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Now's not the time for hand-wringing. Draft John Wall, figure the rest out as it goes

I'm not going to talk much about the euphoria of winning the draft lottery last night.  Honestly, I can't really put into words how much it meant to us as Wizards fans.  We all know we went through an awful year, and we all understand why we were so irrationally happy last night.  So I'd really be preaching to the choir.

All I'll say is this: now is not the time to nitpick and overthink.  In my mind, the choice here really is simple.  Evan Turner is a very nice player, but in today's NBA, point guards are much more valuable than wings.  This is something for a longer post, but I really do believe Turner and Wall's college numbers are deceiving.  Turner was placed on a team where his teammates weren't good and asked to handle the ball and do everything.  There were no other ball-handlers, no other rebounders, no other slashers, etc.  It was Turner and a bunch of shooters.  Not to say that Turner's stats are meaningless, but it's not all that surprising to me that he put up amazing numbers.  Wall, on the other hand, played with so many great teammates that he was able to take a backseat.  His numbers all suffered, but that doesn't mean he disappointed.  In fact, it speaks volumes, to me, about his ability to defer for the good of the team.

So Wall has to be the pick.  And once he is, there inevitably will be all these questions about how he'll coexist with Gilbert Arenas.  I personally think they'll work great, at least offensively, and that argument is one for another post.  But fundamentally, the Wizards shouldn't even be thinking that way right now.  This league is about talent, and you can't pass up talent or trade away talent right at the beginning of a rebuilding project until you see how it all comes together.  Trading away talent will only set you back as you start on the path back to respectability.  This isn't to say all three of Wall, Arenas and Andray Blatche will be here in 2012, but it is to say that we don't have enough information to tell right now.  That's what 2011 is for, and until 2011 plays out, the Wizards need to put in a good faith effort to make this all work.  They owe it to Wall to surround him with talent, they owe it to Arenas to see how he plays with a potential superstar point guard, and they owe it to us, the fans, who have delusions of greatness in our heads.

Regardless, thanks to the magic ping pong balls, we have our first bona fide building block.  Now, let's not overthink this and give away a chance at a truly dynamic team until we see how it all comes together. 

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Agree with every word.

by disgrunted on May 19, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Do we need to start a petition or is this self-evident?

Perfectly and well said Mike. Could a GM be dumb enough to pass up Wall for Turner? If there is even a remote possibility of this, Wiz season ticket holders should take action.

by tgmcgill on May 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your first supposition regarding his selflessness reminded me of Rondo...

…but a Rondo that won’t take so long to develop. Biggest reason we take Wall?

I’ve been guilty of being reactionary in the past, and I try to stifle it. Much as I got annoyed with Flip over this last season, keeping him on is absolutely the right move. That said, giving him the best PG in the draft is the PERFECT acid test. If he can be successful, he’ll be successful with Wall. If he can’t be successful with Wall, then the questions about him will be well and truly answered.

Can Blatche be successful with a another bona fide on the team? I felt, and I believe all of you who watched him play post All-Star break will agree, that there is much more to him than ‘best player on a bad team.’ But I have my moments of disquiet still, wondering if he can be as productive on a Finals contending team.

Can Grunfeld successfully distill enough talent from the later draft picks to net us some relevant role players? There was a great article I read somewhere on the Bucks and how they built their team. Letting Sessions walk, among other things, to build around Skiles’ philosophy. As you’ve noted before, Grunfeld has pulled off some excellent moves in the past, but taken together indicate little sense of a cohesive vision. Drafting relevant support this year is huge.

I’m all a-flutter a seeing what a talent-magnifier like Wall can do with Young and McGee’s athleticism, much less Blatche’s and the test faced for the former two is the same as Grunfeld’s, do it with Wall or you can’t do it all.

