My dream trades
by Rook6980 on Feb 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST
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I was thinking - how do the Wizards completely blow up the roster, but still get back young players and draft picks in return? To get maximum value, you have to look at teams in dire need of what the Wiz have to offer.
Cleveland clearly needs a stretch 4 to compliment LeBron... Plus, according to this report by Ken Berger at CBS Sports, LeBaby really, really wants Jamison on his team.... But, they would also like it if their trading partner bought out Ilgauskas and released so they could have him back as Shaq insurance. If that's so, then make Cleveland pay for the privilege. Normally I'd say Ilgauskas and Hickson for Jamison is a fair deal... but to accomodate Cleveland's request to release Ilgauskas, make em give up Daniel Green and a 1st round pick...
FOR 
+ 2011 First round pick
FOR 
+ 2011 First round pickvia a.espncdn.com
Jamison + Crittenton + Oberto FOR Ilgauskas + JJ Hickson + Daniel Green + Cleveland's Unprotected 2011 First round pick. (THEN buy out Ilgauskas and release him - let him go back to Cleveland)
Next:
Houston has an interest in Caron Butler, and really needs a short-term defensive minded Center until Yao comes back next year. I've heard that Houston doesn't want to take back Mike James - but I doubt anyone else can, or will offer an All-Star, and a Starting quality center for Tracy McGrady.... Joey Dorsey is a throw in (to make salaries match)...but he's not central to the deal and could be left off, but Chase Budinger is a requirement. I've heard that Houston doesn't have to do anything, and they can just let McGrady walk to give them some Cap flexibility.... but looking at their salaries for next year, if even if they re-sign Scola and Lowry (both restricted Free Agents) to Qualifying offers, they'll still be less than $9 Million under the Salary Cap. Not enough to lure a top name Free Agent...so getting something back now makes sense.
FOR 
+ 2011 First Round Pick
FOR 
+ 2011 First Round Pickvia a.espncdn.com
Caron Butler + Haywood + Mike James FOR Tracy McGrady + Chase Budinger + Joey Dorsey + Houston's Unprotected 2011 First round pick. Let Tracy McGrady's contract expire - and let him walk in Free Agency this Summer
And Finally:
New York will do almost ANYTHING to get shed Eddy Curry and Jarred Jeffries salaries for next year. They are almost desperate because they need to make a big splash in this Summer's Free Agent market. They should be able to get rid of Jeffries ($6.4 Million), but Eddy Curry's $10.5 Million contract is practically un-tradeable; UNLESS they give a potential trading partner a real good reason to take him.... Like a good young player, and a pick:
FOR 
+ 2012 First round Pick
FOR 
via a.espncdn.com
Mike Miller + Stevenson FOR Eddy Curry + NY's Unprotected 2012 First round pick + Jordan Hill
Buy out Curry's last two seasons - and release him.
By the way - none of these trade ideas are mine - they've been floated before... and even rumored to be in the works.....
2011 Roster after the trades:
Gilbert Arenas 28 (PG) $17.7 Million
Andray Blatche 23 (PF) $ 3.3 Million
Randy Foye 26 (G) Re-sign for $6 Million (or just over the MLE)
JaVale McGee 22 (C) $ 1.6 Million
Nick Young 24 (SG) $ 2.6 Million
JJ Hickson 21 (PF) $ 1.5 Million
Daniel Green 22 (SG) $ 0.8 Million
Chase Budinger 21 (SF) $ 0.8 Million
Joey Dorsey 26 (PF) $ 1.0 Million
Jordan Hill 22 (PF) $ 2.7 Million
Dom McGuire 24 (F) $ 1.0 Million
Wiz 2010 First Round Pick $3.0 (assumes a top 5 pick)
12 players under contract totaling $45 Million
The Wizards end up with a team FULL of young players, draft picks,
Roster flexibility... Cap flexibility (Well under the projected Salary Cap of $52 Million)....
They could maybe even sign a second tier FA or two (Mike Miller? , Will Bynum, Roger Mason?)
Plus they'll have Houston's 2011 First Round Pick + Cleveland's 2011 First rounder (which should be worth something good if LeBron walks) and New York's 2012 First round pick.
The team that remains after all these trades is not going to win a lot of games... at least not at first. But like Portland, Memphis and Oklahoma City have shown, building around young players and the draft can work.
