NBC rips Arenas
by Messisito on Feb 27, 2010 3:20 PM EST
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I don't know if you guys were watching the Olympics last night around 11:30 when Jimmy Fallon was doing a piece with Bob Costas. He was thanking the Olympics and writing thank you notes while Costas was "playing" the piano. On one of the notes he wrote "Thank You Olympics for the biathlon. We love sports where athletes run around with guns on their backs. In America, we love it when our athletes run around with guns, but we call it the NBA"
opinions? I though it was pretty funny but at the same time rude.
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i agree
Thats straight up disrespectful.
I am the first person to bash Arenas as a player, but there’s no question in my mind he’s a good person who has made bad decisions.
whatever, who cares
I find it strange that anyone would take offense to that. The man brought a gun to a locker room, and a bad comedian made a bad joke about it.
NBC is just bitter than in the 1990’s they had NBA, NFL, and MLB, now all they have are the Olympics.
I haven’t watched two seconds of the damn Olympics. They can joke about my mother for all I care.
by John Park Williams on Feb 27, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions
it's a bad generalization
“In America, we love it when our athletes run around with guns, but we call it the NBA”
It’s no wonder many write off the NBA as a league of thugs.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 27, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
A little off topic but I think it needs to be said...
I’m so tired of using the word “thug” and equating that to African-American athlete in America. It’s almost a form of covert racism we don’t pay attention to enough.
Gilbert deserves to be mentioned as a thoughtless knucklehead who didn’t understand the gravity of the situation. He doesn’t deserve to be labeled, “Thug,” based on the facts thus far.
It’s wrong and people who say that need to take their own inventory about why they feel the need to saddle that label on every black athlete that gets into trouble.
I mean, if merely listening to gangsta rap and owning a firearm is now the prerequisite for “Thug,” my co-host Bill Rohland gets the label too, no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
remind mike wise that shitting in a co-workers shoe is absolutely a thug move. what message do you think was sent exactly? i shit on you and you can do nothing about it. you are beneath me. etc etc. not only did management AND ownership cover it up, they rewarded the guy with nearly a max $100+mm contract and had his image enlarged and showcased as the face of the franchise. how about their best player, kobe bryant, being associated with a rape case. and didnt jason williams get sentenced for murder just last week? lol
the nba is full of thug behavior much more so than any other sports league- at any level. its not a perception, it is a fact.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Why is that a "thug" move?
If Mike Miller or Fabricio Oberto brought a gun into the locker room, I GUARANTEE you nobody would be calling them a “thug”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Gilbert is not a thug
I’ve been around real thugs. You can tell from the way GIl talks he isnt thug,
Les boulez bomber, tell me honestly, do you think GIlbert is really a menace to SOCIETY?
cause thats what a thug is.
actually, on the matter. i think it is a violation of his constitutional right to bear arms and inalieable right to protect oneself. i am an old fashion constitutionalist on the matter. i dont think any good ever comes from disarming honest people- and a lot of bad happens once the honest folks give up their ability to defend themselves against criminals. so arming yourself is not a violation of any law i support. using a gun in a crime is against my beliefs and i feel should be punished if proven. which means threatening someone with a gun is a crime. but he is innocent until proven guilty. i think he admitted to bringing the weapon into the clubhouse so i dont support any legal action against him. i dont know if they could have proven he threatened crittendon, but they probably have cameras in the clubhouse so probably could. i hope that clarifies my positions on the matter- he should not be punished for what he did, but he should be punished if it could be proved he committed assault with a deadly weapon which it seems he did. i dont know if he did and it would not have been hard to prove if they had the cameras running that should be in place any ways.
however, shitting in andray blatches shoes is a thug move. i stand behind that statement. and i also said the nba is littered with thugs. —-see below for the latest
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
shitting in someones shoe is not a thug move. it is a disgusting/wierd joke. No real thug would do some nasty stuff like that. I can tell you havent been around kids that get into trouble. we’re all real people. the only thing that seperates a thug from everyone else is that we arent afraid to do what we want.
he should be punished if it could be proved he committed assault with a deadly weapon which it seems he did.
stop reading tabloids. when people have wrong information, it pisses me off. Gilbert DIDNT THREATEN TO SHOOT ANYONE.
