2010 NBA Draft Prospect Profile: DeMarcus Cousins
Editor's Note, by rook6980:
This is the fifth installment in what I expect to be a regular posting on Draft Prospects. This series will take a look at the top draft prospects for the 2010 NBA Draft in June. The plan is to have one or two a week, leading up to a flurry of activity the week of the draft. My DVR is crammed full of College games, and I'm watching and writing as fast as I can (between Wizards games).
Just another note: These draft prospect articles are not necessarily done in any order... but rather their order is based on which College games I've had time to watch and analyze; and which ones my editor (Mike Prada) thinks may be particularly pertinent at the time.
Draft Prospect assessments:
John Wall
Evan Turner
Wesley Johnson
Derrick Favors
Al-Farouq Aminu Upcoming
Cole Aldrich Upcoming
Greg Monroe Upcoming
Patrick Patterson Upcoming
DeMarcus Cousins
19 years old
6'11"; 270 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman
A full grown man, playing against 6th graders. That's what Cousins looks playing against College competition. He's a tremendously imposing physical specimen, standing every bit of 6'11", and looking like old time (1960's & 1970's) prototypical NBA Centers like Bill Lambier or Willis Reed - thick chest, broad shoulders. But Cousins is not just an impressive physical presence - he also has an impressive skill set to go with his physical gifts.
Standing nearly 7-feet, and weighing in at 270 with a condor-like wingspan and great hands; Cousins still looks like he's got a little baby fat on him. He's got the ideal size to play Center in the NBA - but he's also mobile and agile.
There isn't a better low-post scorer in college basketball. I'll let that sink in for a few seconds. Cousins is averaging 15.9 points, 10 rebounds and 1.8 blocks per game; but he's only playing a little over 22 minutes a game. His per 40 minute numbers are absolutely gaudy: 27.6 points, 17.6 rebounds and 3.1 blocks per 40 minutes. Those are scary numbers.
Cousins is able to establish and hold deep position in the post and rarely gets pushed off the blocks. His long arms gives teammates a target that the opponent simply cannot get to. He's able to handle the ball well for a player his size. He has very good footwork around the basket, and when he's not dunking, he shows a surprising number of post moves. He's shown a baby hook, with either hand, a jump hook, tear drop, various pivots, drop steps (usually from the right side) and spin moves to the middle. I even saw him do an up and under against North Carolina. He's got no problems finishing through contact, even very heavy contact. He's shooting a respectable 54.5% from the field; and he gets to the line a lot (7.1 times per game) and converts at a 63.7% rate. That percentage could be better, but he has a good, consistent stroke and he should be able to improve that percentage.
Speaking of shots, Cousins does have a fairly good mid-range game. He rarely brings it out, but the few times I've seen him shoot a jumper, he looked smooth. His jump shot is mechanically sound, with a good release and nice rotation on the ball. That's one of the reasons I think he can be a better free throw shooter.
However, Cousins is not what you'd call "unselfish." He's more of a black hole on offense. He's not much of a passer, once he gets the ball and he rarely gives it up without taking a shot. He runs the floor well, but otherwise, he's got only average athleticism. However, his great size and strength help to mitigate that weakness somewhat.
Defensively, Cousins can block shots ... well, he can block a LOT of shots and sometimes he can block shots just by standing in the paint with his arms up. Most of the time, he looks like he's putting forth effort on the defensive end, if only because John Calipari would bench him if he wasn't trying Calipari. He cannot be backed down, at least at the college level, and it's extremely difficult for opposing Centers to get shots over him.
Cousins is a terrific rebounder, especially at the defensive end. His 17.6 rebounds per 40 minutes attest to that fact. However, I'm not totally enamored with his rebounding technique. It seems that he rarely blocks out, and sometimes rebounds with one hand. He's picked up some lazy habits because he's just simply bigger, and stronger than his opponents at the college level, and he'll find out that you just cannot rebound that way at the next level. There are bigger (taller), more athletic guys in the NBA that will jump higher than him, and there are guys that will use their body, timing and fundamentals (David Lee, Kevin Love) to out rebound him in the NBA.
