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The Strange Case of Javale McGee's Defense

Last week, we featured some of Brendan Haywood's very impressive defensive numbers, and also mentioned some of those posted by Andray Blatche.  But what about the team's very young big-man prospect, Javale McGee?

Last season, his reputation was as someone maybe even more physically gifted than expected, but who wasn't yet advanced enough to do the sorts of things to enter the palace of good play.  This season, he hasn't seen the floor enough to change any judgments, and what he's done while he's been on the court hasn't helped his cause either.

This seems to be a situation where the numbers back up the reputation.  The stats, and some thoughts on his future, after the jump.

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In Javale's rookie season, he blocked shots at the 31st highest rate of any rookie big man (playing 300 minutes or more) ever (going back to the early 70s, since blocks weren't always tracked), blocking more than 5% of shots.  (Some other notable names:  Haywood checks in a few spots lower at 34th, and Jim McIlvaine is 4th.)  In (very) limited minutes this season, he's swatting at a Manute Bol-esque 11% rate.  (How Bol-esque?  Check this out.)  He also got his fair share of defensive rebounds and a quite a few steals for a big man.

Nevertheless, his advanced defensive stats have been awful.  Very unusually so for a big man.  His career defensive rating so far is 109, which is bad.  Most of that was generated last year, when he registered a very unusual season.  Of big men of any age who have blocked shots at a 4% or higher rate, and applying a very low minutes threshold, only McGee and 3 others have posted defensive ratings of 110 or worse, with the others being Chris Mihm, Robin Lopez, and Robert Swift.    Taking a look at the full list of players who have blocked 4% or more with a 108 or worse, there are some big names on there.  Rick Smits makes two appearances, Brendan Haywood in 07-08 makes the list (perhaps helping McGee's case), Lamarcus Aldridge is on there, and there's that Jim McIlvaine again.

This isn't just a "defensive rating" phenomenon, however.  Javale's on/off defensive plus/minus makes a perhaps even worse case for his defensive performance.  Last year, the Wizards' defense was 4 points per 100 possessions worse with McGee on the court than off.  That was enough to take the team's defense from the merely atrocious to the sublimely horrendous, allowing more than 117 points per 100 possessions.  By basketballvalue.com's reckonings, McGee still comes off poorly, though not so badly relative to others in the league. McGee came through looking better than others on the team, and there are many, many names, some of with good defensive reputations, who posted worse numbers.

I spent some time on 82 games looking back at recent big men rookie performances, and came up with very few comparably bad defensive on/offs.  Some of the players I considered likely suspects actually weren't nearly as awful as I expected.  Eddie Curry's Bulls were only slightly worse with him.  Channing Frye's Knicks were better with him.  In fact, among big men who have been in the league long enough to have a track record, and who actually play like big men (I'm not considering wanna-be small forwards like Bargnani), I haven't come up with a comp.  I did, however, find some very recent, somewhat similar players.  Marc Gasol had even worse numbers than McGee last year.  

One more figure to note:  his counterpart PER numbers were bad.  On average, opposing centers produced at essentially an all-star level.

Put it all together and what does it add up to?  An athletically gifted big man who has exceptional volleyball-type skills, but who on net probably isn't really helping with his weak-side defense and who has had a poor showing with his man-to-man defense.  (Unfortunately, Jim McIlvaine didn't make it into the plus/minus era.  I'd have been very interested to see what he looked like.  McGee might, however, already be more advanced offensively than McIlvaine was.)

This is what Draft Express had to say about McGee's defense before the 2008 draft:

After struggling mightily with his on the ball defense during the collegiate season, McGee appears to be making strides as a man to man defender. While the players that he was pegged against were not anywhere near the caliber of the draftees he’s going to be matched against in the upcoming weeks, he did a very nice job of eliminating any separation that opposing offensive players have created. The added explosiveness that JaVale has added has enhanced his closing speed on the defensive end, as if his shot blocking ability weren’t already enough. McGee has already established himself as one of the elite help-side defenders in the draft and seems to be making the right steps to becoming a more complete defender.

So, what might the future hold?  Unfortunately, there is very little to go on--there are so few analogous situations of players who are so statistically productive on defense while so apparently hurting the team's defense, that we just don't have many examples to work with, particularly since the publicly-available plus/minus on/off numbers go back less than a decade.

Perhaps the most hopeful example is the close comp I mentioned earlier--Marc Gasol.  His plus/minus situation has completely turned around this season, with the Grizz performing better on defense with him on the court.  There are also, of course, prominent examples at other positions of players reforming their on/off defensive performance.  

So, the stats certainly don't argue for writing him off, but neither does anything seem to guarantee that he will progress.  What do you think?

