For weeks we've assumed that Antawn Jamison is the Wizard most likely to be moved, but that's not true, according to GMs who have had conversations with the Wizards. They say the team is reluctant to move Jamison, a franchise cornerstone.
Butler, on the other hand, is very much available, and the Wizards shouldn't have much trouble finding interest: Butler has only one year remaining on his contract and he can still play, at age 29 (he turns 30 on March 13).
One issue that could slow negotiations is the fact that the Wizards don't want to just give Butler away; they want both cap relief and a young asset. But that might be a heavy price in this market.
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Jamison could be the cornerstone of a franchise....
….its just that any franchise that has Jamison as it’s cornerstone isn’t going to be a good one. Blow it up. Cap relief and/or young prospects. Make it happen.
Let's wait and see
I’m not sure there’s another team that’s really interested in Jamison beyond the Cavs. If the Cavs are hoping to only offer an expiring contract (without Hickson), then it makes sense for the Wizards to label Jamison as the “cornerstone” of the team (while also making it clear that every player is available “for the right price”).
That said, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Grunfeld decided to hold on to Jamison, even if the Cavs offer something legit in return.
i.e.
It’s a way to push for more, assuming that the Cavs are freaked that their team isn’t the clear favorite to win the championship, and LBJ departs if they don’t win.
Again, we’ll have to wait and see.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I get that
But there’s a major risk, which is that Cleveland is first in the league right now. They have every right to think their mix is fine as is.
I think we’re misunderstanding our position of strength.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yeah but
The Cavs were first in the league last year right? Not sure how competitive the East is right now, but are the Cavs good enough to beat the Lakers? Perhaps, but I don’t give ‘em better than a 50-50 chance, and that’s assuming they make it to the finals.
Personally I don’t think the Wizards should push for too much, but should they accept a trade if it’s only Big Z’s expiring in return? I say no. The Cavs would be taking advantage of them.
One issue though is I don’t know what the terms of the discussions have been (if there have been any – not sure Ferry and Grunfeld enjoy speaking with eachother). Have the Cavs essentially offered Big Z and Hickson to the Wizards for Jamison? If so then yes maybe there’s a “misunderstanding of position of strength” on the side of the Wizards. Maybe not if the Wizards are just trying to eek out the Cavs 1st round pick as well.
I don’t know, but I’m not sure the Cavs should just stick it out with what they have, because I don’t think they’re definitely above and beyond the rest of the league. And this is such a critical year for them.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well
It’s true standing pat hurt them last year, but they also really struggled against elite teams last year (0-2 vs. LA, 1-2 vs. Orlando). This year, they swept LA (the second time without Mo Williams), crushed Orlando in November and swept a home-and-home with Atlanta. Their losses are mostly to so-so teams.
I definitely give them better than a 50-50 chance to beat LA.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
plus
who’s to say that getting Jamison, or making any other move, wouldn’t HURT team chemistry? Most of that team has been together for a few years now. While Jamison definitely puts up numbers, I think we’ve learned here that numbers don’t make a winning team.
Exactly
If I was Ferry, I would not assume they could get past Orlando. They failed miserably before, and if it happens again, James is gone.
It's a different Orlando team though
One they crushed in November. One that’s really struggled integrating new pieces. One that doesn’t have Hedo anymore.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Plus, if Cleveland doesn't get Jamison
They can also trade for Troy Murphy or Andre Iguodala. They have options. We don’t really have another team that would be willing to offer us cap relief for Jamison.
I’m just worried we sit there thinking we’re negotiating from a position of strength, only for Cleveland to say “screw you, we’re getting someone else” and leaving us stuck.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Well
The closer we get to deadline the more the rumor is Jamison is they guy the team wants. Murphy just isn’t as good, and Iguodala is a big, long contract to commit to.
Anyways I agree the Cavaliers are looking great, and are the favorites (though by a small margin in my mind).
Would you accept a Jamison for Ilgauskus trade straight up? Do you think the Cavs have definitely offered more than that to the Wizards yet?
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe and yes
But that’s not even the point. It’s more that the Wizards supposedly have reservations because Cleveland’s their “rival” and are now speaking of Jamison as a franchise cornerstone.
