Why do y'all hate LeBron so much?
I don't want to seem like an idiot here...I'm aware of most of our history with LeBron. But I was really young when the rivalry was born so I didn't really experience it. As a result I just don't feel the same abject hatred of the guy that most of the members of this blog seem to feel. They beat us many times in the playoffs, there was the crab dribble, the Songaila "punch", the Jay-Z song, etc., but none of it seems to warrant, for example, not wanting LeBron to play here next year (if that were actually possible). So my question is why? Why do most of you dislike him so much that you seriously woulnd't want him to play here next year?
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his personality
he just appears to be totally self-absorbed, pompous individual and a poor sportsman.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 22, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not a chance.
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Of course.
You’d have to be a fool not to want Michael Jordan on your team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Feb 23, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OMG
you sir…
how many times can I rec this thing?
by MR on Feb 23, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that's not sarcasm MR.
Look, I hate Lebron as much as all of you. The fact remains however, that he is by far the best player in the game. Look at that team he took to the Finals. Sure, the East sucked then but still…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
I think the joke here is that we did have Michael Jordan on our team
Even if he was old man Jordan.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He thought I said something funny when I was totally serious.
Oops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Maybe I should rephrase that
“You’d have to be a fool not to want Michael Jordan in his prime”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
And the really funny part
is that he was a disaster for our franchise.
I thought that was the funniest post of the year.
by MR on Feb 23, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I will not recognize him as the best until he wins a championship. For now Kobe is better.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 23, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Look
I feel for you. You’ve lived your whole life with the best players in the game being Lebron, Kobe, Mello. All of them are grade A egomaniacal jerks. You don’t know what a statesman-like player is like. Someone like Stockton, Magic, Bird, Robinson, Olajuwon…
Spend a little time watching Duncan, Kidd, Garnett while you can. Compare them to a guy like Lebron. Watch him during a game. Watch his attitude. Watch what he does. Watch him walk away after a loss and not talk to other players. Watch him showboat when he’s ahead and sulk when he’s behind. Watch him get all the calls in the world but whine anyway.
He’s got no class, no humility, and no awareness of his own all consuming ego.
by MR on Feb 22, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't mind Melo
Though I think he gets off lucky because Billups can be the pulse of that team.
There are some superstars who I generally consider to be good guys. CP3, for one (very gracious off the court, but ferocious on it). Dwight Howard. Dirk. Yao when he was healthy. Wade. Nash. Brandon Roy. Even Deron Williams, who I’m kind of lukewarm on.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Agree with all those guys you like
Mello…well the “Don’t Snitch” video was a pretty awful message for crime-torn inner city youth. and the general awfulness of the Denver team I think rubs off on him in my mind. Not as bad as Kobe or Lebron, though. You’re right. But not exactly an ambassador of the game.
I do think Melo has grown up a lot since then
Though it helps having Billups there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Eh, I won't go that far
Both are hugely important. Melo’s definitely the best player by far, but Billups relieves a lot of the leadership load from him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
my opinion of the Dont Snitch incident changed immensely after watching the wire
when you consider that the baltimore drug dealers are usually the ones footing the bill for school supplies and their AAU teams, and that “snitches” are often used by the police system, I can totally understand where Melo was coming from.
In an ideal world, obviously we want people to feel comfortable talking to the police.
But after watching the show, it is evident that if you grow up poor in Baltimore, your life revolves around the drug corners, and talking to the cops is basically a death sentence for yourself, and the institution around you.
by John Park Williams on Feb 23, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Melo is turning into a true professional.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 23, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Also Pride comes before the fall. I hope its a big fall
by MurlandTerps on Feb 23, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
basically summed up how i feel about him.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 23, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
He suffers from spoiled child syndrome
He’s got no class, no humility, and no awareness of his own all consuming ego.
That pretty much sums it up, but I would argue that he is fully aware of his ego. He has been raised a tool for selling, a product to be sold. He acts the way he does because he knows it IS about him, he can’t help but argue every call, he can’t help but call out everyone else that doesn’t fall into line. His face after the Denver game had the look that said “I’m taking my ball and going home”. He needs a good whooping. I wish Arenas had decked him in the face when he put his hand on him at the free throw line back in ’06. To have a moniker like King James without having accomplished anything is absurd.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Feb 23, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
almost
I wish Arenas had decked him in the face when he put his hand on him at the free throw line
peed my pants laughing at this one. That’s hilarious.
