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Ted Leonsis proclaims belief in basketball analytics on radio

UPDATE: Here's a link to the whole thing.  Thanks, Joe!

I had a chance to listen to part of Ted Leonsis' radio appearance on the Mike Wise Show on 106.7 The Fan while working today.  Let's just say I came away incredibly, incredibly impressed.

Leonsis took a few questions about the Wizards, and the very first thing he said was that he strongly believes in analytics in basketball.  He said he thinks basketball is a great sport for analytics because it has "bite-size statistics," referring specifically to per-possession stuff.  When asked to elaborate, Leonsis said he had a high school coach (he was a point guard) who really got through to him on the importance of every single possession and the simple idea of maximizing what you do when you have the ball.  

One thing I know is that the Wizards do not currently have an analytics department, though they do have some people who are open to it.  Tommy Sheppard, the assistant GM, reportedly attended the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at MIT earlier last month (though I think he was only there on Saturday).  I do not believe Ernie Grunfeld shares that enthusiasm for analytics.  

Anyway, here are some other snippets from the radio appearance:

  • The most important thing for Leonsis is to take emotions out of the picture as much as possible when making a decision.  "We want to look at everything analytically rather than emotionally," he said.  He cited the example of Capitals GM George McPhee letting go of longtime goalie Olaf Kolzig, which was difficult, but still the right thing to do because his game had declined.
  • You might remember that the first of Leonsis' 10 points to building a successful team is to ask yourself if you ever see your team competing for a championship.  If yes, then devote time to it, but if not, don't be afraid to blow it up.  He expounded on that today, saying that he's willing to commit serious resources, but only if you believe your team as currently constructed can win it all.  If not, he said there's no shame in blowing it up.  "What's the worst that could happen?" he said, adding that, while fans may stop showing up to games, fans aren't showing up for the Wizards right now anyway.
  • Regarding building through the draft, Leonsis says he's studied successful teams in all sports, and found that most of them build their team primarily through the draft.  
  • Leonsis said that most NBA players peak statistically around age 25 or 26, saying that Andray Blatche is getting better primarily because he's getting closer to that age.  He also cited LeBron, implying that LeBron is close to his peak at this point.  Wise did the right thing and followed up with a question about Gilbert Arenas being 28, one which Leonsis mostly avoided except to say that there are some outliers like Michael Jordan.
I didn't listen to the whole thing, so if anyone did, fill in any blanks in the comments.  Either way, bring on the new era already!

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If he "strongly believes" in b-ball analytics

then he can’t have a GM who doesn’t (Grunfeld), can he?

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

That's my read on this too

But we’ll see.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Ern

Is a holdover of the family-business style of the Pollins. He is an old school, eyeball test, handshake test kinda guy. the changing of the guard is coming. He will not be the guy making decisions for this franchise on a day to day basis once the transition is complete.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Analytics is becoming a HUGE part of what keeps teams successful

I heard the Rockets GM Daryl Morey speak at my company regarding his use of statistical based analysis when scouting potential players, and I was very impressed with the level of detail involved in this approach as opposed to more traditional scouting methods. I am a firm believer in it and would definitely like to see the Wiz use a similar approach going forward. I think it would help us get the maximum out of our draft picks and future free agents. Look at the current teams that use this type of player analysis and see where they are in the current standings:

BOSTON
HOUSTON
DALLAS

Those are just the teams that I know of.

by TheRealBigMike on Apr 2, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams with full-fledged analytics people in the front office:

Boston
Houston
Dallas
Portland
Denver
Cleveland
Memphis (started this season)
Orlando
San Antonio
Toronto (started this season)
Oklahoma City

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lakers too I thought

Starting this year.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve had Rudy T’s son in their front office for awhile. From what I’ve heard, Mitch and Phil don’t rely on him at all. There are some other teams who have analytics guys, but I’m listing the ones who really impact decisions with coaching and/or management.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or course, this implies that Grunfeld wholeheartedly doesn't

Which is not true.

He just leans heavily toward visual observation, but has mentioned that the Wizards “use services.”