I’m starting to sound redundant, so my point is that upside is now. This is the time to gel. For Flip to understand, motivate, and direct the talent he has while taking it where we expected it to go, or at least getting it on the rails. For Nick Young to become the Jason Terry/JR Smith clone we’re all hoping for. For JaVale McGee to star in his home-shot version of ‘My Giant’ in an Optimus Prime helmet. To see Blatche put the league on notice in case they missed the memo. For Grunfeld to show he can build the contender by adding the right pieces instead of the bright ones. And biggest of all, for Arenas and Wall to become a force of nature. (I am giggling a little on the inside)

In conclusion, this is what rebuilding is about. It is time to start realizing. I don’t care if we don’t do a thing in FA. I want to see things start to take shape. I’m not saying I need the playoffs, or anything approaching a finished product. What I am saying is that Wall officially brings us to a point where I can say I expect to see something. I don’t know what it is. But it’s time for the professionals of this organization to put up or shut up. GO WIZ!

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 19, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

P.S.

Bravo PM, whole hearted agreement.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 19, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.P.S.

This quote says it best, the ‘I’ in this excerpt would be the Wizards’ character as a team.

So, when this loose behavior I throw off
And pay the debt I never promised,
By how much better than my word I am,
By so much shall I falsify men’s hopes;
And like bright metal on a sullen ground,
My reformation, glittering o’er my fault,
Shall show more goodly and attract more eyes
Than that which hath no foil to set it off.
I’ll so offend, to make offence a skill;
Redeeming time when men think least I will.

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 19, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.P.P.S. (ha)

re: the basketball gods…I didn’t sacrifice all those fatted calves for nothing…

We're from the city with the highest murder rate in the country. Why WOULDN'T they call us the Bullets?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 19, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Writing a John Wall Track @ Work

to record tonight. Going to the beat of Cam’Ron’s Down and Out.

If anyone has any good lines for me to put in, holler at me.

I have only written a hook so far.

Prada if I get it laid down tonight I will send to you.

shine like bald head, smoke trees call me log head

by ThaCaronic on May 19, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

nickname

you somehow have to work in his new nickname

“The Great Wall of Chinatown”

by macattack777 on May 19, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dreamed up an entire Wall-inspired rap song in my head last night

the only part I remember is that I rhymed “number one” with “get buckets son”

by morethesamewiz on May 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

“Wizard of Wall” doesn’t sound bad either.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

good morning all

I got to read some reaction late last night but didn’t get to post. Mike you captured my initial response to the “Turner vs Wall” posts perfectly: don’t overthink it. Don’t screw this up by getting lost in stats. Turner is a heck of a player and I would be happy to have him, if I had no shot at John Wall.

i was very impressed with how Wall handled that UK team. He came in with the rep as the best in the country. He never forced a personal agenda on the team even though he was pegged as the potential top pick in the draft. he played defense, he hit open men and he showed he was a better athlete than 99.9% of the guys he played against. Very mature for his age. he will have no shortage of help to work on his jump shot, which isn’t broken in the first place.

Congrats to the Wizards ticket reps as well. they’ve had a tough year and felt the brunt of the teams’ nose dive. I hope they knocked a couple back last night because they will be busy.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the post

But now in the harsh light of a Wednesday morning I am starting to come off my high from last night a bit. What kind of talent do we consider Wall to be? I only got to watch him play a few times in college and he had good games and showed real flashes of excellence, but it seems from everyones comments and evauations that he is not a bona fide, franchise changing player, but a potential great player who could be a key cog on a championship team. So what are we saying about his ceiling? Is he going to be a Rose, Derron Williams, or Chris Paul? I guess what I’m saying is are we getting too excited by winning a player who may not change the fortunes of the team just by his presence?

by seewhite on May 19, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Right now

his floor is Derrick Rose….. Absolute worst case scenario = Derrick Rose

He’s just as good a penetrator as Rose – RIGHT NOW.
He’s a better defender than Rose
Not as good a shooter
He’s more athletic than Rose (and THAT’s saying a LOT)

His ceiling is really unlimited (better than Williams? Better than Paul?) – but he IS a Franchise changing player. A player that will be a multiple-year All-Star.