Maybe it’s posturing, but it’s still annoying as hell to read. If it doesn’t result in Jamison leaving for a better package, then it’s an epic fail on the part of the Wizards.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
how do you know?
how do you know that the Wizards have received anything more than Ilgauskus? I certainly haven’t read anything definitive in that regard.
Also, it looks like this trade deadline is going to be a fairly active one, yet how many trades have happened so far? There’s been nothing but posturing so far. Apparently that’s all GM’s are capable of until the last minute.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing they have
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I don’t know if you saw the comment I made yesterday regarding some audio chat with the Cavs beat writer. Besides making it very clear that Jamison is the player the Cavs want, he suggested Ferry had issues with dealing with the Wizards because “he didn’t trust them.” He also argued that he believed the Cavaliers would have to get a 3rd team involved for the trade to happen – because of that lack of trust.
I don’t know what all that means, but it might mean little communication between the two sides has taken place. Also it seems the Cavs are really hesitant to trade Hickson, and for good reason. I think they really want the Wizards to cave and accept just the expiring, hoping the Wizards that are entering a rebuilding stage will end up content with just cap relief.
All this amounts to a cat and mouse game where the Cavs are trying to give up as little as possible, and the Wizards trying to get as much as possible (not the the Cavs have all that much to offer). If the Cavs are lowballing, which I believe is likely and makes sense, then it gives Grunfeld good reason to talk about “cornerstones.”
But again, it’s really possible Grunfeld honestly believes Jamison is the cornerstone. I don’t know.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Good points
The more I have read, the more I agree with you. Just do it now and get it over with. Move Jamison while we can. That window seems to be shutting. Try to at least get a pick or two, though.
They were first overall
last year too, for most of the season and at the end. Still only made it to the 2nd round.
I want hickson
But we have to get out of AJ’s contract if we can. I’m all for posturing and think in the end well get hickson but no draft pick. Getting out of AJ’s contract is a must do and no one wants him. If given the choice between just Z or keeping AJ I would still send him out. I still think we’ll get Hickson though.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this
I also don’t care about the pick. It’s going to be 30th or 29th anyway, and it’s just one more guaranteed contract for likely a bad player.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
One of the reasons I think that the Wizards should ask for a 2011 or 2012 pick
The 2010 pick will not be worth much…
But, holding out for Hickson and a 2011 or 2012 pick is worth it… The gamble is that if LeBron doesn’t leave, well you’re stuck with a 2011 First round pick on a guaranteed contract of about a Million per year — – but if LeBron leaves Cleveland, that’s a lottery team in 2011 and 2012… (not too terrible a gamble in my opinion)
If something gets done before the trade deadline – I see the Wizards getting Ilgauskas, Hickson AND a pick…. If it doesn’t get done untl the trade deadline, let’s hope Grunfeld just pulls the trigger on Ilgauskas…. and his expiring contract.
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By the way
This report above – is completely contrary to the report that LeBron James really wants Jamison on his team…
I don’t know what GM’s Chad Ford talked to, but if he talked to places like Denver, Dallas and Portland – I would expect that kind of answer…. (team is reluctant to move Jamison)
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Ernie seems to be holding the deal up
I think the Wiz hold all the cards. The Pacers are apparently asking for a lot for Murphy. They probably have the same price on him that we have for Jamison. And Iggy looks like he might go to Houston or Phoenix. If the Cavs make a move, it will be to get Jamison. Question is, “will they make a move?”
Am I the only one that has stopped expecting/hoping for encouraging news?
about anything regarding this franchise?
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Agree
I expect bad news and poor results on a daily basis. 2010 has sucked the life from me.
"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,
perfect description
they have sucked the enjoyment out of watching basketball. the 2nd half last night was just a WTF moment that piled onto the Celts loss, that piled onto the latest duds of trade rumors, etc etc.
It’s hard to admit we’re back to where we were pre-Gil trade. I can’t follow the LeBron League NBA as much when we suck. Don’t even remember the last time I had the urge to buy tickets.