So, I wouldn’t read too much into all of that.

Also worth noting: the “official” title of Ryan Saunders is “Assistant Coach/Statistical Analysis” — and he was the driving force behind the itouches and whatever the coaches have, Flip has mentioned this before, that breaks down the statistics of whatever plays they run, and how, and their success rate, etc. … during games, in real time.

That being said, having the coaching staff use statistics is different from the GM/front office implementing them in constructing the team.

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by Kyle Weidie on Apr 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder where the iTouches are now.

Do Caron, AJ et al still have them? Did Gee get one? Howard? Gooden? Z? Did they give out 27 iTouches this year?

by MR on Apr 2, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not impressed with Ted's statements

“Leonsis said that most NBA players peak statistically around age 25 or 26, saying that Andray Blatche is getting better primarily because he’s getting closer to that age. "

Awful example. It was called Antawn Jamison was in his way.

And Jordan did statistically peak at 24. He was wrong there too.

Ted…stick to dot com talk instead of bball.

There are a lot more elements that go into statistical peaking than just age. It’s called your surrounding teammates, style of offense, position you play, years in the league, etc etc

Please just sit back and hire a good gm and coach.

by jdgreger on Apr 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously?

Did you really think that he thought age was the only factor?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And re: MJ

I probably should clarify to say it didn’t seem like he was exactly saying MJ peaked later statistically – he was more saying some players can maintain their level of production as they reach their 30s.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Kobe is another good example of this.

by hibachi on Apr 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also have to think

that Arenas has not really played NBA level basketball in the past couple years, so that does save some wear and tear on his body. So even though he may be 28, he should still be able to produce as he did at 25-26 (granted he keeps himself in shape).

by TheRealBigMike on Apr 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

michael jordan transitioned into a new game. he was not driving to the rim and dunking on everyone on every possession in his 30s. but he was bigger, stronger, and developed a killer jump shot. i think it is obvious but as you age, strength, touch and technique become much more imp as athleticism fades. if you dont evolve, then you peak earlier!

by les boulez bomber on Apr 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked at stats and found that "most players peak statistically around age 25 or 26."

Are you saying that he was wrong about that fact? At what age do “most players peak statistically” in your view?

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying his two examples were wrong

especially with his own player blatche…the reason blatche blossomed was increased playing time due to the twan trade. If twan was still here blatche would not be blossoming.

If Jordan was on this years wizards team when he was 34, he would have averaged 75 points a game and statistically peaked instead of age 24.

More elements involved than age. But I do understand his logic and hopefully he’s moving towards the OK city model. But you have to hit the jackpot and get a once in a lifetime cornerstone player in like Michael Durant in order to succeed.

by jdgreger on Apr 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

michael durant is kevin's younger and more talented brother :-)

lol..

i meant he should talk at a high level overview regarding the nba….cause when he tried to be more detailed he failed with his examples.

by jdgreger on Apr 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean ... he was on a radio show

And the truth is, he’s right about Dray – this has been his best per-minute season of his career, and that’s even before Jamison got traded.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

An owner can't just be hands-off

He has to understand at least enough about the sport to choose a good GM. He can’t just rely on others to tell him who a good GM will be.

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Ted. Stick to dot com talk instead of bball. It’s called leave bball to the experts here on the internet.

by MR on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol though i do think many here would do a better job than the current front office, myself included.

by les boulez bomber on Apr 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Lebron mention shouldn't be taken lightly

I’ve posted a few times throwing out the Lebron idea and believe that if we get a great lottery pick that we will enter the sweepstakes. Leonsis is pointing out that Lebron is just reaching his peak and then also mentions how a few like MJ can maintain that peak.

Now he does say that if you feel you can make a run at a championship then you devote to it. But I have no doubt that with Gil under contract for 4 more years, Blatche hitting his peak, and adding Wall or Turner, that it is worth it to invest a 5 year max deal in Lebron.