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Rook, the Jazz have New York's pick
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
So take NY's 2012...
first rounder instead, if they still have it. I’d pull the trigger on the whole proposal. I officially sign off on these trades. Thanks for putting them together, Rook.
Problem is, New York will be good by then
Because they’ll use their extra cap space to sign at least one max guy, so the pick won’t be worth much.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yeah, but its still worth doing
considering what we are giving up
by John Park Williams on Feb 3, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
so the cavs would be the most likely spot? correct, how bout the suns, trade Jamisn and Butler for Amare
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
So the cavs are the team most likely to trade for jamison? i would still like for butler to go to the rockets for mcgrady to clear up cap space for 2010 class of free agents
by Skins4ever on Feb 4, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Why Hill and not Galinari?
I have not seen enough of Hill to condemn him, but I really like Galinari.
by John Park Williams on Feb 3, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions
I don't like either of them
All Gallinari does is shoot threes.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I mean, you could say the same thing about Peja
He’s not someone you build around, but Gallinari is a very good complimentary piece. I think his defense is a bit underrated, too.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 3, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I think he could be a good defender
Galinari is so big that he can play off of his man and still get out on shooters.
Plus, he is crafty. Very good basketball IQ.
by John Park Williams on Feb 4, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Bargnani drives sometimes though and can post up smaller guys
Gallinari’s completely one-dimensional.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Gallo's a better shooter
He can also handle the ball pretty well for someone his size, plus he’s not that far behind Bargnani as far as rebounding, despite that he’s two inches shorter and a small forward. I love both guys (being Italian American, I think it’s my duty), but Gallinari’s already a better player and might even have more upside.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 4, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Mike's right
we need to move away from the perimeter guys. We’ve been mired in mediocrity for so long because we haven’t had a post presence since Webber’s first year.
100% agree with CJ
It’s why I’m excited for Hickson who has legit post scoring abilities.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i like jordan hill
in the brief action he received in the knicks loss to dc i saw a lot of potential and hustle, 2 things the wizards could use. I like all these trades, I just question the likelihood of opposing GMs pulling the trigger on them.
I've seen what Gallinari can do...
Not impressed – especially on defense…
Hill, on the other hand, still has some upside. He’s BIG at 6’10" – and he plays big. He’s strong; he likes contact inside; he’s a banger. Plus he’s very athletic. At Arizona, he was a pretty good defender, and an excellent rebounder.
My only problem with Jordan Hill ( and I mentioned it in my evaluation last year…) was that he’s not very diverse Offensively – however I DO like his baby hook shot….
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Buying out Eddy Curry' contract
I am pretty sure whatever you buy him out for counts evenly over the remaining years (e.g. is you buy out a 2 year $20M contract for $16M it counts $8M on this years cap and $8M on next years cap). I could be wrong, but that was my understanding. Otherwise why would NY give up Hill, a draft pick, and take on stevenson so that the Wiz will buy out Curry’s contract and get under the cap? Dont you think if the Knicks could buy out Curry’s contract this year and not have it count on next years cap they would do it in less than one second? I mean, they would make that money back in Lebron Jersey sales alone. Like you said, NY would do just about anything to get rid of effries or curry, including buy them out.
No cap savings with a buyout.
Someone who is a little more knowledgeable can correct me here, but I’m pretty sure buyouts don’t get you any cap relief. You save cash by paying the player less, but his full salary counts against the cap.
The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.
I knew there was some catch
Hence why you only see players bought out in the last year of their contract
It gets them further under the cap
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
true
But they are also a less desirable place to play with no Hill or 2012 pick.
Also, Lebron and Stevenson hate each other. I guess the knicks could just buy him out, or home he opts out because he does not want to play with Lebron. I doubt the knicks what to hurt their chances of landing Lebron
Conflicting information on Stevenson's contract
On hoopshype, he is listed as having a guaranteed contract in 2011, but on ESPN his contract expires this year.
If his contract expires this year, then the Knicks would just not resign him rather than deal with the problem. If not, I am sure the Knicks will figure out something.
Either way, I am sure lEbron James is a lot less worried about DeShawn Stevenson than Stevenson is about lEbron.
by John Park Williams on Feb 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
He has a player option for 2011, which he'll certainly pick up
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
portland
some type of trade involving butler haywood to the balzers for batum and fernandez plus the blazers throw in a 2nd rd pick.
