Potential 6-10 picks in the 2010 draft
by dt3 on Mar 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST
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A year that started out so promising... Thought that this year was finally OUR year. The year where we shock the world and prove to the doubters that we can do what we have failed at doing sooo many times before... Make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, you say?? No, win the Lottery.
Gil was suspended for the forseeable future, Caron was playing poorly, and Jamison was giving up just as much as he was scoring... I was trying to decide between the red, white, and blue Wall throwback and the regular home white. As soon as I decide the throwback was the way to go, what does this team do?? Trade their veteran talent for a couple hungry yougsters and before you know it the team is on a winning streak. Our "chances" (in parethesis because we all know the curse of les bullez is much stronger than any ping pong ball machine) of winning the wall sweepstakes goes from 15-20% to 2%. cei la vie.
I was so caught up looking at the top of the draft, scouting out the Walls and the Turners I was caught completely off guard when I realized we were gonna be alot closer to the 10th pick than the 1st. Ive started to do some research but its been alot more reading and google searching than actual watching. Who do you guys see available between 6-10 that could be a target for the Wizards?? We all know how poor this class is at PG past Wall (though I would love to see them pick up Greivis later on), (as much as I hate to admit it) it looks like Gil is gonna be back next year at SG, and I love the potential of Blatche/McGee at the 4+5. Its taken so long to get them quality minutes the last thing I want to do is add in another young bigman they need to start sharing minutes with.
That leaves us with SF being my primary target. Al Farouq Aminu is a player I have known about for a while now and Devin Ebanks a player I am just now trying to find out more about. I have always loved the idea of a long, super athletic 3 on the team. Getting just a glimpse of what josh howard could do makes me want one that much more. What do you guys think of two?? Who else are you targeting?? Am I wrong in thinking that SF is going to be our #1 (if not only) target??
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they could also get a backup PF/C
McGee is not a surefire starter. If Cousins falls id love to see us snatch him up. He’d be a perfect compliment.NBA draft .net is big on this guy named Hassan Whiteside, a 7-0 Freshman center from Marshall. Personally, i would love to see us grab Monroe and stay instate for the most part with our picks(Monroe, Vasquez, foriegn prospect).
Also, i wanted to point out that some draft websites actually have moved Greivis into the end of the 1st round
McGee is not a surefire starter.
That is one of the biggest problem Ive had with the coaching staff the last 2 years. There is nothing we could have done to mature Javale into a full time starting 5 this quickly but to have as many questions as we do about him (2 years in) is inexcusable. This is a team that had serious playoff aspirations coming into this year, you would think they would want to figure out what they had with him while closing out the disaster that was 08/09… 6 minutes or under (0,3,5,6) in 4 of the final 7 games during the last month of the season.
As intriguing as Whiteside may be I would have to see ALOT more from him (especially offensively) before I thought he was worth taking minutes away from J’avatar.
Cousins… Started liking him alot after watching the Miss St game but with as good as Blatche has been playing recently I think they would be crazy to pick any PF no matter how far he drops.
Also, i wanted to point out that some draft websites actually have moved Greivis into the end of the 1st round
Ive noticed that… Ive slowly watched GV rise on NBADraft.net from Mr Irrelevant to the 29th pick overall. Dont think he will ever turn into anything great but could compliment Gil nicely.
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by dt3 on Mar 3, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
fit
Generalissimo Greivis is a good fit to take with Cleveland’s pick, although going that low may force him overseas for a bit. I think his competitive nature will bring him to the NBA.
You Think
That being selected in the low 1st round will send Vasquez overseas? What is he hoping for, a lottery selection?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
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He won’t want to play for the slotted money. Thats why guys like Tiago Splitter have played overseas for market value instead of with the Spurs for first round money. I think 3 years is the limit, then they can negotiate outside of the system.
I think you're wrong
I think they’ll develop Thornton to be their SF….
And Gil is a PG – no matter how much everyone wants to change him into a SG…..
So, seeing as how
1. The Wizards have developing young talent at SF (Thornton), PF (Blatche) and Center (McGee)
2. They already have their starting PG (Arenas)
3. There aren’t any good PG’s to pick up as a backup until the 2nd round
I say they need to look at a big SG as their next piece. Someone that can defend. Unfortunately, there aren’t any SG’s available in the top of the draft… and you don’t want to “pass” on a good player….
SO draft Best player available…. If that’s Cole Aldrich (6’11" Kansas Center), so be it… If Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins drop, you gotta snap them up.