He’s the best Point Guard prospect to come out of the Draft in the last 5 years….

He’s in the Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Carmello Anthony category….. A player that you CAN build your franchise around…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 19, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Derrick Rose

If that’s as good as he will ever be, but I am hoping for much more. Hard to argue against taking a guy who has been anticipated as a number one pick since he was a junior in high school. Calipari sure can pick em.

by seewhite on May 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t answer that with any certainty, but I know this. If you look back on the history of #1 picks, those picks tend to fall into two categories: #1 picks who were consensus #1 picks for a long time, often years before they entered the draft, and #1 picks who emerged as the favorite for the pick often just days or weeks before the draft. Examples of the first group: LeBron, Duncan, Greg Oden, Shaq, etc. Examples of the latter group: Kwame, Bargnani, Pervis, Joe Smith, Derrick Rose, Bogut, Kenyon Martin, Olowakandi, and I think even Iverson.

John Wall has been projected (on nbadraft.net and draftexpress, etc.) to be the #1 pick this year since at least the Fall of 2008. Accordingly, he falls in that first group, and that’s a great starting point. There are never any guarantees — injuries can happen (see Oden) — but the unquestioned, topflight talent is there.

by disgrunted on May 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

just me

but everyone knew for over a year that this draft was John Wall and everybody else. Not that there won’t be excellent players in this draft, I think Favors is the next most likely to blow up, but Wall is in a tier of his own.

What separates good from great is Wall’s speed. He goes from zero to sixty faster than anyone he played against this year. I think he will be that fast in the NBA too. He’s a righty that likes to beat people left. He finishes above the rim. He likes playing defense and does it well. his jumper needs work, but he went out in the NCAA’s and shot 6 for 10 from 3.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one weakness

He does seem to have is his shooting, which is a troubling sign, but is certainly one of the things that can be worked on and improved. Lots of guys come into the pros with the reputation of being poor outside shooters, most of them really, and I think something like that just comes with repetition and playing night in and night out with the big leaguers.

by seewhite on May 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think he will help the FA market for 2011?

Don’t forget, Carmelo and Durant have both expressed interest in leaving for the DC area, to be closer to home.

It’s a long shot, but just giving food for thought.

by callmecostanza on May 19, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree Mike...

No reason to overthink this.

Pick Wall.

Assume Gilbert is thrilled, contrite, hungry and willing to blend in, because you have to expect that he is…

Assume Blatche is thrilled and grateful, because he as much as said so.

Build a nice, inexpensive, flexible supporting cast behind Wall, Gil and Blatche for next season, but keep the 3-slot and the war chest for summer 2011, when the target will be KD or Melo.

About the supporting cast:

1. Give Nick his chance to show he belongs. Ditto JVM.

2. Draft big at 30 (Varnado, pease God, can you smile on us twice in one draft?) and 35.

3. Sign either Miller or J-Ho to a reasonable deal to hold down the 3 slot backed up by Al Thornton until we make the move on the big stud next summer. Two years ideally,

4. Sign Singleton as the fourth big to complement Blatche, JVM and Varnado.

5. Make Shaun a fair offer but don’t be sad to say sayonara if someone offers him a chance to start… Lakers, Heat. Hawks… He for sure won’t be playing more than 15 minutes a game for the Wizzies. If Shaun goes, shop the D-League, there is bound to be another Sundiata Gaines out there.

Target the playoffs in 2010-11 with the objective of making an impression at least equal to OKC this year,

The Wizards cannot, repeat cannot, be in a better place than they are now in the wake of the debacle of the last two years. Call it what you will, blind luck, good fortune, whatever, the big question is whether Flip and Ernie can rise to the now-at-least-plausible challenge of building a champion for Ted over the next half-decade.

by khrabb on May 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as the playoffs go

It’s the East, so who knows, but I think the ceiling, impression-wise, would be the Bucks or the Bulls (this year’s variety. Last year’s Bulls team was a thing of wonder). The OKC kids have had at least some time to come together. Oh, and they have Durant.

by imperialme on May 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh khrabb

You can be High Pontiff in the Nick Young Cult.