To have a moniker like King James without having accomplished anything is absurd.
Not to mention a tattoo that says ‘The Chosen One." He’s more of a narcissist than T.O. And you know he’s been like that for a long time, which is why he had a production company do his “documentary” when he was in high school.
Are you seirous? Garnett is the worst of them all
He still acts like an 18 year old. His yelling and chest pounding is really really annoying and he doesn’t seem to realize that his antics were no longer entertaining by 2005. I think Garnett is a big punk. I would pop him in the mouth if he taunted me like he does everyone else whenever he makes a good play. At least LeBron acts like he’s done it before. He doesn’t talk as nearly as much trash as Garnett.
He's yelling more than he used to
His chestpounding has increased while his production has decreased
by Blag on Mar 1, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In addition to his poor sportsmanship
He absolutely destroyed us three years in a row. That first series where he traveled on two game winners. Then he came back the next year, psyched Gilbert out at the free-throw line, and hit damon jones for the open 3.
I’ve been on the wrong end of too many of his plays for me to ever want to see him in a Wizards uniform.
That was the same series
The next year they swept us cuz we were injured
by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 23, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's his rip-off of KG's powder routine
That’s where it started. These days, it’s things like little dance routines preparing for a game. And continually complaining about not getting calls, even as he fouls others. Complaining about travel calls, which should be much more frequent. He’s a good player, but he’s not great in the style of Jordan, Bryant, KG, Magic, Bird, etc. He’s a baby.
God you hit that nail on the head with the powder thing
How can he make that “his thing” when he just stole it from KG? Whenever I see it I picture all the people working at that front table getting chalk all over all their papers and equipment.
Let’s not forget:
• The Xmas day uniform switch
• The dunk tape confiscation
• Stiffing the wait staff
• Suggesting that if he was going to give up MJ’s number everyone should have to
• “if I dedicated myself to the game of football, I could be really good”
• He is a Yankees fan and a Cowboys fan
Do I need to go on?
by MR on Feb 23, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Well said, well done
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 25, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
Excellent!
Remember that story where a couple of teenagers were watching him do a shootaround, when one gave him a light behind-slap. James turned around, and according to the article immediately went off on a string of profanities before telling his teammates an exaggerated version of what happened, all the while glaring at the teenagers. Whatever happened to that “Lebron cares” crap.
Memories of LeBron
Hoping I’m not too much older, let me recall my very first LeBron memory, the February 18, 2002 SI cover shot: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cover/coverlarge0218.jpg
Tearing your hate-filled, transfixed eyes from that most stupid face, note the caption: “The Chosen One.” Here my LeBron hate was conceived, when he had yet to prove anything.
History is history, LeBron won two more state championships, signed a $100 million Nike contract, and was picked first overall the following June. He was a fairytale, and EVERYBODY awaited Michael Jordan’s heir like the messiah. “Who cares about the NBA” said the casual fan. The media-annointed, commercial-friendly, “King” was crowned, and then crammed down our throats on endless SportsCenter-Top Ten-Highlight looped replays. Of course the 03-04 Cavs sucked, but LeBron, Rookie of the Year, was “on pace.” Always on pace. (“Just look at these graphics!”) So merciless was the blitz that many accepted Him. Perhaps most unforgivably, LeBron accepted and ran with his mantle, as easily as if he were just accepting a life appointment.
Maybe you saw the 2002 Western Conference Finals, or read about Tim Donaghy, or have seen Kobe Bryant or DeWayne Wade get away with a travel more than once. But I’ll point out that any NBA fans are hardened conspiracy-theorists, and, as in life, you have to take them with a grain of salte. Fans are not always rational, and it’s okay. But, in the eyes of diehards and casual observers alike, the League has undoubtedly given each of us something to shrug at over the years.