As for a SG, perhaps a guy like Elliot Williams will be available at pick #30… Williams (6’4") is a very good perimeter defender with a long wingspan. He’s got a nice mid-range shot, especially in catch-and-shoot situations. At the draft, he’ll only be 21…. and he’s got lots of upside…. a good risk for a low First round pick.
And that second round pick? Perfect for taking a chance on Greivis Vasquez. Or perhaps a more conservative pick like Terrico White; a 6’5" SG with a nice stroke and a terrific defender.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Unfortunately, there aren’t any SG’s available in the top of the draft
Evan Turner?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I assume he was talking in the 6-10 range… you have to think turner is going to be gone 4-5 picks before we get on the clock.
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by dt3 on Mar 3, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I would think so as well
What about this Anderson guy from Oklahoma State? I just saw his stats on Draft Express and they’re really impressive.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'd be fine with Anderson
but not at pick 6-10….. Anderson is more a mid-late First round pick (16-25)…
Of course, trading down in the draft is an option – but taking him with a 6-10 pick would be a waste…. better to pick BPA.
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not sold on Gil
injury prone, the organization wanted to distance itself from him during this incident. If they have the opportunity, they will trade him IMO.
and if I have the opportunity to bang carmen electra, i will bang her
doesnt look good on either front
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by dt3 on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
....there are some teams that will have cap space if they strike out on lebron
gil can be a big name guy to bring in
You Don't Need Cap Space
To trade for Arenas. You just need some players of equal total salary. Arenas is tradable, I think, but not for equal value. I would rather keep Gil than dump him for nothing more than long-term salary relief.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Carmen? Sorry, wide receiver is not an NBA position.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
i agree with tw10 on this one. the wizzards are no where near competing for a championship so there is no reason to have a max earner on the team. it is be better to bite the bullet and pay someone to take him in exchange for some prospects or draft picks. maintain the cap flexibility to sign a max contract free agent once our prospects are better identified and developed. i think it is better than 50/50 that happens, especially if the wizzards can finish relatively well and keep people coming to games this season.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 6, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
pay someone to take him in exchange for prospects/draft picks??
How exactly do you think the CBA/trading rules in this league works?? This isnt baseball where you can say we’ll pay X% of the players contract if you take him off our hands. Any team that is far enough below the salary cap to take on Gil’s contract w/o sending equal numbers back is going to have a similar outlook as we do (that the money would be better spent on the FA market). If we are lucky enough to find someone foolish enough to pick up the rest of that contract we can expect little value in return and probably have to take back an equal amount (if not more) of garbage contracts.
Dont get me wrong… I have been one of the more vocal proponents to voiding Gilbert’s contract… a large part of that is because I know that is the teams only way of getting rid of him. Seeing the new young core that the wizards will have going into next year (blatche, mcgee, thornton, draft pick) I think it is INSANE… INSAAAAANE… to reintroduce this team poison into the locker room.
As much as I want to get rid of Gilbert…. As much as I wish trading him was an option… It is not. Our options are void Gilbert or to pretend to act surprised when his juvenille antics once again melt down a locker room.
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by dt3 on Mar 7, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is INSANE… INSAAAAANE… to reintroduce this team poison into the locker room.
When did Gilbert become Latrell Sprewell. The season was all ready on the rocks when Gil did what he did. No doubt Gil needs to grow up but a team poison….really?
a shoe...
he pooped in it.
But seriously… I think if this team is ever going to succeed they need to get a new team mentality in place and part of that team mentality has to be an increased defensive philosophy.
the team already has a handful of young, impressionable/immature players (Young, Blatche, McGee) that 1) have the potential to be good/great 2) have alot of growing up to do if they ever want to reach their potential. How are these players going to react when its obvious that the highest paid player (by 400%), longest nba tenured (by 4 years) player isnt giving it his all on the defensive end.
We’ve seen 3 different coaches fail in improving the defense of this squad, and that was with AJ + CB being veteran voices in the locker room. If only there was a vet we could go out and sign that could nearly be a player/coach holding down the locker room and trying to teach some of these young kids the way of the league… hey I wonder if… wait, he’s in the last year of his contract… new fanpost on its way.
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And Gil is a PG – no matter how much everyone wants to change him into a SG…..
I’ll compromise with you… Gilbert is a shooting guard in a point guards body.
Whatever you call him I still think the team needs to find another player that can handle the ball and initiate offense for the rest of the team. Otherwise I think we fall into the same trap that the EJ wizards fell into… living/dying on Gilbert’s jump shot then running nothing but iso’s for other players (who by this point have lost all feel for the game) when he inevitably goes cold.