ok mr know it all- lol
if you want to send me your shoes, i have a disgusting/weird joke for you then- lol
(of course i am kidding. but i will let you tell us all how you would simply shrug it off as a joke- lol)
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's pretty much been proven by every non-Vescey account (and even by Vescey himself) that
a) The guns were unloaded
b) Arenas didn’t actually handle the weapons, he just left them on his locker room table
So yes, it is fair to say he didn’t assault anyone.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
you are right mike…what you described above is not assault at all…it is coercion which is also a different felony offense. (look it up!)
regardless, i said before he should be punished if it could be proved he committed assault with a deadly weapon. (which would be expanded to include the coercion offense you described) and i also said i strongly believe in innocent until proven guilty. none of us are in a position to know with certainty and i think he admitted to a lesser offense so we will never know…so what really is the point?
i think you got hung up on my trailer “which it seems he did” . i would have left it out if i had known people would drill down on those couple words and ignore the heart of what i said.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Assault has many legal definitions
You can assault someone without ever actualyl laying a finger on them, and in some cases menacing someone with a pistol can be considerded a form of assault. I love it when people try and defend Gil taking a gun to work as part of his “constitutional rights”. I do believe that gun ownership is important and should be protected, but in no way should anyone be able to bring a gun to their workplace. If I found out someone I worked with was packing every day, even if it was unloaded, I would be worried. Who wouldn’t be? The biology professor who almost single handedly wiped out her entire department with a single pistol would be a good example of this. We shouldn’t have to look over our backs when we’re at work, even if Gil makes a hundred million dollars and drives a gold plated Bentley. Your gun is supposed to protect your home, you don’t walk around with it strapped to your hip all day like some wild west sheriff.
i love how you jumped right into assault and never bothered reading what i wrote…lol
and we are completely on opposite ends on guns. i am an innocent until proven guilty and you already assume the guy carrying the gun is going to open up on everyone- lol
btw- if someone in your office is going to bring in a gun and open up on you, he is going to do it. banning guns does not make you any safer. ironically, i believe it makes you a bigger target.
i think you are going to get the nation you want…but i dont believe you are going to want it in another decade when you finally learn what history has written in the past. but that is neither here or there.
coercion has a pretty straightforward definition. it is a felony offense. and what mike described is coercion.
you can not use a gun to intimidate someone. it is against the law whether handguns are banned separately or not. he pleaded guilty to carrying a handgun. you can joke it was a joke but that really doesnt hold water.
these guys gambled with each other and got into a dispute over payments. the amount owed is significant as defined by the government (over $10k). Following the dispute, one party brought multiple guns into their workplace, laid them out with a note that said pick one. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IF THAT HAPPENED, that is coercion and it is a felony offense. It is not a joke when there is motive and the other party clearly did not receive it as a joke because he brought his own gun to work. Clearly, he was not expecting to share laughs.
fyi, i dont even own a gun. so dont go ranting down that path. and ironically, i do not even think they would have used it. but that is not pertinent either. i repeatedly have said and it is conveniently ignored, i believe gilbert arenas has a constitutional right to carry a firearm- even to work. he does not have a right to use it to commit a crime. he is innocent until proven guilty. we will NEVER know because he pleaded to a lesser offense.
is he a knucklehead- probably. but the law is the law until it is perverted- which it has been in this case. and its a perfect example why there is so much debate on the matter. you might find the 5000 year leap an interesting read.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
This conversation proves that sports aren't immune to social issues...
…if it proves anything. Accordingly, they wouldn’t be immune from racially-coded language (see, welfare politics post-1964) or existing power dynamics and power structures in society. The board consensus is that Gilbert is not a thug (a clown, an idiot, maybe a guy who needs meds, etc) and that this isn’t a second amendment issue – it’s a DC law issue, which Gilbert broke. End of story.
How about this: if les boulez bomber has evidence that gilbert associates with known members of criminal organizations, and that he uses guns in the conduct of criminal business to further the interests of these criminal organizations, we can agree that the use of “thug” in the context of gilbert’s transgressions is racially blind. Absent that proof, another word should probably be used by those wishing to take a rhetorical dump in Gilbert’s shoes.
