Wizards lose to Nuggets: Final wrap, where I step off the ledge a bit
I jumped the gun a bit yesterday after the loss to the Nuggets. Now that I've had a day to calm down, a few things I want to say:
- No, the Wizards aren't tanking, at least not in the traditional sense. I shouldn't have implied it as much as I did.
- Yes, the decision to play Earl Boykins instead of Randy Foye and Shaun Livingston in a close, winnable game (and not take him out when things went south) was questionable, to say the least. In lieu of an explanation about Livingston's knee (which was what I was getting at with the "screw the knee" comment, but it came out very, very wrong), you have to wonder why he wasn't in the game.
- Regarding Livingston: the one positive to that ill-fated comment ("screw the knee") is that there was an interesting discussion that resulted about how much Livingston should be playing at this point. There were a lot of good points made by both sides. Personally, I think that if Livingston's knee is a problem, Flip Saunders should say so. I didn't hear that, so I assumed he was taken out for a purely basketball reason, in which case, you have to wonder about the rationality of that decision.
To defend Flip Saunders for a second, I really do think he's in a quandary with his point guards. Last night's game illustrated the issue with bringing Randy Foye off the bench. It's safe to say that the Wizards' best chance of winning now is getting Andray Blatche touches, and Livingston does that far better than Foye. Blatche had 17 points in the 18 minutes that Livingston played and just six in the 18 minutes Foye played (he had two points when they both were in at the same time). As a team, the Wizards had seven assists in Livingston's 18 minutes and only three in Foye's 18 minutes (again, with one assist with both in the game). Those are incomplete stats, but they illustrate the larger point: more people get involved when Livingston plays than when Foye plays, especially when Foye is reduced to being the requisite bench scorer.
Flip's therefore stuck. He could start Foye, but Foye won't get everyone involved like Livingston. Or, he could bring Foye off the bench, but he then essentially encourages Foye's gunning mentality. It's a tough call. Then, there's the unspoken reality that Livingston's probably got more of a future here than Foye. Both are free agents, but Foye will be more expensive and hasn't exactly been a world-beater in either of his roles. Assuming the Wizards want Livingston over Foye, you then have to weigh whether it's more valuable to give Livingston more time to show his stuff or give him less time so he doesn't get hurt again.
No matter what, though, playing Boykins in the fourth quarter was not a good call, unless Flip just wanted to give his main guys a breather from their five-in-six stretch. Boykins is like Foye, but way worse. Foye at least possesses the ability to set people up, if not the mentality. Boykins possesses neither the ability nor the mentality. There were several plays where Boykins backed it out to try to dump it into the post, but was incapable of completing the play. He literally couldn't throw an entry pass.
I thought this line from Denver Stiffs was appropriate with Boykins.
Boykins remains as one of the NBA's all-time enigmas. On the one hand, he's a fascinating, inspirational story. On the other, he's a total ball hog and you'll never win with Boykins on your team.
Probably a little harsh, but it's true - Boykins does hog the ball a lot.
What else? Really, it's hard to fault the Wizards because the fifth game in six days is brutal. That's all I got a day later. Let's get to the stats.
Four Factors (Bold=very good | Italics=very bad)
| Team | Pace | Off Eff | eFG% | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr |
| Washington | 92 | 92.6 | 46.2 | 33.3 | 29.3 | 17.4 |
| Denver |
105.4 | 52.7 | 35.6 | 22.2 | 17.4 |
Snap reaction: No offense.
Lineup Details, via Popcorn Machine
- Highest individual plus/minus: Shaun Livingston (+5 in 18:48)
- Lowest individual plus/minus: Al Thornton (-16 in 26:36)
- Best five-man unit: Shaun Livingston/Mike Miller/Al Thornton/Andray Blatche/JaVale McGee (+5 to start the game)
- Worst five-man unit: Earl Boykins/Mike Miller/Alonzo Gee/Al Thornton/James Singleton (-8 in a closing stretch)
Snap Reaction: That is one funky lineup to close the game, though it should be noted that Andray Blatche was out with his ankle injury.