Cousins lacks anything resembling quickness - and his deficiencies on defense are exposed when defending smaller, quicker opponents. Cousins will have a lot of trouble at the next level defending the pick-and-roll, or switching out on smaller players. He's also not especially comfortable guarding the perimeter, and the NBA is peppered with Centers that roam around the three-point line.
There are also obviously questions about Cousins maturity and mental toughness. There were some incidents in high school where he displayed some anger issues and there was that forearm shiver incident against Louisville. But for the most part, with the entire college basketball world waiting for Cousins to explode, those issues have not materialized. Cousins has his supporters, like Calipari and John Wall, and there's always the problem that small issues are sometimes taken out of context or blown up way out of proportion, as Brian Eldridge points out in his article at Scout.com
That's not to say that Cousins is the epitome of teamwork and unselfishness. While Kentucky was blowing out East Tennessee State in the second half, an ETS player drove to the basket, and while Patrick Patterson and Perry Stevenson defended for Kentucky, Cousins leaked out on the break. Patterson and Stevenson battled with three ETS players before one of the East Tennessee State players finally put the ball in the basket. As John Wall brought the ball up court, he spotted Cousins under their offensive basket and hit him with a pass for an easy dunk. Now I don't bring this up to show John Wall's vision, or Cousin's ability to dunk; but rather to show that while his team was battling on defense, Cousins was sprinting down court for a blue bird.
On another play, he was fouled hard under the basket; and showed a little disgust? Anger? I'm not sure what the right word is, but he's gotta know that until he's a better Free Throw shooter (63%), teams are going to foul him rather than let him just go up and dunk the ball. The CBS announcers noticed it and talked about Cousins attempts to "control his emotions" this year, and that he had made real strides.
STRENGTHS:
- Great size, NBA body, Strength, Huge wingspan
- Good hands, great footwork, Excellent Touch
- Establishes, and maintains deep position in post
- Offensively skilled, post moves
- Ability to finish through contact
- Great rebounder
- Productivity, ability to get to the FT line
- Dominates inside
- Nice mid-range jump shot
- Above average ball handling skills for a big man
- Shot-blocking
WEAKNESSES:
- Conditioning, motor, effort, focus, activity level
- Not especially athletic
- Sometimes lacks effort on defense
- Defensive Fundamentals
- Lack of quickness
- Intangibles: Maturity, work ethic, Basketball IQ
- Anger issues?
- High bust potential
Talk about a dilemma! General managers must look at the physical gifts and the skills of Demarcus Cousins and dream that he could be the next great center. A franchise cornerstone type player. A HoF type player. And they are right. The physical gifts and skills are all there.
But then there's the other side of the coin: those pesky intangibles. Those things that are hard to quantify with statistics, but easy to see on and off the court and easy to put into words: Work Ethic. Coachability. Basketball IQ. Effort. Focus. Maturity. Mental Toughness. Competitiveness. If those things are there, they can turn a good college player into a great NBA player. But if they are not, well, you know the rest.
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great complement to mcgee and will solidify the front court if blatche continues to develop for years. kentucky is just flat out loaded
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions
is that Evan Turner
throwin those alley-oops? If so, his stock will be plummeting, cuz those passes were way off target.
He's Benoit-Benjamin-scary.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/benjabe01.html
Cousins’ body reminds me of Benoit’s a little too. Could be pure fool’s gold. On the other hand, if the light bulb comes on, he could hit the bricks and the pool and become scary good. Who knows? Bottom line, I think Favors is more of a sure thing – in terms of a reliable NBA career – than this guy.
I don't know
I have questions about that prospect’s field goal percentage. Since he shoots only high percentage alley-oop dunks, you’d expect a better percentage……
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That's not very scary
In college Cousins is producing at a higher rate than Benjamin on a much better team against much better competition. And he’s doing it two years younger.
And Benjamin’s career numbers? 15.2 pts, 10 rb, 2.6 blks per 36 minutes. Not bad at all. If you question the value of those numbers, consider that he was traded for a starter and two first round picks in his prime. That’s not a bust.
This team has already
tried the all offense, no defense approach…..while that can make for high scoring games all that gets you in the end is a first round exit(assuming they even make the playoffs). The Wiz really need to draft someone with some defensive acumen and starting down low would be a big help or possibly bringing back Haywood.