One of the things that gets lost in this is that it basically takes the decision of Foye out of our hands. We don’t really need him anymore. Rook or Mike, does that mean more money?

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on May 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Getting the #1 pick means the Wizards will have just slightly LESS than $20 Million in Cap room this summer… Here is the Breakdown:

Gilbert Arenas $17,730,693
Andray Blatche $ 3,260,331
Al Thornton $ 2,814,196
Nick Young $ 2,630,503
Javale McGee $ 1,601,040
Quinton Ross $ 1,146,337
1st pick $ 4,286,900
30th Pick $ 850,800
34th Pick $ 473,604
Roster Hold $ 473,604
Roster Hold $ 473,604
Roster Hold $ 473,604

TOTAL $36,215,216
Projected Cap $56,100,000
Max Cap Space $19,884,784

As you can see, this assumes the Wizards renounce the rights to ALL their Free Agents (Miller, Foye, Singleton, Livingston, Boykins, Crittenton, Cartier Martin, Cedric Jackson, Chris Whitney, Anthony Pealer and Oberto) – - – AND they will have to renounce their trade exceptions and the Mid-Level Exception….. to get to the $19.9 Million..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 19, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm with you

we need whitney’s 3point shooting off the bench!

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on May 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming

the following dudes will get to walk.

Miller
Foye
Martin
Jackson
Crittendon
Boykins

and we will make a run at resigning

Livingston
Singleton
Howard (maybe?)

what would be the max total pot of money you would be willing to offer to resign these guys?

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on May 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Singleton – 3-years, starting at $2.5 Million (3rd year a Team Option)

Livingston – 3-years, starting at 3.5 Million (3rd year a Team Option) – although Wall makes resigning Livingston less of a priority. Obviously Arenas can fill in at PG when needed…. so we may be able to get by with a D-League guy like a Dee Brown type or use a 2nd round draft pick on a prospect.

Howard – Don’t resign him – draft for a SF instead and hope that between the new draft choice, Thornton and Nick Young, you can shape one of them into a decent SF.

You still need one more player – so you sign an undrafted rookie to a minimum contract

That keeps about $14 Million for next year…. and if the Salary Cap increases again, the Wiz would once again be in a position to offer a max deal to Kevin Durant or Carmello Anthony.

PG = John Wall, Livingston, Draft pick
SG = Arenas, Young, Minimum Contract
SF = Thornton, Young, Ross
PF = Blatche, Singleton, Draft pick
C = McGee, Blatche, Draft pick

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am 92% in agreement, Rook...

I would just rather have Miller or Howard as the lead placeholder at SF assuming we can get one them on a short term deal (or a frontloaded 3 yr mid-level deal of, say, $4.5-6 million next year, half of than guaranteed in years two and three).

Your SF depth chart just does not cut it If you believe (as I do) that management would like to get the revamped team’s feet wet in the playoffs this year.

We are in violent agreement on the goal of getting KD or ’Melo to sign on in summer 2011.

by khrabb on May 19, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with trying to resign Miller or Howard

is that I believe that both will want something around the MLE – or $5.7 Million per year….

If you want to play in the FA market in 2011, you just cannot afford Miller or Howard

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 19, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard

Should be receptive to a 1 year deal for 7M. he gets to show he’s healthy and still gets more than the MLE.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct me if im wrong

but didnt Howard tear his knee up around the same time Gil did. We all thought Gil was going to make a come back the following season and they quickly shut that down. I honestly don’t see Howard playing next year so 7 million is definitely silly money for him to play at best the last 20 games of the season.

by ccrun1800 on May 19, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He and Gilbert do not have the same knees or the same knee injuries. I never said to just hand it to him. He has to be healthy. The 7M would have to include incentives for games or minutes played.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you really construct a contract like that in the NBA

I know in football Ricky Williams signed that incredibly stupid deal that was based solely on incentives. But that’s football and the NBA is a completely different animal.

by ccrun1800 on May 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Miller is still in the mix of potential keepers...

