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Flip Saunders: Andray Blatche taken out because he "didn't want to be coached"

Flip Saunders' decision to bench Andray Blatche for the majority of tonight's game stemmed from a disagreement in which Blatche said he didn't want to play after Saunders took him to task for not getting back on defense, the coach told reporters after the game.

Saunders said he took Blatche out of the game for not getting back in a transition sequence, forcing Mike Miller to pick up Blatche's man.  Blatche took issue to Saunders' treatment, after which Saunders said if he didn't want to be coached, he wouldn't play.  According to Saunders, Blatche said he didn't want to play and repeated the phrase when assistant coaches approached him three different times.  

"In my fifteen years [of coaching], I've never seen anything like it," Saunders said.  "I'm more disappointed in him that I've ever been with a player in my coaching career."

Blatche had left the locker room by the time reporters came in.

When asked whether Blatche would play in tomorrow's game against the Pacers, Saunders said "I would doubt it right now.  I don't know, but I would doubt it," adding that Blatche will certainly be disciplined.

It's unclear which play Saunders is referencing, but it occurred early in the first quarter.  Blatche was visibly absent from team huddles the rest of the game, often staring into the stands instead of into the huddle.

"He can be pissed at me, but you never leave your teammates hanging out to dry like that, no matter what, especially when you've lost 11 games in a row and have a chance to win a game," Saunders said. "Uncalled for."

Nick Young told reporters that he spoke to Blatche to try to calm him down, but it didn't work.

"I don't know what really happened, but it's a disappointing situation from both ends because we really could have used Dray tonight," Young said.  "I told him, 'You're playing well.  You don't want to mess it up.  It's your opportunity to go out there and keep playing and don't worry about distractions.  You got to man up sometimes.'"

Al Thornton, James Singleton, Shaun Livingston and Randy Foye declined comment when asked about the incident, except to say that the team could have used Blatche down the stretch.  

Saunders raised his voice several times during the press conference, responding in the affirmative when asked whether this was the low point of the season for him.

"Coaches aren't wrong, no matter what.  When a coach wants to teach you something, and you think you're above that because you've played, what, 16 games?"

"Right now, [with] those teammates, he's lost his credibility, that ability to be in the trenches.  What's going to happen when things go bad?  You just can't do those things," Saunders said.

"If you don't want to be coached, you're in the wrong spot," he added.

Ironically, the Wizards have distributed sheets of paper advocating for Blatche as the league's Most Improved Player in the media room.  Here's a copy. 

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You have got to be kidding me

This season is right out of the twilight zone.

by ccrun1800 on Mar 23, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This is totally it. I'm not a Wiz fan (obviously) but it would be impossible to not have empathy for Wiz fans.

The Twilight Zone aka the Wizards 2009-10 season.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where you go Bill Simmons and mutter....

…Yep, these are my Wizards.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed...

Can’t wait to see what’s next

by imperialme on Mar 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a sad statement. A very sad statement. Only something a Wizards fan would say. (No offense.)

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

None taken

I’ve been a Bullets fan way to long to be easily offended

by imperialme on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy a Bullets fan. You aren't one of Tom Friend's 6 are you?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Not getting the reference

by imperialme on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's okay. Nobody does.

I’m not even sure I get it exactly. It has something to do with Tom Friend and something about there only being 6 original Bullet fans.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm changing it once I get home

Any ideas. Right now; I’m leaning towards: “worst. Season. Ever.”

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 23, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about

&#*(#*$%*$%^%(!!!!!!!

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 23, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Come on now - Enough is enough"

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 23, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like this.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't say that

This is what i said after the terrible record, then the Gilbert situation, then the trades, then Josh Howard’s injury, etc. YES, in Washington, it can

by qthaballa on Mar 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was the whole point, it's for the headline

because like you just said, it’s what we all think, and then it somehow DOES get evenworse

by FNFWizardsFan on Mar 23, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Character, Commitment, Cluster-f&ck"

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one too.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about...

…Crime, Agent Zero and Clusterfuck.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or if you don't like using a reference to Arenas

Crime, Clowns and Clusterfucks. Or some such.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't have the same ring to it. But that's me.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you could it like htis

The VC: Where crimes, curses and clusterf&ck’s happen.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, it's the 3 C's that make it work

I definitely like the Crime and Clusterf&ck. What’s a good 3rd one?

by FNFWizardsFan on Mar 23, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Crime, Clowns and Clusterf&ck better actually.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No more cursed than any other franchise.

