Quick thoughts: I like this team, but let's be realistic
by Mike Prada on Feb 21, 2010 9:14 PM EST
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PrintSorry guys. I know I promised final wraps for both of this weekend's games, but real life stuff got a bit more in the way than I expected. I'm also working on a number of articles for this week.
My bottom line is this: we just aren't quite talented enough to win consistently. Were there ways we could have won last night's game? Absolutely. We went too far away from Andray Blatche at times in the fourth quarter, and while I'm not thrilled with Randy Foye's point-guard play, that doesn't mean I want to see Earl Boykins stay in the game the entire fourth quarter when he clearly is not well-equipped to run an offense or guard Jarrett Jack.
But to me, the most symbolic play of the night was Blatche's missed reverse layup with under a minute to play. Why? On a night where Blatche played out of his mind, he still reverted back to being Andray Blatche on the biggest possession of the game. I don't blame Blatche at all for that, not on a night where he demonstrated so much growth in fighting through early foul trouble and staying patient, but if he's your best guy, you won't win many games. That's why it was symbolic.
Don't get me wrong: I love watching this team as a fan. It's refreshing to see a team that fights hard, even if they don't have the kind of talent or smarts. I'd rather watch these guys than the listless bunch we've seen all season. But that doesn't mean we're watching a good team. I absolutely want these guys to believe they can make the playoffs, but it's not something I expect will happen.
Instead, let's appreciate the small victories. Appreciate Josh Howard being aggressive (as opposed to Mr. Pump Fake), even if he made some silly plays defensively. Appreciate James Singleton giving everything he has on every possession, even if he's neither big enough to guard power forwards or quick enough to guard small forwards. Appreciate JaVale McGee running the floor like he should, even if he still doesn't quite understand where he's supposed to be offensively. Most importantly, appreciate Blatche responding and kicking butt after facing some early foul trouble, even if he missed that reverse layup.
The rest of the season isn't about wins and losses, folks.
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i hope this team
becomes a young, scrappy, but not-so-talented team in the vein of Houston or the Thunder from a year ago. hopefully ernie will make smart decisions this offseason and strike a balance between keeping the guys we need to keep, getting good guys in the draft, and making smart acquisitions without giving up too much. i’m likin Kyle Lowry, that kid is an up and coming PG
Dray Day
I had a bit of a different read on that play. I was impressed that a Wizards/Bulllets big man was actually on the block, posting up his man, and CALLING for the ball, on the road. When was the last time any Bullets fan saw that? Moses Malone in 1986?
I just love the fact that Dray is maturing before our eyes.
Yes I know This team will lok different next year with all the expiring contracts but Dray WILL be here. We’ve got a young 4 man who is improving every night. Let’s rejoice in that fact.
I hope you also read the second to last sentence too
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Agreed.
It was unfortunate he missed the lay-up, but he played a really good game. I also agree he can not be the top option on a playoff contender but I do think he could be the second option. He has played very well with starter minutes.
Maybe I am getting ahead of myself but… Is he better than Antwan? He doesn’t have quite the range but has been very good from 20 feet this season. He is very good on the block which helps spacing. Much better defender. Jamison is the better rebounder.
All-in-all, I like our team building around Dray. Let him start and he will put up numbers. We need either one superstar or two all-stars to pair with him. We have an all-star in Gilbert. Who else can we nab/draft?
i think it's fun to have 4 who is a more traditional post player
compared to antwan, and who is a better defender. might help in the long run in building a tougher, more defensive-minded team.
but dray is no way, no how better than jamison. antwan’s consistency is one of his top attributes. good teams, bad teams, whatever – he plays his game. for 10 seasons! that is what makes him so good and so valuable. and dray, while improving in this department, has a loooong way to go before he is considered consistent.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
You are probably right
But I would not be surprised to see Blatche put up a better stat line the rest of the season than Antwan.
If not, I like Blatche going forward for the next few seasons – both as a building block and better than Jamison.
yeah i'm definitely intrigued by his play and skill set
and am (very) cautiously optimistic about him. just saying, for all his flaws, antawn is in a different league than blatche.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Ehh
In everything but talent. I think they are very close in terms of talent. If Blatche can use the rest of this season to build his work ethic/professionalism he will be just as good if not better.