By the way, anyone who’s interested in the constitutional issue absolutely should read Jeffrey Toobin’s piece from a year or so ago in the NYer that traces the evolution of the interpretation of the second amendment. (Spoiler: the “right” was more or less invented in the past 25-30 years, analogous to Roe’s right to privacy.) I can’t find it right now, but it’s a good read.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Mar 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
i defined my use of thug. you can also read my other posts. you are confusing what i had to say about gilbert and what i had to say about thugs in the nba. they are separate comments
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
fine - so use the standard i propose any time you want to use the word 'thug' in relation to any player, ok?
and also, you said this:
“however, shitting in andray blatches shoes is a thug move. i stand behind that statement. "
So, you know. There’s that.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Mar 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
thanks but i dont need you to redefine a word that i originally defined to provide context for my comments, especially when it happens to match the currently accepted use of the word.
and yes, shitting in someone’s shoe is a thug move. that is not calling him a thug. that is saying he acted like a thug in that situation.
do you have a point other than to twist what i say, misinterpret it, or otherwise just ignore it.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
fine, you're right.
the nba is in dire financial straits and not enjoying a tremendous resurgence. This is all because of the league’s massive thug problem, which no one discussed ad nauseum following the auburn hills brawl.
True story: just by virtue of being a season ticket holder, I became a consultant to David Simon and wrote most of season 3. You know why? BECAUSE I LIVED IT. Thug life, baby.
So here’s what I think: I think you make a lot of assumptions about black men from less privileged backgrounds than your own – that’s my point. I think you’re way off base in your assessment of the league and of many players, and I think you wandered in here to start an argument that is (a) based on faulty logic and demonstrably wrong premises, (b) predicated on incendiary but passive rhetoric, and © actually playing the victim card way too early for someone whose sole purpose is to seek attention.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Mar 1, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
whatever dude…all you do is attack people
and offer NOTHING
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, now that's enough
Guys, don’t make me close the comments on this topic because of the personal attacks. We can talk about these things, but we have to understand this is a sensitive topic and people are going to react in such a matter.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I agree wholeheartedly
don’t get me wrong, a LOT of these guys are knuckleheads who just don’t know how good they have it, but this broad generalization that they’re all “thugs” is idiotic. Latrell Sprewell was a thug. Stephen Jackson probably is too. But the term is used way too loosely these days, and I DO think it is racially biased. And I say this with a long-held feeling that the “race card” gets way too much play these days. But there’s no doubt the NBA gets this branding because it is a predominantly black league. I have not once heard someone call Chris Anderson a thug, but any black player suspended for drugs would surely get that moniker nowadays.
Also, as much as I like love the NFL, there are just as many trouble makers in that league, if not more. It’s just that basketball players are more recognizable as a whole.
Thug = Knucklehead that is not on your team
It’s easy to see the bad in someone if you choose to. It is easy to excuse behavior if you choose to. We all (?) like Gilbert so we see him in a positive light. Of course he’s not a thug to us. Even murderers mothers cry at their trial and call them “my baby”. Someone else might see things differently. Knicks fans never called Spree a thug, but PJ probably had a different opinion.
BTW I think Bill Lambier was one of the first players I recall being called a “thug”.
by MR on Mar 1, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
you're right
about Lambier. Which is why I said “nowadays.” I’ve just found that the term is used way too loosely today. To your point on Gilbert, I can definitely see how an “outsider” would see him as a “thug.” But, at least in my opinion, anyone who has followed him closely realizes that this is not the case. I realize it’s a fine line here, but I don’t equate gun ownership to having a “thug mentality.” And I think bringing them to the locker room was just a stupid, awful decision.
Also, your Lambier reference only adds to my point. Lambier was called a “thug” because of the way he played. Which I’m fine with. Doc Walker uses that reference to playing style all the time. When Doc says we need more “thugs” on the team, I don’t think he’s clamoring for jailbirds.
how about this latest…there is something nearly every week. to deny it is laughable
Alvin Robertson accused of sex trafficking
By J.E. Skeets
As much as I wish it wasn’t so (for mainly selfish reasons; he scored the first points in Toronto Raptors’ history), four-time NBA All-Star Alvin Robertson has had a history of off-court problems.
Check the Wiki rap sheet: In 1997, Robertson pled no contest to four misdemeanor charges of abusing a former girlfriend and was sentenced to one year in prison. Prior to that, in 1990, he did a month in jail for beating his then-wife. And in 2007, Robertson was arrested again on a variety of charges, several related to domestic violence.
