The Alonzo Gee saga is where bad process meets questionable results
The reason that Alonzo Gee somehow slipping away and signing back with the Spurs is bad really doesn't have a lot to do with Alonzo Gee.
Well, let me rephrase that: it sort of has to do with Alonzo Gee. It has to do with Gee in the sense that Gee has played extremely well in his 11-game stint in DC. His numbers in limited minutes are very good -- 16 points and 6.3 rebounds per 36 minutes, with a 16.7 PER and a 57.2% true shooting percentage. He's proven he can handle starter minutes, and while he's not a perfect player by any means, he plays hard and carries himself like a humble player looking to get better. His defensive fundamentals may need work, but he takes pride in it and doesn't back down from top wing threats. He's doing a great job on the offensive glass and has flashed a much better jump shot than anticipated. Throw in the fact that he's just 22, won't cost much and has a lot of upside, and he's a young player worth keeping around.
But really, this is an example of a larger problem within the front office and a sign that the entire culture there really needs to change.
The truth is, there are a lot of Alonzo Gees out there. Maybe they aren't as productive and as young as Gee himself, but young wings are everywhere. Hell, Cartier Martin could be another Alonzo Gee, who knows. It's entirely possible that Gee fades into obscurity and doesn't ever become an NBA-quality player.
But that's not going to vindicate the Wizards' front office, because the way this all came about was because of a lack of preparation. Simply put, the Wizards fell asleep at the wheel. The plan all along was to sign Gee for the rest of the season once his second 10-day contract ran out. Flip Saunders said it himself after the Bobcats' game. All they needed was to make it official right away and not mess around. Why wouldn't they? Gee had done everything they possibly could have expected and then some.
Instead, the Wizards' wavered. Sunday came and there was no announcement, no proclamation that they were going to reward a young player for doing everything a young player is supposed to do. It wouldn't have taken much of a reward either - all that was necessary was to tell him that they think he's acquitted himself well and they'd do what they could to try to keep him this summer. No guarantees, just a tacit admission that Gee deserves his shot for how hard he's worked.
But that admission never came, and the shrewd Spurs came swooping in with the added carrot of ... a non-guaranteed contract for next year. In other words, Gee isn't signing away from the Wizards because the Spurs promised him his place in the NBA. They didn't. From what I understand, based on what I've heard, it's likely Gee would have stayed with the Wizards if they demonstrated a similar level of commitment to him. It was the Spurs who offered first, not vice versa. As Scott Schroeder writes:
Gee's second 10-day contract with the Washington Wizards expired Sunday, meaning the team had the option of either signing Gee for the remainder of the season or letting him become a free agent. They've apparently chosen option B, even though he started in their last two games.
Earlier in the day, Schroeder wrote that the Wizards' could make a last-ditch effort, but if not, Gee was going to the Spurs (he's since edited the post). Gee went to the Spurs, so we can assume the Wizards either didn't make a last-ditch effort or made an unsatisfactory one. My educated guess is that it's the former.
Again, it bears asking: why weren't the Wizards on top of this? Why were they asleep at the wheel on Sunday, when they needed to make a decision their own coach advocated? What's the point of keeping a spot for a rotating D-League player if you aren't going to keep the one player that plays well enough to deserve that spot? This, my friends, is bad process.
The Wizards are now offering up some flimsy explanation about how they were worried Gee would cut into their precious cap room this summer. (I say "the Wizards" because Flip is clearly speaking for them. This is the same guy that wanted Gee, remember?). We've already had a number of people on this very site see right through that explanation. Gee got signed on a non-guaranteed deal by a Spurs team that's already over the luxury tax. Even if he signed a guaranteed contract, it wasn't going to be for much more than the league minimum of about $457,000 for next year. The Wizards are currently projected to have around $23-25 million in cap space next year, assuming they don't pick up Josh Howard's option and Randy Foye's qualifying offer. (Editor's Note: I had forgotten to include salaries of our first-round picks, which brings our cap space down. Thanks to Joe at HoopData for the clarification). At most, Gee takes up $1 million of that cap room. It barely makes a difference. Considering the Wizards have to, you know, fill out a roster anyway (only six players are under contract, and the minimum number of players you can hold is 13), it's hard to really find anyone better to do that than a young, productive, cheap player like Gee.