I'm sorry, I can't buy the rebounding thing
Time and time again, it’s been proven that if you can rebound in college, you will rebound in the pros. Lots of people said the same thing about DeJuan Blair too.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Blair is a technique rebounder.
I haven’t seen enough of cousins to say he isn’t, but that seems to be what rook is saying.
That does seem to be what Rook is saying
But I don’t buy it. You can’t rebound as well as Cousins does on any level if you have no rebounding technique.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I agree
And that body and athletecism will help him greatly in the NBA as well. Maybe he won’t be a man among 6th graders but he’ll still be a precense.
by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 22, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones-y is right
Cousins has a NBA body. He’s just bigger than folks. That’s why he’s getting rebounds. We’ll see though. 10 boards a game is not chump change. I think Favors has more upside.
Blair was always shorter and was out rebounding guys like Thabeet who was 7’2. That is technique.
Nevertheless, Cole Aldrich is a Eric Montrose Jr. Saw him play saturday. Wow…he’s limited. He’s just a big 7ft goon who jumps over the back of people. He has a nice half hook shot. That’s about it. Ceiling has been tapped with him. Kansas actually played better when he got hurt. Plus he’s a walking injury waiting to happen. Looks like a fly could hit his knee and he would collapse.
The last thing this team needs is another spoiled, tempermental big man
I would be perfectly OK if we pass on him and he ends up proving me wrong. The risk/reward just isn’t there, in my opinion. I’d say his best case scenario (Brand with an attitude and some defense) is far less likely than his worst case scenario (Rasheed throwing a tantrum). No thanks.
If Sheed is his worst case,
then where do I sign? OTOH, if a slightly better Elton Brand is the best case, then I’ll pass… LOL!
But seriously, I agree in principle, he is a risky pick, but I have his low ceiling as certified bust…
Maybe I was unclear
Worst case is this year’s Sheed throwing a tantrum.
If we get the 2
I’d rather pick Turner. Fits our needs better and seems to be a more sure bet.
Honestly, when I see Cousins, I see a taller Zach Randolph
And while Randolph doesn’t get the best rep, he can be a damn good player.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But isn't Zach Randolph a damn good player this year
because he’s on one of the greatest contract runs we’ve seen for awhile.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Mar 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn
So Zach Randolph might actually have grown up? Wow.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Mar 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And there's my main problem with Cousins....
By the time Zach Randolph “got” it , he was 27 and on his 4th team…
I’m afraid that Cousins will be one of those guys that skates through his Rookie contract, showing only flashes (Nick Young, anyone?) , but really explodes the second or third year of his second contract – on a different team….. or maybe his third team….
I’d rather the Wizards draft a guy with a chip on his shoulder…. someone with something to prove… someone that wants to be the best player on the court from the first tip of his first Pro game.
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Plus
I’m naturally drawn to guys that play sound fundamental defense, and block out when they rebound. It shows attention to detail, and attention to Coaching. It also shows that they are more interested in TEAM than individual goals… Offensive only guys are more often the other way – they go for stats…. Sometimes you find that rare Offensive guy, that doesn’t play Defense, but still finds a way to help the team win (Steve Nash), but they’re rare.
Now, I’m NOT saying that Cousins is a poor defender…. although he will have trouble defending the pick-and-roll, and defending perimeter players in the NBA….. What I AM saying is that Cousins does not play sound fundamental defense.
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Well, Randolph was very good early in his career with Portland
He also was great in 2006/07 and got paid way more than he was worth, which hurts anyone’s motivation. You also can’t discount that he came up on the absolute worst team in terms of role models.
