Antawn Jamison traded to Cavaliers, Wizards get Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Al Thornton, Cavaliers 1st
by Mike Prada on Feb 17, 2010 6:40 PM EST
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Weird scene at Verizon Center earlier tonight. Before Flip Saunders talked to the media, Wizards PR took him aside for a few minutes. He later returned, but that had never happened before.
Maybe it's because the Wizards are closing in on a deal to trade Antawn Jamison to the Cavaliers, according to Michael Lee. Lee reports that Washington's getting at least Zydrunas Ilgauskas and a first-round pick back. He also reports that Drew Gooden is headed to some Western Conference team, which explains why he isn't even in the building right now.
Scroll down for the game thread if you wish. Discuss the trade here. I'm personally relieved that we can now begin the rebuilding process.
UPDATE: Adrian Wojnarowski tweets that the Clippers are the Western Conferece team. I wonder if this means we're getting Sebastian Telfiar/Al Thornton. Hmm...
UPDATE 2: The trade, according to Wojnarowski, is Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland, Drew Gooden to the Clippers and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Al Thornton, Brian Skinner and Cleveland's first-round pick here. Actually, that's not so terrible, even though I'm not a fan of Thornton.
UPDATE 3: BIG NEWS FOLKS! WE ALSO GET THE RIGHTS TO SOME DUDE NAMED EMIL PRELDZIC!!
The Wizards also get the rights to former Cavs pick, Emil Preldzic, a source said.
UPDATE 4: Actually, it's Emir Preldzic, and here's his Draft Express page.
Also, I missed this, but apparently reporters tried chasing Antawn Jamison down. He didn't want to talk, and got in a car with Drew Gooden in the passenger seat. Weird.
UPDATE 5: According to Ric Bucher, Brian Skinner is not in the deal. This means that, if my calculations are correct...
(Wait for it)
(Wait for it)
(Wait for it)
WE'RE UNDER THE LUXURY TAX!!!
UPDATE 6: The trade is official. The Wizards sent out a press release that didn't include Brian Skinner's name in it. First two paragraphs of the release below the jump. Also, Ilgauskas apparently has a trade kicker, so we might not totally be under the tax after all. The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Brian Windhorst talked to Ilgauskas' agent, who said he's going to try to work out a buyout.
WASHINGTON, DC - Washington Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has completed a three-team deal in which they acquired Al Thornton from the Los Angeles Clippers and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, a 2010 first round pick and the rights to Emir Preldzic from the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Wizards sent Antawn Jamison to Cleveland and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles while the Clippers sent Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland to complete the trade.
"Antawn Jamison has been the embodiment of leadership on and off the court for this franchise for five-and-a-half seasons and we thank him for all he has done for the Wizards and the city of Washington," said Grunfeld. "Unfortunately, our on-court results have not met our expectations and we felt it was necessary to make changes to improve our future and our financial flexibility. This trade accomplished both of those objectives."
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Thanks Tawn
I got mad at you a couple times this year even if I got why you were making me mad. At least you know you can come back here and have the PA announcer get your name right. (looking at you Orlando.)
Well if Wash gets a 1st round pick from Cle and cap relief
That’s really something. It’s better than nothing. It doesn’t change anything with Gil, but if the Wiz kept Jamison & Butler things would have likely devolved with Gil around.
This is a good thing for the Wiz if Jamison goes to the Wiz. I don’t know that it would change the perception of the franchise from outside players, but showing class in dealing with Jamison & Butler could help how the Wiz are perceived in time. (Longshot I know.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
now we have another reason to root against the Cavs,
improve our position in the draft! :)
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 17, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure the Wiz faithful have very little reason to like the Cleveland Crabdribblers.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
it would be crazy if Jamison injured Labron in practice since he not familar with playing with him …. wow that would be sweeet lol
You just said that Jamison would injure Bron-Bron.
I read this right? Right?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I wonder if the WCF team is Portland
I think Gooden is a terrific fit there given their needs.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So the 30th+ pick in the draft
So the Wizards are walking out of this mess without one young player. I know the market is what it is, but that’s hard to believe.
FIRE SALE!
And who’s left of our starting 5?
Gilbert Arenas? So ironic. Bloody ironic.
My swag was phenomenal.
?
Lee mentions a 3 team trade including Gooden… How does Gooden get dealt in that scenario given the restrictions on trading him again “with other players”? I guess he would have to be the only player headed to the WC team?
Ah, got it
Woj tweeted. Updating
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Hmmm Thornton.
Not a big fan of him personally. But Wiz fans will find out about him.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
i remember
wanting him to fall to us back during that draft, but now.. not so much.. whats his contract length?
Thornton contract
$1,900,200 09/10
$2,814,196 10/11
$3,914,546 11/12 (qualifying offer)
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Clipps picked up his option for next year.