This rambling stream-of-conscious converges in the 2006 playoffs, the first time the Wiz and Cavs met. Wizards fans had high hopes, and having brushed aside decades of playoff futility the previous year, the Wizards appeared to be at a promising beginning. On the other side, Cleveland was making its first playoff appearance of the “James Era,” its fans suffering an agonizing seven-year drought, and life in Cleveland. What ensued is the stuff of modern NBA legend. All six games were hardfought, and two pivotal games were decided in the final 6 seconds on overlooked LeBron travels. Going in, I suspected I already hated LeBron because of his hype machine. I can’t enumerate the questionable calls of that series because, as an angry person, I can’t remember them. But I can’t forget the shrugging, the “reverse-akimboing”, and the wild gesticulating; and the look of the frowning, squinting, nose-crinkling, pouting, and tooth-gnashing grimaces of that fat face filling my TV screen with all its incredulity—on every call and non-call. The Wizards weren’t playing like anything I’d ever seen in my DC sports-fandom, refusing to fold immediately—even upping each ante (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxI8MA1Ggyw, 1:00 mark). In a span of two minutes, the sportsman in LeBron set the bar for douchebaggery, and then took the game on the wings of the weasliest hack-chucker ever to play with him.
And after this crybaby beat my team, at various levels of handicap, year and again, out of one side of his mouth he took lame cheapshots, while on the other denying the drama of the whole saga. Worst of all, today SportsCenter broadcasts his version of history.
This was only the beginning, but there are billions of minutiae and subtlies everywhere in between. New shit is always coming to light. As the chief says, “Bake ’em away, toys”
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by ArvydasEnvy on Feb 23, 2010 1:10 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Did you see have lebron acted after D.Howard stood in his and denied him at the end of that game. It was all over SportsCenter? Just one of the many reasons why I do not like him.
It all really started with him getting away with the travels against us in that series and both of those play were the game winners.
And i have said this before, How he thinks he is entitled to be called already one of the greatest to ever play. And excuse me french but he is not entitled to S*** because he has not won a championship and he has only gotten there once. He couldnt even beat Hedo and Dwight Howard.
I pray to God that he will never win a champioship.
And a little of topic I hope Durant would have as many championships possible. I love the whole thunder or excuse me sonics team.
I hope he goes out in the first round to Charlotte when Gerald Wallace shuts him down
And he throws a hissy fit.
yeah he's just basically a grade A a**hole
like after that crabdribble game last year, after which he said that he looked at the replay of that travel and still wouldn’t admit that it was a travel and that the refs were trippin. i mean, LeBron i know you didn’t go to college. but that shouldn’t keep you from being able to count to 3.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 23, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The whining, the whining, the whining.
Everything that LeBron does screams “spoiled little kid” to me. He whines about every call, even when he gets the vast majority of them, flops like he’s Manu Ginobili, even though he’s twice Manu’s size and mows over people with the best of them, and pouts like he was turned down for the prom when he loses.
Look, the guy can play – he’s the best in the league, no denying it – but when it comes down to it, he’s that asshole in a pickup game that takes three steps, jumps into four people, throws the ball at the vaguely at the rim and calls “Ball!” every time.
The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.
by mamemimo on Feb 23, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was going to submit my reasons for hating LeBron
But oh my god, my lip is bleeding!!
by disgrunted on Feb 23, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
"they're trying to hurt me!"
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 23, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
X1000 if i could. This one wins
by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 23, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
This should be a running thread until he retires… I could do this for years.
My swag was phenomenal.
I've gone over this before…
But I’ll say it again.
The sense of entitlement has produced a whining crybaby, who expects every foul call in his favor, dabs his lip and stares at his finger even if there was no contact to his face, and says the referees, the NBA, and the rulebook are all wrong when he clearly travels. Not to mention he constantly pouts when things don’t go his way, and showboats when things do. He’s a freakish athlete, but the “chosen one” really buys into his own hype, and there’s nothing that gives me more peace than to see him fail. Well, that or seeing the Wizards win. And when the Wizards cause him to fail? Utter ecstasy.
My swag was phenomenal.
I have already lost love for Jamison after I saw laughing with the King.
I wonder how he feels playing for the team that broke his heart 2 years in a row.
by MurlandTerps on Feb 23, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
zl - more relevant question -
why do you NOT hate L. Bron Hubbard?
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions
You're ALL bastards
I guess I’m late to the party. Everytime I started to type something, I found someone else already said it.
OK, how about this. He got a $50,000 car loan based on FUTURE EARNINGS. Was there ever any doubt he would live as far outside of reality as possible?
by CJHutch on Feb 23, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Just imagine what would happen if he were to suddenly break both his legs and not be able to play basketball again
And in the process tear his face up and get himself into a scandal….haha he’d be bankrupt.
i think you just went a bit far
i mean, i dont wish anything like that on the dude. Its not like hes hurting anybody. Hes just really arrogant.