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Wonder what he looks like in practice. Its really hard for me to form an opinion either way, without a good amount of actually seeing the guy play. But from an eyeballer’s perspective, he just needs to learn where to be and when to get there.

by jones-y on Feb 3, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

small sample...

but it may get bigger real soon!

by khrabb on Feb 3, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hope so...

To me his biggest defensive deficiency (aside from his need to mature into that frame) is of the sort that only more PT can fix. Defensive positioning. Where to be and when to get there.

On offense, he needs to not post up for a couple years… If I were flip, I’d keep him in motion on the baseline with back picks and up top with high pick and rolls, and watch for the opening for the lob. His offensive repertoire right now should consist of lobs and putbacks. Until he’s had time to polish an offensive move or two.

by jones-y on Feb 3, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice writeup

On Marc Gasol, my understanding was that one reason for his improvement this year is that he lost a bunch of weight and so is able to move around the court a little better, which wouldn’t seem to be the best model for McGee. Are there other things Gasol has done to improve that aren’t body type-dependent?

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Feb 3, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Terrible attitude

Pays the least attention of all the players (including Mike James who has absolutely no reason to), and seems to limit his oncourt activities to moves that could get him on sportscenter. I have never seen a player with less focus than McGee.
However, wouldn’t his on/off numbers be skewed by the fact that he mostly plays in garbage time with the rest of the Wizards B-team, which last year (most of his sample size) would not have passed muster in the D-league?

by morethesamewiz on Feb 3, 2010 2:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

no evidence it is tied to the other reserves

I theorized that myself, but the numbers don’t support it. The player who played more than a few hundred minuted who had an equally bad defensive rating was Butler, but it isn’t as if McGee fared better without him. Most of the same players show up both in McGee’s good and bad lineups. The exception is that lineups with both McGee and blatche were generally OK to good on defense. Probably the biggest potential for him getting hurt by lineups is just that he didn’t get to play with blatche as much as others did.

by bwoodsxyz on Feb 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

only does one thing

just from watching him play a few times, i’d say he can only do one thing well, which is block shots. it seems to me a real NBA player needs to do at least two of the main skills well, and be at least middling in most of the rest that are important for his particular postion. McGee has a long way to go, and doesn’t seem to be learning much. I’m not optimistic.

by stevie on Feb 3, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To those who go to the games

Pay close attention to the Wizards huddle during timeouts. McGee is completely detached from the situation. He watches the Jumbotron literally every second of every timeout. I challenge anyone to provide photo evidence of Mcgee looking at Flip during a timeout. Try catching a shot of BigFoot while you’re at it.
And the coaches ignore him in turn. You’ll see the coaches working with other guys one-on-one during timeouts, not Mcgee.
How can he learn when his mind is on Kiss Cam etc? Seems like he puts more effort into his music producing than basketball, and a Gilbert-esque self-promotion campaign. I bet that Double-pit Axe video was the most focused he’s been on the court in his entire two years.

by morethesamewiz on Feb 3, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He's the perfect center for a running team

as long as he has healthy legs. I just don’t see him doing anything significant for a half-court (read: playoff) team in terms of offense or defense.

by Pryme on Feb 3, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why...

..isn’ t BigDaddyWookie in the D-League anyway? At least getting some PT where it won’t matter to our Wins and Losses…I feel like I’m watching Blatche all over again…waiting for the breakout season! Anyone else feel the same way?

by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Feb 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I too am confused about the D-League

It’s perfect for guys like him. I remember asking Flip about it in training camp, and he said there was no way they were going to send him down then. I wasn’t sure why.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seems to me...

…that would be the perfect place to build a fire in someone…riding the buses to games somewhere in the midwest should humble anybody! He’d be able to make some great cinematography out in South Dakota or where ever our D-team is located!!

by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Feb 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He may not go down because we're so thin at center anyway!

The only thing is, he doesn’t play much anyway….

by WhiteBoy-4-3 on Feb 3, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try next time I get a chance

Gotta go to a practice to get it, and I’ve been working at .com during that time most of the time.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually asked about this at the mgmt dinner

and didn’t get a response. You may have better luck

by ooba on Feb 3, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They need to bring in

a legit big man to coach him. Not to compare him to those guys, but Bynum made huge strides when he started working with Kareem, as did Howard when Ewing went down there. I think I big man that McGee respects would do wonders for his game.

by CJHutch on Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Multimillion dollar investment

and the Wiz let it wither on the vine.

There are only 15 guys on the roster. Why can’t each young guy have a development plan?

The Wiz development of their draft choices has been miserable.

The game is 85% mental at the NBA level. Is JM’s brain cells in NY’s league? If not, he can be taught. What alternative do the Wiz have? Six shooters for everyone in the locker room?

by Izman on Feb 5, 2010 8:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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