Be careful what you wish for. I haven’t seen a ton of Nick Young because I don’t watch a ton of Wiz games honestly, but I’ve seen plenty of Clipper games with Thornton. He is not the answer if you ask me. I think the Wiz are doing this deal because it gets them closer to being under the tax. In fact, that’s exactly why they’re doing the deal.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm counting $1.9 million saved total
Jamison and Gooden out: $16.2 million
Z, Thornton and Skinner in: $14.3 million
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You are probably right
I just took a quick look at the Gooden for the Clips part of it using hoopshype numbers.
You're better off using ShamSports
Here’s the link to the Wiz page. (Mike uses this as well.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yep.
I think EG and the Pollins/Leonsis knew that it wasn’t possible to save money and get under the tax unless they did 3 or 4 separate deals to accomplish it. I had a feeling this was the case, when the original Butler/Haywood trade was made and now it’s obvious to all that was the goal from the beginning. There’s just no advantage if you’re EG to announce it head of time. Teams already know what you’re doing, and the fans can figure it out after the fact. But announcing it ahead of time has no advantage to getting deals done.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Let's just hope they are honest
and don’t invest too much into any of these scraps (Thornton, Ross, Singleton). They need to admit that as of now, we have very little to build in and are in the process of finding our rebuilding pieces.
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ernie liked both Thornton and Crittenton
a savvy evaluator of talent!
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Please stop
it hurts more every name you mention!
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 17, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
So what does Thornton do for us? good get?
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
He can score and do absolutely nothing else.
He’s also 26 or 27 now. He’s really old for a 3rd year player in the L.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yikes
He’s 26, all he can do is score (which he does inefficiently), and he’s never had a PER over 13.0.
In other words, he’ll fit in personally.
aannndd.
i officially no longer own a wizards jersey of any player who still puts on a wizards jersey.
by ianflo on Feb 17, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would be o.k. if the Wiz negotiated a buyout with Z
Provided that the Wizards’ medical staff does some work on Z before he is released. ;)
by disgrunted on Feb 17, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Moving Big Z
Any chance Ernie has the foresight to move Ilgauskas to a WC team looking for a playoff center? Sacramento for Kenny Thomas’ expiring contract, Udoka and a future consideration?
-OKC for Etan’s expiring contract and Eric Maynor?
Both of those reduce the payroll even further, and might keep Z from returning to Cleveland, insert nefarious laughter..
Woj says
Cavs get Jamison and Telfair, Clippers get Drew Gooden and Wash gets Illgauskas, Al Thornton and Brian Skinner and Cavs 1st round pick.
in a tweet 2 minutes ago…
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
except that deal doesn't work in the Trade Machine....
so something else is going on….
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Thanks Antawn
Thanks for the great years here. My #4 jersey will hang in a special place.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 17, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions
Thornton
Adding him really concerns me, because it makes me think the front office is still stuck staring at points per game as a metric of ability. Is the front office using ANY advanced metrics? Do they really think he’s going to improve when he’s already 26?
I realize it’s the last year of his deal and it doesn’t matter, but it’s a baffling move. I feel like I’m following the Kansas City Royals suddenly.
No stat guy
I bet Ernie occassionally reads the Hollinger profile
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
We'll read in the paper about how he's the gem of this trade
And then my head will explode. Thornton is an 8th man on a good team.
Talent
Looking at the basketball will drive you mad. Just look at the bottom line. What he does on the court is an afterthought.
The Wiz better be honest about the fact that we don't have our rebuilding pieces yet
Ross, Thornton, Singleton. Nuh-uh
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
28, 28 and 26
Their respective ages. Incredible.
Of course
But again, the frustration has more to do with what it says about who the front office is targeting.
Al Thornton? Really? Why not just buy out Gooden and save money that way? What’s the point?
How much would buying him out have saved?
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, a couple of hundred thousand?
Whatever the discount we got on the remaining salary. But now we’re paying Thornton $2.8 million next year.
I realize a) we have to pay someone in 10/11 and b) the goal is to cut money this year, but I don’t like it.
I'm not too concerned about that
Adding 2011 salary isn’t so bad with me because I don’t want us splurging in 2010.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Amen to that
It makes no sense for us to go all out in the 2010 free agency bonanza. We need to be much more patient and draft-centric, and rebuild slowly.
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Given that
Seems like a no brainer that they’ll try to ink Foye to the qualifying offer.
Is Foye a guy you'd want for the next 5 years on the Wiz?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Depends on the dollars
But for next season, if they aren’t clearing cap room for it, it probably makes sense to bring him back on the one year qualifying offer at just under $5 million. Won’t put them in the tax and he can play a bit.
Might be the kind of guy who plays well with Wall too.
It never hurts a team to put it’s best talent on the floor together. Or, rarely it does anyway. If Foye is one of the best players remaining on the Wiz, it doesn’t make sense to let him walk for little.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'd bring him back for the qualifying and hope to move him at the trade deadline.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's easier said than done BAB.