More Queen Crab...
The one time he gets called for a travel in the Verizon Center, during a meaningless game with both teams on two ends of the standings, he cries as if he hadn’t gotten away with plenty of travels on that floor that had much more of an impact. He not only cries about it, he gives it a nickname “THE CRAB DRIBBLE” Which then gives us more ammo to make up nicknames like the one in my subject line. Like Mr. Butler said(I think) a “crab dribble is when you travel.”
That moment was the one time that I was truly shocked watching a basketball game. It felt like getting a 10,000 lb gorilla off of our backs. Lebron called for a travel at the end of the game, pure ectasy!
by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 23, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well, zl, I think that the community has given you more than a few reasons why we don't like LeBaby
Bottom line: We just don’t want to cheer for a douche.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
You would cheer for him if he were on your team, c'mon.
Deshawn Stevenson was a complete douche and you all cheered for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
To this day
I still cheer for DeShawn. For my money, he said exactly what was on my mind, and in just the words that came to his own mind. Sure he brought undue negative attention to the 2008 “Rewriting the Rules” series, but I can’t fault a guy for speaking his mind AND being 100% correct. LeBron IS an entitled douche.
Plus, the emotion in that series was amazing. It’s all coming back to me!
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That's fine.
All I’m saying is, if Lebron were on the Wizards winning 60 games a year you wouldn’t be complaining about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Well, no
Because I’d have renounced the NBA.
by ArvydasEnvy on Feb 23, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It would be very hard for me to be a Wizards fan
if LeBron were on the team…. Fortunately, I won’t have that problem.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Lets not idealize the past though
In order to be totally dominant in a professional sport, you absolutely have to have an extremely inflated ego. Micheal Jordan’s hyper competitiveness is legendary. MJ was always a tool, but when you’re that transcendent like he was, isn’t it expected? Its not as if this selfishness and arrogance is new… Oscar Robertson would often yell at his teammates for minor mistakes, and Wilt Chamberlain didn’t give a shit about his team. The guy was obsessed with never fouling out in his entire career, and as a result didn’t play defense late in games. Certainly, many of LeBron’s actions are inexcusable, but a certain level of douchebagness is necessary to perform with such high expectations.
To my knowledge, the Big O never said disparaging remarks about another player’s girlfriend….
Wilt never stiffed a waiter for a tip..
MJ never confiscated video of a college kid dunking on him.
Chamberlain didn’t “look for blood” every time someone fouled him…
There are some “elite” players that have shown some less than perfect personality traits….
but LeBron takes “entitlement” to an entirely new level.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Why do you assume its his fault that he's a total douche bag?
Wouldn’t all of us been the same if we had been anointed the “Chosen One” at age 16 or whatever?
C’mon, this is all going too far. If the Wizards win the #1 pick in 2003 and pick Lebron James, you’re all rooting for him and excusing his behavior right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
you absolutely have to have an extremely inflated ego.
Not true at all. You’ve just picked out many who are like that.
Tim Duncan? Magic? Kidd? Nash?
How about Barry Sanders?
by MR on Feb 24, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
even so
an “an extremely inflated ego” is one thing. I can actually take that, and kind of expect it. But there is NO humility. He doesn’t whine because he wants a call. He whines because he EXPECTS it. I grew up watching Jordan. I always knew he was kind of an asshole. And yes, he begged for calls too. Magic, one of my favorite players ever, was known for it. But they both TOOK what they wanted. They didn’t expect it to be handed to them, which LeBron does, as evidenced by his storming off the court after the Magic knocked him outta the playoffs last year. There is no doubt in my mind he went in the locker room and threw a temper tantrum like the baby he is.
by CJHutch on Feb 24, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely right.
The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.
And then there was LeBron's Jesus campaign.
I don’t know of any other athlete (or professional wrestler, for that matter) who ever had an ad campaign comparing him to a religious figure. The dumb “King James” references; the huge banners outside the Cavs’ arena showing LeBron with his arms outstretched in his best Jesus-on-the-cross pose, looking upward at a heavenly light; the “Witness” t-shirts. But why stop there? Why not incorporate biblical references in the pregame videos? “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no opponent; and I will slash to the hoop for the and-one”; “The ball is my shepherd, I shall take it to the rack.”; blah blah blah.
by satchmore on Feb 24, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
ugh.....the "Witness" marketing campaign drives me batty.