Hmmmm, that Blazers are not dumb
First off, the contracts would never, ever work, unless the Blazers threw in Przybilla and Travis Outlaw, which they won’t do.
Secondly, Nicolas Batum has the makings of an All-NBA player. Why on earth would Portland trade him?
Thirdly, Rudy Fernandez is their 2nd most popular player (after Brandon Roy). It would be suicide.
So, yeah, I would love it if we traded for Rudy and Batum, but its not going to happen.
by John Park Williams on Feb 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Like the trades mostly
Think the Cleveland one might be a little optimistic but nothing wrong with that. I love Hickson.
You don't think we can get more for Butler/Haywood?
I like Chase Budinger, and I love getting a 2011 1st round pick (especially from Houston, since I think they will have internal turmoil next year when Yao comes back), but, I really think we can get a better young player if we are giving up both Butler and Haywood.
Rodrique Borbeuis? Demar Derozan?
by John Park Williams on Feb 4, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions
trading Caron Butler this year (in the middle of the “washingston fire sale”) is the definition of “selling low”. Expect houston to hold on to him for 10-12 months and then trade his expiring contract for twice as much as what they gave up for him.
they'd "sell low" then too
Look at what Phoenix is getting offered for Stoudemire. Trading expiring contracts can get you better players, but only if the expiring contract player isn’t all that great. Take Haywood as another example. If the Wizards trade him in the next couple weeks, the Wizards won’t get equal value. Not even close.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Look at what Phoenix is getting offered for Stoudemire.
I think Amare is kind of an interesting situation for a couple of different reasons… 1) I think the contract demands he has put out there has scared away anyone who normally would be interested in trading for him and signing him long term. 2) Most teams who plan on making a run at free agency this year already have their plan in place and do not need to dump those 1 or 2 (talkented but…) extra players 3) He doesnt play the type of defense that a contender would mortgage the future on and give up youngsters for.
Trading expiring contracts can get you better players, but only if the expiring contract player isn’t all that great.
Couldnt disagree with you more, that logic just makes no sense. Sure most of the expiring contract for talent deals have involved losers (ie Kwame Brown) but that is because most teams who have great players in their last year expect to resign the player.
If the Wizards trade him in the next couple weeks, the Wizards won’t get equal value. Not even close.
Well of course they wont get full value for what would be basically a 3-4 month rental. I do think that any other team would be able to get a lot more for haywood than we can with the entire franchise in disarray.
not getting equal value
is way better than getting no value when they walk. Obviously they are not gonna get equal value. It’s a something is better than nothing deal.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
If we are still talking about a caron + bwood for tmac I think I would take nothing over that something.
Unless (my prayers are answered and) Gil gets voided the cap space Caron leaving gives us wouldnt equal out to much more than the MLE. Sure the owner (whomever that may be) saves a couple of bucks, but at what cost?? Is saving that money worth having a New Jersey Nets type situation here next year.
amare
surprised to see he is actually a players option… i always thought he was a free agent. I think this year might be one of those situations where it actually makes sense for him to stick with his current deal. Making $17M next year and being part of a free agent class where melo and cb4 are the only unrestricted free agents I see makes alot more sense than coming out this year, being somebodies after thought, and possibly taking a pay cut. Am I crazy for thinking no one will give him more than $17M??
Problem is, by 2011, the new CBA will be in place
And player salaries will be drastically cut.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yeah he would have to be insane not to come out this year
Especially when a NBA exec used him as an example for the new CBA. I forget who it was but they said the goal is for player like Amare to be paid 7-8M under the new CBA. Plus getting a long term contract now is usually preferrable to waiting another year and risking injury or weird market stuff.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
good point
I dont mean to sound like a hater… but… I cant wait. I dont know how much longer I can get behind players like amare stoudemire (IMO, a second fiddle, at best) receiving 15M-25M contracts.