Foye would be BYC next year and could refuse any deal to another team. Any deal to another team would see him lose his Bird Rights. (Which probably wouldn’t matter.)
But my point is that trading players in that particular situation would be pretty difficult.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah, trading Foye next year is basically impossible
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
good point guys
I was a big Foye guy before the season but I wouldn’t sign him to any long term deal that averages more the 3M a year.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
This deal is better than the one discussed yesterday
Thornton>Moon
Moving Gooden>Moving Mike James
It’s actually a deal I don’t hate. I still hope we’re able to move Miller, James, and/or Z
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Does Ernie have a beard fetish?
First he trades Stevenson for Gooden, then Gooden for Skinner. Does Ernie insist that there be at least one player on the team at all times with a strange beard, or at least the proclivity to have a strange beard?
You are one sick dude, Ernie. Ick.
by disgrunted on Feb 17, 2010 7:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can you believe this?
This is like having an everlasting Worst Nightmare. Going into this season, who thought that Antawn Jamison would be a Cav, and we’d have a starting line up of Randy Foye, Nick Young, Mike Miller, Andray Blatche, and Javale McGee on February 17. This season is hell. The longtime owner Abe Pollin dies, the franchise player is now a convicted felon, 17-33 through 30 games(when we expected to win 50), Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood on a championship caliber team, and now your heart and soul Antawn Jamison suiting up for your once-hated rivals and teaming up with Lebron James.
Where do we go from here?
I really hope we don’t go out and overpay some second/third tier free agents in order to pretend like we are fielding a competitive team. Let’s wait until after we find someone in the draft to start serious efforts to build through free agency.
From Woj
“The Wizards also get the rights to former Cavs pick, Emil Preldzic, a source said.”
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions
Looks like he can't hit a 3
to save his life. But, hey it’s a young guy! A young, bottom of the second round guy!
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Be fun to see him at Summer League
Hey they got Veremeenko to come out
by morethesamewiz on Feb 17, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ernie
Stop looking for yourself as a young buck out of Tennessee. He’s swung wildly and missed on a Ukrainian stretch 4, and a Ukrainian tweener forward. Now he has himself a 6’9 Slovenian Point-Forward with an underwhelming first step, and questionable range.
Who the hell is Emil Preldizic?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Someday you will feel foolish for having asked such a question.
by disgrunted on Feb 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes someday.
Now I know who he is, but I think the Cavs didn’t want his rights on their books. I wouldn’t be surprised if EG decides to renounce his rights this summer. Then again, 2nd round picks have no cap holds either. So maybe not.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Our long local nightmare is over?
I know the rebuilding process looks pretty dire right now and that we have no idea what the plan is or how this is going forward. But now is the time to begin again.
Lets have Leonsis buy the team. Lets have a new more visionary general manager. Lets have a little luck in the lottery. And lets start on the the road to a championship.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 17, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Emil Preldzic!
Why, I heard he could be the next Sergei Karaulov!
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Feb 17, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions
Great Trade!
Mainly because of the pick and of course the cap room that is coming next year. The pick could bring us something great, you never know, or packaged later. Ernie still has room to package some expirings for draft picks! Hello, New York…
If Ernie is here long enough to package anything . . .
I will vomit.
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 17, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
What's on the books for 2010-2011 season?
I’m getting 36 million including Thornton, McGuire, Young, Blatche, McGee, Arenas, Ross, Cav’s draft pick, Wiz 1st and 2nd round draft picks.
If we offer Boykins a max-contract, however, that throws off my calculations considerably.
Is this a done deal??
Did a little research and found the following regarding players involved in this trade..
Players with Trade Restrictions
Brian Skinner from L.A. Clippers
Skinner is a one year bird player which means he must agree to the deal for any trade to happen. Further, if Skinner agrees to be traded, his Bird status will be reset and he will be viewed as a non-bird free agent this summer.
Drew Gooden from Washington
Gooden was recently traded and as a result he cannot be traded until Apr 13, 2010.
Alright, he's done his damage
Warm up the fire Ernie bandwagon and come aboard with me for a ride!
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
great news
now this make sense,getting pick,young talent and hopefully get under the luxury tax
Go Wizards
by ag3ntzero on Feb 17, 2010 7:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gil didn't decimate this team
It was coming anyway.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 17, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
either way
never seen a core imploded like that. Thornton could put up big numbers but he’s a chucker
Make him a 20/game scorer
And trade his _.
The best part of this deal is the inclusion of Preldzic
Not because he is any good, but because of the humor. Can you imagine that the Wiz and Cavs are negotiating a Jamison for Z trade, and suddenly Ernie says, “And we want the rights to Preldzic!”