My dream scenario is finding a point forward type (years ago I thought that player could be mike miller) or a taller PG (years ago I thought that player could be shaun livingston) to pair up with Gil (who I reluctantly think we are stuck with).
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by dt3 on Mar 3, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
name a couple players that play the that point forward. its easy to name prototype players but hard to find em
Well, "point forward" is tough
Because you’re right, very few non-point guards dribble the ball up the floor.
But off the top of my head, the following players are playmakers from the wing position:
-Joe Johnson
-Paul Pierce
-Stephen Jackson
-LeBron
-Either Delonte West or Mo Williams when they play together
-Caron Butler
-Jason Terry
-Tayshaun Prince
-Monta Ellis
-Kobe Bryant
-Shannon Brown
-Dwyane Wade
-John Salmons
-Tracy McGrady (in his diminished state)
-Kevin Durant
-James Harden
-Vince Carter
-Andre Iguodala
-Brandon Roy
-Tyreke Evans
-Manu Ginobili
-Hedo Turkoglu
I’m not sure you’re talking about guys like that though. If you’re talking merely about tall point guards – yeah, that’s tough. But if you’re just talking about two combo guards, I think you can find a lot of guys like that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
like tw10 said… easy to name a protypical player, hard to find your own… If I had to name a player to base it off of though I would easily say a scottie pippen/toni kukoc type.
You did a good job of listing players who could be considered playmakers from the wing but I think some of them are more about making plays for themselves (Butler, VC) and drags us back into this series of ISOs type offense. As long as Gilbert is our “point guard” I think we need to have a 2 or 3 who’s #1 concern is getting others involved. I still think (and hope) Mike Miller can be that guy, I agree at times he can be too passive but I think that will take care of itself when he is passing up shots to Arenas/ over boykins/nick young
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by dt3 on Mar 4, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
i meant
someone that can gaurd two’s and also be a playmaker. Because theres no way Gillie can gaurd shooting gaurds in this league.
Calling Al Thorton devolping talent
may be a bit of a stretch. Usually most pros by his age have there game set in stone. If we haven’t seen it yet from thorton I really doubt we ever will.
reg al thornton- maybe. flip and his crew are coaches i believe can help players improve. i am not so sure he had that in LA. So just being 26 and not having much coaching does not suggest to me that he has reached his potential. Of course, if he has been receiving good coaching, he probably is peaking. I think he can improve in ways to help this team be better, though.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 6, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Evan Turner!!!!!!! THE FRANCHISE SAVIOR
by eltacoman on Mar 3, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you are looking for an athletic small forward, maybe paul george from Fresno state will drop and we can snag him with our pick from the cavs. Paul is athletic, he can shoot, and is extremly smooth.
by soccersammy0808 on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 PM EST reply actions
always draft the best player available
if al-farouq is the best plater available, god help us.
by John Park Williams on Mar 4, 2010 1:25 AM EST reply actions
Trade the pick to Portland
for Nicolas Batum.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 4, 2010 2:09 AM EST reply actions
I would recommend
Jan Vesely, tall and athletic forward. Been great for Partizan this year.
Cousins is my guy
unless we can trade down with one of the 2-pick teams, and get another 1st rounder. Then I’d settle for Monroe.
Wiz should definitely target PGs and Cs in this draft
Livingston showed a flash or two of his vision, handles, and floor awareness last night, so if he sticks, he could be a nice backup PG, but other than that we have Gil (presumably) Foye (doesn’t have PG instincts) and the boyk (please for the love of God pass the ball…). So I’d say go for a big at their presumed mid-lottery draft position, and take a flyer on Vasquez or Sherron Collins with either the late first or early 2nd round pick.
The reason I’m going for a big first is that 1) this draft isn’t deep on PGs beyond Wall, and 2) whatever big they end up with (assuming its not Cousins) is gonna take time to develop, and presumably wouldn’t push Blatche/McGee for minutes until at least his third season. And I’d be against drafting a PF since we should have Singleton backing up Blatche next year. In fact I think a backup frontcourt of Aldrich and Singleton would be very nice.
The reason I’m against drafting a wing player is that the wiz have so many, there will be some available via other means (FA/trade) this summer, and its just one of those positions where drafting a player is so hit or miss.