I'm more excited about the proposal to limit how long a contract will be guaranteed
I think the NBA will have a better on the Court product if only say the first 3 years of a contract can be guaranteed
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well of course they wont get full value for what would be basically a 3-4 month rental.blockquote>
Which is the same reason why trading Butler a year from now won’t get equal value in return. If you’re trading a good player that’s an expiring contract you’re going to have to accept less because the team you’re trading to is assuming risk that that player won’t sign. It’s when the team that’s getting the expiring contract doesn’t want to resign the player that they’re willing to give up a better player (but a longer contract) in return for the expiring.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
No - I don't think Haywood is worth much
UNLESS he agrees to re-sign with whatever team he signs with…
Houston wouldn’t want to re-sign Haywood ; with Yao Ming coming back , they don’t need Haywood next year – they only need to rent him for this year – that’s why the Houston trade is all about Butler… I think a pick and a prospect (Budinger) – along with the salary relief from the expiring McGrady contract is a good deal for Butler….
Utah might be a better trade – at least as far as getting more for Haywood…. They have Kyle Korver’s expiring contract and the Knicks 2010 First round pick…. Haywood would provide them with some much needed inside defense (Okur and Boozer are dismal defenders)… However that trade would probably hinge on whether Utah could re-sign Haywood….
Another scenario would be to use their trade exception from the Matt Harpring trade ($6.5 Million) and acquire Haywood. Washington wouldn’t get anything substantial back except the $6 Million (Haywood’s salary) relief THIS year. Utah has only 13 players on their roster, so they can do it…. without releasing anyone. Washington could ask for the Knicks First round pick (but again, I think Utah would balk unless Haywood agreed to an extension).
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Isn't Yao in the last year ofhis deal next season?
They could use Haywoods bird rights and sign him for something reasonable. If Yao returns healthy they are a legit contending team with Brooks, Landry, Yao, CB, Battier, and AH. If the team doesn’t work out next year or Yao doesn’t come back they have Battier, CB, and Yao’s expiring contracts to work with while having a viable Yao replacement. Even with Yao theystill need another Center to competewith the Lakers. I’d be amenable to swapping Lowry for their first rounder and resigning him for 4-6M a year.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you're probably right
but they may be thinking of having some insurance in case Yao’s injury history continues.
A little off topic
But I can’t see AJ really making a huge difference for them. What killed them against Orlando was that they couldn’t defend the pick and roll. Z couldn’t come out and show and still get back. AJ won’t help with that. If I were them I would trade for Miller and BH. Then use the 15M you were gonna pay AJ and resign them. Assuming they resign Lebron of course. Plus then if they lose Lebron they can let those guys walk if they want to.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i agree, I don't think Jamison would help the Cavs
As great as LBJ is, it is hard to play with him, because basically all you do is stand and around and shoot when you are open.
Mike Miller would probably help more, but I don’t think Miller has the mental makeup to be a solid contributor on a championship-caliber team.
by John Park Williams on Feb 4, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I can't agree here
Cleveland’s problems aren’t on defense (though I guess they could use help defending the p&r, I guess). They’ve always been a top-five defensive team. Their problem has been their inability to score in the halfcourt against good defensive teams. They lost that series to Orlando because everyone other than LeBron sucked on offense. Jamison’s a major boost there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
exactly
That’s why Jamison is priority #1 for the Cavs. He fills their need.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
AND
Not only can Jamison score in the Half court – either down low in the post (with that patented flip shot) or on mid-range pick-and-pop jumpers…. but he’s also perfect spotting up for 3’s when the bull puts his head down and decides to charge into the China Shop…. I mean, when LeBron decides to drive…..
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I gotta disagree with you Prada
The common perception is that Cleveland couldn’t beat Orlando because Cleveland couldn’t score enough in the halfcourt. You hear that everywhere but I felt that was a misconception from watching the playoffs last year so I decided to look at some numbers. Now I am pretty convinced that is a complete falsehood. Orlando played 4 teams in the playoffs last year. Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland and the Lakers. All of them were considered to be great defensive teams based on the regular season. Only Philly, Boston, and the Lakers actually defended the Magic well. In the Philly series Orlando scored 96ppg(Philly scored 88.5 ppg). Against Boston, the Magic also averaged only 96 ppg(giving up 91 ppg). Against Cleveland, however, Orlando exploded for 103 PPG!!!! That’s a lot of points for a halfcourt team. Even more surprising is that Cleveland scored 101ppg!!! Then you look at what Orlando did against the Lakers. Against the Lakers(A great defense with mobile big men) Orlando could only muster 91 PPG. The Lakers scored 101ppg that series. So basically of the 4 teams Orlando played last playoffs, Cleveland was hands down the worst defensive team. They were exposed in the playoffs. Cleveland supposedly can’t score in the half court but they averaged as many points as the Lakers who can score in the halfcourt. Cleveland puts up good numbers in the regular season cuz they get back and play good team defense. In the playoffs which features more half court play they get exposed because Varejao is the only big man they have with some mobility.
