taught how to eat properly or take care of his body, but he can learn, and learn quickly.
Exactly. a 19 year old not eating right is normal, not a scar on his ability to live life and make decisions or “mental fortitude”. Jay Williams said during the coverage that he was never on a nutritional plan at Duke. He didn’t learn about that until he got to the NBA. Cousins has plenty to be concerned about, weight is one that we know is controllable.
But riffing off Rook's last point,
How many fat dudes (or, shall we say, not dedicated dudes) can you point out, that stopped being fat once they hit the big time? Best example I can think of is Barkley: dude was a massive bowling ball at Auburn (who could dunk, an athletic freak). But he saw the money and more importantly, really wanted to win, and spend his years eating celery and radishes until he could retire and eat again. There are lots of examples of guys who ate themselves out of the league: but how many fatties were able to stay IN it?
by Tbonebullets on May 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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I think there is a difference between underdeveloped and fat. I watched him play at UK and never thought he looked fat, even in those skinny unis. He’s a big thick kid that needs work on his body and get on a regimen for the first time in his life.
I really understand the talent issue
There’s no question that Demarcus Cousins has enormous talent… and has been physically dominating in College. He’s a tremendous rebounder, a skill that transfers well to the NBA. When he’s engaged and puting forth the effort, he’s a very good defender.
There’s no other big man in the draft with his skill level, size, and overall potential…
I am certain that there is a team in the top 5 that will pick Cousins….
My concerns, and I’ve listed them ad nauseum on BF in numerous posts and comments, all relate to his intangibles (effort, maturity, coachability, etc…)….
Here is one more example of why I have a negative feeling about Cousins… The first video is Cousins, talking to the media….and it is in STARK CONTRAST to interviews I’ve seen by John Wall, Evan Turner and several other potential high draft choices…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALmtrmvQUA&feature=player_embedded#!
The second video is an interview with Patrick Patterson, Cousins’ teammate – who I believe has helped his cause immensely with his showing at the Draft Combine – and will move up on the draft boards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBU_iEe1RF0&feature=player_embedded
There is a HUGE difference in attitude, clarity of thought, body language and demeanor. Now obviously, some of that is age and maturity level..(Cousins is still only 19, while Patterson is 21 with 3 years experience in College)..
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exactly. right back at you. : )
And, apparently there is at least one team with a top 5 pick in this year’s draft (which is the one that matters, after all) that would agree with us.
“We were impressed in our meeting,” said team President Rod Thorn, who met with Cousins here Thursday. “He’s not in tip-top condition but he certainly has time to get into shape.”
So teams will not be scared off by the body fat issue — that’s what conditioning coaches are for — and what they will see is Cousins’ enormous bulk and length (7-foot-5¾-inch wingspan), great post skills, hands and footwork.
Full article can be found here — Nets mull UK giant at No. 3.
Thanks for the chat, fellas. ; )
And, as an aside, I just wanted to say that it’s really neat to see ya’ll so excited about John Wall, just like we were. He did wonders for our program and our fanbase both as a person and a player and if he can do for you even half of what he did for us, well, ya’ll will be very lucky indeed. I have a newfound interest in Wizards basketball that’s for sure, as I’m sure do many many other UK fans.
Seafood and Salad, sure...
fish and chips, fried shrimp with ranch dressing, salad with bacon, eggs, thousand island dressing….
by Tbonebullets on May 22, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Glen Davis and Kevin Love have been slimming down with success
by BayAreaBullet on May 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I searched DraftExpress for the fat list:
My man DeMarcus is No. 12 All-Time Fat at the combine:
Kevin Love isn’t really a good comparator, as he wasn’t that fat. Glen Davis is probably a pretty good comparator, but he didn’t show up at the combine so there are no stats (there are probably a lot of players like this, such as our own Jahidi White). DeMarcus’s recent rivals in the fat department who turned out to be pretty good are Nick Collison (one rank higher fat than DeMarcus on the all-time fat list), and Chris Kaman (who is two steps less fat on the all-time fat list); and to a lesser degree, James Lang. But, respectfully, my main point here is that Cousins is at a level of fat that, historically, has not produced great players.
by Tbonebullets on May 22, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But Patrick Patterson didn't come up short at all!
At 6’8" in socks, he’s a legit power forward. Somebody might rather have him than his teammate Cousins!
by Tbonebullets on May 21, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that
but he’s a sold 240 (5.3% body fat) and a 7’ 1.25" wingspan
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I liked how Cole Adrich’s “with shoes” measurement was 2 1/2 higher than his “without shoes” measurement.
Was he wearing some 1970’s platform shoes? Did Earth, Wind and Fire have a garage sale?
by disgrunted on May 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was really surprised by Cole Aldrich's measurement's.
6’ 9" w/o shoes, and weighed 236. I thought he was a lot bigger. I wonder if that height is correct. 7’ 4.5" wingspan though.
I’m very intrigued by the center from Radford, Artsiom Parakhouski, with our 2nd rounder. Apparently his jump shot looked really good at the combine.
I’m down on Gordon Hayward b/c of his measurements. While his height in shoes is 6’ 8", his wingspan was only 6’ 7.75"
So he’s a 6"10" center with long arms. Not so bad. He was never going to be a top-10 starter, anyway.
by Tbonebullets on May 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cole's height measurement (6'9") is possibly wrong by an inch or more....
Perhaps he was slumping when they took his measurement,
He certainly passes the “eye test” for a guy over 6’11" (in shoes)….
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Not to me
This is one of the things I really wanted to see in the combine — everyone kept saying he was a legit 7-footer and 250lbs , but he never looked it. He does have good reach though, which matters more than height…it’s the lack of bulk that’s going to hurt him.
all
earlier in teh day they were all backward, with the w/shows numbers smaller than w/o shoes. Thats why the update mentioned “fixes”.
John Wall looks just like Gilbert
Wall is 0.5" taller, but Gilbert has a 0.5" better wingspan. Wall is slightly faster, while Gilbert jumped slightly higher.
Wall looks to be a lot more "cut" than Gilbert...
Does anyone know the body fat comparisons?
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