Poll: Was Flip Saunders out of line to criticize Andray Blatche for his altercation with Kevin Garnett?
I've been thinking about this all day, so I figured I'd poll the community. Once again, here's what Flip Saunders said about Andray Blatche and his altercation with Kevin Garnett.
"Dray is wolfing the whole time at Kevin Garnett. You can't do those kinds of things. When you're coming up and establishing yourself, you don't take a guy that's been defensive player of the year and is probably the best power forward and get that guy juiced up to play against you. You got no chance."
Once again, here's how Blatche responded:
"I see myself as defending myself as a player. I'm a man, just like they a man. If a man is talking to me this close to my face," Blatche said, moving his hand toward his cheek. "I'm going to say something back. He has to respect me just like I respect him. I just, 'Get up out of my face.' He was this close in my face - I can feel his lips touching my cheek - I wasn't bragging saying 'Ah we winning.' It was 'Back up.' "
On the one hand, at the end of the day, the Wizards lost, and Kevin Garnett did come alive to smother Blatche on several possessions late in the game. It's also important to preach to Blatche that he can't lose his cool, because he does it a lot. On the other hand, you have to wonder why Saunders isn't defending his player more vigorously. Some of the stuff KG did was borderline nasty, and I don't blame Blatche for responding. I believe him when he says he wasn't trash talking KG and that it was KG that instigated everything. I also don't think it's fair to pin the collapse on Blatche. Plus, Blatche is a sensitive dude that needs positive reinforcement, so implying that he shouldn't stand tall against one of the greats of the game could be interpreted as saying Blatche should have no pride in himself.
I don't know, it's a tough call. Therefore, poll time!
UPDATE: In my haste to get the poll up, I mixed up the answers. They should be correct now.
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I voted Blatche needs composure.
Blatche being a young guy I think its important that he realize guys are going to try and take him out of his game any way they can. If Garnett is crossing the line the refs will take care of it. If they don’t he needs to be a veteran and make sure the refs see Garnett is going to far. Bottom line we didn’t lose because of Blatche so its a good learning experience.
If Garnett is crossing the line the refs will take care of it
I don’t think they did. I mean he didn’t do anything tech-worthy, but he did throw some pretty obvious fouls around that weren’t called. I think the refs buy into the whole dynamic and when a HoF vet they’ve known and respected for years is harassing a young guy, they are unlikely to put a stop to it by calling a foul that isn’t egregious.
by MR on Mar 8, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
True
I guess the veteran move I am looking for is throwing your hands up in the air and jerking your head back or even throwing yourself to the court. Basically force the ref to make a call and clean the game up.
Thornton got thrown to the ground here (at 1:33)
KG with a very illegal pick at 1:42
An Blatche’s last miss (not pictured) was a foul by KG
http://www.nba.com/video/games/celtics/2010/03/07/0020900937_was_bos_recap.nba/index.html
Not sure what else the refs have to see.
by MR on Mar 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Where does the whole "taunting" rule come in?
Coming down court, screaming at your opponent, getting close enough to touch lips to face? That’s not taunting?
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I voted no
although I also think Saunders could’ve phrased it better, more to tie it into the “we lost composure” comments and less specifically directed at Blatche.
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Both are true, but Flip is completely wrong here
Flip should have defended his guy. And his statement was even worse in the sense that he basically implied Blatche can’t compete with Garnett. What? That’s your starting PF for the forseeable future playing against a guy who has lost two steps! That’s a BS statement from a coach considering his guy has been playing like a hall of famer lately. I personally think Blatche is better than Garnett right now.
However, Garnett is making great use of the superstar treatment officials give him. Blatche needs to recognize how the league works and keep his composure — his day will come and if he’s smart he’ll pull the same shit.
One other thing. How do you “wolf” at somebody? I’ve heard of ‘woofing’, which makes sense, but was Blatche eating really fast in Garnett’s general direction? Did he turn into a werewolf? What the hell is wolfing?
KG is the one that tried to steal away the ball like a bully
after the whistle was blown. He’s just bitter cause AB worked him like a rib.
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by Mike Prada on Mar 8, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coaches are supposed to stand up for their guys...
in situations like this. C’mon Flip, Blatche is busting his butt for you.
i think that's the gist
if flip is pissed at him, tell him in private, use it to teach him. but in public, you gotta support the guy who is single-handedly keeping your diminishing reputation afloat.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Mar 8, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agree 100%
If you are Blatche, and you feel KG went over the line with you, how do you feel about your coach ripping you in public about how you stood up for yourself? Rip your guy in private, praise or defend him in public.
I would've voted no...
in any other circumstance, however, I just feel like this is all about Flip’s love for KG. In reality, Flip owes a lot to KG, he helped him establish himself as a great coach, but I don’t think he should call out his “next protege” like that. I agree that Blatche is a guy who needs his ego stroked and Flip needed to do that in this situation. Blatche needs his coach to back him up here. I think it would’ve meant a lot to Blatche if Flip said “I loved how Dray stood his own and wouldn’t back down from a guy like KG”.
Saunders' routine of using the media
to rag on his players has gotten old fast. He should be teaching in the locker room, sidelines, practice, etc….anywhere but in the newspapers. Especially with a young squad like he has. If he wants the team to trust him and his system he better start reciprocating.