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funny
I was thinking the same thing. Not really expecting, but wondering if I SHOULD expect it. It does seem to me like Ernie has some sort of emotional tie to these players. While every team would love to have someone as professional as Jamison on their roster, it is just time for him to move on. For his sake and ours. He is gonna end up being the next Mitch Richmond if he stays with us. He will go into every year (he has left) knowing he is the best player on a team that has no chance whatsoever of winning a title.
by CJHutch on Feb 4, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing if the emotional tie issue is actually an issue, it's coming from the Pollins
My guess is Ernie just drives a hard bargaining price for his guys. He did trade John Starks and Charles Oakley when he was with the Knicks.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yeah, but NOBODY
liked Starks. I don’t think his mom even liked him. I think I read somewhere that she made him eat on the balcony come dinnertime.
It's sad
that such a key personnel decision will be made by Grunfeld based on whether it would cause Jamison to unfriend him on Facebook or jeopardize their chances to be BFFs Forever.
If Ernie doesn't move these guys...
I suggest we go to the Verizon Center with torches and pitchforks. This is getting ridiculous and I am really nervous that Ernie isn’t going to pull the trigger and we’re stuck with the “Big 3”.
Jamison has to be moved regardless. If we get Big Z, it will save the team a lot of cash this year and in future years. Butler is not the same and clearly, the state of the team is affecting his play. I’d be less worried about him because he’s an expiring next year, but if we can get an EC this year and a prospect, we should move him. Haywood should definitely be traded before he walks in the offseason. I also feel that way about Mike Miller if he can somehow be included in one of these trades.
Bottom line, this is the only time ever that Wiz fans will be ok with the franchise making decisions based on finance more than basketball. So I don’t understand the holdup. Don’t miss the boat when it comes to unloading big contracts just because you’re holding out for mid-level prospects.
My prediction
Is that we won’t see any trades. Again.
That’s been the real pattern with Ernie. He waits for a big opportunity to come along. It doesn’t. He stands pat. Add in the chaos of our ownership situation right now, and I think every other GM will “call his bluff” by not accepting the offers he’s making.
Two weeks more....
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A myth that I don't get
Why does everyone seem to think that Antawn is a good fit for the Cavs? The Cavs seemed convinced, LeCrabDribble seems convinced, all of the analysts seem convinced.
Antawn plays horrible defense and would be taking minutes away from a better defender in Varejao. LeBron needs catch and shoot guys especially from behind the Arc, but Antawn is not a good outside shooter. Rather, Antawn is more effective when he is playing down low, around the baseline, or taking someone to the hoop with a few dribbles and launching one of his impossible to defend (though crazy) runners/leaners.
I don’t see that Antawn meshes well with LeWhiner at all and he hurts them on defense.
I don't think
he’s a good fit. However, I DO think that he will hurt their salary cap situation, which is one good reason to send him there.
Uhh
1) Antawn is a good shooter.
2) If Z is gone, then Varejao slides into the backup 5 role and gets his minutes anyway
3) Cleveland’s integrated bad defenders into their system just fine (see Mo WIlliams)
4) Cleveland needs guys like Antawn who can score without controlling the ball because LeBron always controls the ball. They also need guys who are good cutters, which Antawn is.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
erm
1) How many times have we yelled at the TV when Antawn launches an ill advised 3?
2) If Varejao is logging most of his minutes at the 5, then who is guarding the power forwards? Who is defending the pick and roll when he isn’t on the floor? Who chases down the stretch 4s? Who boxes out Josh Smith?
3) You are telling me that Cleveland is still going to be an elite defensive team when its start Shaq, Mo Williams, AND Antawn. At some point it becomes impossible to integrate bad defensive into a good defensive system without breaking that system.
4) Antawn is a good offensive rebounder and garbage man, but he is not a sniper from the perimeter. He would definitely get buckets by cutting off of LeWhine’s drives, but when the Cavs turn to their 4 corner + LeTravel drive offense we are going to see a TON of antawn bricks from long range. The Queen needs to be surrounded by good shooters because he refuses to initiate offense from the post and, as such, initiates most of the offense off of dribble drives.
by Manimal Smith on Feb 4, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
But he is easily an improvement from any of their other PF
and he brings a lot to the table that many “shooting” big men, don’t bring.
by returnofswagger on Feb 4, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
We're obviously going to have to agree to disagree
-Antawn’s a good three-point shooter, he just has poor selection sometimes.