And yet he’s still as good as he is. My issue with Randolph is more that he’s not a great passer or defender.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
comps
I think of Randolph’s every time I watch Cousins, and that’s both good and bad. But, for a high lottery pick, I think it is mostly scary. Draftexpress has his “worst case” as Derrick Coleman “on his worst day.” This sounds like a guy who could be a steal if he slips, but is risky at the top.
by bwoodsxyz on Mar 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It depends though
Because I’m not sure exactly what Favors projects to be that’s all that favorable (no pun intended). He’s not anything close to Amare because his offensive game is so limited. He’s not Tyson Chandler because he doesn’t have his leaping ability. What exactly is he?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
So what kind of coach and what kind of locker room
do you need to have to maximize someone like Cousins.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Mar 23, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
ok- but to get a top two pick, you are counting on winning the lottery- lol
more likely, we wont- so wall and turner are off the table for this exercise
IF we pick fourth, then we get whoever is left from cousins and favors unless rook uncovers someone else! i prefer a true center over another pf- especially if his skill set seems similar to AB. and we absolutely need one with wet paper towel strong mcgee getting pushed around like a kite. i am less concerned about all the attitude stuff. he is so young and never challenged. i think AB was recovering from a gunshot wound when he was his age! He has the highest PER in college by far and the highest PER of any player over the past few years. i take him because he can play today, has top 5 in the league potential, and plays a position of need that complements the other players on the team with the least amount of overlap. favors sounds great too- but that is the way i would go.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
PER's great and all (though inherently flawed), but there's a reason he only plays 22 minutes a game
And it’s not just because Kentucky is loaded.
Foul trouble is definitely an issue
At the same time, Orton’s probably the best backup in all of college basketball.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
A serious dilemma is right
JaVale McGee is a person who we’ve had commitment and focus issues with and he’s a person that grew up with professional basketball players for parents. I feel like McGee can grow out the way it appears that Blatche is doing. I am not as sure with someone like Cousins, but I stand ready to be convinced otherwise or proven wrong because his physical gifts are something to behold.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Mar 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
B R A I N S
The human brain is still maturing at the ages of McGee and Cousins. I guess the brain is always “maturing,” but it’s well accepted that when we’re of that age we tend to think about our actions as they impact the here and now moreso than the future. As we get a little older we generally develop more focus and responsiblity because we have a more comprehensive understanding of why those things matter.
Every individual is different. But as an example, one possible reason why Blatche has made some strides this season is because he’s actually around that age when that function of our brain that allows us to think more long-term really starts to develop. On the other hand there’s Arenas who at 27/28 still brought guns into the locker room simply as a joke, proving that biology doesn’t always rule.
by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But
In any case, this stuff in my mind is relevant when considering the futures of players like McGee and Cousins. When evaluating players that are widely considered “good kids” at a relatively young age it stands to reason that they’re more likely to remain “good” as they get older. But on the flip side, it’s wrong to assume that because there may be some valid criticisms of the maturity levels of McGee and Cousins right now, they will likely still be like that 5 years from now. With a player like McGee, based on what I know of him, my assumption is his heart is in the right place, and it’s just a matter of time before things start to “click.” With Cousins, I have no idea. That’s something any team considering drafting him should evaluate.
by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand the effort concern. but the fact is almost all players in the nba coast- the season is too long. the question i ask is if this guy will coast in the playoffs. it is a month long season you need him to focus to win a championship. from what i saw, i did not see anything to make me believe this guy cant focus for a month, but i have not seen a lot of KY games.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
re his blocked shots
His block rate ranks in the 60s nationally. That’s about 10 behind favors, and far behind whiteside and aldrich and ed Davis. Still good for a major conference player, but maybe not great. Especially combined with the foul problems.
by bwoodsxyz on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
mcgee blocks shots; that is not why you get him. we need a person who can play center and not get pushed around the lane like a rag doll. that is a glaring need, among others. but it is a hard one to fill. hence, my willingness to overlook some things. do you think favors can do that? i dont think he is projected as such. do you think AB will grow into that role? i am not sure that is what he wants/is willing to do. the top two teams in the east have legitimate big bodied centers and we are not going anywhere until we can beat them. why build for third best in the conference? right now, we would pick fourth today! so walls and turner are out and we are prob left with who is remaining between favors and cousins. all four of those players can help this team. i hope we dont drop lower, though.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
in fact 6 of the top 7 top teams in the league, including the top four in the east, have legitimate centers (CLE, ORL, BOS, ATL, LAL, DAL). we dont have a guy over 252 and neither of them are particular strong for their size. to win, you have to be able to defend and score in the paint. AB can score, but we need a big body on this team that can defend at a min. we are getting killed there. cole aldridge is ranked as the #6 prospect this year (draft express) and is projected to be a role player. cousins is a flip of the coin on how good he becomes, but barring a top 1 or 2 guard prospect, i’d take the flyer because he is unlikely to be a total flop, it is the hardest position to fill, and we will be in the lottery for a couple seasons.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
I would take Cousins over Favors 7 days a week and twice on Sundays
I love these things, Rook. Keep ’em coming!