Perhaps the Wizards would have gone into the luxury tax this season if they kept Gee and are just trying to save face. But wasn't that what negotiating a tough deal for Zydrunas Ilgauskas supposed to be able to solve? And hell, if for some reason the tax this year is an issue, then the Wizards are erring by not being transparent with their fans about that.
And we haven't covered perhaps the biggest failure here - the message this sends to the young players and to the rest of the team. For four years, the Wizards' brass has been reluctant to praise their young players for fear of them acting like knuckleheads and stop working hard. Since Andray Blatche, Nick Young and JaVale McGee were drafted, we've heard far more attention given to their shortcomings (i.e. Blatche doesn't work hard, Young doesn't play defense, McGee doesn't have any on-court awareness) than their strengths. There have been many questions about their professionalism, many coming from Wizards brass. In light of that, what kind of message does it send to them to let the one young player who did everything he was supposed to do get away? Gee worked his butt off and overachieved (something our young players haven't always done), and his reward was a pink slip. How can you preach working hard on one hand and then fail to reward the guy who did work hard on the other?
It's not just those three either - hell, what about the entire team? Every player on the team right now is auditioning for a spot in the team's future. The only reason these guys would play hard now is to show themselves that they belong. What does it do to all of them to see a guy like Gee - who has earned the trust of the coaches - get away like this? It's decisions like this that run the risk of creating a losing culture.
So really, this isn't about Gee. It's about a larger problem. It's why I'm sick of this front office. They may have done some good things in the past, and they may do some good things in the future elsewhere, but their time has run out here. It's hard for me to trust their ability to rebuild this team when they fall asleep at the wheel when it comes to seemingly minor details like making sure they sign Alonzo Gee for the rest of the season.
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I agree
I don’t really think Grunfeld has thought much about the remaining roster. I think the majority of us were in favor of a complete demolition of the current team. Saying that we knew the Wizards were gonna take a while to build a foundation for the franchise, but the collecting and developing of young players is the priority. We look at the Blazers and Thunder as the best models for this. The Wiz can’t be losing 22 year olds this early in the process.
Nice post
Your point about the team not praising the younger players is spot on. I don’t know whether this was an EJ trait that rubbed off on EG, or just endemic to the team, but it’s kind of weird.
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Yeah, no kidding
It’s not like a lot of teams need to go out of their way to praise their youngsters, but the Wizards almost seem to do the exact opposite. What’s wrong with saying a few nice things about the young guys every now and then?
Mike , I think we have our answer about the Luxury Tax...
Perhaps the Wizards would have gone into the luxury tax this season if they kept Gee and are just trying to save face.
Cartier Martin actually has a year of NBA service, so in reality will cost MORE than Gee. So if they’re signing Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract, we must assume that they’re not close to the Luxury Tax (otherwise, they wouldn’t sign Martin and go over the tax)
So the whole “explanation” for the Gee thing is now that they didn’t want to tie up the Cap room….
Funny, but since Gee would only cost $457K – - – and the Wizards will be assessed a cap hold of $457K for the empty roster spot that Gee could have held this summer (they have to have 12 players) – that explanation holds ZERO credence.
Let’s face it… The Wizards got played by the Spurs. They thought they could wait around, hemming and hawing about the decision….. Meanwhile the Spurs swooped in and locked up Gee through next year.
The Wizards Front Office is a day late and a dollar short on everything.
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I mean,
Does anyone in the Wizard’s Front Office even know what the Salary Rules are?
You cannot say to the fans, especially well informed fans, that you don’t want to “risk using any of their salary cap room this summer in order to retain Gee.” – and expect the fans to buy it…. when they know, just as ERNIE SHOULD KNOW that there will be a roster charge for his empty roster slot….
Dear Ernie,
There is a web site I’d like you to visit. It can explain some of the confusing things about the Salary Cap, Roster limitations, Contract term limits, etc…. Apparently you didn’t know that this offseason, you will be charged a “roster charge” unless you have 12 players under contract.. The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary ($457,588) for each player below 12 and counts on your Salary Cap for the Summer. Had you known that, perhaps you would have retained the services of a talented young player that instead got scooped up by the San Antonio Spurs.
Go here for more information:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q14
There’s a wealth of information for the newly initiated NBA General Manager, as well as the old grizzled veteran, who can’t seem to remember all those dizzying rules and clauses …….
So next time you are tempted to tell your fans something stupid – like we’re “saving Cap room” – check there first – to make sure your fans won’t know any better.
