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by MJ5 on Mar 13, 2010 12:34 AM EST
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PrintIf somehow the Wizards do void Arena's contract what do they do with the money? They will not attract any big name free agent and they are rebuilding. I have no idea how they can rebuild and use the money well. If they sign some okay veterans, they will at best be again an eigth seed. They will not be successful that way. What would you do with the money along with the expiings?
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i would trade Blatche and lots of Cap Room and Money for Even Turners or Cusins rights if we land John Wall
why in the world are people talking about trading Blatche
have you watched him play? this must be a joke. Dude is already better than Antawn “No D, bad shots” jamison. Why trade a guy we spent 5 years developing into the BALLER he is right now for another project?? please explain why you want to trade Blatche. Do you realize he is still only 23-24???
Plus, it's not even like he'll age poorly or something
He’s not really that reliant on being the quickest or most explosive guy out there. I hate to be this morbid or something, but he’s one of the few young bigs out there who wouldn’t lose much if he got one of the typical Wizard injuries.
by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 13, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
What if someone offered us Even Turners rights for Blatche and Cap room …. i really like 7 day Bullet Proff Dre …but this team is going to get another Big time shake up this off season its in the air.. i can feel it … just like Teddy did with the Capitals when they sent that up and coming dude to the rangers for picks
I'm telling you, we're going to wind up trading him for Rip Hamilton
It’s the Wizards/Bullets Way.
by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 13, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's not even funny
Unless you are not a Bullets fan.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Mar 16, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade
Pinpoint teams that are hemorrhaging money and trade our cap space for a great player. See what it would take to get Chris Paul from New Orleans as one example.
maybe
trade Arenas and expiring contracts for Paul
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
What you do in a rebuilding situation with lots of cap space
is to either facilitate trades for teams over the salary cap, or make straight up trades where you take on bad contracts, with your objective in either situation being to get back picks and/or prospects in the deal.
I have no idea what the Wizaerds will do if Arena's contract does not get voided
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
obviously they'll play him
and pay him
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Well you'd better get used to the idea
If he goes to jail, they might be able to void his contract. But he would have to be in jail during a time when he would otherwise be playing, and since he’s suspended until late October next year, there’s a good chance that won’t happen. Even if it does, voiding will still be very very tough if the Wizards even try for it.
I would think we allow next season to develop our young guys, then...
I say we aim for the 2011 free agent class. We have some locals like Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony. Durant may be ready for a bigger city by then. Melo has it good in Denver but you never know. Battier, Noah, and Marc Gasol are also quality 2011 free agents.
They will not attract any big name free agent and they are rebuilding.
I think this is an idea that is perpetuated alot more by our own fanbase than anyone else. There are two huuuuuuuuuuge if’s but IIIF we somehow void gilbert and IIIF we somehow pick up John Wall in the draft I think we not only become players in the Lebron sweepstakes we become the instant favorites.
The trio of wall, blatche, and mcgee would give them one of the top young trio’s the league has ever seen. Add in Lebron and a resigned Mike Miller (good friends with Lebron, killer 3 point shooter) and I would put that 5 up against any in the league.
More realistically though… if they do find a way to void Gilbert I wouldnt at all be surprised to see them actually pick up Josh Howard’s team option. Without Gil we would only have 4 players and 10M on the books, picking up Howards option not only gives them a starting quality player but nearly a “placeholder” for next years FA class. With that much cap room and that few players I would be really afraid of them going out and making some of the same mistakes the pistons made last year.
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I am starting to think
Turner would do more for us that Wall. They are both dynamic players, but Turner seems to have a better all around game.
And, while either one of those guys would look good on the floor with Blatche, I think McGee should be on the bench when the game starts (and in crunchtime). Look, I was enamored with him too, but I am starting to believe that he is not going to be as good as we had hoped in the beginning. Sure, he makes plenty of highlight reel plays, but that’s it. If you take away the 4-5 WOW’ plays he has a game, he would be a D-leaguer at best.
Lets bust out the way back machine and take a look at a quote from one of the most influential sports movies of our time… the mighty ducks
Clang! Hits the post.
We lost in overtime.
A quarter of an inch this way and it would have gone in.