Cousins is the most talented center to come out of college since Tim Duncan. Everything positive I’ve heard about him is based on facts and on-court performance. Everything negative I’ve heard is spectulation and hearsay. I would take Wall over Cousins for sure, because Wall also has superstar potential, and is a safer bet; but I’d have to think long and hard about who to take with the 2nd pick. Turner could be very good, will probably be good, and almost definitely won’t bust, but it’s very unlikely that he’ll become a 1st team all-nba guy. Cousins seems like he has a pretty good shot at that, and unless he starts pulling guns in the locker room, I can’t think of a floor without adding “bigger and stronger” to someone who is or has been a starter in the NBA.
Meanwhile, Favors doesn’t impress me much at all — if it weren’t for scouts telling us he’s a great pro prospect, I’d be thinking he’s a late first round guy. I trust the pro scouts over my assessment to a degree, but I still wouldn’t take Favors until about the 5th pick (Johnson continues to grow on me).
Javale Mcgee
Will he be anything aside from a dunker? Not sure how to explain it but Wizards fans will know what i mean. I mean on offense, is he just not that good or not involved. Also on defense a huge improvement is needed
When did Kentucky last manage to produce a good center?
Dan Issel was probably the last good one and I am really running my meory bank hard… Rick Robey, Sam Bowie, Mel (Dinner Bell) Turpin, Nazr Mohammed, Jamal Magloire… Help me here!
We forget how hard it is to develop a good NBA center
which is why a lot of them are really power forwards, because of the athleticism needed. In that regard, please note the near-universal critique of Cousins’ weaknesses: his slow lateral footwork, and his lack of leaping ability. Don’t you know that top NBA big men, like Dwight Howard. Amare, or Pau, will be scoring all over this guy with their quickness and hops? That’s not to say that Cousins won’t be able to clog up the middle, but at this point that’s not a future all-star. Of course, as others have noted, Cousins could choose to hone his body and get quicker…but that’s the risk involved in choosing him over superior athletes.
Size over speed
I think Cousins is faster than Brendan, and he seemed to be a pretty good defender. At the center position I’ll take size and strength over speed and leaping ability every time. Can you name one good defensive center that’s not at least 260 lbs? (Camby’s the only one I can think of, and advanced stats say that he’s vastly overrated on defense).
no they wont…that is what javale can learn to guard! cousins complements what we already have- blatche and cousins when they go big against us and blatche and mcgee when they go quick. it is not an either/or.
the cavs have ilgaskus (spelling i know- hes coming back last i heard), shaq, and varejo. and they match up against everyone inside. and will very likely win it this year. they also have lebron and role players. well we will have arenas and (hopefully one day, better role players).
cousins would be a piece to a team- not the only answer. the top four teams in the east all have real centers. and milwaukee might be closing in soon with bogut.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Similar Player - at least defensively
What’s funny is the following could also apply to Demarcus Cousins
Puts in almost no effort at all on the defensive end. Something of a lumbering big man, lacking the foot speed to keep up with quicker post players. Will get beat off the dribble consistently when asked to guard the high post and tends to get out of position when defending the ball when his man chooses to face up. Lacks the lateral quickness to be effective against players than use a lot of spins and fakes in the post. Has no trouble holding position on the block. Does a good job against more physical back to the basket players who can’t take advantage of him physically. Will often find himself on his man’s hip due to his inability to keep up with the post moves of most players. Gets called for a lot of fouls because of how frequently he is forced to recover when he’s beat. Doesn’t show quick hands when contesting shots and isn’t quick enough to be a factor from the weak side. Not going to hedge any screens. Has a tough time getting back to help out in transition, and doesn’t try too hard either.
Other than the “lumbering” part…. this looks and sounds very similar to how Cousins plays defense.