In a traditional sense, it's possible
Still, what I think Antawn brings to the table – very few turnovers, an ability to score without taking up time on the shot clock, and being able to hit threes and get to the line – is more valuable than Blatche’s more traditional skillset.
Actually, if Dray wanted to make me really love him, he’d start using his quickness to draw more fouls and get to the line. The post moves and jumper are ok, but he’d become a much much more valuable player if he could add another three or four free throw attempts each game.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 22, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
gimme dray RIGHT NOW over jamison
Jamison is an outright joke on D…. 20 and 10 is good for nothing when you cant defend a guy in a wheelchair.
by baltimorebullets80 on Feb 22, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
completely agree
I’ve been dying for us to get a true post player. A guy who STAYS down there ll the time is a necessity for a winning team. I hate to take anything away from Antawn, but I’ve been saying for years that his “20/10” numbers are little misleading. It’s much better to have a guy down there who camps out, and is a factor in almost every play near the basket, offense or defense.
As for the foul shots, I agree he needs more, but I also think he’ll get more just by getting the recognition that comes from being more productive.
meh
We’re saying this right now because Flip’s coaching the team, not Eddie Jordan. When Jordan was here, and guys were healthy, the offense ran like a well-oiled machine; it paired perfectly with Jamison’s unorthodox play. I think with Flip running a different style of offense he requires a more traditional PF. I think this is why some of you guys are liking Blatche more—his numbers have improved, and he’s playing that position in the offense that many have wanted.
My personal feelings are fairly in line with yours too, and I’m really enjoying watching him play. Though I don’t see him camping out down low a lot. He likes to take that jumper, and play around with his dribble if he catches the ball outside still.
by young, loud and Scotty on Feb 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
baby steps
first of all, don’t group me in with these other Nancies. I’ve ALWAYS said I prefer traditional post play. In fact, I’m one of the few people, (if not the ONLY person), who aren’t enamored by this new age of power forwards who spend more time outside than in. Unfortunately, it’s more than obvious the days of Moses Malone and Kevin McHale are long gone. At least they will be once Duncan retires. I mean, pretty soon they’re gonna have to start awarding 3 points for sjots made from INSIDE the paint in order to get guys back down there.
But at least I can take solace in the fact that the Wizards seem to have a viable post player who DOESN’T split his time between the paint and the 3 point line. And yes, you are right – AB does need to expand his arsenal a little down there. Fortunately he has shown he has the footwork to do so. Which is why I said before that I think it would be VERY cool for Flip to enlist his buddy (and former teammate and former boss) Kevin McHale to coach/mentor the big guys.
I’m not attempting to group you with any “nancies.” You all reiterated more or less the same sentiment. I’m not really trying to group anybody with anybody to be honest.
Also, I did say that feelings were pretty much mutual. No need to get testy.
by young, loud and Scotty on Feb 22, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yao Ming??
I think the Wizards might be wise to target Yao Ming. We lost a real NBA Center in
Haywood, and, while I like Mcgee a whole lot, pairing him with someone like Yao would
make the team much stronger….Yao is so big and such a great post player and shooter
I don’t know how you could draft a better center than Yao. When we play tall teams
like Toronto(their whole front line is about 6’10"), we wouldn’t get manhandled so badly.
that would've a good idea
2 or 3 years ago, but I want no part of him these days. I actually think Yao’s playing days are numbered. I believe his injuries are gonna compound and force him to retire early, which is what happens to a lot of Big big guys. Of course, if he DOES become available, it’s because Houston feels the same way.
He's not going to be leaving Houston
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yao? Put a fork in him
cuz he’s done.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
what i don't want to see
blatche at the top of the arc taking 3s. brings back bad memories of chris webber. what a waste.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny - back to the future
everything depends on…. Gilbert Arenas!
watching this new team, while there are many needs, a point guard jumps out as the most glaring need, to me at least.
i know howard may well not be here next year. BUT – hypothetically:
PG – ?