A quarter of an inch, Charlie.
Yeah, but a quarter inch the other way and you’d have missed completely.
I never thought of it that way.
First let me join the rest of you and question where the hell that came from… even I dont know.
I think most people here are viewing Javale as that shot that hit the post and are thinking the worst, that his shot is eventually miss the goal entirely. Look at it the otherway… this guy improves his on-man defense, continues to develop, and turns that 4-5 into 5-6 WOW plays a game and we’ve got an all star on our hands. Look at the Atlanta game, you put a ball somewhere near the rim and J’Avatar is gonna throw it down.
I hate the idea of keeping Javale on the bench, especially during a season like this when we have nothing to play for. We’ve all seen how he reacts to limited playing time… he forces up shots and pisses away opportunities because he doesnt know when he might get the next one. Let him play and let him keep developing.
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by dt3 on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I see no reason to keep McGee on the bench. But none of your points seem hold much weight in my book. First of all, his “on-man defense” has no chance of improving until he makes a serious commitment to the weight room. And, truthfully, I don’t see that helping anytime soon unless he starts using Mark McGuire’s trainer. As for the extra 1 or 2 WOW plays, I could do without them on a regular basis. I mean, is there any chance we ever see a productive game out of him that doesn’t contain a highlight clip? It seems to be either boom or bust with the guy. I want to see him counter a guy’s counter move. If he’s not dunking, his shots on offense are so easy to block he may as well ask for gratuity when he serves them up. Yet another result of him weighing less that my four year old.
I believe you have your Wizards colored glasses on
if you think Lebron would sign in DC. He would pass up his hometown team who has built a team around him and can pay him more, pass up NYC with it’s much larger market and much larger endorsement contracts to go to a city and a team he has obviously taken a dislike to so that he can play with some rookies and young guys who are just starting to develop.
by MR on Mar 15, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Miami
Who can offer Sun, warm weather, D-Wade and Beasley, Enough cap room to sign LeBron AND another mid-level Free Agent, No State Taxes, and South Beach.
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ok rooks got a point… ill put miami over DC but will refuse to concede to cleveland or NY.
cleveland – The team they have built around him is 1) not that good 2) now handcuffed with the horrible Jamison contract. If they dont do it this year they will never do it. Sure they can offer him more money (and years) but I dont think its enough money to make a difference. Pennys in a bucket.
New York – If they can get someone else (gay, bosh) to bite first maybe but otherwise just dont see it. Biggest Market or not I dont think Lebron wants to be another 1 man team.
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what r u smoking?
cleveland – The team they have built around him is 1) not that good
Now exactly, what part of Best record in the NBA is “not that good”?
Now besides the fact that it’s his hometown where everyone loves him and besides the fact that it’s Cleveland that can and will lure the big names to play with LeCrab both next year when Shaq comes off the books and in 2012 when Jamison comes off. why would he come to DC over that?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
what part of Best record in the NBA is "not that good"?
everyone not named lebron… not that good… you could put lebron on a team with the WCAC all stars and they would still pull off a 7th or 8th seed.
it’s his hometown where everyone loves him… Cleveland can and will lure the big names
its lebron james… where does he go that he isnt loved??
So people keep on talking about how DC isnt a big enough market to draw in big stars but people are going to go running for Cleveland… what the?? Cleveland is a dump.
when Shaq comes off the books
when shaq comes off the books they are still gonna be 10-15M over the cap
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you still don't make sense
on point 1:
everyone not named lebron… not that good, what does that even mean? They are beating just about everyone now that Jamison is settled in and that’s without Shaq. A preview of their 2010 team with a developing JJ Hicks?
point 2: Cleveland is truly a dump, but it’s his dump.
point 3: apparently they don’t mind paying the luxury tax. Besides he’s got a player option next year and could restructure a long-term deal to give them room to get another FA.
point not made: If they don’t make it to the finals, all bets are off and he could easily be gone. but not to DC when he could play w Wade in Miami, etc…
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
more coffee just came out of my nose
gotta switch to beer. is it happy hour yet?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
really one of the best young trios the league has ever seen
really McGee is not consistent, does not have have an offensive game
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
coffee came out of my nose when I read that
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
ok best may have been a stretch… I would love to see you list a core of 3 players (all under 24) that had more athletic ability and potential though
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That's one
There’s also whatever combination of Evans/Casspi/Hawes/Thompson/Greene in Sacramento, Rose/Noah/Gibson in Chicago and Gasol/Gay/Mayo in Memphis.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
also new jersey
lee, douglas-roberts, williams, lopez, jianlian, maybe devin harris i dont think so tho
and remember he said
best young trios the league has ever seen
Not sure if they were all under 25, but they were all young and all played together a long time.