But this one? This one is messed up.
From the AP: Alvin Robertson has been charged with sexual assault of a child, trafficking an underage child for purposes of sex and forcing a sexual performance by a child.
Authorities claim the 47-year-old former Spurs, Bucks, Pistons and Raptors guard was part of a ring that kidnapped a 14-year-old girl from San Antonio, forced her to have sex with clients and to dance at a Corpus Christi strip club last year.
Jesus.
The girl escaped her alleged captors, prompting an investigation. Seven people have been charged, including Robertson’s girlfriend.
So far, Robertson is the only one who has not been apprehended.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions
That's like saying there's an investment banker every week that cheats on his wife
Therefore all investment bankers are adulterous.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
no mike it is not. i am not saying all nba players are thugs. i said the nba is littered with thugs. there are a lot of players who are not. but on a per person basis, the nba has a longer rap sheet than any pro sport, and it is not even close. sorry if you do not want it to be true, but it is pretty easily supported i am surprised you would even want to try to defend it.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:09 PM EST reply actions
NBA players are easily recognizable because they dont wear any equipment and their faces are visible. That makes them easily marketable because you can recognize your favorite players. I dont have any facts to support this, but im pretty sure your statement about the NBA having a longer rap sheet than any pro sport is false.
did you read the quote by Mike Wise?
I’m so tired of using the word "thug" and equating that to African-American athlete in America. It’s almost a form of covert racism we don’t pay attention to enough.
Gilbert deserves to be mentioned as a thoughtless knucklehead who didn’t understand the gravity of the situation. He doesn’t deserve to be labeled, "Thug," based on the facts thus far.
It’s wrong and people who say that need to take their own inventory about why they feel the need to saddle that label on every black athlete that gets into trouble.
I mean, if merely listening to gangsta rap and owning a firearm is now the prerequisite for "Thug," my co-host Bill Rohland gets the label too, no?
its becoming apparent to me that you think like that. its kind of sad.
that is a horrible thing to say about someone. you dont even know me and you assert race and finger pointing. ok big man- lol feel good about yourself :-)
mike wise and i are not even referring to the same incident- lol
hello
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
yes but not the gun incident. there are articles out there about his other past incidents too- ala shitting in his teammates shoes. i will reply to prada and leave it at that. this thread is getting too personal when someone disagrees and no one needs that!
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen the rap sheet of NFL players?
Anyway, the per-person way of measuring this is unfair because there are fewer NBA players than NFL, MLB or any other sport.
Honestly, it sounds like you’re saying anyone who breaks the law is a thug. We should be more sophisticated than that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
well, i believe the best way to compare people is to compare people. so yes, a per person way would be the best way to evaluate things. an nfl team has 53 players. an nba team has 15. so they should have about 3 times the good and bad. i do not in any way believe that you could find three remotely comparable incidents in the nfl for every one i can identify within the nba family.
but i dont believe anyone breaking the law is a thug. i agree, that would be silly. thug behavior is associated with gang behavior (look it up!). it is my personal opinion that the nba tolerates gang related associations/imitations/etc more than other professional sports. i know i am not alone in that perception.
it is also my belief that on a per athlete basis, there are more felonies reported by nba players than other sports. if you do not agree with me, that’s fine with me. i dont think this matters much nor does anything to promote either of our happiness in life!
i like the nba. i think they would be a better league with a hard cap and fewer games played- certainly no back to backs! but i dont have a blind eye to its problems. and image is one of them. i am a casual fan, maybe more, so if i feel that way, then my perception probably is not the minority. there are only 15 games on network tv this year (not including playoffs). it has been that way since 2002. in 2000, there were 71. why do you think that is the case? that is a big clue that there is a major problem with the league. could it be its image? i strongly believe it is. i dont believe for one minute that david stern would not salivate at a nba game of the week on a major network. major networks have the big money. and a major network can pay more for a feature game of the week than TNT and any of those other specialty channels. of course, there are other venues, but even hockey has network sponsorship for a game of the week on a national major network.
so you can believe what you want but i think there is a limited audience for people to be paid the way they are and act like thugs, that is, act like they belong to a gang. and every incident that occurs reinforces that perception. and every blind defense of an incident does more harm than good. and as a casual fan to many sports, i can tell you with certainty that more than its fair share comes out of the nba.