I’d go for Cole Aldrich, I think he’d be a great fit behind Blatche and McGee. Hassan Whiteside, Solomon Alabi, and Larry Sanders would give us more of the same (tall skinny lanky athletic etc. – although I like Alabi’s high motor) and what we really need is a big body behind McGee for depth and defense.
Agree With You on Cole Aldrich
He’s the guy we should target if we lose out on Wall, Cousins, Turner, and Favors, IMO.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I liked Cole a lot last year
This year, though, all his advanced numbers are down. He’s not rebounding as well and is being taken out of games a bit too easily.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I've always liked his game though
It seems to me teams are game planning around him a lot more this year than last year.
Dude has Big Country
spelled all over his forhead. He is so slllloooowwwww. The pros will eat him alive. He is a man amongst boys in college and he looks impressive but big men of his mold usually dont succeed due to how unathletic they are.
id rather have monroe
the kid is a smooth playmaker. kind of like odom but a little stockier and plays inside the 3pt line
Roster
When you gut a team like we just did there aren’t going to be any players that are guaranteed to be part of the next core. So picking players based on who is under contract for 10-11 doesn’t seem like a good plan to me. Pick the best player you can. If you project a SF to be that good Al Thornton should not keep you from grabbing him. Regardless of the spark Blatche has shown even he does not keep you from taking a PF.
This is not the time to get caught looking at a specific position because they are all up for grabs over the next year and a half.
As far as specific kids, Patterson impresses me but Aldrich would come first. I love that he has an all around game. I also think Xavier Henry will go in the 6-10 range when the dust settles. Also think the Avery kid from UT will end up near the lottery.
I mostly agree, except
The Wiz made it very clear that Blatche and McGee are in the long term plans. For everyone else, I mostly agree. Well maybe Gil is in the long term plans but there’s so much up in the air regarding his situation that its all but impossible to lock him in.
But again, IMO the smart money keeps some of the better wing players around, as opposed to drafting and developing one. To me, wing players are the most iffy draft picks (next most iffy are skinny, athletic 6’9" PFs, of which there are a bunch in this draft).
Now if you assume that Blatche and McGee are gonna stick around for a while, then the biggest needs are a big body (Cousins or Aldrich) to play behind them and a PG to get them the rock.
I agree you can’t count on the current roster, but you also can’t discount it either…
Best player available (but not a PF)
The Wizards’ only sure thing is a PF, so they really should take the non-PF they think has the best chance of becoming an all star. It gets pretty iffy after the first 4, but Monroe might be the best guy available. I’m with a few other people here wondering if we should trade down and take Anderson. He seems like as good a prospect as the guys slated for 6-10. Otherwise, I’d take Aminu. He’s extremely long and agile, plays good defense, rebounds well, and has tremendous upside. That’s the kind of guy you don’t mind giving minutes while he develops.
I’d like to see them use one of the later picks on a big strong guy to give us some muscle to sub in for Javale “Pogo Stick” McGee. Aaric Murray (if he declares) is exactly the kind of risk/reward guy that’s good for those picks. Maybe use the other one on Vasquez if he’s available.
I think you can
I know we aren’t picking 6-10 for depth but a team is more than 5 guys. With this roster nothing is given. McGee doesn’t stop me from picking anyone, neither does Blatche if you are projecting the pick to be that good. I tend to agree on wing players to an extent. Good ones aren’t hard to find but great ones are. So if you can take a great one you do it. Also have to weigh the talent available. Don’t just pick a PG because we could use one, thats how you end up with Acie Law.
The Lottery really screwed us last year
but there is no reason to think that it wont hook us up this year. I really feel like all the draft prospects should be on the table. Everyone loves finding a steal in the lower end of the draft but a sure thing is so much easier. FWIW I would really like to see Cousins in a Wizards jersey next year.
You forget one little thing...
Agent 007 is still facing jail time. I wouldn’t go pencilling him into the starting lineup any time soon. And I have a hard time seeing the new owner-to-be wanting that mess hanging over his head. They’ll get rid of him somehow.
Don't know how many of you will agree with me...
but one person I wouldn’t mind being added to the roster with one of our late 1st round picks (provided we do not sell them) is to draft Scottie Reynolds, out of Villanova. Been following him since HS and he definitely has the talent to score at will. Only knock on him are his point guard skills, which very few people have this gift out of college. Definitely think he would have the capacity to learn.
by TheRealBigMike on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Beg to differ
Point guard skills are more so something you’re born with, not something you pick up along the way. Case in point (no pun intended) is Randy Foye. He’s been ‘learning on the job’ now for a few years, and he’s really not any better at it.
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