-Mike Brown works wonders defensively, so I’m not worried about their defense. Seriously, you’d think they’d have no way to guard the pick and roll with a crappy PG defender and a crappy C defender, but they find a way. Jamison’s not going to suddenly tip those scales and mess up an incredible culture of defense there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Sorry to put this on multiple threads but it seems pertinent
The common perception is that Cleveland couldn’t beat Orlando because Cleveland couldn’t score enough in the halfcourt. You hear that everywhere but I felt that was a misconception from watching the playoffs last year so I decided to look at some numbers. Now I am pretty convinced that is a complete falsehood. Orlando played 4 teams in the playoffs last year. Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland and the Lakers. All of them were considered to be great defensive teams based on the regular season. Only Philly, Boston, and the Lakers actually defended the Magic well. In the Philly series Orlando scored 96ppg(Philly scored 88.5 ppg). Against Boston, the Magic also averaged only 96 ppg(giving up 91 ppg). Against Cleveland, however, Orlando exploded for 103 PPG!!!! That’s a lot of points for a halfcourt team. Even more surprising is that Cleveland scored 101ppg!!! Then you look at what Orlando did against the Lakers. Against the Lakers(A great defense with mobile big men) Orlando could only muster 91 PPG. The Lakers scored 101ppg that series. So basically of the 4 teams Orlando played last playoffs, Cleveland was hands down the worst defensive team. They were exposed in the playoffs. Cleveland supposedly can’t score in the half court but they averaged as many points as the Lakers who can score in the halfcourt. Cleveland puts up good numbers in the regular season cuz they get back and play good team defense. In the playoffs which features more half court play they get exposed because Varejao is the only big man they have with some mobility.
All that being said obviously Cleveland could use some help in the half court but they could also use a mobile defensive big man. The common thinking is that if they had a stretch 4 it would open things up. That is true and I’m sure AJ can help but would he make that much more of a difference than Miller? We’re talking about having a guy who can knock down the open 3 and Miller does that so much better and his ball handling and playmaking abilities would help mask Mo William’s deficiencies in that area. They could increase scoring and really plug a hole defensively with Miller/Haywood. I’m not even sure why I’m arguing this I just feel this “Cleveland is a great defensive team who just needs another guy can score” is one of those NBA not-so-truths that gets repeated endlessly and isn’t entirely correct. It’s also another reason why I don’t care if we send AJ to them because I don’t know if that really makes them a championship team like certain people seem to feel and if we can get a young stud like Hickson AND get out of AJ’s contract it would be great. Working in our favor is the fact that Lebron is pushing for him and we have seen in the past how Lebron has pressured the Cavs into horrible roster moves(resigning Z, and signing Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes). If Danny Ferry was smart(he’s not) he’d think about that before trading for AJ unless he has another move planned for a defensive big man.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate the research
And I’ll backtrack from the “offense being the problem” hypothesis for Orlando. I had forgotten how much Orlando scored that series.
That said, you’re making wayyyy too much out of one matchup. Orlando posed two major problems for Cleveland that no other team did. One was that their playmaking came from their small forward position (i.e. Turkoglu), not their point guard. That forced LeBron James to have to play more on-ball defense rather than his typical help D. Mike Brown tried to force the issue anyway and put LeBron on Rafer Alston, but that was a major tactical mistake. The other major issue was that nobody on Cleveland was able to guard Dwight Howard. Howard killed them. When you combine those two unique issues (nobody else has a point forward like Hedo, and nobody else has Howard), Cleveland was stumped. The reason Orlando did worse against the other teams you mentioned is that all three of them had a small forward adept at playing on-ball D (Iguodala, Pierce, Ariza, three of the best defensive SFs in the game) and multiple bigs to throw at Howard (Philly dusted off Theo Ratliff to join Dalembert, Boston has Perkins and LA had Bynum AND Gasol).