I feel sorry for the people in the stands that wear those shirts.
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk - Tuco
by ravoriobulleterpitals on Feb 24, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing all this hate for Lebron makes me feel funny feelings. On one hand i’m upset there’s so much hate for my favorite player, on the other hand every bit of criticism i see and hear will make it even sweeter when we finally win.
P.S. The “travels” in that first playoff series between our teams are a myth. I saw every minute of every game that series, i’ve seen the replays dozens of time. No travel. If another player did it to my team i wouldn’t think it was a travel. Maybe the guys who think those were travels should study up on how the travel rule is interpreted.
Ha ha ha you're ridiculous and your handle's days are numbered
You better jump on KnicksLebronFan while it’s still available.
The only way the knicks have a shot is if they really manage to get either bosh or wade to go with him. IMO the Bulls, Nets and Miami are more likely to steal him from us. But i still think we have the best odds.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 24, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, so you're saying you're allowed to slide both your potential pivot feet after making a jumpstop?
Because that’s what LeBron did on that shot in 2006.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
he's right, it's not a travel
if you’re the “Chosen One”. The rules are different.
Anyway, my disgust for Lebron really doesn’t have anything to do with the Wizards. I realize that he is one of the 2 best players in the league, so it doesn’t “pain” me that he beats s time and time again. Now, don’t get me wrong, it sucked when it happened. But I was able to get past it, knowing the better player/team really did win. I will not dwell on the fact that LeBron knocked us out of the playoffs all those years, because I was more frustrated with MY team then with the fact that he beat us.
As for the Cavs fans, I am OK with them having there “day in the sun.” Lord knows they needed it, what with the greatest player in the history of the game having tortured them for years on end. You wanna see a fan base that KNOWS the humiliation of having their heart ripped out year after year by the best player in the game? Look no further than Cleveland.
Are you saying you think i’m trying to “bait” you guys? I’m not, i saw a bunch of anti-lebron comments and i replied from a lebron fans perspective. I wasn’t rude or insulting to anyone here i was just communicating how someone on this side of the fence feels. I’m sorry if you think i was trolling, that wasn’t my intention.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 24, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
might have misread you
but if you’re not baiting, then you’re clueless. sorry to say it. (thinking the game 3 winner wasn’t a travel pretty much confirms it.)
will make it even sweeter when we finally win … LOL. no subtext there!
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 24, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
First off
Your city blows. I’m originally from Pittsburgh, arrived in DC for school. We own you guys. Cleveland is pathetic. Go watch the “Still Cleveland tourist videos.” Nuff said.
Second off here is video evidence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74&feature=related . Go to around the 35 second mark. I count five steps in slow motion. Regardless, it is impossible to deny he took four steps. Obvious ones as well. Sorry, that isn’t close.
Oh, did I mention your city blows? You haven’t seen a championship celebration ever unless you are very old. And newsflash, you never will.
Pretty clear evidence
I believe that after a jumpstop you are not allowed any more steps. He takes 2 more.
I’m not from Cleveland. It’s just that by coincidence i become a big fan of basketball right around the time the Lebron hype started before the 2003 draft so i decided i was going to be a fan of whichever team drafted him. So i’m not a browns or indians fan (luckily). I saw my baseball team celebrate a few months ago and i saw my football team celebrate in 2006.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 24, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
so basically you are a bandwagon fagaliers fan because of lebrick
congratulations you have achieved a new low in your sports fandom.
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 25, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
So your saying anyone who doesn’t live in a city with a NBA team is not allowed to be a fan or if someone does live in a nba city they’re not allowed to be a fan of another team.
I don’t live in an NBA city, so using your argument no matter what team i went for when i was choosing i’m a bandwagon fan? That’s a “new low”? Luckily for me i don’t measure the legitimacy of my fandom based on what other people think. But still it’s pretty sad to think like that.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 25, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
You're a fan free agent.
I don’t blame you for choosing LeBron. LeBron is just ugh in my book :). I was a fan free agent when I was younger (I’m from Montana) so I chose the Cardinals (baseball and my family lives in St. Louis) and once I settled in Maryland… I chose the Wizards.
It’s just the blatant arrogance of LeBron that kills me.