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That seems significantly more negative than your analysis
I’ll have to watch more of him (maybe I’m watching Wall too much). If he’s this lazy on defense then I better understand your concerns. I really haven’t noticed it myself.
Kentucky's the eighth best defensive team in the country
Per KenPom. So obviously Cousins isn’t a liability of Eddy Curry proportions.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Wall, Darius Miller and Eric Bledsoe are terrific defenders. Patterson, while I wouldn’t call him elite, is very good. You’ve already mentioned Daniel Orton, who plays most of the other Center minutes for Kentucky – and he’s a very good defender (for the College ranks). and Cousins DOES block shots… and takes up space on the inside. Very few College Centers have the skills, quickness and/or athleticism to do much against him in the low post.
My evaluation of Cousins defensive abilities has a lot more to do with how I think his physical gifts and skills will translate to the NBA.
Obviously, Cousins is NOT a defensive liability of Eddy Curry proportions in College… however – and let me be VERY CLEAR HERE on my position about Cousins…. He has the potential to be Eddy Curry-like in the NBA…
As a matter of fact, there is no other player in the upcoming Draft that has a higher ceiling, and a lower floor than Cousins… In other words, if he puts his mind to it (loses 15 pounds of baby fat, works on conditioning, drills for quickness, lifts weights, puts in the work) he could become a Franchise player. A Center that a team can build around….
However – he could just as easily turn into the bust of the Draft.
It all depends on his head – and if I were Ernie Grunfeld, and I had the choice between Turner vs. Cousins, or Favors vs. Cousins…. I’d take Turner or Favors…. If Cousins falls much below #5, you have to consider taking him, just based on his upside.
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I just don't see that floor
Worst-case scenario, Cousins becomes a second-unit black-hole type who still scores efficiently and grabs a bunch of rebounds, albeit in limited minutes. In other words, maybe he becomes a taller Leon Powe.
Even if he doesn’t work hard, he’s too talented, loves the game too much and is too good a rebounder to become Eddy Curry.
Besides, the point with UK’s D was to say that Cousins certainly isn’t bad enough to mess it up. I’m aware that UK has some pretty phenomenal defenders all across the floor, but you still build a defense around a big.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Well , OK
Then, let’s look at who he’s played against….
When playing against standard College fare (Morehead State, Miami of Ohio, Cleveland State, etc…) Cousins absolutely dominates. But pit him against better competition, and he’s much less dominating.
Looking at his games against other big man Draft prospects, here’s what he’s done:
Gavin Edwards (16 points, 8 rebounds, 3 blocks) of Connecticut outplayed Cousins (10 points, 10 rebounds, 0 blocks) in their loss to Kentucky. Edwards has a chance to be drafted in round 2 of the 2010 Draft.
Against UNC, Eric Davis (9 points) and Deon Thompson (14 points) continually scored inside – and had Cousins (5 points) in foul trouble. Eric Davis is a projected lottery pick in 2010 and Thompson could be drafted in the second round.
Talented Georgia Sophomore Trey Thompson scored 17 points, and had 13 rebounds. In that game, Thompson continually got inside position on Cousins, and missed a ton of tips and layup attempts. Thompson also shot from the mid-range, and frequently had wide open shots, as Cousins didn’t contest…. Thompson projects as a late first round pick in 2011.
Of the games I watched, those were the only ones I saw where Cousins was matched up against NBA draft quality big men.
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Anyway
I’ll be very interested to see how Cousins plays against Omar Samhan of St. Mary’s , and more particularly against Ekpe Udoh of Baylor. Udoh is a legitimate NBA prospect, with potential to go in the late Lottery this year.
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That's an interesting point about competition
I hadn’t thought about that. I guess we’ll see what he does this weekend.
Only problem: Kentucky is playing Cornell, then either West Virginia or Washington. You’re thinking of Duke’s bracket.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Seems almost like you're picking and choosing there...
Or maybe it was just the luck of the draw. I assume you didn’t see these:
1. He averaged 20 and 8 in two games against’ Vanderbilt’s Ogilvy in 25 minutes per, and Ogilvy is the highest center on the draft board that he’s played against.