SG – Howard/Young
SF – Thornton/Singleton (or is he more of a PF??)
PF – Blatche/?
C – …/McGee (not ready for him to start full time)
Those are some pretty decent pieces – a good PG would go a long way towards making it an above average line-up. is that Gilbert? should it be? yo no se.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 21, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
nope
What i dont like about Gil is that he doesnt make his teammates better. I dont think hes a winner. He’s always been a ballhog and a chucker even when the wizards were semi-good.
Glibert has never lead this team to 50+ wins.
Its time to give up on the notion that this guy can lead us to the Finals.
Shoot first point gaurds(not named Chauncey Billups who i know someone will mention, but in my mind he doesnt count as a shoot first point because he is very unselfish) dont win in the NBA…thats a FACT. So a shoot first, shoot second point gaurd like Gil really doesnt work.
John Wall would be a blessing, although i wouldnt mind his team mate Demarcus Cousins either.
I was hoping the Wizards would draft one of the talented point gaurds in the draft last year as insurance for Gil. Instead they got two smart yet mediocre players. Look where they are at now. Ernie Grunfeld needs to be canned.
Bla bla bla shoot first qualifier bla bla bla
Look, there are a lot of different kinds of point guards in the NBA. Tony Parker’s career usage rate is 26%. He’s definitely could be considered a “shoot-first point guard.” When Detroit won the title, Billups had the second-highest usage of his career. Isiah Thomas’ career usage is 25.9%, and his highest assist percentage years came early in his career. Hell, Dennis Johnson’s usage was well over 20% in the first six years of the league before he came to Boston and sacrificed shots because he was playing with so many great players. Great players win titles, not certain types of players.
Anyway, you could swing the pendulum the other way: besides Magic, what extreme pass-first point guards have won titles? How many titles has Nash won? Jason Kidd? CP3? Deron Williams? Baron Davis? If we want to go further back, what about Stockton, Payton, KJ, Mark Jackson, Mark Price, etc?
You win championships by putting together the best mix of players and then making up the rules later. There’s your fact.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm not making the case for Gilbert either necessarily
But I am saying it’s quite reasonable and you’re going to have to do better than “shoot-first PGs don’t win, FACT!” argument.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
It happens
btw, I forgot to mention that I completely agree with your point:
You win championships by putting together the best mix of players and then making up the rules later.
i'd been meaning to update that line-up
since i forgot about mike miller – happily start him at the 2.
all that said, my real point is that regardless of who the wiz keep from the current team, they DO have some interesting pieces and flexibility. but, it is ultimately going to hinge on who they get to run the point. like always.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Feb 22, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
you are dead wrong
the rest of the season is actually about losses. And the more the merrier.
by John Park Williams on Feb 21, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions
I would rather...
Lose 50 games a year with a young roster and Blatche and McGee (and hopefully Young) playing real minutes than 50 losses a year with Jamison and Butler getting 36-40 mins a game.
Also, what does Boykins bring to this team now? Why is he taking minutes away from Foye especially in crunch time?
you forgot Singleton
I really like watching that guy. His energy is exciting, and it’s obvious that he is a pretty selfless gy who just wants to play ball, which is evident in the fact that he came here as a SF, but gets a good bulk of his playing time at center.
Boykins is still great as a change of pace....
but it is simply bad coaching to rely on him to run the team in crunch time.
Some folks said that it would have made sense to pit Nick Young’s length against Jarret Jack at the end of he Raptor game, and I tend to agree with that. While wins and losses hardly matter at this point (and, yes, more losses bring moreping pong balls), it is never fun to blow a decent lead with so little time left in the game, and your opponent’s best player is not even in uniform.
I dunno...
I’m torn on this. Foye just doesn’t have PG instincts. He’s OK in a pinch, but the offense seems to me to run more smoothly with Earl in there. I always get the sense (although I could certainly be wrong) that Randy wants his when he’s in there.