You’re forgetting that, in Cleveland’s first eight playoff games last year, their opponent didn’t score above 85 points once. (I don’t have DEs in front of me). Last year, they were third in defensive efficiency during the regular season. In the 2008 playoffs against Boston, Cleveland shut down their offense completely and only lost the series because they themselves couldn’t score (though this was pre-Mo Williams). This year, their defense has completely dominated the Lakers in both games. The Magic also no longer have Hedo (Vince is an easier matchup for Cleveland), and the Cavs have Shaq, who can at least be a big body to deal with Dwight.
Basically, what I’m saying is that every single other playoff series, regular-season game and the like has shown the Cavs are an elite defensive team that needs offense — except for last year’s Cavs-Magic series. That series is the anomoly, not the trend.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Isn't Varejao the reason they can guard the pick and roll?
He is almost to the level of KG on the “human pick and roll eraser” scale.
by Manimal Smith on Feb 4, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You make good points
And Orlando might prove to be the exception to the rule. My thinking is that Orlando exposed a critical weakness with the Cavs. I’m not sure Orlando was quite as unique as you think though. Orlando just pick and rolled them to death and Howard was a beast who fouled guys out. They might have downgraded this year but the Lakers and Celtics can do the exact same things. The Celtics can pick and roll with Pierce and Garnett all day. The Lakers would be even more adept at it with Kobe and Gasol/Odom/Bynum. Plus the Lakers can shift Gasol to the 5 and Odom to the 4 basically taking away Clevelands ability to put Shaq or Z on the court. So basically the Lakers could P&R with Kobe and whoever Varejao isn’t guarding. In the past the Cav’s have had guys like Joe Smith and Gooden who can step out on a P&R and get back. Granted the Cleveland-Orlando series from last year might be an anomaly but it also might be the beginning of a trend. So obviously they need to score more points I’m certainly not arguing that but they haven’t done anything to address their inability to guard the most basic halfcourt play. The more I think about it the more it seems that Varejao might be as crucial to the Cav’s success as any guy outside of Lebron. If he gets in foul trouble or hurt they will really struggle. So AJ will def. make them better I’m just not sure he by himself gets them over the hump and I think they should be concerned about their defense against the Lakers and Celtics if no one else.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see
I’m with you on Varejao – dude’s more important than anyone realizes. However, it’s worth noting that Cleveland has owned the Lakers this season, blowing them out in LA and beating them in Cleveland without Mo Williams.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Very true
but playoff defense is a whole nother story much like scoring in the playoffs. I’m interested to see what happens. Your point about them waxing LA this year is very telling as Orlando dominated Cleveland 2 out of the 3 times they played last year.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
And the third time, it was a close game
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Back to my original question
Prada, if you were Danny Ferry, would you rather trade for AJ or for a Haywood/miller combo. Obviously Haywood/Miller is better ling term for them but I mean towards winning it all this year. I think Miller would lift them offensively almost as much as AJ would and they could also use another defensive big man. Im not sure what I would do.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They can't find enough time for 3 centers already
and although Cleveland getting Haywood and Miller might help them – that trade will NEVER happen……
Ask yourself the following question:
How does trading Haywood and Miller help Washington?
Both are expiring contracts….. and Washington would still be stuck with Jamison’s long-term deal.
Absolutely NO reason for Washington to trade Miller or Haywood to Cleveland – unless they’re part of a package for LeBron…. and that AIN’T happening.
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I didn't say we would or should.
I just asked from Cleveland’s end. Obviously we wouldn’t do that. We are so lucky Cleveland is willing to trade for Jamison. It’s a hypothetical not a suggestion we do that. Do you think they would benefit more from Jamison or Haywood Miller if they could do either.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
AJ, no question
Anthony Parker does everything Miller would do for them already, and Haywood would never play.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Antwan is a good fit for them
You are talking about him taking Varejao’s minutes… is there any comparison in who is a better shooter there? Anyway, Varejao will be on the court with him more than instead of him. Shaq doesn;t need to b on the court for 35 minutes anymore. My point is, Antwan is better than any of their options at PF
by returnofswagger on Feb 4, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
who knows what is going on
but, if grunfeld was trying to deal jamison, and we were reading about the fact that it was almost done (without a good deal for the wizards), that would be a huge grunfeld mistake.
this is standard negotiation…the “cornerstone” comment is obviously BS. like grunfeld really believes this team has a cornerstone.
now, if grunfeld doesnt get a jamison deal done, that is a huge fail.