All that being said obviously Cleveland could use some help in the half court but they could also use a mobile defensive big man. The common thinking is that if they had a stretch 4 it would open things up. That is true and I’m sure AJ can help but would he make that much more of a difference than Miller? We’re talking about having a guy who can knock down the open 3 and Miller does that so much better and his ball handling and playmaking abilities would help mask Mo William’s deficiencies in that area. They could increase scoring and really plug a hole defensively with Miller/Haywood. I’m not even sure why I’m arguing this I just feel this "Cleveland is a great defensive team who just needs another guy can score" is one of those NBA not-so-truths that gets repeated endlessly and isn’t entirely correct. It’s also another reason why I don’t care if we send AJ to them because I don’t know if that really makes them a championship team like certain people seem to feel and if we can get a young stud like Hickson AND get out of AJ’s contract it would be great. Working in our favor is the fact that Lebron is pushing for him and we have seen in the past how Lebron has pressured the Cavs into horrible roster moves(resigning Z, and signing Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes). If Danny Ferry was smart(he’s not) he’d think about that before trading for AJ unless he has another move planned for a defensive big man.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, why does it matter if we trade Jamison to Cleveland?
The big problem before was if we saw the Cavs in the playoffs again we would not want to have to face Jamison. As bad as we are we shouldn’t be worried one way or another who we make better. Let Cleveland have him, we can watch him in the playoffs and hope he plays well. Then they can be stuck with his contract when the cap goes down and he is making fifteen million.
But...
Ernie’s still pissed at the Larry Hughes signing!! 5 years later and finally it’s payback time!
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
How can he be pissed
That signing was a crushing blow for the Cav’s. In hindsight I’d let him walk 105 times out of 100.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 4, 2010 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know why this would still matter to him, but Michael Lee has reported it so a couple times recently.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 4, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Those have to be rumors
Not re-signing Hughes was one of the best moves/accidents that has ever happened to us. This is business. The only way not dealing with Cleveland made any sense was if he had to go head-to-head against them. Right now, who cares if they win three titles in a row, as long as we are getting better. Building any kind of team around Jamison just does not work. He just doesn’t make anyone on the team any better. But we knew this already, we’ve been watching his game for five years now.
I am watching Mavs-Timberwolves right now....
…..and Rodrique Bourbois looks incredible. Fast, lanky, confident, and a surprisingly good outside shooter. Great floater. But, mostly, just so freaking fast with the ball.
by John Park Williams on Feb 5, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Bourbois is a talent. I doubt the Wolves would be willing to give him up however.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 5, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions
Bah
My mistake.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 5, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can get a mix
Cavs get Jamison
Knicks get Z and 2010 second round Wiz pick
Wiz get Eddy Curry, both teams 2011 first round draft picks? is that too much
send Haywood to Trail Blazers for young talent (somehow get Rudy and maybe Outlaw)
send Butler to Rockets or Mavs for young talent
the knicks cannot trade their 2011 1st round pick
because they already traded their 2010 1st round pick, so it would have to be the knicks 2012 1st round pick. (You can’t trade your 1st round pick in consecutive drafts.) Also, I am pretty sure Cleveland traded their 2010 1st round pick to Phoenix in the Shaq trade, so they couldn’t trade their 2011 pick either.
Although I do like the idea of doing a 3-way trade with New York & Cleveland so we don’t can save Mike Miller’s expiring contract for a different trade.
Also, I am guessing the Cavaliers would be extremely hesitant about making a deal that would free up cap space for the New York Knicks.
by John Park Williams on Feb 6, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Experiment
The Wiz are experimenting with Foye at the 1, which is a good thing. So far, he’s not good enough, but by the end of the year, he may be okay.
I would trade Jamison and Haywood and play McGee and Blatche the rest of the year, after firing EG and promoting FS. I’d look for 15 and 8 from Blatche and 8 boards and 3 blocks from McGee (with a constant focus on teaching him defensive positioning). Expect lots of mistakes. So what.