But I agree this season is one for the ages. And I thought the Kings had an awful season a year ago.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 24, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's certainly more accurate

or, just add question marks:
Character? Commitment? Clusterfuck!

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, i like mine because i think it rolls off the tongue better

and points out the absurdity of this year’s slogan vs. what really happened.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i liked mine more at first

but i like the question marks a lot, yours is way funnier

by FNFWizardsFan on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

"No We Can't"

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Mar 24, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“Where a season long suspension on a gun charge is NOT the low point of the season”

by MR on Mar 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't. Only a person who isn't human wouldn't cry.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear

I wasn’t calling you a cyborg.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

man if we can still hopefully trade him with capspace for a lotto pick we got to jump on that … Blatch is trippin

by eltacoman on Mar 24, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I Can Do is Shake My Head

What…the…f#$%! And here I think that at least we have our power forward of the future set for next season. He has been playing great. Still young, still has potential to get even better. And now this. WTF!

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 23, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

So do you have JaVale McGee or Andray Blatche more?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hate^

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely McGee

Most of Blatche’s problems are off the court. On the court, he’s been really good for us. His All-Star numbers these past several games might actually entice some other GM to make a good offer. I’m not sure McGee would get us as much. And McGee pisses me off on the court more than Blatche ever did. And that is saying a lot.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic. But your point stands I suppose.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 24, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was afraid after the money comment

I dont know if this is related, but it might have been a warning sign…
it can always get worse…

by forthepeople on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Has any player gone from

reserve to Diva in this fast. I mean what was it 15 games. Who had the under on that?

by ccrun1800 on Mar 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dray

I only heard about this after the game but I knew exactly what had happened. He’s big time now and doesn’t need any “coach” screwing up what he has going… because he has played well for less than a quarter of a season. When I said over the summer and the summer before that that this kid does not get it and does not have it mentally this is what I meant.

Dray has always been easily satisfied. It started with him thinking that jump shooting sessions with Harvey Grant and Pesh were enough to prepare him for the NBA.

its evident in the fact that JaVale has progressed more physically in 18 months than Blatche has 5 years. He doesn’t want to do the work. He just wants to play.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 24, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Only

There was a way for us to draft both Favors and Cousins. Sounds like we can use both.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 23, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually being sarcastic

As in “Does anybody still want another tempermental, hot-headed big man?”

by imperialme on Mar 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Washington Wizards: Where 7day Dray is Payday Dray getting back on fast breaks.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 23, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anybody see the play in question?

1) Did Andray give up on the defensive sequence?

2) Did Flip go overboad given the circumstance?

3) What’s next? Leonsis dancing in tights at halftime?

by Izman on Mar 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

So what happens now?

Does Dray need to apologize to coach/team before he can come comeback?

Regardless of coming back?

Does coach bench him for a game and allow him to come back the game after?

Is he done for the season?

 Is this an elaborate tanking scheme? (that was a joke).

by zeke5123 on Mar 23, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

this was funny
…Coaches aren’t wrong, no matter what. When a coach wants to teach you something, and you think you’re above that because you’ve played, what, 16 games?"

this was really funny
… What’s going to happen when things go bad? …

by les boulez bomber on Mar 23, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

He was doing so well....

Candidate for my new favorite player, obviously, now….

by qthaballa on Mar 23, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

MIP!

Meaning: Most Insubordinate Player.

by Elvin Unseld on Mar 24, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Can Bulletsforever put a full page ad in the Post?

or an “Op-Ed” like Gilbert Arenas did? And say that there are real people who give a shit about this team but are real real close to freaking out if they don’t get their act together? I’d plunk down a few bucks for the space.
Friends, let’s start ourselves a movement!

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually like this idea a lot

How about an open letter to Ted and Stern?

by imperialme on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

let's see if mike p. is up for it.

maybe right after the last game or something.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm absolutely up for it

Let me know if you want to do something about those lines and I’ll drop an e-mail tomorrow (because I have them when you sign up for the site * evil grin *).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 24, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely - shoot me an email.

not sure about the logistics of the whole thing, or even how the process works with the Post. but i’m in up for writing a little, organizing – whatever.

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is an awesome idea. Talk about being involved as a fan!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Mar 24, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ads in the Washington Post are ridiculously expensive, especially full-page ads.

by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 24, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any Idea How Much?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

10 lines as a legal notice in USA Today costs $800.