That’s not to say that I think Earl’s the answer. He should be a 15 min/game backup. In reality, we don’t have a good option at the 1 right now. We had a guy, but he’s indisposed for the rest of the season…
Blatche's missed lay up...
..would have been tipped in by McGee if he were in the game.
Foye, Howard, Miller, Blatche, McGee would make the playoffs next year. That counts as a good team.
The question is where do they upgrade — center or PG? It depends on how McGee develops.
Both
they need a legit point guard. Foye is more of a combo, and he struggles when pressed. I don’t think he’s a great ballhandler at the point. I’d rather have a pass first guy to run with these horses we’ve got. And, whether McGee makes stride or not, we still need another center. Especially if Blatche is gonna be our permanent 4.
I Disagree Prada
Saturday’s game was the first time this new Wizards team let me down, and even then it was after working their way to a 9 point lead with under 5 minutes to go in the game. To do this on the road against a good team coming off a back-to-back impresses me. To play this well despite not knowing the tendencies of their teammate or the intricacies of the offense is simply amazing to me. They’ve proven enough to me already that I think they are a legitimate team with playoff talent already, before they even sign a free agent or draft a lottery pick. They probably won’t make the playoffs this season, but if they continue to improve (which they should as they learn their teammates and their plays), they have a real shot to play over .600 ball the rest of the season. That makes them a really good team, IMO.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Toronto was playing without Bosh
Making them way more ordinary. We’ll see, but I’m going with the “small sample size” point for now. It’s only been three games.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
There is No Larger Sample Size to Compare This Team To
So why assume we are dealing with a bunch of untalented nobodies? Because Michael Wilbon said so? Our starting five of McGee, Blatche, Howard, Miller, and Foye are loaded with talent. Their knocks have been that they haven’t been very consistent (except for Miller). But most of them also haven’t gotten major minutes before. Why should we assume that they are going to suck before we even watch them play a really bad game?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Scratch That
I obviously meant Blatche and McGee haven’t gotten major minutes before, not most of the starting five. As for Howard, he has so far been outstanding, and I’m still struggling to figure out what went so wrong for him (on the court) in Dallas this season.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I mean ... each individual player has a larger sample size of not being this good
As far as the team, sure, but I find it hard to believe that these players are going to play this well over a larger sample.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I could be wrong of course
And I hope I am, but I need more than three games to assume that this current roster is any good. It’s not because Wilbon said so, it’s because of the track record of many of these players.
No matter what, they are better than the Nets though. God that team is terrible.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
not to mention that there is no scouting on us since it’s such a new team. Plus we beat Minn and Denver after their back-to-back emotional game. Lost to Bosh-less Toronto. Hard to call us a playoff team.
But it sure is fun to watch. Love them for their effort.
I Could Be Wrong Too
But I look at it this way. Al Thornton, Nick Young, JaVale McGee, and even Andray Blatche are all very young and have had very limited minutes up until now. They should be expected to improve with more minutes, consistent minutes, and an encouraging environment. They have all three now. James Singleton barely got off the bench with Dallas this season, so he really didn’t have an opportunity to really show what he could do. Last season, he played in 14.3 MPG, the most of his career, and responded with the best PER of his career with 16.4. Is it unreasonable to think he couldn’t further improve on that with even more minutes?
Josh Howard is a weird case. Despite being an All-Star two seasons ago, I heard nothing but bad things about him before he got here. But in the first interview I saw him in he praised this organization and said how much he wanted to be here, and how he wanted to help this team make the playoffs. He has since had three effective games, and his PER so far has been better than in any season of his since 2006-07. Based on what I’ve seen so far, I have many reasons to be optimistic about his future performance, both the rest of this season and beyond.
So, even when just looking at the players as individuals, I see many logical reasons to be optimistic about this team. But then factor in what you see developing before our eyes on the court. Maximum effort is being combined with actually running the offense. Guys are working the ball around. Guys are getting pumped, and the energy has become contagious. This team looks to be greater than the sum of its parts. All things considered, I prefer to take the results of a very small sample size rather than the sum of the results of the individual players in very different circumstances, and for the most part logging very few minutes per game.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Fool's Gold
Look, it’s great fun to suddenly have an overachieving underdog that plays unselfish basketball to root for, instead of an underachieving group with overinflated egos. But let’s not go crazy. They are playing on emotion and adrenaline right now. For example, I don’t think Andray Blatche has been a 25 point per game player all along and we just didn’t notice it.