I can just imagine Danny Ferry lunging for the mute button on his phone so Ernie didn’t hear the Cavs laughing.
by disgrunted on Feb 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
What else are we good for
to that whole damn organization. I am glad I don’t have any cavs fans in my life
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well now the Wiz are under the tax and the rebuilding is under the way.
The only question mark left is Gil. And that’s going to be a nightmare to resolve regardless of the moves made over the last 5 days.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That question will resolve itself when he is sentenced
Jail – Goodbye
Anything else – we are stuck
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
I don't know ledell.
It’s a tricky situation.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Trade Gil to New York
for Eddy Curry.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I don't think New York will go for that.
But they might.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think the best bet would be to keep Arenas
We are NOT going to find somebody with a talent level equal to or greater than his in either the FA market or the draft. Wouldn’t hurt to give him an early shot and then package him off somewhere if he is really not working out.
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 17, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Question.
What do the Wiz do if they were lucky enough to get the first pick and the opportunity to select an impact player (presumably John Wall)?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or even a top 5 pick for that matter.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You honestly think Donnie Walsh does that if he strikes out on the FA market this summer?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Those Knicks fans will be pissed when Walsh says "Ohbytheway, we're getting nobody"
I’m just saying it’s a distinct possibility.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Understood.
If I were the Knicks I would roll the dice on Gil next summer if they are going to do the T-Mac trade. I just wonder will Walsh have the guts to do a trade for Gil after what happened with the Pacers.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
That's true
Hmm…
I guess I just feel like so many teams will have cap room and nothing to show for it. Meanwhile, GIl’s going to be bandied around. Hmm…
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
That's true too. All it ever takes is 1 to get a deal done.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This feels like an Isiah trade proposal
Take the flawed player with the bad contract and call it a “win” because in a vacuum you are getting the better of the on-court product.
Not saying you’re wrong, but not sure Walsh would go for it because of the similarities to the previous era.
Draft Him!!!!!
Although historically, the Wiz have never picked higher than 6 on 3-4 separate occasions in their ENTIRE franchise history. Including our lone #1 pick (repressed memories)
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 17, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
The only #1 pick the Kings have ever had in the Sac era was on Pervis Ellison. I feel ya on this.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
How about screwed over 2 franchises?
Makes better sense to me.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't care about Boston at all.
Actually, FUCK Boston. Yep, that does it. (And yes, I absolutely hate Rajon Rondo. Maybe the most overrated player in all of basketball.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pookey, I'd like a word with you...
(big Rondo fan).
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Understood.
Hate him though. Never will like him.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And the principle reason I hate him is he can't shoot FT's.
The jump shot I can ignore, but he can’t shoot FT’s? He’s a 6’3 guard and he can’t shoot better than 65% from the line? Give me a break.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Here are 10 different PG's FT%'s their rookie season (and their lowest FT%)
PG 1: 69.8% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 67.9 Career FT%: 78%
PG2: 81% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 76% (Twice) Career FT: 84.8%
PG3: 70.4% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 70.2% Career FT%: 75.9%
PG4: 67.3% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 67.3% Career FT%: 74.5%
PG5: 65.5% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: Rookie Year Career FT%: 78.6%
PG6: 75.6% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 73.5% Career FT%: 80.3%
PG7: 78.8% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 76.6% (Derrick Rose)
PG8: 78.2% Rookie Year (This is Tyreke Evans)
PG9: 70.4% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: Rookie Year Career FT%: 79.5%
PG10: 84.7% Rookie Year Lowest FT% in career: 81.8% Career FT%: 85%
PG1: Jason Kidd. PG2: Magic Johnson PG3: Isiah Thomas PG4: Derek Harper PG5: Walt Frazier PG6: Bob Cousy PG7: Derrick Rose PG8: Tyreke Evans PG9: Deron Williams. PG10: Chris Paul
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This I can't agree with. There is nothing overrated about Chris Paul.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't think Rondo is perfect but he is the best player on that team.
And was amazing in the playoffs last year.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's a coincidence that Boston isn't as good without KG.
What I’m saying is that Rondo is a fine complementary talent. A building block of a franchise, in my opinion, he is not.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He's not in the Lebron, D. Wade category
but he’s a legit star.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also Ray Allen really has fallen off for those guys
and their depth sucks so it’s not like KG not being healthy is the only difference between them this year and 2 years ago.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm aware of this too. Rondo has his good points.
I just don’t like him and never will. I’m cool with that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Assuming that you're actually around the Bay....
…do you really like Monta Ellis?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
ehhhhhhh
Ellis is like alot of guys in the NBA in that he needs specific people around him for them to be succesful. He can’t guard. Is the second biggest black hole at the 2 spot in the league and needs alot of babying. He can really score though so I can see him helping teams with the right configuration. I am very much around the bay and am looking out my office window at Alcatraz right now.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You must be in Frisco or Oakland then. Or in Marin County maybe.