This man’s coaching is really going down the tubes fast. No way Miller should have 41 minutes or Foye 35 at this stage of the season. Thornton getting 42 while he’s been worn out and hurt makes no sense while you have bench players sitting around.
The only thing Flip seems worried about right now is his career winning percentage and making sure any blame is directed away from himself to the players. To try and squeeze wins out of this team right now at the expense of playing your bench is extremely short-sighted.
Time for Flip to look in the mirror instead of throwing his players under the bus.
by Mike Uhrich on Mar 8, 2010 7:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think
Flip should’ve used his status as KG’s old coach and Blatche’s new coach to mediate the dispute and tell KG to back off lol
but jokes aside, it comes down to a matter of point of view. From Andray’s point of view, responding to Garnett’s trash talk and taunting is standing up for his manhood. However, I could also see from the coach’s point of view that a mature player should be above all of that trashtalk BS and blatche should be the bigger man and take the moral high ground and not let it affect his game and mental state. What’s out of line was Flip saying KG getting in Blatche’s head cost them the game, which was not totally not true. Blatche had a good game, the problem was mainly Randy making bad decisions and Mike Miller getting owned on defense and not being assertive on offense. thoser were the things that cost us the game. Also some really questionable officiating.
I just don't know...
If what Blatche is saying is true, that he just told Garnett to get out of his face, then, yeah, it’s an overreaction by Saunders to call him out in the media. But we all know that when someone gets angry and it backfires in his face, he’s going to alter the story and maybe omit details to make himself seem more favorable.
On the other hand, I can’t help but wonder why Flip won’t defend his current players against his most famous former player. Seems like he’s leaving Blatche hanging and his admiration for Garnett is helping out.
So like I said, I don’t know who I side with here. I think it would have been best for Saunders to not comment on that, though.
So maybe it's not a popular view
But one of things I’ve always loved about KG is this part of his game. Bird used to do his absolute best to get in the other guy’s head. MJ was notorious for trying to embarass guys. Rodman (enough said). Reggie Miller openly invited the booing in MSG. Right or wrong, I love that stuff. I have no problem with what Blatche did (even though, yeah, he should have been smart enough to realize the situation and either walk away or just laugh it off) but I also have no problem with what KG did. If the refs are going to let him get away with it, then it’s just part of the game. Just like Jordan’s push on Bryon Russell. The only one wrong in the whole thing, really, is Flip. That was some bullshit.
i love KG's game, skill and passion
hate that he’s a front-runner and trash talker. i know a lot of people say trash talking and in general acting like a dick is part of the game, but grown men acting like immature kids on a playground never really appealed to me. real professionals keep it classy without being assholes.
precisely
i want to watch an NBA where skill, effort and execution is the winning formula….
Not where an aging Hall of Famer can be totally OUTPLAYED on the court by a younger player – but browbeat and taunt that younger player in the last few minutes of a game to “pump” himself and his team up.
Sorry, but I’ve never seen Kobe get in the face of an opponent….Talking trash? sure…. but physically, right in their face? Yelling, screaming? Nope….. Jordan?…. never … Bird? Nope….
Talk about “thug”…. That’s Dennis Rodman stuff right there….
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I'd rather he show too much passion than not enough
Fact is, Dray was stepping up and taking pride in his team and his play against a guy who was basically his idol growing up. I think that this reflected really well on him that he’d stand up for himself. It’s not like he’s Deshawn jawing with Lebron, too – this is our best player trying to make things happen in the clutch. More power to him.
As a side note, I loved the whole team’s pride last night. Thorton played hard against Pierce, Javale did his best Birdman impression, Miller was all over the place like a redneck Gerald Wallace, and Randy Foye was a less effective Ben Gordon. It’s a shame we lost, but it was a damned good loss.
Did you know that....
Blatche was #5 on the NBA Play of the Night with a block on Garnett. Now that’s priceless! Also, McGee was #3 on a block. I like seeing the hustle.
Long-Time Wizard Fan
To paraphrase "The Godfather"...
…“Flip, your the coach, and we respect you. But don’t ever take sides with anyone against the team again. Ever.”
Say what you want to say to Blatche in private. But keep up your front to the press.
It's more complicated than that
A coach can be right in principle, wrong in execution. Of course, Blatche should have kept his composure. If Flip had said that, and just that, no problem. But the coach accomplishes NOTHING by attacking, or even berating his player to the press. You’ll never catch Doc Rivers doing that, ever… even if he’s mad at somebody. Because it’s pointless. It instills resentment and anger, which can last FOREVER… and can certainly poison a team.
Bottom line: it’s more complicated than a simple up or down vote. The best answer to the poll is actually: All Of The Above.
right. maybe the better answer is that instead of "defending" his player
flip at the very least shouldn’t have criticized his player, or, having criticized blatche, he could also have said something critical of KG instead of heaping praise on him.
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by newmaniumreveler on Mar 9, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I like seeing the young guy get his back up
Especially against Garnett. Flip should be happy someone’s showing some fire after this year-long debacle.
Flip probably wants an assistant job with Doc after he gets canned
no other excuse. Dray day!!!!!!

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