By deduction
That means you are Yankee fan and Colts fan? Or perhaps Steeler fan (they won the superbowl in the 2005 season, but the actual date was in 2006). Hmm…
dude
c’mon, we are above that. this guy hasn’t said anything terrible
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
wait ... you are serious?
He jump stopped and then took two more steps. Not even the biggest homer of all time can defend that play (and it wasn’t even the only travel).
Georgetown went to the final four while I was in grad school there and had season tickets (which were ridiculously cheap for pretty good seats) and I can still admit that Jeff Green blatantly traveled on the last play in that regional final (I think it was a regional final at least).
by Manimal Smith on Feb 24, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that
Green won me my tourney pool with that travel. I was rooting hard for Gtown, and in real time I was thinking…hmmm…he might have traveled there. After seeing the replay I was sure. Still, I took my money with no qualms!
Please tell me this is not a travel

by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 24, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I see 2 steps after the last bounce. 2 steps are allowed.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 24, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon dude
Its crystal clear. After the last bounce….He takes half a step, then a jump stop(if you don’t know basketball rules a jump stop = two steps). He then takes two steps after the jump stop. Thats nearly 4 and a half steps!!! You can’t be that star struck by him to not see that travel. There are some travels that are “iffy” this isn’t one of them. Thats about as clear as a travel as you will ever get.
by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 24, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
You're right, he did take two steps
Then he slid both pivot feed and jumped again off two feet. I’m pretty sure that’s not allowed.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 24, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no its not. Ur an idiot. A jump stop counts as a step.
He moves is freaking pivot foot. And he had an up down on that basket that wasnt called
by MurlandTerps on Feb 25, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The animated gif your replied to shows Lebron:
1. Picking the ball up before his hop-step (this is close, but it’s clear he’s cradling the ball while his right foot is still on the ground).
2. Jump stop (committing up and down — this happens in the NBA a lot, but it’s a clear violation).
2. Small step, right foot (establishing left as pivot foot, if we say he hasn’t traveled yet).
3. Huge step with left foot (commits travel).
4. Jumping up to score a hoop that shouldn’t have been allowed (and then crying for a foul on a guy whose chest he jumped into).
A picture is worth a thousand words
And an animated gif of The Chosen One taking two steps after a jump stop is worth ridiculing this blind Cavs fan some more.
Cavslebronfan you are a complete retard
if you think those plays weren’t travels. If you are serious and not joking then I believe that you are as delusional as your favorite player, who by the way is a prissy-whining-moaning-bad sport-egomaniac-insecure-oversized infant-asshole.
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 25, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lebron could go to the Clippers
They have money to give him a max deal, and they are relatively well-stocked at every position but small forward. Baron Davis + Eric Gordon + Lebron + Blake Griffin + Chris Kaman has got to be very appealing. However, there is the Clippers’ injury curse…………..
Well since all the good reasons are taken
I’ll go with his most recent annoying habit: this constant cry for help. Don’t get me wrong, even the best players can’t do it alone, but with James it’s like a built-in excuse.
If I recall correctly, Duncan won his first ring with a bunch of old guys, then a mixture of old and young guys. Robinson was a fading star for the first one and Tony Parker wasn’t even a household name until the later ones (and weren’t they trying to trade Parker for Kidd at one point?)
MJ had Pippen and a bunch of role players and specialists; after that squad broke up you’d be hard-pressed to see any of those guys win elsewhere (except for Kerr, who went to Duncan’s Spurs!)
The 2004 Detriot Pistons had a squad where each player covered for the other player’s faults. A thing of beauty, but a rarity.
The Lakers, Heat and Celtics of recent won with at least two All-Stars, at least one guy who was the main scorer on another team, a few “He’s still playing?” guys and a bunch of players that, if they formed their own 10-man team wouldn’t beat the Wizards of last year. When these teams were making their push, you heard a lot of the “help talk?” Why? Because they weren’t really teams, just a fanboy collection brought to life. for these teams, it wasn’t about having roles as much as creating matchup problems (“With Kobe, Shaq, Payton and Malone, no one will ever double-team us! MUAH-HA-HA-HA!”) with no regard to chemistry.
That’s a big problem I see with this Cleveland squad (besides a shaky coach and a nervous fanbase). The GM is panicking because LeBron is nowhere near as loyal as Duncan (or even Kobe) and he brought every “name” he could find to coax his star to stick around. But what’s to say that James would stay even if he wins in Cleveland this year?