Not sure all of what has a direct view of Alcatraz.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
SF
You can see Alcatraz from parts of Oak, SF or Marin. I live and work in SF though.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Lucky you.
Sf is an awesome place, and I wouldn’t mind living there. That said, Seattle is a cheaper version of SF.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm in Nob Hill right now
Woot!
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I love SF
3 years ago I just quit my job in NoVa, filled up a car and drove out here. Portland and Seattle are also both nice though I have spent very little time there. Palace we will have to get up with Manimal Smith some time and drink the sadness away.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Is there such a thing as DC bars?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
in SF?
none that I know of. I watch the Skins at a certain bar with a couple DC natives. Lots of Philly Sports bars unfortunately.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I figure there are a few Boston bars too. And New York bars. Always are.
But, I don’t really get what’s special about a bar in a particular location. Bars all have the same thing in them: Alcohol. What matters is the alcohol they serve and not the theme. What do I know: I’m from a cowtown full of dumb hicks anyway.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Seriously? Wow.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There are a TON of DC bars
… and a ton more SF bars :P
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Also is your Avatar a merging of the Deadhead symbol with the Skins helmet?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Awesome avatar. (Should have said that originally. LOL)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
coolest logo ever
too bad you can’t copyright it
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Ha
I already have friends here in SF I met purely to commiserate over the Redskins. Now this. Not a good time to be a DC sports fan. At least it provides a good excuse to hit the bars.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I met one of my best friends out here watching Skins games randomly
I didn’t realize there was more of us Palace.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well anytime you want some company Palace let me know
I love drinking.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haha awesome
will do
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
you can get my contact info from Prada
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy to meet up some time in SF
for some Bullets whining and drinking (a good combo). I don’t live or work in the city though so my availability is touch and go (I live close to the city though).
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
ditto to you Manimal
if you email Prada you can get my email address.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
How about this...
resign Miller & Boykins, try and pick up another FA swingman (if possible) , the best draft picks we can find (really need to do our research this time!!) and we may have a shot at building an actual competitive team.
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 17, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Funniest part about Emir Preldzic's DX page
His best case scenario? Theodoros Papaloukas.
He has no worst case scenario because he is his worst case scenario.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Feb 17, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I kid you not
Gil is rubbing his hands together going “I’m getting 40 shots a game!.”
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Excellent Trade EG
Let the rebuilding process begin! Bring on Wall !!!!!!!!
this trade seems better
good work on this one ernie.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 17, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, khrabb's right, he might be something
Though I’m honestly not paying as close attention as usual.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Best part of the deal
Blatche will get the keys to the power forward slot. He’ll put up great numbers for his contract.
You are kidding right?
"I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 17, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Will Jamison have to learn how to crab dribble now?
just to fit in with his new teammates?
He's gonna make Jamison stop for ice cream on the way to the airport.
Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.
how do they even know each other?
They don’t even share college roots.
They both are tryin to get the hell out of DC
for starters…
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of getting to know your new teammates
I was watching Clips-Blazers last night, and since the Clippers were in Portland, Camby was already there. He was sitting behind the Blazer bench in street clothes, not talking to anyone, just watching. Kinda awkward.
Basketball is a brotherhood.
Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.
Did you know
That Five Guys has gone on a HUGE expansion run in the last few years? There are something like 100 new ones that have opened – including in Cali
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
In Cali? Where?
It’s funny when people out here say In-N-Out is better. In-N-Out is basically selling an experience.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not near us unfortunately
In LA, Orange County and SD (coronado) so far.
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
In-N-Out is just different
I prefer Five Guys, but In-N-Out is good too. Burgers and Fries are totally different both places and In-N-Out is WAY cheap.
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I like In-N-Out also
I just feel the burgers are better at 5 guys. The secret menu and the In-N-Out mystique is their big selling point IMO. They are still way better than pretty much everyone else though.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Can we turn around and get involved with NYK?
Can we package Z with Miller and James and flip them to NYK for Hill and a first?
NY seems infatuated with McGrady
I have no idea why. We’d make great trade partners.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but that competition
EG didn’t like the way he was run out of town in NY.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
yeah I don't get that at all
I’d take way less than Houston is apparently asking for.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
ahhh
We can still work it out so we can trade him though right it’s just about jumping through hoops right? Like Z for Jeffries and Hill or something? and then the rest for MM?
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
The Wiz are under the tax WITHOUT having to buy out Z right?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If they don't take Skinner back, yes
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Move Z
for somebody, any body, making 9.5 or so. A deal to the Kings for Udoka and Kenny Thomas works.