Livingston almost has to go if he gets an offer that gives him a chance to start.

I think it’s Howard or Miller depending in large part on the prognosis on Howard’s knee and on whatever offers either man might get from elsewhere.

Foye I agree is as good as gone. He had played himself well behind both Young and Livingston by season’s end. A shame because he was really our first round draft choice last year and he is clearly good people.

by khrabb on May 19, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Singleton contract

2006-625K
2007-650K
2008-Unsigned
2009- 826K
2010-1 mill

Although his raw numbers have improved, his per 40 numbers are unchanged throughout his career. @ 2.5 mill/yr we would be bidding against ourselves. He would probably be thrilled with a 3 yrs 1 mill/yr 3rd yr team option. Its as much as he’s ever received, and its a three-year deal which is more security than he has had in the past three seasons.

by morethesamewiz on May 19, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course,

Sean Fagan asked for the “max total pot of money you would be willing to offer to resign these guys”

Obviously, if Singleton would sign for less, great…. But based on what I’ve seen from his play this year – and I’m not even talking about stats, but the intangibles he brought to the team (energy, desire, leadership, defensive intensity, aggressiveness, etc…) – I would be willing to pay $2.5 Million…. because I believe that there WILL BE teams out there in the market for both Singleton and Livingston.

You can pay him whatever you think he’s worth….

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on May 19, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

slight tangent -

just heard an interview with ernie grunfeld – that guy’s ability to not reveal ANYTHING in his answers to questions is truly awe-inspiring. and actually pretty hilarious.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on May 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

He’s a terrible interview because you end up with no more answers at the end than you had at the start. He delicately avoids saying anything meaningful about well…anything.

by morethesamewiz on May 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although through the wishwash

he did say “we want wall” before walking it back unconvincingly by noting how a lot of teams want wall. he also dismissed any possibility of trading the pick, and suggested the wizards would wait til next summer before making major FA moves, all of which are fairly obvious non-revelation revelations but at the same time a baby step towards communication

by morethesamewiz on May 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i don't hold it against him -

i just think it’s pretty awesome.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on May 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

I have no problem with the tact of being competitive in the short term while building long term. That’s the path we could have used in the past instead of keeping the “contender myth” alive. One way I haven’t read much about is signing RFA to a larger single season contract than they would get from signing their tender. Said RFA would make more guaranteed from us or their original team. They’d be back on the market next year. For us they’d have a chance to play with Wall et al for a season but not be on the payroll in 2011.

Not much to change from what khrabb wrote except to take the best available player at #30. Another quality big would be great but don’t pass on a better player for height. I’m not shying away from a Stanley Robinson/SF just to pick another big. You’re projecting a role player who wouldn’t keep a big time 3 from signing here anyway.

I also make a play for Livingston. He’ll know he won’t be starting but does he really think its start or bust right now? he needs to a have a good full season first. He wasn’t going to start with GA, he won’t start with JW. he can still play next to Gilbert or run the back up point to Wall. I think he’d be receptive to that knowing Flip will use him and push him to use his offensive talents.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Along the same lines
One way I haven’t read much about is signing RFA to a larger single season contract than they would get from signing their tender. Said RFA would make more guaranteed from us or their original team. They’d be back on the market next year. For us they’d have a chance to play with Wall et al for a season but not be on the payroll in 2011.