10 itty-bitty lines! We’re talking twitter-length phrases!

"the chevy chase bank deposit!"

by newmaniumreveler on Mar 24, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

gotta think the post would be less

since USA Today is nation-wide

"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith

by little stevie colter on Mar 24, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This makes

for the most rag-tag roster I can ever remember for the Wiz

by CBDirty30 on Mar 24, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Just wow.

Not (previously) a big Wiz fan, but gotta have some sympathy here. (full disclosure: I DO have Blatche as a late-season genius pickup in a roto league I’m trying to win. Shti.)

Is there some kind of Cursed Franchise of the Year Award I’m unaware of?? And the Wiz felt threatened by the Warriors’ 8-man, half D-league roster?? Coz that’s the only explanation I can think of.

Nice gallows humor up there, guys. And if I were a Wizard player, my blood would freeze if I heard Flip postulate:
“What will they do when things go bad?”

“Ummm…coach? You mean “go bad” from HERE? From this point Damn."

by MegaTrollificus on Mar 24, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Flip's Prophecy
Nice gallows humor up there, guys. And if I were a Wizard player, my blood would freeze if I heard Flip postulate:
"What will they do when things go bad?"

"Ummm…coach? You mean "go bad" from HERE? From this point Damn."

Flip Saunders’s quote, from December 29th, 2009:

“We’ve got to wake up. As I told them, don’t ever think it can’t get any worse, because it can. There’s no question, it can.”

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts too.

Surely Flip must know that the “things are going well” ship sailed a long time ago…?

"the chevy chase bank deposit!"

by newmaniumreveler on Mar 24, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, nice job Blatch...

…trying to set a new record for “Fastest Scrub-to-Diva Transition”.

But I think this the unbeatable record is still held by Carlos Arroyo for the Jazz back in ’04 when he came back from a nice game against the US Olympic team as a superstar. That was basically a 0 game transition from “Please pay me to play in the NBA” to “I run the team now.”.

by MegaTrollificus on Mar 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Sigh

I think I’m numb to everything at this point.

What’s worse is that I think last season wasn’t any luckier or better. This is 2 in a row.

by JonathanJoseph on Mar 24, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Just remember everyone

We are more likely to get a draft pick 5-7 than we are 1-4. So we have that going for us.

by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 24, 2010 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Could we trade Dre for a first round pick?

His salary is basement level. Hell, a second rounder. Yo, it sucks to be a fan sometimes…

by Tbonebullets on Mar 24, 2010 2:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Please get traded Andrey please! Your deserve so much more than this hell hole of an organization. As a fan I really do hope he gets traded, I wanna see his talent flourish in success not injury.

by Unxpekted on Mar 24, 2010 4:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Was This a Joke?

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, ok

Now I sort of get y Gilbert pooped in Blatches sneakers….excuse me.
You know , in 1978………
Lol
darn!

by Mikko Leinonen's opposite on Mar 24, 2010 5:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't even know what to say

I’ve been defending Blatche, but I can’t do that here. For the love of Abe Pollin, grow up.

by Matt K. on Mar 24, 2010 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it me???

or is Flip Saunders a drama queen? Hardly the firm hand at the helm I thought he was. He slams players in public – not in a constructive way either – it’s almost mean spirited. I’m not saying Blatche was right, and I’m not saying he didn’t deserve to hear what Flip had to say, but Flip uses words with such venom in these press conferences. It’s as if Flip is an insecure teenage girl. For whatever Eddie Jordan lacked in X’s and O’s, he was much more of a nuanced coach when it came to this type of thing. I’ve actually been impressed with Blatche’s attitude the past few weeks. He wasn’t making excuses for losses or blaming his teammates like Butler and Jamison used to do. Even he’s not even close to their level yet, Blatche has been manning up in his interviews, taking blame, not making excuses for the schedule or the double teams, saying they need to get better, etc. Dare I say, he’d sounded like a leader? At this point, I’m more disappointed in Flip than Blatche.

by mogoman on Mar 24, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, I think it's you...