Sounds like Chad Ford is making an ass out of himself with these assumptions
Also, this contradicts the report from Brian Windhorst that Jamison & his agent want out ASAP!!!
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Well, not really
Jamison could want out and the Wizards could still want him in at the same time.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Jamison has also said that he doesn't expect to be traded.
I’m thinking that he and the organization (Grunfeld) have probably been in communication regarding his trade status. Right?
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He's not going to publicly say he wants out
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Grrrr
I started writing about this in the game thread last night and changed my mind. Antawn, Caron and Brendan all have to go post haste. I don’t care who they bring back as long as it isn’t salaries. Especially Antawn.
Of course this is impossible, thanks to the Pollin family. They’re trying to get top dollar out of a poor franchise in a bad economy while the GM keeps the terrible team together. Just like most others, I stood Abe because he never gave any impression that he didn’t love the team, misguided trust notwithstanding. I don’t have the same feelings for his family, unfair as it may be. There’s a better man, with the cash, at the ready to start all over again.
Pollins: if you care about this team at all, let it go now. You are prolonging everyone’s misery over money you probably don’t need anyway.
I don't hold that against them
Both sides are haggling. To expect it to happen overnight is naive. Leonsis will getthe team. If he doesn’t leonsis would have to sell the Caps too. It will happen. Why do you assume the Pollins are holding up trades or that trades are being held up?
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the trades are in danger with EG in charge, and Jamison would be pretty tough to move next year.
I’ll admit that I wrote that post out of anger, and accept to an extent that it’s a process that needs to run its course. I also believe the Pollins have valued it too highly, and if that hadn’t happened the transition could be happening. My opinion is worth what you paid to read it.
My dream scenario would be to get Antawn moved for cap room, and if Haywood could bring back someone like Fernandez great. If Caron’s season makes him untradeable, that’s ok; he’s off the books next year anyway. Buy Flip out, let him make a move to a team closer to what he was coming to. Let Ernie move on. Arenas probably becomes tradeable in the summer; if not he comes back to DC with a brand new power structure, and with the ability to still play. It could be a lot worse.
It will lead to a brutally bad team. But Leonsis pulled it off with the Caps. Even if they don’t manage an Ovi-level coup, all I want now is a nice young team that hasn’t thoroughly quit. I hate this team right now, and the sooner it’s gone the sooner I’ll brush my teeth, straighten my tie, comb my hair, and move on.
Ernie is a trading GM
All this Ernie is holding up trades has no basis in fact.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 5, 2010 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
trade idea arenas to bucks for redd/
what do u people think about that http://werebucked.com/2010/01/28/arenas-trade-idea-arenas-to-bucks-for-redd/
Go Wizards
by ag3ntzero on Feb 4, 2010 7:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
FREE ANTAWN JAMISON!
After all of the years of sweat and suffering, the Wizards ought to have the decency to let Jamison go to Cleveland and finally win a title. They guy has paid his dues in this league, he’s had an outstanding career (Six man of the year, two time All-star, etc.), LET HIM GO OUT ON TOP> PLEASE
by CVC on Feb 4, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they're waiting
until draft day to get a Seattle-type deal for AJ, Caron, or both. Maybe one of thesecellar dwellers gets it in their mind that they want to compete now, so they risk their future on it. Would be nice to land a Greg Monroe, plus a couple of spare parts, on draft day.
OK, I just read what I wrote and YES, I realize how goofy it sounds. Ernie doesn’t have that type of imagination.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!
I’m sorry, it just had to be done
by Manimal Smith on Feb 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
A Truehoop article said
There’s a chance Arenas comes back. You guys think we wait and see before the draft, if he can play next year, get a good lottery pick and give this group another year?
Make a run without BH, MM and Foye
Are you serious?
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 5, 2010 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Big Three is done. End of story.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 5, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions
keep caron trade jamison
trade jamison for jj hickson and daniel green and let the rebuilding (around caron butler and our lottery pick) begin.
Agreed i guess but.......
Butler hasnt been the same this year though. Hate to see my favorite player go but it might be fot the best
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