i will leave you with this parting though…you do not see this crap in any other pro league between top athletes- in fact arent both recognized as among the 50 greatest of all time? lol
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
so as not to go too far off topic. i will say it again:
there are many players who are great citizens associated with the nba
there are many thugs in the nba
these two statements are not mutually exclusive.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 28, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions
The NBA is full of lots of different people
Every team has a whole lot of strange personalities and the perception fo thugishness does become a catch all to describe lots of strange behavior on their part. The really sad part about this is that one of these days a player is going to shoot someone dead and their career is going to be in the toilet and so will their teams. It is inevitable. To me, that is the part that a lot of these players who walk around with guns really don’t understand; what is the best possbile scenario of you carrying a gun? Someone attempts to rob you and you shoot them in self-defense? Wouldn’t you rather just give up your 100,000 dollar chain and be over with it, rather than ruin your life and career? It just doesn’t make any sense. Using deadly force to defend yourself is not so cut and dry. One of these days some knucklehead is going to whip out his pistol in self-defense and someone is going to end up dead and an athlete is going to be the trigger man, instead of just the catalyst, ala PacMan Jones.
his name is jayson williams and he was sentanced last week
i defined thug as relating/glorifying/imitating gang behavior/membership. if you are defining it differently, then we are talking apples and oranges.
and i dont think there is any doubt that the nba has more thugs than any other pro sports. it has nothing to do with race. i dont act like i belong to a gang. most people i know dont act like they belong to a gang. and i dont want to spend my money on people who act like they belong to a gang. college basketball has a national tv contract as does pro football, college football, golf, and hockey. the nba has 15 of its 1344 regular season games on national tv. so i am not alone. glorifying gang membership/acting like you are part of a gang and all that crap is not recognized to be mainstream america at this point. it might be in your household. but the people with the big bucks do not want to spend it sponsoring people pretending to be hoodlums- even if they are not.
it is a fact. i dont think arenas is a thug. my only point in mentioning all this is hopefully you might realize that MAYBE all the gang nonsense is really a problem and hurting the sport…just maybe you will see it is a lot less about race after all. because tiger woods has the largest endorsement contract in sports, i believe. he is black. but he does not act like he is part of a gang. hmmm…
if you want the truth- follow the money. and the money is not supporting the nba. you can cry racism all you want but there is a lot of big money behind select black athletes. the ones who act like they are part of gangs- the thugs- get less than their fair share considering their talents. it is a problem for the nba whether you see it or want to admit it or not.
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't posted in a VERY long time on here
As a black man, I find your stereotypes to be offensive and your opinions naive & painfully stubborn. I hope you voice these same opinions in person and don’t hide behind your computer screen.
Jayson Williams was being dumb and reckless while under the influence at a party in his house. He shot & killed a man which is unforgivable and was being stupid and careless. He was not being a thug.
I encourage you to read this and tell me if this paints the picture of a thug. http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/01/martin.jayson.tiger/index.html?
Gilbert Arenas brought legally owned guns into the workplace in a city that has particularly strict gun laws (most would argue unconstitutional). This is unfathomable… one does not bring guns into the work place no matter who they are unless their job requires it.
Now, do you feel that a large number of middle aged white men were trying to emulate gang behavior when they entered their work place guns blazing? Would you say their retaliatory actions that came as a result of being fired or laid off were thug behavior?
If you do, then you should realize that the USPS has far more thugs and gangsters than the nba. Salesmen and Lawyers also have an above average tendency towards violence in the workplace.
What nba players do you know that try to act like gangsters? what is your definition of thug/gangster? Is a thug someone who wears wave cap to keep their hair from looking messy? is a thug someone that wears baggy pants? is a thug someone that has a tattoo(s)? Is a thug someone that gets arrested? what is your definition? The only NBA player I can think of that actually TRIES to act like a thug and purports to be a gangster is Allen Iverson.
I think you need to describe your thug/gangster criteria and the NBA players you believe adhere to it. After that we can truly decide whether your opinions are factual and pertinent or farcical and racist. Hopefully doing so will help you realize it too.
by AndraytheJohn on Mar 1, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
i appreciate you did not ignore nor simply twist my words. You asked me questions and then provided your own answers. I don’t agree with them entirely so I will just accept them as your answers to your own questions.