If the team thinks Josh Howard will be healthy, they can easily choose to overpay him for a year and still free up 10 million cap space for next year simply by picking up his option. Assuming he returns in good health, I think that its not a bad way to go.

by hotplate on May 19, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Although i see no point in paying him 10-11M. He will play here, knowing he will get minutes, for 7M or so. More than the MLE but not full price.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have to move GIlbert now

If we had gotten the 2nd pick, Turner fits in great with Gilbert. With Wall, I am not so sure. Looking forward to your post. But I am all about sending our 2nd + NY + Gilbert for Ed Curry. The Knicks are going all-in. If they got Areans for what amounted to 6 million this year, they could sign Joe Johnson to a max contract and still have room for LeBron/Wade/Bosh. Adding GIlbert makes a lot of sense from that perspective. Then we still do the Bring Out Your Dead strategy. Try to build the talent level. Then we add either Melo or Durant the next season, sign a mid-level guy, and we become championship material.

by zeke5123 on May 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

good luck

Who is taking him off our hands and what garbage contracts are we taking back?

the best thing for all parties is for him to work more off the ball, rehabilitate his game and his image this season so he is positioned for a deal in 2011.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy, but hesitant

Wing players are easy to come by, but special wing players (LBJ, Bird, MJ, Carmelo) turn you into a contender awfully quick. I don’t know if Evans is that type of talent, but he does fill a glaring need with brimming ability.

With that out of my system, I’m fully onboard with the Wall camp. He’ll give every other team fits w/ his athleticism, his composure (from what I’ve read) is outstanding, and he’ll do whatever it takes to win. I was most impressed with his quote about perspective. When asked about going to the Wizards, he said he was just happy to be considered, since he had nothing two years ago. This guy is NOT Steve Francis (even though his size and game is somewhat reminiscent of the MD guard before he lost it).

As for Arenas, I completely disagree with the statement that this franchise “owes” it to him to see how he plays with a superstar PG. He’s been paid astronomical sums of money to be our superstar and it’s an epic fail so far. If anything, Gilbert owes it to the franchise to drop the excuses, drop the antics, and learn how to play alongside Wall effectively.

by jvflail on May 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, in retrospect, that was a poor choice of words
As for Arenas, I completely disagree with the statement that this franchise "owes" it to him to see how he plays with a superstar PG.

Maybe a better way to put it is that the franchise owes its fans the right to give Gilbert a chance to redeem himself and work it out with a superstar talent like Wall.

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by Mike Prada on May 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“If Arenas is an epic fail so far”

I guess that I really like epic fails then. From what I recall the only thing exciting about this team was Arenas. That statement is like a Cleveland fan saying, “Lebron is an epic fail” Delonte West could have gone out and dropped 54 a night. It just leave me befuddled.

by Unxpekted on May 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Arenas hasn't played in three years, almost four

so it is hard to see how he is the most exciting about this team. Yes he was exciting, but he was nothing but a big bundle of frustrating in his limited action last year. Admittedly it was not all his fault fo the poor start, but I think it is hard to argue that Arenas in Washington has been anything but a failure so far. He still has time to prove himself, but the past is the past, and if you don’t contribute to your team for such a long time, then I consider that to be a pretty big failure.

by seewhite on May 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

were you watching DC basketball before he got here? Did you take note of the consecutive years of playoff appearances, all star appearances and solid crowds at MCI/VC? No way to call him a failure because that’s part of what he is paid to do. Play well, win, fill seats. he did all three.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been watching the whole time

And the contract to pay him $111 million over 6 years has been an epic failure so far. Arenas did all those good things under the previous contract. Since paying him superstar money, he’s done diddly. And by diddly I mean tons of injuries, few wins, no all-star appearances, no play-off appearances, and serious franchise embarrassment.