Let’s see how they do for the rest of the season before we annoint them playoff-ready and the rebuilding effort already complete before it starts.
Exactly
Simply I doubt the same effort is going to be there once the novelty wears off. I have an unfortunate feeling that ‘Old’ Blatche is going to be around more and more often. There are reasons why he couldn’t consistently get 30+ minutes a game and effort is a big one (Unless he’s like the grinch and his heart grew 3 sizes when we traded Jamison!)
Jamison and Haywood are two reasons why Blatche rarely got 30+ minutes on this team. No matter how well Blatche played there were never that many minutes to distribute.
Also, even before the Jamison trade, my general impression was that Blatche had improved this season playing with more consistency overall. Sure there was a nice stretch of games where he reverted back to old form, but he pulled himself out of that rut weeks ago and has been playing quite well recently.
I’m nowheres near ready to label Blatche a superstar, but he’s a nice player and I expect him to perform at a good level for the rest of the season.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in full agreement with this.
I think we’ve seen slow and steady improvement from Blatche over the years, which is what you want from a young player. I know others would disagree, but if you step back and not focus on game by game variations, he has added skills and maturity each year.
It’s nice to see how Blatche has seized the moment with the departure of Jamison and Butler to be a focal point of the team. His performance almost certainly will dip in coming days and weeks, but that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t displayed a lot of maturity and growth during these last three games. He’s just nowhere near ready to be “the Man,” though it’s promising that he could pretend to be for a couple of games.
I agree also
He was always in the shadow- these skills have always been there, he’s just getting the Minutes and Confidence. 7 Day Dray is the real deal.
by DCPerspective on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think the new wiz's play so far has shown us
that we have good role players who can play hard and be competitive, but we need that one superstar or two stars who can carry us when need be (fourth quarter of raptors game where we couldnt buy a basket) and allow us to match the talent of other teams so our hard work actually pays off.
I'm not booing Stephon Heyer, he's trying hard. I'm booing the fact that Stephon Heyer plays for us.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions
This team will come good soon
at being bad hopefully. This draft coming up is loaded. I want the Wiz in the mix to get the #1 pick and have a shot at Wall, Cousins, or Wesley Johnson.
Why exactly do we want them piddling around playing .500 ball and get stuck with a pick somewhere around 10 or so? Thats only going to lead to another season of .500 ball.
Your Post Doesn't Make Sense
If the draft is loaded, then won’t we get an impact player even if we picked 10th? And if we are in the lottery, we will still have a shot at a top 3 pick. We played for ping pong balls last season, and we got the worst possible outcome. I’d rather play to win. Fortune often favors the bold.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
In American sports
there is no point in playing to win unless you have a chance at winning the whole thing. Otherwise you should play to lose and get the best draft pick possible. There is no penalty for losing. But if you play to win then you risk only hurting your draft position.
Also look at the the top six teams in the league right now. They all have at least one major contributor who was drafted Top 5:
Cleveland: Le Travel and Shaq
Lakers: Pau Gasol
Boston: Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen
Orlando: Dwight Howard
Denver: Kenyon Martin and Carmelo Anthony
Utah: Deron Williams.
So my post makes perfects sense you just don’t like the idea that I am proposing.
But If the Draft is Loaded
Then there is more of a chance a great player can emerge outside of the top 5. More reason to not tank. The Lakers got Pau Gasol by trading away several of their low-1st rounders; they didn’t draft him. Shaq was traded for, he never won a championship for the team that drafted him. Dittos for Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Kenyon Martin. So you haven’t proven that you need to draft a top 5 guy to be elite, only that you possibly need to acquire one. The only teams that you mentioned that still have their top 5 pick are Cleveland, Orlando, Denver, and Utah. Total combined championships = Gilbert’s jersey number.