Jordan, Pippen, Rodman
West, Baylor, Chamberlain
Bird, McHale, Parrish
Jabbar, Johnson, Worthy
Hardaway, Mullin, Richmond
Shaq, Kobe and Fish
Duncan, Parker, Ginobli
Kidd, Carter, Jefferson
Billups, Hamilton, Prince
Erving, Malone, Cheeks
I’m sure there are many more better than our unproven trio too but maybe they don’t count though cuz he wasn’t playing fantasy bball yet?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
happy to see you found some free time…
again I apologized/tried to clarify my thoughts above but you are completely missing my point with some of these. Rodman didnt even get to the bulls til he was 34, No member of runTMC was in the league before they were 22 and Mullin was 26 by the time all 3 were together, Kidd was 31 when they picked up Vince Carter.
Would I trade any of those trio’s for wall/blatche/mcgee (IIIIF we luck out and get Wall)?? Of course not… but you have to admit picking up 3 players with that much athletic potential at the ages of 20,22, and 24 would be something special.
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had a lunch break
but I have you to run down the details. LOL. OK, so a couple of those trios weren’t as young…so what? I don’t think you get the point. The point being McGee is unproven and Wall hasn’t played one minute yet in the NBA.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Devin's older than 24
The only good player in that group of Nets is Lopez. Lee’s 25 I believe.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I WAS WRONG
Sorry… i get kinda caught up/blinded in trying to defend myself at times. I underestimated how young some of the other trios in the league still are (namely OKC and Memphis).
I still stand by my statement that IIIIIF we somehow pick up wall that wall, blatche, mcgee could give any other 3 a run for their money but the words “best” and “ever” should have never been mentioned, sometimes the fingers start typing faster than the mind can realize how stupid you sound.
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I'm sure there are a few
but I don’t have as much free time as you apparently.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
we need joe johnson
second tier FA… starting lineup next year PG John Wall, SG Joe Johnson, SF Al Thornton, PF Andray Blatche C Javale or a draft pick.. i feel like thats a team that could contend… probably not next year but within 3 years… johnsons 28, a little old but with his shot and skill set he should remain effective offensively for at least 5 or 6 years… not completely sold on McGee at all but we should keep him around simply because of potential… obviously if we dont get Wall then Evan Turner or trade down
What makes you think Joe Johnson would sign here?
And besides that, this offseason is not a good time to sign a FA to a large contract.
i think joe might sign here
as long as we offered him a great deal… i agree this isnt the best offseason to go after someone, but at the same time he isn’t the big ticket guy like lebron, d-wade, chris bosh so we might be able to get him for a decent amount… this would only be possible if gil’s contract is voided and we don’t resign miller, foye, howard, etc.
as long as we offered him a great deal…
translated = over pay him… with that being said I wouldnt mind us seeing sign him as long as the price was right
this would only be possible if gil’s contract is voided and we don’t resign miller, foye, howard, etc.
not true… IIIIIIF they void Gil they would have tons of flexibility. With only 4 players (thornton, young, blatche, mcgee) and 10 million salary on the books they could sign JJ (or any other top FA) and still have room to possibly bring back 2 of those 3.
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False
We can sign a max guy even with Gil’s contract situation.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
what was false??
agreed… dont think I said anything to the contrary… I was just pointing out that w/o Gil we could sign a max free agent AND more (resigning our own FAs and/or other FA)
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I was responding to this specifically
IIIIIIF they void Gil they would have tons of flexibility.