I prefer trying NY
Go Z for Harrington in one deal, then MM for Jeffries, Hill and a 2012 first in another, assuming the T-Mac deal falls apart.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Grab many assets as you can.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Z straight up for Curry
And their 2012 first rounder. Then trade Josh Howard for Hill and Jeffries. Maybe we can even squeeze Gallinari our of them.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the kindof moves we have to make over the next 2 seasons
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have no problem with Curry and Jeffries
Because they expire next year, and we can flip them for more young players/picks in a year (and get under the luxury tax at that point if we go over)
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I want to have some cap space next year to aid us on trades(a la OKC)
but I’m not trying to make any big waves in FA this summer so keeping those guys on the books next year and trying to trade them doesn’t hurt. If we are way under the cap this summer picking up Howards 10M option might be a good idea if we think we can trade it for teams afraid of the CBA.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Random, off-topic question for Prada or anyone with knowledge
Did the Pacers try to void Artest after the brawl at the Palace? I ask because it is somewhat related to the Gil situation, if team tried to punish him after the league already had suspended him. If no, then I guess it doesn’t really matter, but if they tried and failed, then at least there is some kind of precedent. But I am not even sure the Wiz would have more ground to stand on when if trying to void Gil, than the Pacers would have with the Artest situation.
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions
No, they didn't
They traded him for Peja.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Ok, I couldn't really remember the situation.
I was a little too young to care back then
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
The way I remember the brawl and the legal ramifications
It wasn’t grounds for anything that the Pacers could void even if they had wanted to.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Like I said, I don't really remember the situation.
I was 12
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
So you're 17 now?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
what's the clippers angle on this one?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 17, 2010 8:20 PM EST reply actions
They hate Thornton
and now have enough cap space to make a run at one of the top guys.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Someone tweeted
How funny it would be if Ferry just facilitated the Clips gaining enough space to get Lebron.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They have a good squad to put around him too.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
That is a VERY tempting situation to walk into if you are Lebron
besides the fact that it is the Clippers organization. But with Griffin and Gordon as potential superstars and some good supporting cast, that is an interesting scenario
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
it certainly seems like the best fit basketball wise for all the teams in play for him
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I've been thinking about this
I think this trade really bones Cleveland
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
Yeah
If he leaves, it’s there or Miami. Maybe New York if Bosh comes with him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
And he could say he took the city from Kobe
assuming he is successful.
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Bron is more likely to leave if he wins a title in Cle as opposed to not winning a deal there.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
a title^
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
zero chance lebron plays for sterling
he’s smarter than that. i’ll give him some credit.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 17, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cuts $5.5 million off their cap next year
They can now afford a max free agent.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
And that was always the angle they wanted to play here too.
Gives the Cavs more talent and yet another reason to entice LeBron to stay. (Not that I really thought Bron-Bron was going to leave Cle anyway but….)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
does someone on here know whether Miami can trade both their first round picks this year
even though they traded away their first round pick last year?
I didn’t think so, but Chad Ford is reporting the Heat are using their two first round picks (one via Toronto) to try and lure Amare Stoudamire.
by John Park Williams on Feb 17, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions
Taser not active tonight and someone on the other thread said he hadn't seen him at the game
is he possibly involved in the trade?
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:37 PM EST reply actions
He's not involved in the trade
As far as I know.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I hope not
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you, Washington
Thank you for saving us from Amare Stoudemire.
Thank you for not demanding us to surrender Hickson.
You guys are real friends.
screw you and your team
make sure y’all treat jamison with the utmost respect
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
no he won't and i will laugh at you once lebrick leaves
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
Let’s not get started down this path. Cavs fans, remember your turf. Wizards fans, don’t feed the trolls.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Lol thanks Prada.
We are the bigger men at Bullets Forever!
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
waveocean you lucky prada intervened
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Or what?
Come on now, this is the Internet. You couldn’t have done anything to him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
hahahahahaha
I was thinking the same thing Prada
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to say something. But, I chose to keep my mouth shut for the good of all (and mostly the right to keep commenting here).
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
he was going down a path that would only lead him to severe embarassment by witty wizards fans
that’s why he is lucky you stopped the madness
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
What did we say about feeding the trolls?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
i was just explaining my earlier statement that you questioned
i’m not feeding the trolls. i find it funny though that you refer to them as trolls.
by Area 51 Forever on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Go away
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wizards broadcast is saying yes to Skinner
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
blow it up
I’ve been wanting us to blow up the team for a while, but I’m surprised at how few good basketball players we got in return for caron, antawn, etc. But we are beating down the wolves right now. Somebody get me a James Singleton jersey!
Now Salmons to the Bucks for expirings
What are the Bucks thinking?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Are you serious?
What is John Hammond thinking.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pookey
If you and I were GMs, I think we could perform better than some of these guys.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I doubt that Aykis. With all due respect, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do about running a team. It's rarely as simple as fans think it is.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
However I suppose I should say I don't know nearly as much as I think sometimes I give people the impression of either.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah I was impressed when you disagreed with the guy, to be honest.