I disagree with your assertion that guns should be outlawed in the workplace, even though I do not own guns nor would like to see them carried at my office. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, which includes not assuming someone with a gun is going to shoot me. I believe it is an important foundational principle of our legal system. But this forum is not really about gun rights so maybe it is best to leave that there.
Which pretty much leaves us with are there many NBA players that act like thugs- that is, they glorify gang life. Clearly, you do not believe so. I believe there exists a culture larger than just AI. But my main point which I hope you take home is that the behavior- whatever you want to call it- is negatively impacting pro basketball. And as a fan who would love to watch Wizzards game on tv rather than over the internet, I felt it is worthwhile to share what I believe is wrong with the sport in the hopes it corrects itself and becomes widely available. I sense strongly that a some people feel that I am off on my reason why the sport is under-represented. Don’t shoot the messenger… You have to admit, 15 games on network television over the course of a six month season and over 1300 games played is pathetic considering how popular the sport of basketball is in this country. Why do you think the networks have moved from airing 71 games a year to 15?
by les boulez bomber on Mar 1, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough.
The thing I’m asking is…
In your opinion, what are the things that describe “gang life”? I would appreciate it if you could elaborate and name some these things that “many NBA players” do.
You may have a very valid point in the end, I’m simply asking you to explicitly explain the behavior you’re talking about and then list lets say… a subset of 10 – 15 of the NBA players that exhibit it.
by AndraytheJohn on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to make a point
back it up.
by AndraytheJohn on Mar 1, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
As always, lets make Steinberg have his say in the argument...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/luke_scotts_gilbert_arenas_mom.html
Read this article that Dan Steinberg posted about Orioles DH Luke Scott, who admittedly has brought guns into the locker room. His he now a “thug”? This is a great article to read, period. And particularly good for this thread…
Karl Malone
is the Luke Scott of the NBA. He’s a big gun enthusiast and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ever brought a weapon into the locker room. Did he ever comment on the Arenas situation?
Wow, I think those quotes from writers in that link are ridiculous, people are so alarmist. Such sensationalism.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Mar 1, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Karl Malone is a pedophile and a complete POS
One of the worst human beings the NBA has produced.
by BayAreaBullet on Mar 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
is he?
I can’t say I’ve really payed much attention to him. All I know is he likes guns and drives 18 wheelers.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn't just talking about Arenas
A lot of NBA players (Artest, Jackson, West, just to name some of the recent ones) have gotten in trouble for gun possession/wielding/discharging. Proportionately more than any other major sports league. Get over it. Everyone gonna cry now because a current Wizards player can be included in jokes about gun-toting NBA players? Boo hoo.
Whatever Happened to Thick-Skinned People?
I can’t believe that so much was made out of a Jimmy Fallon joke. He jokingly made a connection between the Biathlon and the Arenas/Delonte West incidents and many here appear to be greatly offended and/or making references to an alleged thug culture in the NBA. Do you guys really think that Jimmy Fallon was making a deeply satirical comment to get people thinking about thug culture in the NBA? The guy who starred in “Fever Pitch”? Really?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I don't believe he was for a second
Some people decide to use quotes/events like this to reach and make associations with their own beliefs.
by AndraytheJohn on Mar 1, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
same here.
i just got worked up by other people in this thread piling on in support of how his comments might be perceived. fallon’s joke was obvious and not that funny, but 100% harmless.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Mar 1, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
children- let it go. it is bedtime. we get it. you oppose my view with no offsetting considerations. night, night
by les boulez bomber on Mar 2, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions
this is newmaniumreveler, by the way.
i’m multiple-handles-challenged.
by abstractcitizen on Mar 2, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
My opinion is you are racist. There you go, i just wanted to put it out there. if you disagree, whatever
efff u for crossing the line. u dont know jack about me and are just kicking up dead horses so you can worm in some more name calling….nice touch winna
by les boulez bomber on Mar 4, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
no worries. i liked your posts on earlier threads when you were discussing the wizzards new play/AB! i think ted will bring a stable, competitive franchise when the dust settles and am very excited about that :-)
by les boulez bomber on Mar 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
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