He still has time to turn it around and I hope he does, but to say he’s earned his current salary for glories of 4 years past doesn’t hold water to me. If he comes back, shuts up, averages 20 pts/game on solid shooting, helps Wall adapt to the pro game, tries on defense, and takes over at the end of games, then he’ll have earned his current salary. If he does half those things and we start winning, he’ll have made his contract understandable. The potential exists, however, that he does none of those things, and then the epic fail turns into an all-out disaster.

by jvflail on May 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is hard to argue that Arenas in Washington has been anything but a failure so far

This is what we’re discussing. He played before the contract. You can’t ignore what happened before just because the contract and his health since is a mess.
I never said he has earned his current contract. I said he was not a failure and he has not been. He made a lot of money for this franchise by putting butts in the seats and actually getting them to the second round of the playoffs.

by Jheiser3 on May 19, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

2 cents

OK, I have gone on record as saying that I think we should take Turner. First of all, NEVER did I think we would have the opportunity to choose first. But, now that we have, I have swayed some. I definitely think Turner is gonna be a hell of a player. And I also think that he would be a much better fit with this team.

Now, all that said. We are talking about the first overall pick. Which means you don’t fit him with the team. You make the pick with the intention of building the team around him. While I do believe Turner is the more finished product, I think Wall has the more higher ceiling and, perhaps more important, is the more dynamic player. There’s no doubt that your number one pick needs to sell tickets. This is the reason I STILL defend is choosing Kwame Brown over Shane Battier. Yes, Battier has been the much better pro. But he was never gonna fill seats. Turner may fill seats, but he won’t fill as many as Wall.

But selling tickets isn’t the only reason to draft Wall. You draft him also because you are no longer depending on Arenas as your “franchise player”. Your draft pick will (hopefully) be your best player, so you can’t waste timing worrying about how he fits with Arenas. You make Arenas fit with him.

Of course, I think the ultimate scenario would be to trade Arenas. Maybe to one of the teams left holding nothing when the music stops in the free agent carousel.

by CJHutch on May 19, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with CJ

Irregardless of what happened this year you gotta say based on what he has been available to do the last 3 years it would be unwise to continue planning around him. It’s time to make other plans and hope Gilbert comes back and helps the team. Gilbert and what he can do for us moving on(as a member of the team or through trade) is a completely seperate matter from what we should do with the #1 pick IMO.

by BayAreaBullet on May 20, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lebron and Haywood Arenas off the Bench (6th man)

If we could ever get Lebron, Haywood, and have Arenas agree to be the Best 6th man coming off the bench as hisnew #6 jeresy suggest, if he is willing to do it, we are a deep bench. You guys are nuts to turn down Lebron, if he ever agrees to come here. He could at least guarantee a show in the playoff and sell out tickets, deep coverage on national TV, and may make Leonis to go ahead and pay the luxery tax. He does not need to run the show! As I see it we have a New big 3 Arenas, Lebron, Wall. If arenas comes off the bench, that gives us a 30 plus scoring bench evey game. Isn’t that a formula for Championship Team?
1. John Wall
2. Lebron
3. Andre Blatch
4. Howard
5. Brendan Haywood

 Bench
Gilbert Arenas
Miller
Young
Mcgee
Livingston
Singleton

by ncq3 on May 19, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

John Wall

With Wall, Arenas, Blatche, Young, Thornton and McGee, the Wizards have some young talent and could finish .500 and make the playoffs. I think they’ll eventually trade Arenas because it will be a crowded backcourt, but there’s not a huge rush. Keeping Arenas for half a season, or a season or two would help Wall ease into the league. The Wizards will also sign a couple of free agents.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37753-DC-Sports-Examiner~y2010m5d18-Lady-Luck-Washington-Wizards-get-top-pick-in-NBA-Draft-Lottery-chance-for-John-Wall-of-Kentucky

Former Bullet Kevin Grevey said he liked the Wizards’ future in this interview, and that was when he thought the Wizards would get the No. 5 pick.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37753-DC-Sports-Examiner~y2010m5d10-Part-2-Former-Washington-Bullet-Kevin-Grevey-on-the-78-NBA-title-season-Kentucky-and-the-Wizards

by MikeFrandsen on May 20, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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