And you assume that the more games you lose the better your draft position. But Memphis and OKC both won more games than us last season, and still got to pick higher. You can’t compare the NBA to other American sports because only the NBA uses a draft lottery. Which is why NBA teams shouldn’t tank. Even the Nets, with their absolute futility this season, will only have a 25% chance of drafting Wall. Why try to lose for such a small chance? It doesn’t make sense, and I don’t like your idea.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
No draft is that loaded
It is unlikely to find the type of talent the Wizards need around the 10th pick. I want us to acquire a franchise player someone we can build a team around. Thats why I chose top five as the cut off.
If the Wizards suck as hard as we did last year then we get no less than the #5. Last draft all that gaurented us was a euro player that didn’t want to come to America. This year top five has major talent all American that can all contribute right away. This is the year to suck.
In the past 20 years not one team has won a NBA title without a Top 5 pick. 15 of those years the team that won had its originally drafted top five player on the team. So most teams win by drafting top talent. It is much harder to acquire Top 5 talent.
So your proposed method is the minority and far less likely to happen.
My Method?
All I am saying is do not tank. How is that in the minority? How is that less likely to happen? I bet it’s pretty likely that our new team will not tank. Now on to your examples.
The current NBA champions are led by a #13 pick (Kobe Bryant) coupled with a top 5 that they traded low first-rounders for. Hardly a good example for your case. Champions before that were led by a #10 pick (Paul Pierce) before trading their low first-rounders combined with their #5 pick for two top 5 guys. Another poor example.
But let’s say you are right and you have to draft in the top 5 to be elite. Who says that you have to tank to get in the top 5? The Bulls didn’t tank in 2007-08, they had a better record than 8 other teams, and yet the #1 pick fell in their lap. Portland also didn’t tank in 2006-07, being better than 6 other teams, and yet they also got to pick #1. It’s a lottery, every non-playoff team has a chance for a top 3 pick.
But let’s say that we tank and get to draft in the top 5. Guaranteed franchise player right? We should know, we already have one (Mike Miller). Now all we need to do is sign Raymond Felton (#5 in 2005) in free agency this summer to be our point guard, and we’re all set for a championship!
Seriously, tanking in the NBA is dumb. The Clippers, Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Kings, and Bobcats have been consistently terrible over the last several seasons, and yet none of them have found their franchise player (save maybe the Clippers), either because of bad lottery luck, bad drafting, or both. Why be like them and waste a half season for nothing? I’d rather take my chances and play to win.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Totally agree
I was anti tank last year and I’m doubly anti tank this year.
by MR on Feb 22, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
well wouldnt it be nice to have Johnny Flynn, Stephen Curry, or Brandon Jennings right now?good doing ernie.
Curry, yes
Jennings, maybe. Flynn, no.
Ty Lawson? 100 times yes.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Flynn
hasnt played well against us. And Kahn is forcing him to play in the triangle offense instead of running pick and rolls. Im sure he’d be much better if he was doing things hes used to.
But what i meant to say is wouldnt you take those rookies over Miller and Foye? i thought we should have taken a young’an at the time for insurance for gil.
Well that's a different question altogether
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
(Yes)
But I’d have taken Curry or Lawson then and now. Was never high on Flynn.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
wow dude, you ahev got to be joking.
“The only teams that you mentioned that still have their top 5 pick are Cleveland, Orlando, Denver, and Utah. Total combined championships = Gilbert’s jersey number.”
wouldnt you rather be in those team’s poistion though? each of those team’s is loaded with talent and all but one of those teams is legit title contenders. Lebron, Melo, and D-Will are all Franchise players.
Cmon. Read your own posts.
Which of Those Teams Tanked to Become Elite?
I do read my own posts. And what I said above is a true statement. And it was used to refute a point that supported tanking, which your point does not refute. So quit insulting me and stay on the subject.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Orlando also has Vince Carter, Lakers have Odom
Makes Utah all the more amazing.
The Wizards have Mike Miller and Randy Foye, who were TRADED for a 5th pick — does that count?
5 oh
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
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