Looking out for your best interests,
An informed Wizards fan
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I don't think it's this
as much as, EG is decent at setting up a short- (and, arguably, long-) term plan for a team, but once he has to deviate from that plan in any way he has no idea what to do and ends up flailing around like the robot from Lost in Space. As Prada said, the “uh…uh…cap space!” explanation is likely a post-facto one, and not to be taken seriously.
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GA and JC will count in the tax calculation
They won’t need to fill those two spots for tax purposes. This point is moot.
Never mind
I thought you were talking about tax. My bad.
That said, they WOULD save the difference between a rookie salary and the second year minimum, which is around $400k.
Actually
It’s less than $300k, and I believe he’s still under a “rookie” salary until he plays in a regular season game in 2010-11.
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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
See? It can always get worse
This is why I keep banging on the same drum. It’s time to sweep clean.
While I understand my mancrush on Gee could potentially cloud my judgement
I still feel like this is just another indication of a front office with it’s head up it’s collective ass. I hated the Arenas contract. I hated the Jamison contract. But at least those could be laid at the feet of Abe Pollin. That’s what I told myself anyway. This though? Letting a kid walk who is exactly what you should be looking for, as far as the current team and the future go, is just freakin ridiculous. 500 grand is an issue? Really? Honestly, I hope that they tried and he said no because he knew he had a gig with the Spurs. That’s only way I can swallow this.
by imperialme on Mar 29, 2010 8:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Grunfeld must go.
I’ve been a Grunfeld supporter since he arrived, but the front office is as much to blame for the Wizards’ failures this season as anybody else. Grunfeld’s response to the Arenas situation was horrible. Now he’s got a coach who he’s all but openly fighting with (see: Andray Blatche). The Wizards have a new owner coming in, and it’s time for a clean sweep. Lose Grunfeld, and lose Saunders while you’re at it. I have more faith in the players than anyone else in the organization at this point.
Grunfeld must go!
Grunfeld must go! Grunfeld must go!
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 30, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree With You on Grunfeld, Disagree With You on Saunders
But we’ll see which direction Ted goes in.
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"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
One of the more baffling personnel moves--non-moves?--of the season, and possibly the last several
Other than what amounts to chump change in NBA terms, what did the Wizards have to lose in guaranteeing Gee’s spot for the rest of the season, and locking up his summer rights as well? I just don’t get it.
Most baffling: Warriors waiving Speedy Claxton just a week or so before the trading deadline, and thus losing his sizeable expiring contract
Honestly, I think you could argue this is worse
Because it’s not like Golden State was really in a position where it’d be advantageous to take on long-term salary anyway.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Prada hit the nail on the head
Gee was never going to be an all-star. He could have been an important role player on a playoff team, but that was his ceiling. This move shows the front office has no semblance of a long-term plan and makes moves that defy logic. This is similar to not drafting Dejuan Blair with our 2nd round pick and then signing Oberto for 2 times his salary. I am sick of Ernie (and the Pollins if they are truly influencing these moves). Here’s to Leonsis cleaning house when he officially buys the team.
Actually, I fail to see why this was a bad move at all!
Considering the first order of business is to tank, tank, tank. The reason EG had to do this is that Gee was playing TOO well. He might actually have helped us win a game! Which we absolutely do NOT need right now. Plus, although Gee was playing well, he was never going to be awesome or anything…wings like him in the NBA are a dime a dozen. Really.
EG is either a liar or incompetent. either way, he has to go now. i supported him for a long time, but this breaks my back
by les boulez bomber on Mar 29, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How Can Anybody Say This?
Plus, although Gee was playing well, he was never going to be awesome or anything…wings like him in the NBA are a dime a dozen. Really.
The kid is only 22, and already has put up a 16.3 PER and a 57.2% TS% in this league. He also was a serviceable defender. We honestly can’t say what his ceiling was, but already he was proving to be an above-average player. Compare him to JaVale McGee, who is also 22 but only has a 14.3 PER and a 53% TS% and can’t guard a 3 three year old from a cookie jar. Can the Spurs please take him too? Oh, I forgot, they only want good players. Oh well.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"...don't ever think it can't get any worse, because it can. There's no question, it can." -- Flip Saunders unintentionally coining the new Washington Wizards motto
McGee will be an all-star and game-changer...
If he continues to develop. Please stop with the “He has no on-court awareness. He gets pushed around…” stuff. Big men often take longer to develop, and his potential is limitless. If he’s a worker, I think he’ll get there.