Coach is Coach. Player is Player. Player must listen to Coach. Otherwise, Team cannot function. At All.

by YellaFella on Mar 24, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

have you forgotten the EJ vs. Haywood saga?

by MR on Mar 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can be disappointed in both

But there’s no way you can justify Blatche’s side of this.
Have you pulled yourself out of a game because the coach yelled at you? At any level? I can’t even think of any teammates doing it, and I had some real knuckehead teammates (and several coaches with anger management problems).
Remember that Blatche is getting paid to play, which makes it that much worse. I was really becoming a Blatche fan, but this is tough to swallow.

by steadyhand on Mar 24, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flip Has a Different Style Than Eddie Jordan
…Flip uses words with such venom in these press conferences. It’s as if Flip is an insecure teenage girl. For whatever Eddie Jordan lacked in X’s and O’s, he was much more of a nuanced coach when it came to this type of thing.

I’m biased here, because as a fan I hated Eddie’s press conferences because I never got any good information on what’s really going on behind the curtain. As a fan, I appreciate the fact that there really isn’t a curtain when it comes to Flip. Everything he says and does is transparent to the public. Is that a good thing for the team, though? That’s not so clear. But I will say that Flip has a much better track record in his coaching career than a guy like Eddie Jordan, a career loser who is about to be fired for the second season in a row.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dray needs to be suspended

for at least a game. Quitting on your teammates like that is inexcusable.

That being said let’s not overlook Flip’s role in this. He has a bad habit of calling out his players through the media which isn’t going to foster a lot of trust or respect between player and coach. His quote " Coaches aren’t wrong, no matter what." exemplifies an arrogance that has surfaced periodically during the season. There almost certainly is more to this than Dray just deciding to do this out of thin air, he just picked the wrong way of expressing his displeasure.

When Flip was hired I thought it was a coup for the Wizards and was behind the hiring 100 percent. But after less than a full season I’ve done an about-face on him. His increasingly poor rotations and shoddy player management have all but convinced me this is not the guy for this team. I don’t think he has the make-up anymore to take a young, rebuilding team and help them progress(granted that’s not the kind of team he thought he was getting when he signed here).

Plus Flip’s ripping of AB for giving up when you “..have a chance to win a game.” was hypocritical, even if correct, considering he did just about everything in his power to lose that game with a horrible coaching effort., of which he’s had quite a few lately.

by Mike Uhrich on Mar 24, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Again, not defending Blatche but Flip really needs to stop badmouthing players to the media. When they (especially the young ones) hear this, they aren’t going to try harder, they are going to tune him out. And losing 11 in a row is evidence of that. Also, I’m sick of the KG references. It’s clear that Flip has an affinity for him, but he can’t be comparing our guys to KG at this stage in their career. KG was given playing time for a lot of the first few seasons while AB has mostly rode the pine until we shipped out Jamison. HUGE difference.

by finkad01 on Mar 24, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta disagree

Flip’s talking about KG’s attitude. How hard-working he was. How he took coaching as an opportunity to get better. Nothing wrong with giving them a high standard to aspire to. Flip’s not talking about playing time, ability or anything else. He’s trying to explain that one reason KG was great was that he wasn’t a self-centered slacker who thought he was “all that.” If these guys want to get better, they need to have the same attitude. They’ll never be KG, but they will improve, hopefully to the point that they get the max out of their potential.

I, for one, am glad to see a coach not kowtow to and coddle their players. Tough love is what’s called for, and Flip, IMO, is giving them just that.

by YellaFella on Mar 24, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

There are hundreds of kids/players with NBA talent. The difference between the guys in the NBA and the guys talking to their friends about how they are good enough to play in the NBA if not for the ‘politics’ is work ethic and the mental approach to the game.

A motivated Bruce Bowen trumps an unmotivated Blatche.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 24, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

How if Flip to blame for any of this?

I just don’t get that. He didn’t sit down and refuse to coach this crap team, he hasn’t given up on anyone. He’s right, if you don’t want to be coached then you need to find a new job. As for his criticism in the media, I think it’s been refreshing. Eddie Jordan did criticize players but he was much more subtle about it. Haywood was his media whipping boy for a while. Saunders is just not hiding his feelings about the players or the culture of the team. When he had his first meltdown and talked about the teams lack of defensive intensity, it was a relief. He’s basically been right about all of his comments and if he isn’t going to be the coach in the future at least someone finalyl called out the team and the players and made them somewhat accountable. Maybe now we can stop pretending that we are just a healthy Arenas and a free agent or two away from being any good. This team is heading for the bottom fast with no relief in sight.

by seewhite on Mar 24, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I definitely do think that, as long as a player (any player) isn't listening to you, it reflects on you