I would trade NY’s attitude for a hard nose character.
Foye
Stuckey
Butler
Blatche
McGee
Assess needs after the season. Get a premier big man (Amare) or point guard (Paul). Buy out Arenas’ contract.
We’re not that far away, but light-years away with EG at the switch.
we're very far away
if we end up buying out Arenas’ contract. I’d rather keep Haywood then have Amare. I don’t see any way we get Chris Paul or Rodney Stuckey. McGee is very far away from meeting his potential. I like Nick Young b/c he can score and the fact that he is beginning to play good defense gives me hope that he’ll be a good player. We’ll see soon!
$$$
buy out Arenas and trade AJ and DS and the Wiz have very little salary commited next year. That means the new owner can negotiate with a premiere player.
NY was given many chances. He’s got skill, but he’s a nut case.
Blatche is in the same camp so they need to broken up (and keep arenas away). Shooting guards can be had. Athletic big men are harder to find.
If McGee shows no signs of improving after playing the rest of the year, the Wiz could go after Bosch or whomever…
On the other hand, it’s hard to imagine that someone like McGee wouldn’t improve with playing time and good coaching.
I’d be pessimistic only if Snyder ends up with the team and/or EG sticks around.
NBA Trade Machine (maybe this works in the real world)
Wizards get…(a good PG, 2 young players in Rudy and Taj, and a trade piece for 2011)
Kirk Hinrich (3yrs 9.5mil)
Rudy Fernandez (2yrs 1.1mil)
Joel Przybilla (2yrs 6.8mil)
Taj Gibson (2yrs 1.0mil)
Bulls get…(to be a player in 2010 free agency and still be near the 8 seed this year…and sell tickets with TMac)
Tracy McGrady (1yr 22.8mil)
Travis Outlaw (1yr 3.6mil)
Jermaine Taylor (3yrs 725k)
Rockets get…(a better team for 2010 plus expiring contracts to resign Scola)
Caron Butler (2yrs 9.7mil)
Mike Miller (1yr 9.7mil)
Jerome James (1yr 6.6mil)
Trail Blazers get…(center for this season, young potential, or cap space at the end 2010)
Brendan Haywood (1yr 6.0mil)
Tyrus Thomas (1yr 4.7mil)
thats actually a very interesting trade
I personally am not a fan of Kirk Hinrich though, and paying him $8 million in 2011-2012 really hurts our chances of being players in 2011 free agency, especially considering that Gilbert Arenas will almost certainly still be on the books.
I don’t see why the Bulls would include Taj Gibson in any deal. At $1 Million per year, he is a bargain, and takes up no salary cap space.
And realistically, the Portland TrailBlazers would never agree to this deal. Although on paper it is more than fair, the reality is that JOel Pryzbilla and Rudy Fernandez are worshipped over there. Pryzbilla has been there so long and rebuilt that team’s image that he has become virtually untouchable. And Fernandez’s flashy style of play has made him a fan-favorite in Portland, and made the Blazers the most popular team in Spain.
by John Park Williams on Feb 6, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Blazers forum has Przybilla in every trade scenario for a center
usually involving Blake or Outlaw. The Blazers don’t want to give up any of their young talent even if they aren’t getting the playing time. They are looking at Dalembert, Camby, Kaman, Haywood, Okafor, and someone else. This trade is pretty flexible for everyone except maybe the Wizards, but the fact that we get some young talent to compensate would be forgiving.
it has been reported several times that the Wiz and Portland were already talking a Haywood-Przybilla swap before Pryz got hurt
Pryz is untouchable right now cuz he blew out his knee. They would trade Fernandez if they liked the deal…..I think you make too much of their supposed fan favorite status
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 6, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
they buy him out by paying the max they can to him this year and next
and tell him to take a hike.
I'm surprised nobody is talking about the FA class this summer
I mean I know the wizards need to go into the rebuilding mode, but how come we can’t do a combination of both that and getting a big name this summer.
I’d be surprised if we can’t get out of Gil’s contract completely. I mean if he even spends a single day in jail we’re pretty much off the hook with his contract. If for some reason Gil is not gone by this summer, then we won’t be able to do anything being bogged down by his contract and all
My wet dream of an offseason goes like this, (maybe a little far fetched)
Trade Caron to Houston for Mcgrady’s expiring contract and hard cash.