Absolutely
But that can be said for every young player, can’t it? In the meantime, we’ve seen more than a few flashes of what the kid can do. Would you want to trade him and see him become a beast for someone else?
Agree with this post whole heartedly
I really hope Mr Leonis cleans house and EG gets handed his walking papers. Alonzo Gee showed that he is a player who deserves to be playing in this league. What more could you be looking for out a D-League player? We should be using the D league to unearth hidden gems who could be players for this team, Alonzo Gee is exactly that type of player and we let him get away, just to replace him with another D-Leaguer. This just shows me that none of these D-Leaguers coming in matter, doesn’t matter how they play, doesn’t matter how much potential they have, EG just wants a cheap body out there, doesn’t matter if he’s good bad or in between, all these D-Leaguers are placeholders, and thats a shame .
I'm going to take the contrary view
In the big picture, I think Gee was worth keeping around at a minimum contract and I’m very disappointed that we did not keep him under the current circumstances (worth keeping as a 12th man on next year’s roster).
But there are a few leaps of faith here:
1) Gee had lots of upside, but he seemed like he was going to need a lot more development before he was ready for prime time. He was fine for a team that was on a 15 game losing steak, but not for a winning team. He was only 22. As Prada noted, promising 22 year old wings are everywhere.
2) There is an assumption that the Wizards were caught sleeping…and I’m not sure that’s the case. If Gee has a remotely competent agent, the agent would do everything in his power to get the Wizards to match the deal since Gee will ride the pine in San Antonio through the duration of the contract. Perhaps the Wizards simply declined to offer a partial guarantee and he left for a better contract. Not saying that was the right or wrong move, but perhaps things are being blown out of proportion.
by JonathanJoseph on Mar 29, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
Re #2
I can’t say I know for sure, but I’ve talked to some people close-ish to the story and I’m about 95 percent sure the Wizards didn’t offer anything.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
His agent is quite competent
Or at least represents higher profile clients in the NBA than Gee – Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks being his biggest. The thing is, Gee could have been wrapped up before his second 10-day ended, as far as I can tell, but that didn’t happen. Then, when given the option (if that was the case), he was asked to choose between a Wizards team that had apparently not shown much love to him or the Spurs, an organization that’s been interested in him since Summer League and the team that developed him to the point that he received a call-up.
I don’t think it was simply playing time.
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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 29, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Wizards won’t have anywhere near 23-25million in cap space, just so you know.
With a projected 53million cap, the Wizards would have a maximum of 18.5million in space, assuming they rescind everyone who isn’t on a guaranteed contract. If Quinton Ross opts out of his deal, that’d add another 800k or so.
http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/was.aspx
All of the information is there, including the various cap holds the Wizards have to account for in addition to their guaranteed contracts (draft picks and roster holds).
Regardless, signing Gee to a minimum contract for next season would’ve taken away approximately 189,000 in cap space from the Wizards, as his $762k contract would’ve replaced the $474k minimum contract hold the Wizards would’ve had anyway (they have a few).
In short, this move really didn’t preserve any cap space at all, and anyone who suggests otherwise likely has a specious understanding of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the salary cap rules.
Err sorry, meant to say 289,000 savings. Typo.
by JoeTreutlein on Mar 29, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sham has the Wizards at $28 million
Without Howard and Foye, and as I wrote in the article, I’m assuming they decline Howard’s option and don’t offer Foye a qualifying offer.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Gotta factor in the 450K cap holds too Mike.
But the Wiz probably only have 4 or 5 of them come July assuming, as you say, Foye & Howard aren’t around. Also Mike Miller would have to be renounced at that point.
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And looking at the hoppdata link
I suppose that’s right. The 2nd round pick does have a cap hold.
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The second round pick doesn’t have a cap hold. I just slotted the second round pick in where the roster spot cap hold would go, for presentation’s sake. If the Wiz don’t sign their second round pick for $473,604 (minimum rookie salary), they’d have a cap hold valued at the same amount until they sign their 13th player.
by JoeTreutlein on Mar 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sham only lists guaranteed salaries. Like I said, cap space is calculated AFTER accounting for roster holds, in this case first round picks and minimum contract roster holds, which amount to approximately $5million extra (or more if the Wizards move up in the lottery). Like I said, it’s all listed in the link.
Ok, but I'm assuming they fill the minimum salary holds with players
I had forgotten about the picks, so you’re right there. I’ll clarify.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Right
Can’t the money allocated to the roster holds be used to offset the salaries of actual players? If so, then can’t we add that money back into the pot for the purpose of signing free agents?