The flexibility already exists.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Actually
if they void Arenas’ contract , they may be in a bit of a problem….. There’s no possible way the Polins will want to spend all that extra cash on big name free agents…. and this Free Agent class is probably not the one to spend money on…. but a Team simply cannot go into a season being $25-30 million UNDER the salary cap….
I’m not sure, but isn’t there a minimum salary floor (as well as a cap?)?
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f they void Arenas’ contract , they may be in a bit of a problem
Are you for real? Best case scenario for the Wizards is that they get to void his contract. They dont have to sign any big name guys right now…They should sign some solid role players and when the time comes lock up Dray to a multi year deal. It never hurts to have some room to work with…especially when the guy is injury prone…not to mention his legal problems.
Rook's saying they'd have issues getting above the minimum salary threshold
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'll over my services for one year and $10 mil
Getting over the floor is never a problem.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 17, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
But at the same time, it is worth asking ourselves this – if we have to get over the floor anyway, why not just do it with Gilbert?
I’m not sure the answer to that question but it’s a legit question.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I've never been good with the CBA
but can we extend Blatche’s contract now? We could save money long term by paying him more the next two years. Obviously, this might not be an option with the ownership issues, but I’m wondering if it’s feasible under the CBA.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Mar 17, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we can't
We can work out an extension agreement and have it take effect by 2012, I believe.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
maybe i am misinterperting you but I dont think we could do what I think you are proposing… We couldnt sign him to an NFL style deal where players make alot of money in years 1 + 2 to cover the low salaries they see in years 3+4.
While I dont know the numbers the league restricts player salaries from increasing/decreasing more than a set amount each year.
Thats why I think we need to make sure to sign a high $ free agent before blatche’s contract comes up. I would rather get back over the cap then use his bird rights to give him a big deal rather than having him push us over the cap.
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I believe it's 10.5% of the original salary each year
While I dont know the numbers the league restricts player salaries from increasing/decreasing more than a set amount each year.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
overkill
the salary floor would not really be an issue… I dont have an exact number but looking at previous years it should be somewhere around 40M.
We would have 4 under contract (young, thornton, blatche, mcgee) totaling around 10. We pick up Josh Howards player option which would bring us up to around 5/22. A top 10 pick would bring us up to 6/25 and leave us with 6 roster spots to take up 15 million.
I would rather overpay a random vet (or two) 250-500K extra to meet the salary floor than (essentially) resigning a non top 10 player to a 4 year 80 million contract.
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by dt3 on Mar 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
because we are paying him an absurd amount of money over the next four years…like the guy below said i would rather overpay a random vet to meet the salary floor.
I'd rather pay Gilbert
You overpay guys like him, not random seventh men.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
apples and oranges
how can you compare sliding a veteran bench player a couple 100K to essentially signing Gilbert to a 4year $80M contract??
leave us with 6 roster spots to take up 15 million.
in a league where the average salary is +5M this wouldnt be difficult at all
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An extra 100k?
That doesn’t help much in getting to the minimum salary floor.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
“a couple 100K”… unless we plan on playing the season with 7 players we dont need a lot of help.
If we 1) pick up howards option 2) resign a few of our guys (miller, livingston) 3) Go out and pick up some vets at a decent price (matt barnes, brad miller, dfish) we can total up to 43M reaal quick.
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okay then
We can agree to disagree. Id rather have a solid role player and cap room to sign a star player.
They DO have cap room to sign a star
they just can’t sign TWO stars….
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and I was responding specifically to this
this would only be possible if gil’s contract is voided and we don’t resign miller, foye, howard, etc.
I never questioned what would/could happen if we kept to Gilbert. My only point was correcting him that in the situation he laid out we could go after a big FA and resign our own guys.
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Too many teams with cap room
He rejected a 4 year/60 million dollar deal before the year and he’s not even worth that for us.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
This year
too many real teams will be competing for the real players. Anyone we would attract would have to be offered a premium to come to an uncertain, rebuilding situation.