I know people can’t stand Lebron, but we have so much more talent to offer than New York or New Jersey. And minus Lebron, our team has more talent than Cleveland. DC is already one of his 5 favorite cities. And building ties in DC can further his desire to be a worldwide icon just as much as NYC or LA.

Leonsis was heavily involved in recruiting Jordan. He knows the value of having the best player in a particular sport. Mark my words that we are a legitimate candidate for Lebron if the ping pong balls go our way. And after the fiasco of last year’s draft, the universe owes us.

by gorebd on Apr 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The universe also owes us...

For years of injuries and the gun fiasco. All added up, I think acquiring John Wall and Lebron would balance everything out. : )

by gorebd on Apr 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the idea

But there’s no way it happens. This team isn’t more talented than Cleveland even with two 1s next year, and Leonsis probably has enough of a sour taste in his mouth from Jordan and Jagr to do it his way.

Look at it like this: the Caps would be an exorbitantly good team if they didn’t get Ovechkin, though maybe not a championship contender. The Wizards need to be focused on building a solid franchise and with any luck that franchise guy will turn up. I just can’t watch the crap that’s gone on the last two years anymore. Give me a young, hungry team that will improve. Please.

That's right, I said the Wizards would win 49 games in 09-10. Free advice is sometimes worth what you pay.

by bronco6778 on Apr 2, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Stuff for longsuffering fans

I love what Leonisis said – what a contrast to the last 20 years.

1. Blow it up if you are going to win a championship. Under Abe, they were always trying to win a couple of more games now no matter how bad or how unlikely they were gong to go anywhere other than the first or, once, the second round, and there never was a plan for the future. This led them to consistently trade young for older, declining players or trading away draft picks in the hope they would win a few more games now.
2. Use analytics and analysis rather than emotion. Under the Pollins, often players were signed or kept more for emotional reasons (The one exception was not hiring MJ and his sycophants) than basketball reasons including the absurd Gilbert contract after the knee injury and Jamison contract at his age.
3. Why not blow it up and see what happens. No one is going to any games anyway. Now that is the right attitude for a sports owner! It is more fun to watch a team with a plan and young players than a team trying to squeeze into the playoffs with older players who will never come close to wining you a championship.

Wizards championship; NU Cats tourney team - 2013

by tgmcgill on Apr 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I definitely agree with this...

If the Wiz managment can do things right, we could have a young competitive (playoff bound) team in 2-3 years (i.e. Atlanta).

by TheRealBigMike on Apr 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It took Atlanta a lot longer than 2-3 years

Though they also went through several quasi-rebuilding stages.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta's been together several years

and yet has never been a championship contender, well at least not according to any analysis I’ve ever seen, regardless of how good their win totals may have looked over the course of the past several years. Not my favorite model, perennial playoff team and yet non-contender

by morethesamewiz on Apr 2, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Advocating the OKC Model?

If he is, then I am breathing a sigh of relief. That decision is going to be pivotal in our approach to this summer’s free agency period. Fingers crossed that we spend little money this summer.

by morethesamewiz on Apr 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I also think that OKC got lucky

Very rare when you can find three high-level players in two consecutive drafts who mesh well together and are able to play off one another from the start.

by TheRealBigMike on Apr 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a combination of luck and skill

Like all things. Westbrook at 4 was a surprising pick. So was Green at 5. Then, of course, there was all the maneuvering that Presti did to get more picks to take guys like Ibaka and trade for someone like Sefolosha.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Analytics vs. emotion?

I prefer finding the right balance to supporting one and rejecting the other. I also think emotion isn’t the alternative to analytics, so that’s a bit of a straw man to me (it was just a radio interview though, no need to read too much into anything). Of course organizational decisions shouldn’t be made strictly based on emotion, teams need to know when to part ways with players like Kolzig. But nonetheless, loyalty is also an integral part of sports and team building so that aspect shouldn’t be discounted completely.