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If Livingston wasn't held out for medical reasons
then it was stage five tanking. Plain and simple. And I question whether it was for medical reasons because if Livingston has an upper limit of minutes he can play, why would you use all of them in the first half?
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 17, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
Foye
Foye needs to work off the ball, or at least initiate the offense and then turn into an outlet/secondary scorer. If he is initiating then he is shooting most of the time. I wouldn’t moind seeing he and Livingston on the floor together for that reason.
Flip helped Chauncey great by making him the outlet for most of their isolation plays. The 2nd option on Flip’s plays gets a lot of shots. Foye just needs to settle into that role to be the most effective and least detrimental.
I think you would sell a lot more
“Screw the Knee” t-shirts than “Big Game James” t-shirts.
i dont think they will tank but i sure hope they dont win many games at this point. lets get a lucky ball and someone to start building around (complement blatche). it would be nice if we could pick up one cornerstone piece in this year’s draft- esp if it is a real center
by les boulez bomber on Mar 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
i don't think they make 'real centers' anymore
i don’t follow college b’ball much, but it seems the top players are predominantly smallish forwards or combo guards
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Mar 18, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not seeing exaclty what your apologizing for
I would be rightly pissed off as well except im in the pro tank tank. I am not letting the Wizards effect me till after March Madness and I have no other way to distract myself
I have been trying to explain how Boykins caused maybe 10-13 close games to not so close ones by him simply being in the game.
Then I would get flamed because people would say it’s more than Boykins and Boykins was +. I really don’t give a shit about a + I actually started writing down the scores before and after Boykins was inserted and in nearly ever close game or leading game occasion after Boykins played PG the scored was ALWAYS reflective of a 6-11 point deficit. I had that written down for 8 games that we could have won! That’s crazy that’s like a different record. There’s so many wrong things with this team. And to me I almost wish Eddie Jordon never got fired, we never traded our stars, and Arenas never got suspended, we traded the losers kept Singleton, Thorton, and Howard never got injured. Traded Foye. And looked to get Bosch as a replacement for Haywood. Kept Stevenson for swagger purposes in lou of the awful extremely scared to shoot but yet awesome and intelligent Miller. And finally got rid of the season drowning Boykins. And finally maybe picked up a good trade prospect. Oh and never passed up on Blair.
Amen.
by Unxpekted on Mar 18, 2010 3:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry for the mispells I posted this off my iphizzle
by Unxpekted on Mar 18, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That quote
on Boykins sums up my thoughts on him since the beginning of the season. I hated when he took minutes from Arenas, I hated when he took them from Foye, and I hate it when he takes them from Livingston. I think Flip knows a lot more about basketball than I ever will, but I can not for the life of me understand his fascination with Boykins. It has been apparent to me all along that the guy does more harm than good. Truthfully, though, I wouldn’t say he’s a ball hog. I just don’t think he has the ability to get the ball to the open man. And it’s not just his height (although that’s the main reason). He’s just not a real point guard. It’s the same with Foye. They’re both shooting guards in point guard bodies, only Foye can at least see enough over a defender’s outstretched hand to not get trapped in a corner on almost every possession. Boykins knows his best option on getting rid of the ball is to get it to the basket. I just don’t understand why Flip doesn’t realize this.
As for the Foye/Livingston conundrum, I would like to see Flip try starting Foye at the 2. Mike Miller has been struggling for the most part lately. I don’t think he mixes well with this new team. Why not see if Foye can operate at shooting guard with Livingston setting him up, and let Miller come in with a “gunning” mentality?
I get the feeling
that even if Flip told Miller that we needed him to come out blazing from the bench, Miller still wouldn’t take his shots.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 18, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Boykins as a Nugget
He was a model citizen, a positive force in the locker room and well-liked in the community. But for Nugs fans he’s often a frustrating reminder of the hopeless sideshow our team was for so long. He really was a nice guy and I hate talking bad about Earl. I thought it said a lot about him when he opted out of $3 mil with the Bucks, then ended up only getting minimum 1 year offers he wouldn’t sign out of principle leading to an ill-fated stint in Europe. He just wasn’t a PG, he was famously bad in the playoffs and while I feel like a douche I agree with everything Andrew said on Denver Stiffs as a fellow Nugs fan.

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