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I think generally you don't do that
Because for the most part players cost more than the holds, so you do all your space-based shopping first, then fill out the roster with minimum contracts and exceptions (neither of which have to fit under the cap).
You people’s sound like you all are brain dead, if wack gee was all that he would have being drafted. Gee played out of control, gee was a short Javal, last year you all praise mick james and you all turn on him; trust me you all would have turn on Gee, because he have to many hole’s in his game, glad to see you go gee.,
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Mar 30, 2010 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
It’s not a site she is on.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really good post...
Reading the arguments pro & con Gee…but I can’t help missing such a promising young
player. I’m not so sure that what we saw is Gee’s ceiling. Hooo, Man! Look here. If
wings like Gee are a dime a dozen, thaen the Wizards oughta go get one!!!!!
No, they shouldn't.
There’s a big gap between Cole Aldrich and Derrick Favors. You pro-Gee geniuses out there would rather us fight hard for a chance at Cole, rather than slouch our way to the finish line and a potential hall of famer. Well, I want none of yez as my GM, man! Ernie’s the Best, and don’t ya forget it!
by Tbonebullets on Mar 30, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
No, really.
The best teams for the most part have had to pursue the Tanktastic route to success. You rarely get a strong chance at a hall of famer without playing this game. But it’s still hard, and even the Knicks needed some help from Mt. Olympus in order to get Ewing. As we’ve all seen, Gee has played really well and helped us to come within a hair of winning a few games. I guess I just see it really simply: To Tank or Not to Tank, that is the question.
by Tbonebullets on Mar 30, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus, the plan is working: the Warriors are only a half game "ahead"
of us! Not too long ago we were at the 5th pong position, and now Ernie’s got us almost tied for third. The Pistons, however, must want big Cuz really bad, because they are not giving an inch in their drive to the bottom. Remember, they have Kwame working for them. We’ll never catch up to the Wolves or the Nets, but man if a guy like Gee would have let Joe Dumars catch up to us, I would not have been happy, not even a little bit. For the sake of an extra “win,” after this season? Please.
by Tbonebullets on Mar 30, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
mike prada you are a neck bone.
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Mar 30, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
If the Wizards got the first pick in the draft this year..
they would probably trade the pick for someone like TJ Ford, Yi Jianlian, Al Harrington or Kirk Hinrich. Piece of poop front office! =/
Missing pieces of the puzzle?
@ Mike and Scott,
The logic of all of this don’t quite add up for me. Your articles initially seem to indicate that the Wiz goofed and failed to offer Gee a contract, but later it seems more like they just declined to. Or if they did make an offer, it was only after his 10-day expired, and Gee decided to choose SA instead. They locked up Livingston right as his second 10-day expired, so it seems unlikely to me (but it’s certainly possible) that they just goofed. Any sense at all that anyone in the organization wasn’t sold on Gee?
Questions I have on 10-day procedure.
1) I know agents with players under normal contracts cannot talk to other teams…does that apply to agents of 10-day players?
2) What happens to a 10-day player’s rights if he declines to sign an offer to play for them for the rest of the season?
Just wondering if Gee gave any indication that he might prefer to play for the Spurs, so they cut him loose, or they made him an offer and he declined? It seems unlikely to me that any D-Leaguer would do that without some sort of understanding that he would be picked up by the Spurs. Given his prior connection to them, just curious if there are any murmurs of something prearranged.
Or if the Wizards in their inimitable wisdom, either just decided to pass — which would be strange based on Flip’s prior statements — or maybe figured he was safe and no one else was interested. Certainly the Cap argument that Flip floated makes zero sense. It sounds like cover for something else, like maybe they goofed, or maybe that they did make an offer and he declined.
Scott would know this stuff better than me, since he broke the story
So I’ll let him handle this one.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Why does the cap space argument make zero sense?
I’m not saying I agree with the decision (because I don’t), but I understand the logic in having as few salary commitments as possible going into the offseason, even if those commitments are small. There will certainly be better players than Alonzo Gee on the market, so why risk not being able to afford them? Not saying it’s likely that the extra half million will make a difference, but it absolutely could.
The Zero Sense argument
If the going rate was signing him for the rest of this season plus a non-guaranteed contract for next season, then (if I understand it correctly) they would have no real binding commitment to him for next season, i.e. the could cut him this summer with no cap ramifications if LeBron and D-Wade suddenly decided they had to become part of the Wizards revival.