But again, emotion is hardly the alternative approach to analytics. If analytics means factoring in things like statistics, I’d say the alternative approach is relying on your eyes/instincts (doing it the old fashioned way), where emotion doesn’t need to have any influence. Again I think finding the right balance is the prefered methodology, but frankly I’d say eyes/instincts should easily trump statistics. That said I would completely welcome it if the Wizards hired a bunch of statasticians and data geeks so that we can finally welcome the team into the 21st Century.

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 2, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

To me, the attraction to analytics is that it serves as a check on our instinctive reactions to/analysis of players, not that it should be the only tool. We all have our biases — me, I am biased in favor of defensive players. But basketball is a game where players, to be properly analyzed, need to be measured on a variety of skills, and if people are biased to place emphasis on only a few of those skills, poor decisions result.

So, analytics can help someone like Eddie “I’m not a stats guy” Jordan. Eddie could have sat down with advanced stats and thought, “OK, I am uncomfortable with Brendan Haywood on the court, but I really love what Michael Ruffin brings to the table. But why is that? These stats tell me that Brendan is a much better and more effective player. Am I letting personal issues get in the way? Do I only value certain attributes in a big man? Do my systems require a certain type of player? How do I reconcile my feelings and opinions with these stats?” So, it’s a tool to help people better understand themselves and better evaluate players, but not the be-all and end-all way of analyzing.

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree

I think stats can be helpful exactly the way you describe.

My point may seem obvious however I make it because there’s no doubt there are stats people who do take the value of analytics too far. Hollinger for example is a bit of an extreme of someone who’ll defend the validity of his statistical models whatever the results say, rather than conceding that they inevitably has their weaknesses (such as statements he’s made justifying his middle of the pack ranking for Dallas).

It’s not like I’m familiar in any way with the analytics movement in basketball, but I know stats people in general can have a tendency to overvalue their work (IMO at least), as much as stats can be undervalued elsewhere.

And any time you have a situation where your eyes are telling you one thing, your stats are telling you another, how you value the two inputs will ultimately shape the decisions you make. Figuring out that aspect of it is easier said than done.

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with everything you said

especially the criticism of that tool Hollinger

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Hollinger

Who I actually generally like, I think he’s branded as the “stat guy” at ESPN, which explains in part why all his columns feature justifications based on his stuff.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hollinger is not employed by an NBA team. Like I said in my post below, all of the teams that successfully use statistical analysis in decision-making understand that statistics are a supplementary tool, meant to be used in combination with visual evaluation. Like I said, all of the prominent “stats guys” around the league watch as much basketball as the non-stats guys.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

“And any time you have a situation where your eyes are telling you one thing, your stats are telling you another, how you value the two inputs will ultimately shape the decisions you make. Figuring out that aspect of it is easier said than done.”

When that happens, you go back and re-watch things from your new perspective, and then come to a more informed decision. Whether someone is using stats or not in making evaluations and decisions, the person who approaches things more rationally, has less bias, is more open-minded about the decision, and has better perceptive ability will most often come to a more sound decision. Stats guys and non-stats guys are equally capable of coming to idiotic conclusions.

That said, those stats guys who have an extreme view of things (statistics are an end-all, be-all, “I don’t need to watch basketball to analyze it”) are typically ones who aren’t employed by teams, or if they are, don’t get far enough in the hierarchy to really influence decisions. There are some exceptions, of course.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think we've come a long way in the last two years

To the point where we have molded both perspectives into one. There are so many sites like yours (of course), 82games (when they update), basketballvalue, etc. who are working on highly specific, contextualized stats, and we didn’t have a lot of those two years ago.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is absolutely true, and it’s why having a strong background in basketball is essential for successful application of statistics in the decision-making process. If you don’t understand the context for the statistics, you’re bound to come to incredibly awful conclusions (see anything ever written by David Berri).

The future of the NBA (or for a select few teams, the present) is a front office of people with no attachment to conventional wisdom and who are equally well versed both in basketball and in analytics (statistical or otherwise). Having a GM who is an expert in scouting, statistical analysis, and the CBA, while also having a strong grasp of logic and big picture thinking in decision-making is becoming more and more essential.