2. He had 19 and 8 in 26 minutes against Wake, who has Aminu, Woods (projected as a future 1st rounder), and few other big strong guys inside.
3. In the other game against Georgia, he had 16 and 7 in 25 minutes.
Those are four impressive per-minute performances against strong competition, to match your three less-impressive ones. Also, in the UConn game, Cousins had a double-double in 23 minutes, while Edwards played nearly the entire game. You really feel Gavin outplayed him?
Kentucky’s overall strength of schedule is 62nd, essentially the same as Wall’s (obviously), Turner’s (53rd) and Johnsons (50th). Favors has faced tougher competition overall, but he’s the only one near the top of the draft that can say that.
REG- As a matter of fact, there is no other player in the upcoming Draft that has a higher ceiling, and a lower floor than Cousins…
100% agree. i am high on him because his size/skill combination is the hardest slot to fill. so he is worth the gamble.
and i think having mcgee and cousins competing will bring out the best in both of them. so it is 2 picks in 1- lol
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i strongly suggest you consider cousins in the light of a cousins-blatche-mcgee front court and see how those skill sets can be combined. then add in the fact that cousins will force mcgee to improve. there is no one pushing mcgee. his backup wears a heart monitor on the bench!
by les boulez bomber on Mar 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
These debates are pretty pointless
I always laugh at guys on ESPN who make bold declarations as to who will be stars at the NBA level. It cracks me up whenever Chad Ford, the guy who vehemently supported Darko at #2 and Oden at #1, criticizes a pick on draft night.
I enjoy the back and forth banter, but anyone who is convinced Demarcus Cousins will be a bust, or, conversely, is convinced Demarcus Cousins will be perennial all-star is crazy. Both are very likely. The point is, we have no idea.
If I ran the wizards, my order would be Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors.
by John Park Williams on Mar 22, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
The point is, we have no idea.
True – but also another point is that talking about it is Fun……
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
yes, its lots of fun.
I just think every statement must be classified as pure speculation.
So far, I love what I’ve seen from Cousins and hate what I’ve seen from Favors. But, you love Favors. So, two intelligent basketball minds came to two radically different conclusions about the same player.
I just dont want BulletsForever to stoop to ESPN level where people make authoritative/definitive statements about things no one truly knows. (Not that you do that, but other people on here have.)
I am mostly going to sit out the debates over who to draft. I love Cousins so far. But, he could really suck. I have no idea.
by John Park Williams on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah homer- dont let the banter mislead you. that is the whole point of the discussion board! this is fun. and quite frankly, often the depth of someone’s argument presents itself once they are challenged. for instance, rooks latest comments about the competition he has faced just came out- now- after a bit of banter. to me, it is his strongest argument. and i did not know that. and it definitely softens my conviction for cousins if he does not play well against other big men- not entirely though.
cousins is def a wildcard. even draft express hedged with him as cole aldrich is rated as a better prospect and he declined this year. i know that. i am old school- barring a superstar on the perimeter, build inside out. his real value is the fact that there are very few players entering the draft that can play the true center position from day one and is a consensus top 10 pick that is not a tall, lanky guy you hope does not break something when he runs the floor. i take him on potential, complements our other big men real well, should not be a total bust, the draft gets dicey after this pick (from what i know so far and it is still early), and i strongly believe the competition will help us get the most out of mcgee. so there are many strategic fits.
there is stlll plenty of time to re-assess, but that is where i stand now. but he does have to hold his ground against the other better big men in college. that is why you draft him in the first place. otherwise, get a big body in the second round to fill space. we will see him play a few more times i imagine.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 23, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced of anything
I just don’t think he’s worth risk.
by imperialme on Mar 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what exactly are we risking- lol
we are among the 5 worse teams two full seasons in a row
the only debate is cousins over favors (or vice versa)
and favors plays the 4 and our best prospect plays the same position and is averaging a double double, including 25 points a game and we need a true center on this team for select games, including all games against the best teams in the league
by les boulez bomber on Mar 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're in a position to draft him
Then we’re risking blowing a top 5 pick, thus setting back, even further, the rebuilding process. If we end up drafting closer to 10 and he’s there, then of course we draft him (not that it would happen, I’m just making a point) because that’s an acceptable risk/reward and there’s no one left on the board to compare him with (as far as we know right now). My point is that mishandling a top 5 pick in the NBA is like picking the wrong QB in the NFL. It can drastically and adversely affect your team for years (see Brown, Kwame).