Plus, if what I’m reading in some of these other comments is accurate, it’s essentially money they’ll end up spending this summer regardless. The only way it makes any sense at all to me (so call it .01 instead of true zero) is if the only way he would stay would be for the Wiz to sign him to a guaranteed contract for next year, essentially beating the Spurs offer. It’s certainly within the realm of possibility that his agent could have asked for that, but if that’s the reason, why not say it? Just say Gee’s agent was looking for a better deal from us than we were willing to commit to. It’s better PR if nothing else, than leaving it open-ended and looking like boobs.
Who knows, maybe EG or Flip will come out with a revised statement tomorrow to clear up or wallpaper over the confusion. Or maybe it’s just me who’s confused =)
Yes, but...
The Spurs offered him a partially guaranteed contract, so the Wizards would at least have to match that—and presumably offer more—to keep him in DC. I think Gee is very much the type of player they’d want to help fill out their roster, but I understand the merits of trying to first use their cap space on higher-end talent.
Again, not saying I side with the decision. I was excited about Gee, but I think the reaction to this news is bordering on the hysterical. (This is not aimed at you at all, ts35.)
The partially guaranteed contract can be misleading
It could just mean that they were going to guarantee to pay him for the preseason, which obviously isn’t much of a financial investment (less than $100k, I’m sure). The Spurs signed Curtis Jerrells over the Summer to a partially guaranteed contract this Summer, and it turned out to be $75,000.
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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 30, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only answer question #2
He is a free agent.
A player under contract is a player under contract...
there is no distinction in the CBA for tampering as to whether the player (or Coach) is under a 10-day contract or a 1-year contract or a 6-year contract….
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I don't know if they decided not to or simply forgot
And nobody but those in the Wizards front office actually know which is the case.
I can’t say that they weren’t sold on Gee, but they didn’t like him enough to make a minimum investment in him, so they obviously weren’t completely sold on him.
Answer one – Agents can’t talk to other teams, though there are obviously loopholes. Gee could have talked to the Toros, his D-League team, even though they’re owned by the Spurs. If this is the case, I don’t know, but it’s an option.
Answer two: I don’t think a player has ever declined that option, at least not publicly. Upon the end of a 10-day contract though, he has the choice of doing whatever he wants: He could sign with another NBA team, he could go overseas, he could return to the D-League. All three have happened before.
I would have to assume that Gee’s starting the final two games made it seem likely that another NBA team would grab him, Spurs or not. There simply aren’t many 22 year olds with his potential that have shown they can play in the NBA. I know Gee had an interest in the Spurs organization due to them helping him develop already, but the fact that he wasn’t signed by them before probably Washington probably didn’t/shouldn’t have instilled a large amount of confidence that the Spurs would definitely pick him up.
I don’t know every detail, but it seems to me that had they handled the situation the way Golden State has handled Reggie Williams, this would be less of an issue. They wouldn’t even have had to go through the 10-day contract thing, they could have signed him for the rest of the year, as many teams are doing at this point of the season. It seems as though the Wizards just didn’t show much faith in Gee from the get-go. Whether that was the initial plan (to look at a bevy of D-Leaguers) or just that they didn’t see long-term potential in Gee, I don’t know.
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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There is absolutely zerio basis for saying this but...
could this be the result of a power play between Grunfeld and Saunders. Perhaps Ernie was unhappy that Flip said that they would sign Gee for the rest of the season. These two might be jockeying to get the new owner’s ear.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 30, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe, you never know
I think if only one guy has to go, it should be Grunfeld. But Saunders doesn’t exactly seem like the guy to stick around and coach a rebuilding team (if the Wizards actually go that route and do it properly, which they should). There’s a lot of things that went wrong that Grunfeld couldn’t control, but he’s just made too many mistakes over the last several years to keep his job.
this is abominable
I have been out of town since Saturday, and have not had internet access since Sunday. (Yes, there are still places in this country…) I can not believe what I’m reading. Gee was emerging as one of the bright spots of this season, yet another little known player whose hard work and determination moved him ahead of the guys who have been here and grown accustomed to the “status quo.”
Most of you know that I have been clamoring for Nick Young to get more PT, but I am VERY close to giving up on him. I still have no doubt about his talent, but I do question his heart and his head. One, or both, are not in the right place. Now you have an undrafted rookie who moves ahead of NY in the rotation, is more consistent all around, and is willing to put in the work to get better; and you let him WALK? Pitiful. Just pitiful.