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Aykis is my boy. If I can't tell him the truth, then who can I? Besides, he already knew where my opinion likely stood. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I say we learn some Russian pookey
and somehow talk to Prokhorov and get the Nets GM job. That’d be a nice gig in the next few years.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I'm pretty sure he speaks English. Even then, I don't think I'll be able to learn Russian ever.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Haha yeah. Not to say you couldn't outdo Ernie though
Dear Mr. Grunfeld,
I apologize, on behalf of all Wizards fans, for whatever it is we did to you.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
My ego says of course.
Reality says that I would have to be good at putting together a new roster and an excellent judge of talent. Also, I would have to have the blessings of the Pollin family and Ted Leonsis.
Would I like to be the GM for any team? Yes I would. I’m just not sure if I’m good enough of a politician to do the job to satisfy the owners need to sell the team to John Q Public.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Plus you're not much of a people person.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
You would probably be the one to bring guns into the locker room
to tell the players that they are now expiring contracts.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Shows you how much you know about me. I've never shot a gun in my life. Nor do I have a desire to be able to shoot one.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I should have guessed you preferred knives and teeth
Just like your avatar. More personal
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I know you'll be disappointed with this.
But decapitating any thing (living or imaginary) is not in my preferred skill set.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Did not mean to offend Comrade.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I know. If I have a problem with you, I'll contact you privately.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
How could you tell? Was it that obvious? < / sarcasm >
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It was mostly sarcasm as you well know
If it were that easy to become a GM, we’d be able to guess what these guys are thinking all the time.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Well yes I can see that too Aykis.
Forgive me for thinking that you could run a NBA team better than some guys in the NBA. You might be able to do that. But, that’s because I know how thoughtful you are about how a team is put together. You do understand that it doesn’t necessarily work as simple as some like to believe.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Salary cap space burns a hole in their pocket
and they wonder why they always suck.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Unless it's for Charlie Bell.
I can understand that actually. Eliminates some long term salary. So if that’s the case I can see why Milwaukee would do that honestly.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They're not getting 2010 room anyway
So might as well get a guy who can help their playoff run now and won’t kill their cap. I figured they’d do that with Troy Murphy though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm hoping the Kings make a run at Murphy.
He can really help us for the next year & half. I think Donte/Noc & K9 for Murphy/Dahntay Jones would seal the deal for Indy.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
(Aykis don't go nuts again.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I won't
Because it aint happening. I’ll bet you an StR shirt that I know that much.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Not with the current StR shirt. And you pay for shipping. It also has to be the re-design you come up with. Not the current edition.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
For sure.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
To be clear
The bet is that the Kings do not trade for Murphy just to get rid of Beno’s contract by also including Greene right?
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I think they would rather move Noc at this point.
Beno is a player in the rotation and than they would have to replace him with someone else. Nobody else is guaranteed to fit as well with Reke as Beno does right now.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ok same thing then
This bet doesn’t count if Kings trade for Murphy simply for K-9, only if they combine a bad contract with a good young piece.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Agreed.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also I think Diener would have to be included to make the salary work.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Doesn't matter
Not gonna happen.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Can we still move Mike James?
Maybe package him with Z ? Or in a package w/ Ross to a contender that needs a veteran 1 and a defensive minded 2 who provide some bench exp?
I knew Manute Bol, and you sir are no Manute Bol!
Ross can only be traded by himself
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yeah but you could structure a 2 player for each team deal and just do it as 1 player for 1 player Mike.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
yes
I have been waiting for this also. I found the old team to be unwatchable. They didn’t work well together anymore. Sad. We still have talent. Lets see how they retool. As a life long bullets/wizards fan, it feel good to be able to pay attention to them again.
Yep
I’m much more excited to watch these players than the ones starting for us two weeks ago.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy with this
Don’t know jack about Thornton yet, but he’s a prospect. We got a pick, a prospect, and #caproom. Much better than I’d feared…
Here's all you need to know about Thornton.
Catch the ball. Shoot the ball. Repeat.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Travis Outlaw is a more versatile version of Thornton. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. You decide.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not a good thing for Thornton.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
If he's not even as good as Travis Outlaw.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Plus dude's old. 27 already.
Kings fans wanted him over Hawes? Really? Spence is only 21 still and already better than Thornton.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
I'm not going to rehash who I wanted.
It’s not important. (Mainly because I was wrong.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I don't understand the mystical love for Outlaw. I really don't. And never will.
And the Clippers had a worse deadline than the Wizards did. Imagine that. At least the Pollin family and Ted Leonsis care about the Wizards. I’m not sure Donald Sterling is even capable of caring period.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being.