Another thing of note here is the landscape of personnel management in basketball today is completely different from what it was 10 years ago. If a GM comes along citing his successful resume from the 1990’s, you should really take that with a grain of salt, because the playing field was completely different back then. Today there is a better understanding of statistical analysis, much more data available via tools like Synergy, and DVR/Synergy/DirecTV have completely changed the way teams can scout teams (it can be done so much more efficiently and comprehensively that a GM could theoretically have no staff and still thoroughly scout the entire draft class).

In the 90’s and prior, you pretty much had everyone with extensive regional scouting staffs, relying on second-hand information and gut feels for personnel decisions, and tons of bad decisions being made left and right. If you were a top 5 GM in that environment, it doesn’t mean you’re still capable of being a top 5 GM with the same methodology going up against Pritchard and Presti and Buford and Ferry and the rest, all of whom are integrating so much more into their decision-making processes and significantly elevating the level of competency around the league.

That’s not to say successful GM’s from that era can’t adapt and still remain on top (Buford’s been around a decent chunk of time and San Antonio has consistently adapted and evolved with the changing times), but you need to be open and honest with yourself and realize that the way the game is evaluated has evolved, and if you too don’t evolve, you’re going to be left in the dust.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

Gotta run, but thanks for your perspective on everything.

What’s your website anyways?

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 2, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoopdata.com

I cite it a lot.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 2, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope there aren’t a bunch of Hollingers running basketball teams, and I’d imagine you’re right that there aren’t.

That said, I guess one of my points is simply that inserting statistics into the decision-making equation is much easier said than done. There’s no question that it can help, and I agree that in recent years things have gotten better (or I can imagine they have – believe me, I’m not one speaking from experience, as others here may be).

But things aren’t as simple as saying: stats good, vision/instincts good, it’s all can be a happy marriage. I can’t imagine that even among the teams that do use analytics, that there’s agreement on how much to give value to that side of the evaluation. And I would be absolutely shocked if teams haven’t made some mistakes in overvaluing analytics. If they haven’t, perhaps they haven’t been integrating analytics enough!

For example, back when the Heat traded O’Neil to the Suns, I remember people suggesting stats may have influenced Kerr in deciding to pull the trigger, because he was an analytics kinda guy. In hindsight, O’Neil didn’t really mix very well with the Suns, something perhaps traditional scouting would be better at predicting.

Kerr clearly remains pro-analytics, and I’m sure stats have helped him along the way. My point is that just by introducing a new variable, it makes the equation more complex, and inevitably you’re opening yourself up to new errors (and perhaps better accuracy too).

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d actually say inserting statistics into the decision-making process is incredibly easy once you have sufficient background in both areas and have a good logical process for decision-making. I also tend to find that interpreting raw data yourself is better than relying on a formula that does the interpretation for you by weighting statistics into some kind of composite metric. It’s not about statistics vs scouting. It’s not about me saying Gilbert Arenas is an amazing player and some random formula saying he sucks. On the other hand, evaluating a player’s strengths and weaknesses and then looking at raw data in relevant area can be helpful to either validate subjective analysis or make you question what you think you saw.

Statistics can tell me matter of factly what percentage of available offensive rebounds a player pulls down when he’s on the floor. They can tell me matter of factly what percentage of three-point shots a player hits. They can tell me matter of factly how many points per possession a player generates as the ball-handler in a pick-and-roll. It’s then up to me as the evaluator to interpret these facts, and determine how much of it is due to player ability and how much is due to context, such as the offensive rebounder playing with a frontcourt mate who is excellent at boxing out or the three-point shooter getting a ton of open looks via system-derived offense or the pick-and-roll man struggling because the bigs he’s running the play with don’t draw sufficient defensive attention on the roll.

If you can merge the two perspectives it just gives you more information to base your decision on, painting a more complete and accurate picture.