Trade AJ to Cleveland for JJ. Hickson, 1st round Pick and Cash
Get rid of Deshawn and Mike James for cap space, I don’t really care where they go just as long as we get expiring contracts.
Now if we unload all these people and manage to void Gil’s contract, then why wouldn’t we be able to sign somebody like Dwade or Chris Bosh during the summer. With all that cap space we’d have enough.
So my roster would currently be
Earl Boykins
Mike Miller (he needs to be resigned)
Dwayne Wade
Brendan Haywood
Nick Young
Javale Mcgee
Dom Mcguire
JJ Hickson
Randy Foye
I feel like we could also get rid of Blatche, maybe Portland would settle for somebody like Blatche in exchange for Fernandez. Portland just needs somebody big, and Blatche could fill that roll. I just REALLY don’t think it would be a good idea to get rid of Haywood.
This would all be pre-draft. We could have a couple first round picks when all the dust from the trade deadline settles, not to mention a decent chance of winning the first pick.
lol
1. So from all I’ve been reading it doesn’t sound like it’ll be too easy to void Arenas’ contract…so that’s no guarantee.
2. Caron=9.8mil and Tracy=22.8mil (those numbers have to be very close before having a possibility of going through.) So you want to get rid of Stevenson=3.8mil and James=6.4mil b/c they aren’t good and we’re paying them good money so throw them in the trade. Well then that leaves Houston with too many players so they would have to add 1 cheap player.
3. Jamison=11.6mil and Hickson=1.4mil (again those have to equal up) Z. Ilgauskas has been talked about in connection to a trade similar to this b/c his contract is 11.5mil.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
definitely check the espn trade machine out first to see what could work. I’m with you for getting young guys like Fernandez (love) and Hickson. If we have a shot at Wade then hell yea I’d want that, but we can’t just make out like thieves in these trades.
and why would he want to pay DC Taxes when Florida has no Income tax?
and why would he want to play with that assortment of blech players….?
and why would he want to play in DC (no ties here, no beaches, no ocean-view condos)
To entice an elite player to come to DC, not only would the Wizards have to have a ton of money under the CAP – but they would also have to have a ton of really good players (ready to step up to a Championship level team)….
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well obviously there are going to be kinks with trades between teams needing be ironed out. But caron for mcgrady and Aj for JJ would be the centerpiece of each trade.
Obviously you don’t just trade it straight up like that, I was more simplifying to show how I would like it to end up.
I also realize in the past voiding contracts of players has been extremely difficult, usually impossible i.e. sprewell strangling coach isn’t enough to void?
the difference in our little Gilbert gun case is that he was charged with a friggin’ felony. I mean he plead guilty to a felony! If he goes to jail which he deserves, I feel that it would be pretty easy for the wizards to show he violated the contract, plus the players union kind of seems like they won’t put up that much of a fight on behalf of Gil because they don’t want to seem like they’re defending illegal guns.
I’m curious as to why people still think it would be near impossible to void. Seriously, what leverage does Gil/players union have in stopping the contract from being voided, he’s shit on the contract left and right, (not to mention shitting in Blatche’s shoe!)
just writing this makes me all the more pissed at Gil, he screwed our franchise sooo hard
If Gil gets Jail time....
but that Jail time does not interfere with his contract (ie: he gets 60-90 days) – so Arenas can still show up for Training camp, Exhibition Games, and other “Team Functions”….. then he has not materially breached his contract…
At least, he will not miss any team related activities (practices, games, etc…)… I would think it would near impossible to void his contract…
On the other hand, if he gets 6-months – and his jail time causes him to lose practice time, Training camp, Exhibition games, or regular season games…. then he would be in obvious breach of his contract …..
Felony or not… voiding his contract will all come down to whether he gets jail time, and how much…..
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You also have to take the new CBA into consideration
If the Wizards void his contract, then that just adds fuel to the fire and the Players Union will be a lot less likely to cave on guaranteed contracts and contract length. I can just see Stern saying “The owners have taken a huge loss in recent years and we need to scale back” and Billy Hunter replying “Well the Wizards couldn’t have taken a huge loss. By renegging on their promise to pay Arenas, they are now $80 million richer.”