I wish Gee the best, and I hope he has a long, productive career. Unfortunately, I’m not sure a veteran laden team in contention is the right fit for him. Perhaps he will step into Michael Finley’s old role. Or perhaps he will be for them what Richard Jefferson was supposed to be. I’m just not sure he will get either opportunity this year, and I highly doubt he will get more playing time to showcase his abilities than he would have in Washington. Not that the Spurs care. This just shows once again how much better that franchise is than this one, top to bottom. Very similar to the Blair pick – they grab the young talent that will best help their franchise, while we continue to throw mud at the wall and wait to see what sticks.
Did anybody consider that
maybe there are circumstances that we don’t know about, like maybe Gee told the wiz he had no intention of signing here for more than the two ten-day contracts?
Like maybe he’d rather play for a winner/contender?
Like maybe he was more comfortable with the overall situation in SA?
Like maybe he was more comfortable with the coaching staff in SA?
Like maybe he’s slotted to be Ginobili’s replacement at some point? Or maybe he has some other pre-defined role waiting for him next year in SA?
Like maybe there are some things that the wiz brass can’t do, like make a player sign a contract against his will?
If Any of Those Things Were True
Then why would EG BS about “cap space”? Why couldn’t he come out and say, “we made Gee an offer, but he decided his future would be brighter in SA, so we wish him luck.” Where’s the bad PR in that?
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Given that it’s quite possible the Wizards will draft a small forward this summer, and they already have enough players that can play that position (Thornton, Miller, Singleton, etc.), I can see why Gee is now a Spur. I know partially guaranteed money isn’t a whole lot to commit to, but perhaps that roster spot is.
by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
CJHUTCH, it has nothing to do with nick, nick has as much or more game than anyone on this team, but flip would play you if he could get away with it before nick, he don’t like nick, it’s personal and nothing else. FLIP is 1 year into his contract , so he isn’t going any where, and he noes this. flip can pretty much do as he please. if he had a choice he wouldn’t play mcgee ,or blatche neither.
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Mar 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
I used to say
the same thing about Eddie Jordan, believe me. I gave NY the benefit of the doubt for a long time. But, I’m sorry, you just can’t convince me that Flip “liked” an undrafted rookie guy that just stepped in on a 10 day contract better than Young. Now, I’m not saying that Gee is more talented than Young (though he may be), all I’m saying is that he worked harder. Is it because he was trying to “get his foot in the door?” Absolutely. But Young has enough to prove as well that he should be working just as hard as any “10-day guy.”
NEW TEAM
WHEN NICK gets with cb3 and TIM FLOYD you will see how good he is. GOOD things comes to those who wait or move on.
straight talk
by Mae.jude@yahoo.com on Mar 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
I just hope the Wizards have a better excuse than salary cap reasons for a undrafted free agent because that is an insult to their few hard core educated fans, which a large part lurk here.
This team is still “tanking” regardless if Gee is on the roster or not so I am not buying that conspiracy theory either. They really are not tanking as in they are still playing somewhat hard but just are not any good.
At this junction of playing out the string, it befuddles me that this is even more reason to give Gee minutes against NBA players and potentially develop his confidence against NBA caliber players. Most fans that still subject themselves to this crap product have seen Gee’s development over the past few weeks as hope and maybe we found a diamond in the rough.
The organization waved the white flag by trading 3 of our best players and then refuse to sign a DLeagure to another 10 day contract. These are hard facts for Wizards fans to swallow, especially when those who made decisions that put this franchise in such a dismal state are still in charge.
The trade for Foye and Miller has not worked out. Losing out on Blair will haunt Wizards fans for a long time. Keeping the Big 3 for another run was a tragic mistake. Gee is not an All Star and we will probably forget about him by May but factoring in the context of Grunfeld’s poor decisions is why this type of thinking rubs Wizards fans so poorly.
I just hope Teddy comes in and cleans house. These jokers should not be the ones to build back the house that they had to burn down. They can have their “do over” with another franchise.
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i dont care
its obvious this season is on the scrap heap……clear the decks, bet there was an envelope with cash in it from San Antonio…Gilbert, Andray, Mcghee, Thoronton, Singleton, Young , Howard, Miller and the to be announced
by Mikko Leinonen's opposite on Mar 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions

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