As for Kerr, I’ve never heard of him being an analytics-driven guy, and in fact I’ve heard the exact opposite. The Shaq trade was made primarily because Kerr was determined to tear apart the run-and-gun Suns and go to a more halfcourt-style offense (something that completely underutilized the strengths of the majority of the roster, namely Nash). Same reason he brought in an inferior coach in Terry Porter and then quickly fired him.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks again

I think it’s just a matter of me getting a clearer picture of how analytics are used, and for that I appreciate your posts. If they’re used to “paint a more complete and accurate picture” then all the better.

Regarding Kerr, if my memory serves, the remarks I read suggested he relied heavily at the time on using the Suns own plus-minus rating system to make roster decisions, and that may have been a big impact on making the Shaq trade. The point was a little too speculative though, and I doubt the journalist had much insider information on the decision making process. I can’t imagine Kerr querying a player database, sorting by +/-, and saying “ooh, Shaquille O’Neil, that’s the guy we want!”

Anyways, consider me an analytics convert.

by Johnnie Futbol on Apr 3, 2010 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Possible

I remember Shaq being one of the league leaders in adjusted plus/minus at the time of the trade, despite his declining box score statistics. I remember more than a few analysts suggested that this particular stat played a role in the trade.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto

by cuppettcj on Apr 3, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

But i think this fantasy basketball stat craze that has arisen over the past couple years is complete garbage.

by baltimorebullets80 on Apr 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what the fantasy basketball stat craze is, and I doubt anyone working in the NBA does (or cares) either. To my knowledge, fantasy basketball stats are typically the same stats that old school people rely on (points per game, field goal percentage, etc). What a lot of people tend to miss is that NBA teams have used statistical analysis in decision-making since the game was created, and everyone uses statistical analysis to some extent. The difference is old school people still rely on stuff like that, whereas new school people are looking things in a more pragmatic way.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shits sounds good.

Next step. FIRE GRUNFAIL

by Unxpekted on Apr 2, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Statistics are a supplementary tool to visual evaluation. Analytics can ref to either using statistics in and of themselves or using statistics in combination with subjective evaluation to form a more complete picture. I believe a lot of people have an incorrect perception of the “stats guys” around the NBA (at least the successful ones). Pretty much all of them watch as much, if not more, basketball as all the scouts and old school front office guys. These aren’t a bunch of nerds sitting at a computer cranking out formulas and lists of who is the best player in the league.

Basketball is a context heavy game, and statistics are only useful when used within that context, and having an intimate understanding of the game and closely following it is essential for the successful application of those statistics into the decision-making process. All the teams I listed 50 posts up understand that relationship.

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, side note, I can confirm Tommy Sheppard attended the Sloan Conference in March. I can’t confirm whether he was only there on Saturday, but I can confirm that the Sloan Conference was only a one-day event (which happened to be Saturday). =)

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Are these type of stats "analytics" used for draft picks?

Seems it would be a lot harder due to the change in the competition level, but if so, who do you think the Wiz should pick if they get the 3 or 4 pick?

Wizards championship; NU Cats tourney team - 2013

by tgmcgill on Apr 2, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think statistical analysis is much less useful projecting to the NBA level than it is at analyzing within the NBA. The reasons for such are abundant: varying levels of competition, small sample size of games, different rules (zone, perimeter defense, three-point line, shot clock), and some abilities just don’t translate against bigger, longer, quicker, stronger athletes. That said, much can still be gained from statistical analysis, but I think it needs to be done with more caution, and the point of emphasizing it as only a supplementary tool to visual analysis is even more critical. Synergy has a lot of situation-specific stats that I think can be very useful as a supplementary tool, and I look at that data frequently when scouting college players (in addition to running Hoopdata.com and logging games for Synergy, I’ve also scouted the draft for DraftExpress.com for the past five seasons).

by JoeTreutlein on Apr 2, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

A breath of fresh air

Leonsis has a strategy and will attempt to execute it, even if there are set-backs along the way.

While old dogs can learn new tricks, it is likely for Leonsis to bring in new management.

It seems clear that he won’t be trading a trade choice (unless he can get a higher pick after the balls are selected).

His toughest decision will be whether he writes off millions in lost value in Arenas’ contract now, or later.

by Izman on Apr 3, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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