But I mostly agree with this, in that Flip did the right thing at this specific moment (assuming his account is close to the truth, which I believe it is).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 24, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I can’t remember any other players on his former teams saying that he was difficut to play for. The Pistons did seem to be a little sick of him when he did finally leave, but I don’t think that had anything to do with his communication skills. But this does have to reflect on him in some ways, just as it has to reflect on Grunfeld. Both are paid to get players and to get them to play their best and that just didn’t happen. This whole thing is just crazy anyway. Where was Blatche’s head when he was doing this, especially in the second half? This doesn’t cripple his career, but he took three huge steps back last night.

by seewhite on Mar 24, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even Several Players on the Pistons

Had good things to say about Flip. Other than Ben and Rasheed, I don’t recall many Pistons openly badmouthing him. Billups had very nice things to say about Flip. So did Rip.

But maybe this isn’t a good fit for Flip’s style. But since it looks like we are starting over anyway, we might as well keep him and try to field a team to complement his style. I think Thornton, Singleton, Livingston, Miller, and Josh Howard are good fits for Flip, assuming we keep most of those guys next season. And I think that Arenas could learn to play better under Flip. Blatche may be a lost cause at this point, though.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Would Agree, Except...
I definitely do think that, as long as a player (any player) isn’t listening to you, it reflects on you

Usually that’s right. But remember how much Blatche hated Eddie Jordan? He’s starting to establish a trend.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

if

Young players who tune out NBA coaches end up with jobs other than playing basketball. There are agents’ offices littered with young players who had it all figured out, now working as runners and trying to get in on AAU kids.

I’ve given Flip a ton of garbage over much bigger issues but Flip v Blatche is not even close. Blatche is nothing more than a sht stain on the drawers of the NBA at this stage of his career. Few would notice if he never played another game.

by Jheiser3 on Mar 24, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor rotations?

I’m curious what exactly you’d do with this team.

by bronco6778 on Mar 24, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He took a playoff team to overtime last night, without his best player Blatche. He has kept this team competitive without a lot of talent at his disposal. (Yes, I realize I am coming down from the high I was on after the first few games after the All-Star break. I was wrong about our talent level, especially without Josh Howard. I admitted as much after our second blowout to the Bucks.) I don’t see how you can fault Flip for this losing streak. I’m still backing him as our coach going into next season.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dray's new nickname just occurred to me

“Willie Beamen Blatche”. He’s the only other person I can think of that went Diva this quickly. All that’s missing is an album (which I’m sure will be dropping by the end of the year).

by imperialme on Mar 24, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

1 step forward

Boy does this suck. The one shining light in this season of darkness, and now he does this? Blatche was on his way to becoming a legit NBA star, maybe even a franchise player. But his immaturity showed through, and now we’re even worse off than we thought we were. Here we were thinking at least we had one guy we could potentially build the team around, or at least share the “centerpiece” duties.
So now what do we do? I mean, I say we at least suspend him for the rest of the season. The problem is, how bad does this affect his trade value? Sure, he’s shown that he could potentially all -star material, but nobody can say he’s a proven commodity yet. Which means that, if we were to trade him, we’d get pennies on the dollar. Sound familiar?

by CJHutch on Mar 24, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Make a Business Move

One of my fellow carpoolers recommended this to me. Suspend Blatche for five games. Send him to counseling. Talk about how he is working through some maturity issues, but you are pleased with his overall progress in his development as a player. When he comes back, start him and continue to feed the ball to him on a regular basis. Hope that he can put up the same kind of All-Star numbers that he had been putting up before the incident.

Then as soon as the season ends, put his ass firmly on the trading block and hope you get a very good offer.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Mar 24, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Originally, I thought it was bad for the coach to call out his players but....

I have changed my mind in this case. I changed my mind because maybe AB is not listening to the coach so he may have to put it out there to get his attention. I am hoping that maybe one of the veteran players will talk to AB to help him with his attitude. Furthermore, I like the idea of benching him for insubordinate and it should be done more throughout the ledge to rid the ledge of this type of behavior. I also think that this is more important than winning. The coaches has to nip it in the bud or he losses control of the entire team. This is no different than rising children – they will continue to do things that you allow them to get away with. Flip needs to control the team and players need to do what the coach ask/tell them to do – period!

Long-Time Wizard Fan

by WizardFan on Mar 24, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

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