Meanwhile, the media is letting every past playoff letdown slide because “James didn’t have any help.” I can understand how early on the GM didn’t know how to build around the guy, and that’s because (1) James is a unique player and (2) the GM is a panicky nimrod. But James’ ego isn’t helping; he shouldn’t be this involved in the team evaluation process.
But it doesn’t matter because everything is planned out: The Cavs win, James is truly the “Chosen One” (and then the real haters will come out of the woodwork); the Cavs lose, and it’s because the GM didn’t get the right people, or he got them to0 late to mesh correctly with the “King.”
by Pryme on Feb 24, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I lost you at “hes not as loyal as Kobe”, so the guy who was demanding a trade because he was unhappy with the guys the team put around him is more loyal than the guy who has never demanded a trade, never even came close to it and who has never threatened to leave.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 24, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
So your inside his head? From what i heard he was demanding one and the Lakers would have traded him if they didn’t get incredibly lucky with the Gasol trade. Do you really think he’d have played the last 3 years with them if they looked they’d be exactly like the 3 previous years?
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
it's has less to do with being a mind reader
and more about observing how people (in general) and basketball players (specifically) behave in these kinds of scenarios. Kobe isn’t the first star player to be offered a chance to play somewhere else.
I see your point but i’m just saying if the Lakers didnt get Gasol i think Kobe would have left. And i’m not saying he wanted to leave, just that he’d have run out of patience if he was faced with another season like the previous 3.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 26, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I usually think that the easy is also wrong
except for hating LeBron: it’s easy and very right.
What’s up with the Cavs throwback jersey matching the Knicks’ colors? I know it’s probably historically accurate, but it seems like it’s just giving LeBron enough time to design the perfect matching sneakers for next year in Manhattan.
Also, how come such an “intense” defensive players has 7 games this season where he didn’t commit a single foul?
http://www.emptythebench.com/2010/01/26/lebron-james-fouls/
The only positive thing I can say about LeBron and the Cavs is that the whole sword-of-Damocles-hanging-over-your-head with the “will he/won’t he” in 2010 is interesting from an anthropology-of-sports-fandom perspective. Do you embrace whole-heartedly now knowing he might break your heart in a few months, or do you hold back just a little bit until you know he’s yours? Except I don’t sense any ambivalence from Cavs fans – just slavish devotion. Hope selling your soul as an honest and boozy sports town filled with good people was worth it!
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Feb 24, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Damocles? I think Cleveland’s story is more like Sisyphus.
by MR on Feb 24, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
how about "sword of 'i won't feel bad for Cavs fans if he leaves'"?
Either way, LBJ’s youth will provide an entertaining b-plot for my NBA viewing experience during the next 10-15 years. He’ll be just as despicable if he ends up somewhere else…
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Feb 24, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
You think he's going to play till he's 35 or 40?
a 17-22 year career?
I think he’ll wear down before that.
by MR on Feb 24, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
i hope he retires and trysout for the cleveland browns
by MurlandTerps on Feb 24, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, right
they can play up that “he’d be great at football” crap all they want. What do you think happens the first time Ray Lewis hits him? He’d whine his way right on out of the stadium, right back to the basketball court.
by CJHutch on Feb 24, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree
He’ll get a ton of records, I’m sure. But he won’t last to his mid to late 30’s. At 18-20 he was playing a tough 82 game season, while MJ, Dr. J, and those guys spent those years playing less than half that in college. That’s why, at 31, Kobe resembles more of a 35 year old Jordan. Don’t get me wrong, he’s still the best in the league (just like MJ), but it’s almost like his body is aged beyond its years. And, the way LeBawl plays, his career may be even shorter.
Oh ok.
But T-Mac has had back problems since the beginning. I don’t think general wear and tear chases LBJ out of the league before age 33 or so. He is in his 7th season, my guess is that he plays another 7 or 8.
There is an article out there
that talks about Prep to Pro players who’s body are breaking down at an earlier age than those who went to college for a couple years.
Bron Bron game is like a linebacker while Mcgrady is probably more like a princess.
Put it this way.
LeBron made me stop hating Kobe.
I used to really hate Kobe. The arrogance, the MJ wannabe, chasing Shaq away. Now I don’t really mind. I can accept the arrogance – but at least Kobe was never a baby. (Well, kinda with Shaq at the end there.)
