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I'm moved in to my new place, but the Internet's still spotty until this afternoon. For now, read this post from Kyle about Shaun Livingston's game on Saturday. Maybe it's time to make a lineup change, I don't know.

Also see Kyle's photo gallery of Livingston.

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The time has been long overdue

since there is no reason to be giving big minutes to Miller and Foye anymore. The team needs to know if they have replacements for them on the team already. Livingston and Young should be given majority minutes. I’d also like to see more of Gee. Wins mean nothing at this point(and haven’t for awhile), trying to find out who is going to be part of the future of this team should be Flip’s main concern.

by Mike Uhrich on Mar 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

5-year contract

And I’m not even kidding. If he’s healthy, and he appears to be, this guy is a ridiculous talent. Sign him for as long as we can – at a reasonable price. If we can get him to a Blatche-sized deal, and he realizes half his potential, it’s a steal.

The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.

by mamemimo on Mar 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ll gladly take him at 5 years $15-20 mil.

by jones-y on Mar 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's way, way too much

I need a larger body of work to give him a five-year contract, especially with his knees.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're probably right...

I just want a contract that’s not gonna end with the wiz losing him to a higher bidder in 2 years.

by jones-y on Mar 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree ...

But in any case, a ‘thumbs up for Grunfeld’ might be in order.

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by Kyle Weidie on Mar 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Blatche-sized money is exactly what we should do. I’d ideally like 4-5 years at around $2.5 mil/year. That’s small enough money not to be a major burden on our cap room if things go poorly, and if he blows up, it puts us in an outstanding position.

by sierradave on Mar 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Wizards need to take it easy on Livingston

The kid has talent, everyone knows that. The question is whether his body will hold up. It’s no surprise that he can put up a 18 point, 8 assist game. But how does his knee feel after 30 minutes? How will it feel after tonight’s game if he gets 20+ minutes? Long term, how many minutes per game will he be able to play without physical set-backs, needing time off from practice, etc. If he starts missing practice, how effective will he be on the court? This all remains to be seen.

Talent isn’t a question for a lot of basketball players. It’s how their bodies hold up to the rigors of an NBA season. Flip holds this kid’s future in his hands — he needs to be careful in how many minutes a game he gives him.

By the way, the fact that two PGs signed off the street have stolen time from the PG that Grunfeld used the #5 pick in the draft to trade for should be the final nail in Grunfeld’s coffin as Wizards’ GM.

by disgrunted on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Well....

I’m not sure Foye was exactly “envisioned” as a point-guard, rather than a complimentary player who could fill multiple roles.

Sometimes we have to remember the fact that Foye, as starting PG, has been forced into a role not suited for him. That being said, he’s been badly inconsistent in most other roles too.

I think Livingston’s minutes will be fine. Also remember, the Wizards are in the position where everyone will be playing for the rest of the season, not in the position of figuring an 8 or 9 man rotation for the playoffs.

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by Kyle Weidie on Mar 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he starts missing practice, how effective will he be on the court?

I’d counter that by asking how many practices he’s participated in… He was effective the moment he suited up. And that’s the thing. He plays with his brain; he’s not reliant on athleticism to be effective. As far as the knee goes, yes its a concern. That’s why you play him 25mpg for the remaining games and see how it holds up. But the thinking has to be that he’s perfect as a 15mpg backup.

As to your ‘by the way,’ yes it was a bad move in hindsight, but nobody could have known our starting PG would be gone after 32 games and our third string PG wouldn’t play a single minute. As it was, the expectation was that Foye would play 15-20 mpg, including playing PG for the 8-10 minutes Gil wasn’t in the game. In that role, Foye is an absolute fit. As a starting PG, not so much.

by jones-y on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

If Grunfeld traded the #5 pick in the draft

for a guy he envisioned would at best play 15-20 mpg, then he should be fired on that basis alone.

by disgrunted on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Well the #5 pick in the draft has played zero minutes in total. I dunno, sounds like a lose lose to me…

by jones-y on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny

but true. Unfortunately, I too am not so sure that both of those guys come back next year, and since neither is worthy of the #5 pick on his own, we will once again end up fleeced in the end. Especially if (when) Rubio is over here flopping his hair around to the tune of 22 assists.

As for Livingston, I definitely advocate giving him more time with the starters. If we think we have been lucky enough to have found our point guard of the future (or at least a viable back-up), then we should find out as soon as possible.

by CJHutch on Mar 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

In hindsight

That trade is very unfortunate. But I think Grunfeld’s real mistake was not realizing long ago that the team as he had constructed it (around the Big Three) had real limitations. He kept waiting for them to have their chance healthy on the court together. In that context, I can understand trading the 5 pick for Miller/Foye. Given the decision to trade the pick and go “all-in” I don’t think the trade was bad.

But boy was he wrong about Arenas-Jamison-Butler. I certainly had high hopes in those three, but I’m also not around the organization on a day to day basis. Grunfeld was, and he should’ve been able to figure out that the best days of the Big Three were in the past. And thus, the trade shouldn’t have happened.

by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure that realization was his to make.

GMs often act within the framework and vision set by the owner. I’m not so sure he could’ve gotten out of the ‘big 3’ even if he had wanted to.

by jones-y on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree. i think abe realized his health was not going to last for another rebuilding effort and paid up to see how good they could be.

by les boulez bomber on Mar 15, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's natural point

We can’t deny it, and he has shown the flashes of it! I replayed the the play in the Orlando game over and over of him making a pass to MM! He passed it to a spot at least 10 feet from where MM was! To where he was GOING TO BE! He couldn’t have even seen where he was coming around the picks! When MM got there the ball was sitting pretty for an open three! White Boy For Three!!!
He has great vision!
I am so scared when I watch him run though, I swear I see that limp! Then I envision his knee exploding!
I don’t think he needs a 5 year deal from us!

by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

How about one year at $3.5 million with a team option....

Offered at the end of the season, and assuming he holds up the rest of the way. This guy just may be the steal of the century,

by khrabb on Mar 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about two years for $4.5 million, with a two-year team option

It’s not like teams are knocking this guy’s door down. Something like $2.0 and $2.5 with options at $3.0 and $3.5. He would go for that, wouldn’t he? The Wizards shouldn’t gamble more than that on a guy who’s never really proven himself and has a ticking time-bomb for a knee. And this way if the gamble pays off, the Wizards get more than the one extra year of service out of it.

by steadyhand on Mar 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a keeper

I got to watch the Orlando game and Shaun Livingston was great.
Pair his size and vision with GA’s scoring and that’s a great backcourt where SL defends the opponent’s bigger guard. What a gamble on both of their knees. SInce we always seem to have bad luck with knees (add josh howard)… I dunno

I like the Bullets

by K-Bro on Mar 15, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

COME ON!

The guy has ONE good game and we’re handing out 5 year contracts.

A little perspective (and patience) people!

by MR on Mar 15, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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