He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
by Aykis16 on Feb 17, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is going on my sig for awhile Che Squirlvera.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And it's done.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
'm not sure Donald Sterling is a human being. He had to have been manufactured by someone, possibly David Stern, so that one team could solely just make profit for the NBA while doing nothing good for themselves. -- Aykis 16
You're missing an I
BTW check out the new Kings news on StR. Rockets tried to recruit Kings in T-Mac deal.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
And it would have gotten rid of Beno and Noc.
Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order and Originator of the "Brock Ness Monster".
Assets, assets, assets as a wise individual I know who is always saying to me when I'm mad.
I offer the same advice. Although, that also includes having faith in your GM which more Kings have right now than Wiz fans do I would imagine. (Although, my opinion is that EG did the right things for his job, and the team for the future.)
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's funny to see the Cavs fans reactions over on their board
“Jamison is going to ruin our chemistry”, “How could they lose Ilgauskas?” blah blah blah. I hope Antawn destroys their chemistry something awful.
I am now less angry
At least we are not stuck with Jamison’s contract after moving Butler and Haywood for 20 cents on the dollar.
Getting a pick and salary cap relief isn’t too bad really. I don’t quite understand the move for Thornton unless it was done solely to get us under the cap for this year. He is pretty terrible but he is young enough and cheap enough that I don’t really have a problem with him being someone we use to fill out our roster with the hope that we stand pat this offseason and use our cap room to fleece teams out of prospects Eric Maynor-style.
agree with everything you said
From now on I want us to be very discriminating shoppers in FA and try and use our cap space to accumulate picks unless we can sign someone for an absolute steal.
by BayAreaBullet on Feb 17, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
me too -- less angry
we dumped salary— and got cap relief.
I’ll be even happy if the Wizards decide to keep Arenas, and build a team around him (again).
I am still puzzled as to why the Cavs wanted Jamison
But this is pretty much a clean slate. I like it. Now how long are we going to suck?
Most important question raised by this trade:
What do we do about rooting for Cleveland now? It just feels wrong to want them to win, but I think Antawn deserves it.
Very torn about this.
Agreed
I honestly think in the next day or two that question deserves its own thread + poll.
Let Cleveland fans worry about rooting for Jamison (there are lots more of them than us)
I’ll be hoping that they lose horribly every night. Jamison is permitted to do well as long as it doesn’t result in them winning. Remember that we get their pick, so every loss helps our cause.
That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing
Where did you hear that?
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Twan
You were my fav player. Even though he’s playing 4 the cavs…i hope he gets his championship…
Oh My
Major faux pas!! You can in no way hope that the Cleveland Cavaliers win a championship, this is a Wizards blog remember!! lol
by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I, admittedly, have never been a huge fan of AJ's game
But I always appreciated his character and desire. As much as it will hurt to see bron bron get a ring, I hope AJ finally gets his. Good luck to ya man.
I would settle for Lebron going to NY next season
and THEN the Cav’s win a title. I just can not say I want Lebron to win a title. Under any circumstance
Let it snow ping-pong balls, from the heavens.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions
Oooh., now that Dampier is injured, can we trade Ilgauskas to Dallas?
I admit that I know nothing about Dallas’s salary cap and would be happy with just a buyout.
theBIGC1982
Actually if we can trade him FOR damp
that would be good – Damp has one of those great team option contracts that are like uber expiring contracts (because they can be used in off season trades and then cut)
by Manimal Smith on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
How about for Beaubois?
jk
Let it snow ping-pong balls, from the heavens.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
How dare you think that Beaubois might be available
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Idk the fact that I have watched most of the Mavs game tonight
and most of last night’s game, yet haven’t seen him play one minute. I guess different people have different definitions of untouchable
Let it snow ping-pong balls, from the heavens.
by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Mavs winning handily now..
brendon is a big difference maker… he’s getting rebounds…blocking or altering shots…getting a dunk or two when Dirk is doubled. i mean they really look good.
Yeah I was joking
The idea that he is untouchable seems a little farfetched
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be happy with either of those
I’d be unhappy with Il taking time from other players. If we need another big, can’t we sign someone from that mysterious place known as the D League?
theBIGC1982
by thebigc1982 on Feb 17, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
This was a good deal for the Wizzies....
Under the cap. Money to spend next year. A likely high draft pick plus a late first rounder and and early second rounder. A hungry Josh Howard. An assortment of decent back-ups to test out this year. A chance for JVM to show his stuff a bit more.
And maybe the real seven-day Dray at last.
Thanks Captain Antawn. Now, go win a championship and get Cleveland off the schneid. You are a good one!
by khrabb on Feb 18, 2010 7:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am a big Singleton fan
He’s a great fit on a young rebuilding team.
He will make our young guys up their effort.
A tiny ray of light in this otherwise terrible series of moves.
so are the wiz done dealing
since the wiz have a bunch of cap space for next year and likely wont sign anyone big, couldnt the team trade some of its expiring contracts for a contract that expires after next year and pick up some picks
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