We should keep our powder dry, use the trading benefits of being under the cap for a little while and then shoot for a big free agent in a year or two.
by MR on Mar 15, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i see the logic
i didnt know he rejected a 4 year 60 mil deal… thats the high end of what we should offer him so maybe he isnt the best option… in that case rebuild through the draft and younger/cheaper FAs, but keep livingston and gee around i could see both of them emerging as quality role players
A few things I think the Wizards have to do
I think the wizards could trade Arenas to the Raptors for Jarret Jack, Jose Calderone, and a first round pick. The Raptors would do this because they need to convince Bosh to stay. He wants to win and if Arenas is there, the Raptors are a contender. Bosh would want to stay if he was paired with a superstar like Arenas. No matter how well Arenas plays, the Wizards need to get rid of him. They need to start new and getting rid of Arenas allows them to completely rebuild. They could draft Evan Turner and then resign Josh Howard and sign Tyrus Thomas. They draft a big with the Raptor’s pick. Then I think they have to hire someone like Hakeem Olajuawan, Chris Webber, or some big man coach who can help Blatche and McGee on their offense and defense and mentor them. Hakeem mentored Yao Ming and Yao improved a lot. I think it was Kareem who mentored Bynum and he really helped him develop an offensive game. Also I think the Wizards should give McGee an ultimatium this offseason, bulk up in the gym, so you can handle yourself inside, or take a bench role and let Thomas be the starter.
So their lineup
Calderon
Evan Turner
Josh Howard
Blatche
Thomas or Mcgee
sixth man Al Thorton
role players
Tyrus Thomas or Mcgee
jarret Jack
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
I don't like that team very much
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yeah - that's a team fighting for a playoff berth for the next 4 years.
Why not keep Arenas:
PG: Arenas / Livingston
Draft Evan Turner (OR sign a mid-level Free Agent like Josh Childress) / Young
Josh Howard / Al Thornton
Blatche / Singleton
McGee / Draft pick
Draft a Center (either with the Wizards pick, if they didn’t get Even Turner, or with the Cleveland pick, if they did)
Sign another veteran big (Rasho Nesterovic or someone like him)
Resign Singleton
Resign Mike Miller if he’ll stay.
Resign Howard for nothing more than a 3-year deal for the MLE.
Resign Foye – but only as the backup SG, playing along side Livingston (give up on the Foye as PG experiment)
That team won’t be a championship team, but it will be under the cap…. and one more lottery pick, or a good trade or Free Agent pick -up and it could be a very good team.
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Great
With any luck we’ll be almost as good as we were a few years ago
by MR on Mar 16, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Raptors would be dumb to accept that trade. Washington already proved you cant win with a point gaurd and power forward that are semi-retarded on the defensive end of the floor but great scorers.
Calderon cant play any defense either…but overall i like his game better than Arenas…i just cant stand his ratface.
Bosh is a good defender
and i am sure even though Arenas is a bad defender, he is better than Calderone. Also this would make Raptors contenders. superstar power forward and superstar center. Plus hedo can take the passing pressure off Arenas. Demar Derozan will get a lot better. Bargnani is becoming a good center. He will probably be able to average 7 rebounds. he is a good defender and a great shooter and scorer.
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
lol
Bargnani is not a superstar center. Gilbert is no longer a superstar point gaurd.
And no, I dont think Arenas is a better defender than Calderon. Plus Calderon is a better fit for the Raps. He is a great distributor(much better than Gil) and as good of a spot up shooter as Gil is. Turkoglu needs his shots, Bosh needs his shots, Bargs is a shooter, Jack comes off the bench and is more of a scoring point, Bellinelli is a shooter, etc. I just dont think Bryan Colangelo is looking for a player like Gil. He doesnt fit into what is going on up there.
Jack starts I believe
Precisely because Calderon isn’t a good off-ball player.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Nevermind, I guess they flipped it
Regardless, Jose isn’t a good off-ball player, which is why Jack started for so long.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
i also think they should keep Livingston
He has a lot of potential still. Potential is good for a rebuilding team.
"Who Wants some pudding pops?, delicious and nutritious!
livingston's injury
was a once-off, horrific accident that he took plenty of time off to repair… im not sure it still affects him or poses a greater risk of re-injury down the line… ive had some tendon and ligament tears in the knee and as long as rehabbed correctly my knee actually feels stronger long-term… obviously can’t speak for him but he looks bouncy
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