But if the Wizards don’t void the contract, then the owners can come to bargaining table and say “We just paid a convicted felon $80 million dollars. You have to reason with us here. No more guaranteed contracts.”
by John Park Williams on Feb 8, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."
Put me in the camp that moving Jamison ASAP is the most important move.
I really HATE the idea of trading Jamison to the Cavs, but I’ve come to accept
Rooks deal.
I wouldn’t mind the Caron deal because keeping an unhappy Caron around
will only be a detriment to the team. If he becomes valuable enough to get a
top 7 pick in the summer we should hold on to him.
I like the Knick deal as well. Hopefully we can buy out Eddy Curry. We don’t
need that clown around the team.
Could we drop Daniel Green and/or Budinger for a 2012 pick or is it asking too much?
Those teams probably won’t want to be paying draft picks at that point. Even if they aren’t
high picks with good scouting you can always find a piece.
Rook
great post…this is exactly what i would like to see happen… we still dont have a great sg but i think ny and green can hold that down for a little while
And although Budinger plays SF for Houston....
His game is really better from the outside – and he could be a pretty good SG…. At least, he could challenge NY …. Competition would be good for Nick.
Budinger is not much of a defender, but he’s extremely athletic, can rise up and get his shot over just about anyone, helps on the boards, is intelligent, and he passes well…… (so, he brings more to the table than Nick does…..)…..
In his rookie season Budinger has a better Assist Ratio than Young (11.8% to 7.4%) , a better rebound rate (8.8 to 4.9), with about the same Turn Over rate, shooting percentage, FT % etc….
Budinger is averaging about 8 ppg, 3 rpg and 1.2 apg in only 19 minutes, playing for a Playoff contender (Houston)…. Not too shabby for a second round pick….. but I thought he was a steal…. and thought he should have been picked in the First round last year (anywhere from # 18 on)…. Matter of fact, I liked him better as a prospect than his teammate Jordan Hill (picked 8th in the First round last year). As soon as Budinger gets adjusted to the NBA 3-point line, he’s really going to be dangerous.
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i have always liked chase
Also I think his footing behind the 3 point line will come much faster than JJ redicks has. BTW how nice is steph curry looking. Boy it would have been nice to give him some of gil’s minutes this season and not ny who isnt particularly deserving of it.
Let the record show that....
In a thread detailing ‘dream trades’, there seems to be no precognitive mention of Butler, Haywood and Deshawn for Howard, Gooden, Ross and Singleton.
I’m just sayin’.
Because I never thought, in a million years,
the Wizards would do a trade as stupid as that….
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just fooling around with the trade machine today
and I came up with this
Wizards Get: M. Beasley, U. Haslem, L. Barbosa, Miami 2010 1st Round Pick, Toronto 2010 1st round Pick (via Miami).
Heat Get: A. Stoudamire, J. Richardson, A. Jamison, M. Miller
Suns Get: J. O’Neal, Q. Richardson, Wizards 2010 1st round pick
So, the Wizards would be trading their 2010 1st round pick in exchange for Beasley, 2 non-lottery picks, and the right not to pay Antawn Jamison.
Does anyone else like this trade?
by John Park Williams on Feb 15, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions
also, in my hypothetical trade above
the Suns would release Jermaine O’Neal, allowing him to return to Miami for the playoffs.
by John Park Williams on Feb 15, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Its high risk
I think Miami is in the best situation in the coming free agency.
Money
Superstar
Great City
Taxes
its not worth it to show their hand so early.
Knicks, NJ, or Chicago might sneak up on Wade with a great team and situation.
If anything use Beasly on some kind of additional salary dump.
by forthepeople on Feb 16, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I didnt realize until today that Miami has 2 first round picks
Just studying their roster today I was amazed at their position.
Also, Miami traded their 2009 first round pick to Minnesota, therefore, my hypothetical trade above would not actually work because Miami cannot trade their 1st round pick this year (at least that is my understanding of the rule).
But, if Miami wanted to, they could clear out some serious payrolls for some other teams. I mean, if Miami offered JO’neal and picks to the Warriors for Monte Ellis, Corey Maggete and Radmanovic’s contract, would the Warriors really say no?
Or how about trading Jermaine O’neal to Denver for KMart and Nene. Does Denver really say no?
by John Park Williams on Feb 16, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Traded player exemptions can only be used to obtain ONE player....
and cannot be used in multiple-player trades.
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