It's simple!!
Dude, this is a no-brainer. If Cousins is there at 3 or 4, you gotta draft him. Pair him
with Mcgee at the 5. Let him go at Dwight and let Dwight go at him, see what turns up!
I agree with Mike…he looks a little like Zack Randolph, who, in fact is a beast. As far as
Favors….ahem…what exactly is it he’s proven in College Basketball? Do it!!!
DraftExpress says Cousins worst case is Derrick Coleman On His Worst Days
I remember Derrick Coleman…. He came out of College heralded as an absolute beast. Almost a lock to become an All-Star NBA player. (and he WAS an All-Star with New Jersey – at least once, I think) Instead he became a locker room cancer…. He put up decent numbers, but he was continually getting fined by every team he ever played for… and eventually, he gained weight, got out of shape, and became injury prone.
For those of you who don’t remember Coleman, here’s some info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Coleman
I respect the opinions of DraftExpress… I think they do an admirable job of really digging into the Draft prospects history, make-up , stats…. and generally I think they know as much about these guys as anyone. Their BEST case scenario for DeMarcus Cousins is “a taller Al Jefferson”…..
So they’re saying Cousins can become a 20-10 guy, but a black hole on Offense and a mediocre (at best) defender
OR
A 20-10 guy, but a lazy player with a questionable attitude , a poor work ethic; and a generally disruptive locker room presence.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
My memory of Derrick Coleman
Is that his reputation coming out of college exceeded his production a little bit. Everyone knew he had a ton of talent, but his production on the court at Cuse didn’t quite match up to his rep (it was still really good, and he looked really impressive catching all those great passes from Sherman Douglas, but he didn’t actually dominate). Here’s a comparison, per 40 minutes:
Coleman (Senior): 20.3 pts, 13.7 rb, 3.3 blks, 3.3 ast, 1.8 stl
Cousins (Freshman): 25.9 pts, 17.2 rb, 3.3 blks, 1.7 ast, 1.6 stl
Favors (Freshman): 17.7 pts, 12.5 rb, 3.0 blks, 1.5 ast, 1.5 stl
Cousins kills Coleman in points and rebounds, and only loses in assists. As a freshman, Coleman’s stats are a joke next to Cousins’. As you said, Coleman had a horrible attitude, and he was still an all-star. If Cousins is truly lazy on defense, then I’d take Turner over him, and maybe even Favors or Johnson, but after that, you can’t pass on this kind of talent.
Random question to anyone who knows
Is Favors kind of like Horford? I remember he didn’t really impress me that much in college either. I thought Noah and Brewer would be better pros.
Is the Draft Lottery the best thing to look forward this season?
I thought after last season it wouldn’t happen again for a long time.
Orakpo!!! Russel Okung next year!
We have young players to evaluate too
Blatche is doing great, McGee is finally getting burn, Livingston and Singleton have come out of nowhere to look like good rotation players. All of those guys and a few others can still get better. That’s just as exciting to me.
The Center Position...
Okay, I’m going to quiet down about Cousins, but before I go, Should the Wizards stand
pat at Center? What are the team’s options at a vital(especially in the East) position.
I’m down with Cousin’s sheer size coming out of school. Not to mention that he can
play offense already and is a good rebounder. I like centers who can play offense. To
me, agility is about as important as sheer athleticism if you’ve got size. What if, what if
he can play passable D? Wouldn’t this be a great opportunity to get a legit NBA center?
As for Favors, I’ll believe he’ll be fine in the NBA, but if you draft him, you’re gonna trade
him or Blatche in a few years. He’s not a center-don’t kid yourself. He’s a PF. Contract
issues soon. By the way, Maybe I view basketball differently, but I used to like Derrick
Coleman. His problem was he had hall of fame talent, but was too lazy and indifferent
to capitalize on it. For a while, he was still a heck of a player IMHO. Okay, I’m out now!!

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