The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.
by mamemimo on Feb 24, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HA
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. I didn’t want Kobe to win anymore rings cuz I didn’t want him to catch MJ. Now I don’t mind. Besides, at least I can say he got his first 3 because of Shaq. Which is funny, cuz if Lebawl wins this year, I guess can say the same thing, huh? You KNOW Shaq will.
yeah, the worst thing he ever did to basketball fans...
…was make us root for Kobe. It’s like how the French national team made me (a Brazilian) root for Italy in 2006. I’ll never forgive them for that.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Feb 24, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
What?!
The Italian floppers made me root for France. I’ve never felt so dirty. How could you possibly root for Italy while watching that embarrassing display in Germany?
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
France beat Brasil.
First, that lovely squad we had in 1986 (I cried.) Then in 1998. (I was old enough to get hammered.) And in 2006 (I was in Rio for that one.) Whereas we have always owned Italy in WC finals (1970, 1994.) So, they’re less of a threat. Plus, if France won in 2006, I’d have to begrudgingly accept that Zidane is on the short list of all-time greats. As it happens, he is now on an even shorter list: only player ever to be sent off in a WC final match.
My only potential conflict of interest is if, say, LeBron were to play against Argentina or France. Other than that imaginary conflict, in life, I will always root against those three entities.
"the chevy chase bank deposit!"
by newmaniumreveler on Feb 24, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I had to rec this
because this is my exact same experience. Bron Bron’s ability to draw out hate and disdain just pulled me right on over to him. Whats funny is I didn’t even realize it had happen until Kobe won his championship last year and I was like " At least it wasn’t the Crabiliers. "
This has got to be the greenest post ever on BF.
You can’t say that most fans here aren’t on the same page (at least in regards to James).
by Pryme on Feb 25, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
?
I don’t understand this statement. You seem to be saying that most fans here hate LeBron, which is what I said
by zl on Mar 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's a double negative
It could be rewritten to say: “You can say that most fans here are on the same page.”
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
For all the talk of Kobe and DWade being made “untouchable” by the David Stern, the NBA and its refs, LeBron truly is on a level of his own. Not only is he untouchable, but he’s also given a ridiculous amount of baised calls by the refs – aside from fouls. David Stern had his head so far up his ass when courted by interviewers following the infamous no-call in the ‘06 playoffs that costed the Wizards their season, that he couldn’t even mutter a statement saying the referees were wrong. It makes sense, though, that something so blantantly obvious (like his 4-step travel) shouldn’t need to be pointed out and I think that David Stern could convince his own self that words weren’t necessary because that was the case. It makes me sick to my stomach that the very few times the Wizards played defense against the Cavaliers, they got bailed out by a no-call from the refs. Looking at youtube clips of the travel, the Wizards ACTUALLY played defense. They did their part, and they earned victory by playing on both sides of the floor. But I guess seeing LeBron go to the 2nd round was more important than seeing a team that earned a 2nd round playoff berth go.
Number Change
L-BJ, is changing from 23 to 6 but if he knew anything about respecting the best he would not switch to 6…. Dr.J, Bill Russell anyone?
the last time he announced his jersey change
he asked that no one else take #23 either. It just doesn’t stop with this guy.
Woj KILLED him today for the change
Just destroyed him. I love Woj.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
this should be a fanshot...
so we can have ANOTHER thread to rip Lebron. This thread was fun!! lol
by SkinsWizStangs on Mar 2, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think all LeBron ripping should be confined to one thread, personally
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
BOO
I think we should rip LeTravel in every thread… Actually, I think we should rip LeTravel in everything… I have an irrational hatred of this guy. Well, maybe not irrational…
Fine, fine
I’ll begin every new comments section with: “use this string to rip LeBron.” Then we’d move on.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Wow, this really was a good old-fashioned ripping
How often is it pointed out among bigger media outlets that LBJ hasn’t won anything? I hope this becomes a trend, to say the least.
He's not changing his number because he respects Michael Jordan
He’s doing it because he believes that he (The Chosen One) is now or will soon become the Greatest Player of All Time. He wants to have a more unique number so that when people choose that number years from now, it’ll be clear that their choice of number is an ode to LBJ, rather than Air Jordan.
too bad #6 is Bill Russell and Julius Erving
in my conspiracy theory world, he’s switching to this number just so he can be the most famous #6 and #23. he’s a prick. i put nothing sleazy nor egotistical past him.
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